From smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca  Sun May  1 18:48:39 2005
From: smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca (M.N.A.Smadi)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 12:48:39 -0400
Subject: [Shtoom] playout delay
In-Reply-To: <4430c2af9c0dd5bd063adc7d3ad6c073@zooko.com>
References: <42266F64.9030207@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca>
	<4430c2af9c0dd5bd063adc7d3ad6c073@zooko.com>
Message-ID: <42750867.4040406@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca>

Hi;
Sorry for the late reply.  But it is a playout delay not a microphone 
readin delay.  That is when I speak thru the other phones to shtoom, 
shtoom plays a delay version of the voice.  Any clue on how that can be 
fixed.


thanks
smadi

Zooko O'Whielacronx wrote:

>> i have several sip clients (HW and SW) on my network), there is a 
>> noticeable playout delay in shtoom, anybody know why?
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Are you sure it is audio playout delay and not microphone readin delay?
>
> What platform is Shtoom running on?
>
> --Z
>



From jmartinez4 at avaya.com  Tue May  3 15:37:27 2005
From: jmartinez4 at avaya.com (MartinezPlaza, Joaquin (Chimo))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:37:27 +0200
Subject: [Shtoom] Shtoom download !!
Message-ID: <73E4F3992055E8429385A496BCCC90EC0F7A7CD6@bg0007avexu1.global.avaya.com>

> Hi,
> I would like to download the latest version of shtoom from subversion as explained in the shtoom webpage, but I haven't managed to get a subversion client working or whatever I need to do it.
> Could someone help me and tell me what I should do to download it?
> 
> I installed cadaver in cygwin, and when I try to connect to divmod.org/svn/Shtoom/trunk/shtoom 
> 
> I always get the error :
> 
> $ cadaver http://divmod.org/svn/Shtoom/
> Could not connect to `divmod.org' on port 80:
> Could not connect to server: Connection timed out
> 
> Is this the right way of doing it ??
> 
> Thank you very much !!
> 
> Joaquin 
> 
> 
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From anthony at interlink.com.au  Tue May  3 17:10:08 2005
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 01:10:08 +1000
Subject: [Shtoom] Shtoom download !!
In-Reply-To: <73E4F3992055E8429385A496BCCC90EC0F7A7CD6@bg0007avexu1.global.avaya.com>
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Message-ID: <200505040110.09334.anthony@interlink.com.au>

On Tuesday 03 May 2005 23:37, MartinezPlaza, Joaquin (Chimo) wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I would like to download the latest version of shtoom from subversion as
> > explained in the shtoom webpage, but I haven't managed to get a
> > subversion client working or whatever I need to do it. Could someone help
> > me and tell me what I should do to download it?

You'll need an svn client - grab one from 
http://subversion.tigris.org/project_packages.html

Unless you have a setup that allows you to compile portaudio, you'll probably
want to also grab the shtoom 0.2 installer, and grab fastaudio.pyd and 
libsndfile.dll from that as well. 

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony at interlink.com.au>
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca  Tue May 10 23:03:04 2005
From: smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca (M.N.A.Smadi)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:03:04 -0400
Subject: [Shtoom] terminating a call
Message-ID: <42812188.9040601@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca>

hi;

what is the method used to terminate an active call?

thanks
-ms


From smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca  Tue May 10 23:34:38 2005
From: smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca (M.N.A.Smadi)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:34:38 -0400
Subject: [Shtoom] terminating a call - one more
Message-ID: <428128EE.6090906@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca>

hi;

like that is exactly the difference between dropCall, terminateCall and 
other methods to end a call.  I am doing some NON-SIP interaction with 
another application, upon recieving an event i would Like shtoom to 
terminate that active call (i.e the user is not going to click hang 
up).  What the method require to do that?

i hope this clarification help

=ms


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Sun May 22 13:51:39 2005
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:51:39 +1000
Subject: [Shtoom] audio corruption and twisted required versions
Message-ID: <200505222151.41651.anthony@interlink.com.au>

I've spent a fair bit of time today on hunting down the audio corruption that 
occurred when shtoom refreshed it's registration. There's been a bunch of 
sanity added to the registration refresh, but I was still seeing very strange 
behaviour on some occasions. In frustration, I tried installing Twisted 2.0 
and making shtoom use that, and lo and behold, the problems went away. I'm 
wondering if there wasn't some strange bug with the gtk2reactor in Twisted 
1.3 (I was only able to get failures when using gtk2reactor). 

I'm strongly considering making Twisted 2.0 the minimum required version for 
shtoom, but would welcome comments. 

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony at interlink.com.au>
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From daf at muse.19inch.net  Sun May 22 14:09:51 2005
From: daf at muse.19inch.net (Dafydd Harries)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:09:51 +0100
Subject: [Shtoom] audio corruption and twisted required versions
In-Reply-To: <200505222151.41651.anthony@interlink.com.au>
References: <200505222151.41651.anthony@interlink.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050522120951.GZ32673@muse.19inch.net>

Ar 22/05/2005 am 21:51, ysgrifennodd Anthony Baxter:
> I've spent a fair bit of time today on hunting down the audio corruption that 
> occurred when shtoom refreshed it's registration. There's been a bunch of 
> sanity added to the registration refresh, but I was still seeing very strange 
> behaviour on some occasions. In frustration, I tried installing Twisted 2.0 
> and making shtoom use that, and lo and behold, the problems went away. I'm 
> wondering if there wasn't some strange bug with the gtk2reactor in Twisted 
> 1.3 (I was only able to get failures when using gtk2reactor). 
> 
> I'm strongly considering making Twisted 2.0 the minimum required version for 
> shtoom, but would welcome comments. 

