[Spambayes] RE: SpamBayes Digest, Vol 60, Issue 20
David Jackson
help at maitlandcp.com
Sun Aug 10 01:21:50 EDT 2003
What is this new, experimental timer? I am not seeing this in .006
version.
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Today's Topics:
1. We have a great catcher, now we need a good relief pitcher! (pv)
2. RE: We have a great catcher, now we need a good relief
pitcher! (David LeBlanc)
3. Re: Feature Request (Skip Montanaro)
4. RE: We have a great catcher, now we need a good relief
pitcher! (Tim Peters)
5. does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ? (David Jackson)
6. Re: We have a great catcher, now we need a good relief
pitcher! (Richie Hindle)
7. RE: does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
(Peter B. Harrison, MD)
8. RE: does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ? (Mark Hammond)
9. no folderchoices (Kurt Reuss)
10. RE: Troubleshoot question re: Outlook Plug-In... (Mark Hammond)
11. RE: no folderchoices (Mark Hammond)
12. ComputerWorld SpamBayes articles (Mark Hammond)
13. Discard by default (io219 at comcast.net)
14. Re: Discard by default (Bill Yerazunis)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:07:00 -0700
From: "pv" <pvsurfer at cox.net>
Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher, now we need a good
relief pitcher!
To: <SpamBayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <000501c35e98$a5a74a70$6500a8c0 at AWexpress>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
SpamBayes Outlook plugin v0.7 does a great job catching spam, but
unfortunately it doesn't reduce the onslaught of spam!
Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:28:25 -0700
From: "David LeBlanc" <whisper at oz.net>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher, now we need a good
relief pitcher!
To: "pv" <pvsurfer at cox.net>, <SpamBayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEIEJGMHAA.whisper at oz.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Bouncing spam identifies your email address as valid and attracts more
flies...err.. spam :)
David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA
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> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of pv
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:07
> To: SpamBayes at python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher,now we need a good relief
> pitcher!
>
>
> SpamBayes Outlook plugin v0.7 does a great job catching spam, but
> unfortunately it doesn't reduce the onslaught of spam!
>
> Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:41:28 -0500
From: Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Feature Request
To: "Jamie Richard Wilson" <jwilson at cybernetek.com>
Cc: spambayes at python.org
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Jamie> Great work on SpamBayes!
Good to hear.
Jamie> Also, how do I submit a feature request for the Outlook add-in?
If you visit the SpamBayes project page
http://sourceforge.net/projects/spambayes
and click the "RFE" link just below the project title header, you should be
able to submit your feature request.
Skip
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:01:23 -0400
From: "Tim Peters" <tim.one at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher, now we need a good
relief pitcher!
To: "pv" <pvsurfer at cox.net>
Cc: SpamBayes at python.org
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEDKFCAB.tim.one at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
[pv]
> ...
> Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?
Yes: no such gimmick could be helpful. Most spam forges a bogus sender
address, so besides increasing spam-related junk traffic, most bounces will
end up bouncing right back to you (due to a bad address), or end up in an
innocent victim's mailbox. Solves nothing, creates more problems.
not-that-in-god's-eyes-any-of-us-are-innocent<wink>-ly y'rs - tim
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:04:11 -0400
From: "David Jackson" <help at maitlandcp.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <CPEOIFJPPLFEFJHEALLJEEIACDAA.help at maitlandcp.com>
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I subscribe to a number of technical email lists and use the Rules Wizard"
in Outlook to put the emails automatically into separate folders. I am also
using "Junk Senders" rules.
How can I get the Rules Wizard and SpamBayes to play nice? Should I have
Spam Bayes monitor a non-Inbox folder and have everything that does not fit
previous rules, move it to that folder?
I guess my questions are
1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?
This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.
Thanks
David Jackson
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:24:51 +0100
From: Richie Hindle <richie at entrian.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] We have a great catcher, now we need a good
relief pitcher!
To: spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <cdlajv43lfl09gequeh4n80lpru9hp7kdl at 4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
[pv]
> Have you given any thought to developing/implementing an effective
> 'bounce-spam' feature to discourage some spammers?
[Tim]
> bounces will end up [...] in an innocent victim's mailbox.
Tell me about it - I'm getting about fifteen hundred of these per day at
the moment, and have been for several months. (It's not because of my
involvement with Spambayes, 'cos they're going to an old address.)
I'm not using Spambayes to filter them, partly because they're easy to
filter without it, partly because I don't want to encourage Spambayes to
treat genuine bounces as spam (pure paranoia - I have no evidence that it
would) and partly because I do look at any that aren't obviously
machine-generated, just in case they're from someone threatening legal
action or something.
The sooner the entire world adopts Spambayes and makes spam a thing of the
past, the better.
--
Richie Hindle
richie at entrian.com
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:06:14 -0700
From: "Peter B. Harrison, MD" <pbharrison at compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard
?
To: "Spambayes" <spambayes at python.org>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
BS (before SpamBayes) I used outlook's filter rules, and after, with no
action on my part, they work basically the same, except that spambayes had
taken most of the spam out. There are a few "spams" that I want to go to
the outlook junk mail, rather than spam, and that still works find. AS I
added a new rule for the spambayes mailing list, which also works.
