Hi Travis said the svn location of numpy is http://svn.scipy.org/svn/numpy/trunk numpy but the numpy/README.txt says " The current version is always available from a Subversion repostiory: http://svn.numpy.org/svn/numpy_core/trunk" What's the right way? cheers, steve -- "People like Blood Sausage too. People are Morons!" -- Phil Connors, Groundhog Day