From lance23runner at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  8 09:09:24 2007
From: lance23runner at yahoo.com (alex omoto)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 00:09:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing class interface with private methods
Message-ID: <123772.15900.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I am having trouble using Python.NET in accessing class interface methods that are declared private.  As an example,

Public Interface Iface
    Property Func() As Boolean
End Interface

Public Class Foo
    Implements Iface

    Private Function Func() As Boolean
        Return True
    End Function

    Public ReadOnly Property IFACE() As Iface
        Get
            Return Me
        End Get
    End Property
End Class

Then using Python 2.5 with Python.Net 2.0 alpha 2,  I cannot access the method.  Is this supported?

import clr
import Foo
f = Foo()
f.IFACE              # OK
f.IFACE.Func()    # results in Attribute error


Thanks,
Alex

       
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From lance23runner at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  8 22:40:19 2007
From: lance23runner at yahoo.com (alex omoto)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:40:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Python.NET] Structure as argument
Message-ID: <114065.20588.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi again, 

I am basically trying to integrate some python code with already built VB code.  I'd prefer not to have to change VB code, but here are the things i noticed...

(1)  All VB optional arguments must be defined when calling them in Python.Net.  

(2)  I have created a function with a structure as the argument.  

Public Structure SomeStruct
    Public dVal As Double
End Structure

Public Class Class1
   ...
    Public Function test(ByRef arg As SomeStruct) As Boolean
        return True
    End Function
End Class

Using Python.Net, I can create the class, then the struct and call the function with the struct as the argument.  I get the following error:

System.ArgumentException: Object of type 'System.RuntimeType' cannot be converted to type 'SomeStruct&'



Thanks, 
Alex 

       
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From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 15:54:23 2007
From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 06:54:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing class interface with private methods
In-Reply-To: <123772.15900.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <93727.68378.qm@web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is not supported. You can't access private methods in C# or VB.NET either, so why should Python.NET be able to access them? But one thing to note is that you CAN access protected methods directly in Pyhon.NET (you don't have to make a subclass to use a protected method).

- Feihong

alex omoto <lance23runner at yahoo.com> wrote: Hi,

I am having trouble using Python.NET in accessing class interface methods that are declared private.  As an example,

Public Interface Iface
    Property Func() As Boolean
End Interface

Public Class Foo
    Implements Iface

    Private Function Func() As Boolean
        Return True
    End Function

    Public ReadOnly Property IFACE() As Iface
        Get
            Return Me
        End Get
    End Property
End Class

Then using Python 2.5 with Python.Net 2.0 alpha 2,  I cannot access the method.  Is this supported?

import clr
import Foo
f =  Foo()
f.IFACE              # OK
f.IFACE.Func()    # results in Attribute error


Thanks,
Alex
           

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From wickardt at xs4all.nl  Tue Dec 11 20:23:16 2007
From: wickardt at xs4all.nl (Tijs Wickardt)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:23:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing class interface with private methods
Message-ID: <9207.86.84.134.179.1197400996.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Actually, there is a way to access private members in C#.
You can use System.Reflection to modify access directives.

Since you can't access private members from Python .net, you could write a
seperate C# module that unhides private members and exposes them as
public.
You could then call those public methods from Python for .NET.

Cumbersome, but should work.

Kind regards, Tijs



Feihong Hsu hsu.feihong at yahoo.com
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This is not supported. You can't access private methods in C# or VB.NET
either, so why should Python.NET be able to access them? But one thing to
note is that you CAN access protected methods directly in Pyhon.NET (you
don't have to make a subclass to use a protected method).

- Feihong

alex omoto <lance23runner at yahoo.com> wrote: Hi,

I am having trouble using Python.NET in accessing class interface methods
that are declared private.  As an example,

Public Interface Iface
    Property Func() As Boolean
End Interface

Public Class Foo
    Implements Iface

    Private Function Func() As Boolean
        Return True
    End Function

    Public ReadOnly Property IFACE() As Iface
        Get
            Return Me
        End Get
    End Property
End Class

Then using Python 2.5 with Python.Net 2.0 alpha 2,  I cannot access the
method.  Is this supported?

import clr
import Foo
f =  Foo()
f.IFACE              # OK
f.IFACE.Func()    # results in Attribute error


Thanks,
Alex





From brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com  Tue Dec 11 20:40:05 2007
From: brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:40:05 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing class interface with private methods
In-Reply-To: <9207.86.84.134.179.1197400996.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <C38451C5.12346%brian.lloyd@revolutionhealth.com>

Better (or worse) yet, you can just use System.Reflection via python
to get at what you need ;)