Sadly, neither Ubuntu nor Debian has Twisted 2.0 yet. I've been speaking
with the maintainer about including 2.0 in Ubuntu's Breezy development
branch, which would make it available for the next release in October.
Hoary users would have to stick with snapshots of SVN made before the
2.0 requirement.

It's good news that this problem has a fix, though.

-- 
Dafydd


From prz at mit.edu  Sun May 22 14:42:45 2005
From: prz at mit.edu (Philip Zimmermann)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 05:42:45 -0700
Subject: [Shtoom] audio corruption and twisted required versions
In-Reply-To: <20050522120951.GZ32673@muse.19inch.net>
References: <200505222151.41651.anthony@interlink.com.au>
	<20050522120951.GZ32673@muse.19inch.net>
Message-ID: <5a6276ed3f7b801d868c050aea5b9fcb@mit.edu>

I suggest that two Linux distributions (out of many others) not hold up 
a fix for a shtoom problem.  Any shtoom problem.  The other platforms 
will need all the fixes they can get.  Especially Windows and Mac.


On May 22, 2005, at 5:09 AM, Dafydd Harries wrote:

> Ar 22/05/2005 am 21:51, ysgrifennodd Anthony Baxter:
>> I've spent a fair bit of time today on hunting down the audio 
>> corruption that
>> occurred when shtoom refreshed it's registration. There's been a 
>> bunch of
>> sanity added to the registration refresh, but I was still seeing very 
>> strange
>> behaviour on some occasions. In frustration, I tried installing 
>> Twisted 2.0
>> and making shtoom use that, and lo and behold, the problems went 
>> away. I'm
>> wondering if there wasn't some strange bug with the gtk2reactor in 
>> Twisted
>> 1.3 (I was only able to get failures when using gtk2reactor).
>>
>> I'm strongly considering making Twisted 2.0 the minimum required 
>> version for
>> shtoom, but would welcome comments.
>
> Sadly, neither Ubuntu nor Debian has Twisted 2.0 yet. I've been 
> speaking
> with the maintainer about including 2.0 in Ubuntu's Breezy development
> branch, which would make it available for the next release in October.
> Hoary users would have to stick with snapshots of SVN made before the
> 2.0 requirement.
>
> It's good news that this problem has a fix, though.
>
> -- 
> Dafydd
> _______________________________________________
> Shtoom mailing list
> Shtoom at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/shtoom
>
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From daf at muse.19inch.net  Sun May 22 14:51:31 2005
From: daf at muse.19inch.net (Dafydd Harries)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:51:31 +0100
Subject: [Shtoom] audio corruption and twisted required versions
In-Reply-To: <5a6276ed3f7b801d868c050aea5b9fcb@mit.edu>
References: <200505222151.41651.anthony@interlink.com.au>
	<20050522120951.GZ32673@muse.19inch.net>
	<5a6276ed3f7b801d868c050aea5b9fcb@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20050522125131.GA32673@muse.19inch.net>

Ar 22/05/2005 am 05:42, ysgrifennodd Philip Zimmermann:
> I suggest that two Linux distributions (out of many others) not hold up 
> a fix for a shtoom problem.  Any shtoom problem.  The other platforms 
> will need all the fixes they can get.  Especially Windows and Mac.

Given that Twisted 2.0 is two months old, I expect there are many Linux
distributions which haven't released with it yet, which makes it
difficult for users of those distributions to enjoy Shtoom.

I didn't want to imply "don't depend on 2.0", only to say "this is one
of the disadvantages of depending on 2.0".

-- 
Dafydd


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Sun May 22 16:32:05 2005
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 00:32:05 +1000
Subject: [Shtoom] audio corruption and twisted required versions
In-Reply-To: <20050522120951.GZ32673@muse.19inch.net>
References: <200505222151.41651.anthony@interlink.com.au>
	<20050522120951.GZ32673@muse.19inch.net>
Message-ID: <200505230032.08029.anthony@interlink.com.au>

On Sunday 22 May 2005 22:09, Dafydd Harries wrote:
> Sadly, neither Ubuntu nor Debian has Twisted 2.0 yet. I've been speaking
> with the maintainer about including 2.0 in Ubuntu's Breezy development
> branch, which would make it available for the next release in October.
> Hoary users would have to stick with snapshots of SVN made before the
> 2.0 requirement.

This is a problem, yes. The approach I've taken on my boxes is to install 
twisted 2.0 to a different location and then added it to the PYTHONPATH. 
Particularly with dash's new SIP code landing soon (well, that's the plan,
anyway), older versions of shtoom will rapidly become extremely unsupported.

Note, though, that I'm not planning to make changes to stop shtoom working
with 1.3, just that I'm planning to recommend it. I've changed the setup.py
to now bitch if < 2.0 is installed, but this can be easily subverted by 
commenting out that check to cut a release that's based on 1.3.

> It's good news that this problem has a fix, though.

I _think_ it's a fix. I was able to get the problem to happen with 1.3, but in 
the process of trying to diagnose it further kept tripping over other 1.3 
related issues that seemed to be because of 1.3's gtk2reactor being buggy. 
I've been unable to get it to happen again under 2.0, even with the register 
refresh turned down to 20s.

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony at interlink.com.au>
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.