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From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of David Jackson
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:04 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard ?
I subscribe to a number of technical email lists and use the Rules Wizard"
in Outlook to put the emails automatically into separate folders. I am also
using "Junk Senders" rules.
How can I get the Rules Wizard and SpamBayes to play nice? Should I have
Spam Bayes monitor a non-Inbox folder and have everything that does not fit
previous rules, move it to that folder?
I guess my questions are
1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?
This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.
Thanks
David Jackson
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:36:51 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond at skippinet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] does SpamBayes work with Outlook Rules Wizard
?
To: <help at maitlandcp.com>, <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <018f01c35ec6$bbc4d380$f502a8c0 at eden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> I guess my questions are
> 1) Can Rules Wizard and SpamBayes play nice together?
> 2) If yes, what is the best way to set them up?
>
> This is fairly complicated to explain the rules and their order.
They work the best if yoyu enable the new, experimental timer. This
introduces a delay before spam is filtered, giving the builtin rules time to
process.
Mark.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:36:16 -0400
From: "Kurt Reuss" <kurt at contractor.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] no folderchoices
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <NFENJGECLIMPDLLJHIPAMEKCDPAA.kurt at contractor.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
After clicking 'browse' within the TRAINING section I don't have any choices
available. I have many subfolders to Inbox including the new SPAM and POSS
SPAM boxes; What might be causing the problem?
Kurt Reuss
President
Contractor.com
240 s broadway, suite 207
denver, CO 80209
kurt at contractor.com
p: 416.972.9174
f: (419) 844-0062
visit us at: www.contractor.com
"Bringing homeowners and contractors together"
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:40:29 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond at skippinet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Troubleshoot question re: Outlook Plug-In...
To: "'Brian Primack'" <brianprimack at hotmail.com>,
<SpamBayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <019001c35ec7$3d749820$f502a8c0 at eden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Here's my ISSUES:
>
> 1) The Outlook Plug-in has never been able to
> auto-detect and move spam
> from my "Hotmail" Inbox to the Spam box.
>
> 2) Spam column percentages only display in my "Personal
> Folders" Spam
> box;
>
> a. Percentages do not display in Spam column for other boxes.
Please upgrade to version 007 of the plugin. This fixes a bug when
processing Hotmail mail. Note that your hotmail items will still be unable
to save the Spam score, and hence it will not show in the 'Spam' column -
but it should still be able to filter these messages, and show you the spam
score via the "Show Spam Clues" feature.
Mark.
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:42:54 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond at skippinet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] no folderchoices
To: "'Kurt Reuss'" <kurt at contractor.com>, <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <019601c35ec7$92e9e210$f502a8c0 at eden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> After clicking 'browse' within the TRAINING section I don't
> have any choices
> available. I have many subfolders to Inbox including the new
> SPAM and POSS
> SPAM boxes; What might be causing the problem?
Could you please follow the "troubleshooting guide", and attach a log to a
bug. The log is critical, as it tells us what went wrong.
Thanks,
Mark.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:21:36 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond at skippinet.com.au>
Subject: [Spambayes] ComputerWorld SpamBayes articles
To: <spambayes at python.org>, <spambayes-dev at python.org>
Message-ID: <01f001c35ecc$fb5cad00$f502a8c0 at eden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks Larry! I hadn't seen it. I hope you don't mind me forwarding
this...
Mark.
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Fresinski
Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2003 9:30 PM
To: Mark Hammond
Subject: RE: [Spambayes-announce] ANNOUNCE: Version 007 of the Outlook
pluginavailable, and donations scheme up and running
Mark,
If you haven't seen it yet, I've told ComputerWorld about SPAMbayes work.
It's in there Aug. 4 edition and online here...
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/groupware/story/0,10801
,83689,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/groupware/story/0,10801
,83684,00.html
-Larry
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:03:48 -0500
From: io219 at comcast.net
Subject: [Spambayes] Discard by default
To: spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <1221222779.20030809190348 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Can I easily make the web interface radio box default to 'Discard' for HAM
instead of 'Ham'. I want to do this so I don't have to go through every HAM
message and look for possible SPAM to reclassify, and so I don't have to
click Discard for all of them because I don't want my database to have what
would end up being a 1:100 ratio between trained spam to ham...
I don't know that half-html half-pymeld code very well at all and cannot
even
find some generic strings I see on the web GUI in the Python source.
Where can I do this easily/simply in the code?
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:24:33 -0400
From: Bill Yerazunis <wsy at merl.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Discard by default
To: io219 at comcast.net
Cc: spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <200308100024.h7A0OX611624 at localhost.localdomain>
From: io219 at comcast.net
Can I easily make the web interface radio box default to 'Discard' for
HAM
instead of 'Ham'. I want to do this so I don't have to go through every
HAM
message and look for possible SPAM to reclassify, and so I don't have to
click Discard for all of them because I don't want my database to have
what
would end up being a 1:100 ratio between trained spam to ham...
I don't know that half-html half-pymeld code very well at all and
cannot even find some generic strings I see on the web GUI in the
Python source.
The fact that /ham/ matches the string /spam/ is why I don't use
the term "ham" in my stuff.
It's either 'spam' or 'good'.
-Bill Yerazunis
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