On 12/11/07 2:23 PM, "Tijs Wickardt" <wickardt at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Actually, there is a way to access private members in C#.
> You can use System.Reflection to modify access directives.
> 
> Since you can't access private members from Python .net, you could write a
> seperate C# module that unhides private members and exposes them as
> public.
> You could then call those public methods from Python for .NET.
> 
> Cumbersome, but should work.
> 
> Kind regards, Tijs
> 
> 
> 
> Feihong Hsu hsu.feihong at yahoo.com
> Sun Dec 9 15:54:23 CET 2007
> 
> Previous message: [Python.NET] Accessing class interface with private methods
> Next message: [Python.NET] Structure as argument
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> 
> This is not supported. You can't access private methods in C# or VB.NET
> either, so why should Python.NET be able to access them? But one thing to
> note is that you CAN access protected methods directly in Pyhon.NET (you
> don't have to make a subclass to use a protected method).
> 
> - Feihong
> 
> alex omoto <lance23runner at yahoo.com> wrote: Hi,
> 
> I am having trouble using Python.NET in accessing class interface methods
> that are declared private.  As an example,
> 
> Public Interface Iface
>     Property Func() As Boolean
> End Interface
> 
> Public Class Foo
>     Implements Iface
> 
>     Private Function Func() As Boolean
>         Return True
>     End Function
> 
>     Public ReadOnly Property IFACE() As Iface
>         Get
>             Return Me
>         End Get
>     End Property
> End Class
> 
> Then using Python 2.5 with Python.Net 2.0 alpha 2,  I cannot access the
> method.  Is this supported?
> 
> import clr
> import Foo
> f =  Foo()
> f.IFACE              # OK
> f.IFACE.Func()    # results in Attribute error
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________
> Python.NET mailing list - PythonDotNet at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythondotnet

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From wickardt at xs4all.nl  Tue Dec 11 21:30:30 2007
From: wickardt at xs4all.nl (Tijs Wickardt)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:30:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton Live
Message-ID: <13171.86.84.134.179.1197405030.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi group,

I'm new here, so let me start with a small introduction: I'm a Progress
developer (RDBMS with it's own 4GL) for a living, with some experience in
C++ and C#, and I'm into music. Python is new to me, but doesn't seem so
hard to learn (at least the basics). So sorry beforehand for some silly
questions which I should have posted at a Python noob forum ;)

Here's the question:

The provided examples with Python for .NET run fine with the supplied
python.exe on my Win32 XP SP2. I previously had problems with using the
CLR.dll (Python .NET 1.0) inside a default Python 2.4.4 installation, and
asked Brian Lloyd about this, but it was apparently an installation
problem; now, on another machine, this imports fine (import CLR). It was a
Python 2.5.1 installation on the other machine, maybe that's the
difference.

What I'd really like to do however, is the following:
In a music program called Ableton Live, Python scripts are used to make
interfaces between hardware midi controllers and Ableton Live.

I'd like to use Python for .NET here, since I have several C# libraries
I'd like to use for my mappings (and other stuff).

When I copy "Python.Runtime.dll" and "CLR.dll" to a subfolder with a
python script of Ableton Live, it compiles into .pyc. Ableton Live however
gives a message "A serious error has occured", and on shutdown of the
program, a memory fault causes the MS debugger to launch. Not good.

Is what I want possible?
Should I add more code to the .py scripts?
The only thing I've added was "import CLR" in the first line of
"__init__.py" (plus a newline character oc).
Should I use a CLR.dll for Python 2.2, and does that exist?

With the Python for .NET 2.0, I don't see a CLR.dll anymore. Only a
"clr.so" of which I have no clue, and doesn't import. How should I use it?

Here is some more info on Ableton Live's Python implementation (quoted
from www.liveapi.org, which is down at the moment):
# The current limitations that really stand out are: Ableton's Python
environment is based on a stripped down Python 2.2 install
# Updates are limited to 60ms (16 times a second)
# Threads in Ableton's Python environment are only polled every 100ms,
sys.setcheckinterval() doesn't seem to affect this.
# No select.py seems to work, although we suspect that this could be
easily resolved with some additional effort. There's an incompatibility
between Ableton's Python and the 'standard' Python 2.2 major release. They
appear to be different flavors.


Any help appreciated,

Kind regards, Tijs Wickardt









From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 00:18:03 2007
From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:18:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton
	Live
In-Reply-To: <13171.86.84.134.179.1197405030.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <797855.96963.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Python 2.2 is a seriously old version of Python. There's no download of Python.NET for Python 2.2 that I can see. You'd have to compile that yourself, and I don't even know what version of Visual C++ was used to compile Python 2.2 for Windows. Maybe the best solution at this point would be to use the popen2 module to spawn your Python.NET-using scripts as subprocesses, and communicate with your Ableton Live scripts using lines of strings.

Cheers,
Feihong

Tijs Wickardt <wickardt at xs4all.nl> wrote: Hi group,

I'm new here, so let me start with a small introduction: I'm a Progress
developer (RDBMS with it's own 4GL) for a living, with some experience in
C++ and C#, and I'm into music. Python is new to me, but doesn't seem so
hard to learn (at least the basics). So sorry beforehand for some silly
questions which I should have posted at a Python noob forum ;)

Here's the question:

The provided examples with Python for .NET run fine with the supplied
python.exe on my Win32 XP SP2. I previously had problems with using the
CLR.dll (Python .NET 1.0) inside a default Python 2.4.4 installation, and
asked Brian Lloyd about this, but it was apparently an installation
problem; now, on another machine, this imports fine (import CLR). It was a
Python 2.5.1 installation on the other machine, maybe that's the
difference.

What I'd really like to do however, is the following:
In a music program called Ableton Live, Python scripts are used to make
interfaces between hardware midi controllers and Ableton Live.

I'd like to use Python for .NET here, since I have several C# libraries
I'd like to use for my mappings (and other stuff).

When I copy "Python.Runtime.dll" and "CLR.dll" to a subfolder with a
python script of Ableton Live, it compiles into .pyc. Ableton Live however
gives a message "A serious error has occured", and on shutdown of the
program, a memory fault causes the MS debugger to launch. Not good.

Is what I want possible?
Should I add more code to the .py scripts?
The only thing I've added was "import CLR" in the first line of
"__init__.py" (plus a newline character oc).
Should I use a CLR.dll for Python 2.2, and does that exist?

With the Python for .NET 2.0, I don't see a CLR.dll anymore. Only a
"clr.so" of which I have no clue, and doesn't import. How should I use it?

Here is some more info on Ableton Live's Python implementation (quoted
from www.liveapi.org, which is down at the moment):
# The current limitations that really stand out are: Ableton's Python
environment is based on a stripped down Python 2.2 install
# Updates are limited to 60ms (16 times a second)
# Threads in Ableton's Python environment are only polled every 100ms,
sys.setcheckinterval() doesn't seem to affect this.
# No select.py seems to work, although we suspect that this could be
easily resolved with some additional effort. There's an incompatibility
between Ableton's Python and the 'standard' Python 2.2 major release. They
appear to be different flavors.


Any help appreciated,

Kind regards, Tijs Wickardt








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From lists at cheimes.de  Wed Dec 12 18:30:01 2007
From: lists at cheimes.de (Christian Heimes)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:30:01 +0100
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton
 Live
In-Reply-To: <797855.96963.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <13171.86.84.134.179.1197405030.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<797855.96963.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47601A99.7080108@cheimes.de>

Feihong Hsu wrote:
> Python 2.2 is a seriously old version of Python. There's no download of Python.NET for Python 2.2 that I can see. You'd have to compile that yourself, and I don't even know what version of Visual C++ was used to compile Python 2.2 for Windows. Maybe the best solution at this point would be to use the popen2 module to spawn your Python.NET-using scripts as subprocesses, and communicate with your Ableton Live scripts using lines of strings.

Python Dot NET doesn't support Python 2.2. It hardly supports 2.3 and
2.4. I keep 2.4 support around because Zope still uses 2.4. And I only
added support to 2.3 because somebody asked me very nicely and the
change to the code was was trivial.

However 2.2 is a no go for me. The API and ABI changes between 2.2 and
2.3 an too great and 2.2 is *really* old.

Christian


From lance23runner at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 22:01:31 2007
From: lance23runner at yahoo.com (lance23runner)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:01:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing class interface with private methods
In-Reply-To: <93727.68378.qm@web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <123772.15900.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<93727.68378.qm@web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14243281.post@talk.nabble.com>


I forgot to add "Implements Iface.Func" to method Func, I hope this doesn't
confuse my problem.  It is added below.

The private method Func is accessible in VB.NET using the public IFACE. 
This is intended so the class does not see these methods, but it can access
them using the IFACE property.  A protected method doesn't provide the
abstraction.

Thanks,
-Alex



Feihong Hsu wrote:
> 
> This is not supported. You can't access private methods in C# or VB.NET
> either, so why should Python.NET be able to access them? But one thing to
> note is that you CAN access protected methods directly in Pyhon.NET (you
> don't have to make a subclass to use a protected method).
> 
> - Feihong
> 
> alex omoto <lance23runner at yahoo.com> wrote: Hi,
> 
> I am having trouble using Python.NET in accessing class interface methods
> that are declared private.  As an example,
> 
> Public Interface Iface
>     Property Func() As Boolean
> End Interface
> 
> Public Class Foo
>     Implements Iface
> 
>     Private Function Func() As Boolean Implements Iface.Func
>         Return True
>     End Function
> 
>     Public ReadOnly Property IFACE() As Iface
>         Get
>             Return Me
>         End Get
>     End Property
> End Class
> 
> Then using Python 2.5 with Python.Net 2.0 alpha 2,  I cannot access the
> method.  Is this supported?
> 
> import clr
> import Foo
> f =  Foo()
> f.IFACE              # OK
> f.IFACE.Func()    # results in Attribute error
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
>            
> 
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From lists at cheimes.de  Wed Dec 12 18:30:01 2007
From: lists at cheimes.de (Christian Heimes)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:30:01 +0100
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton
 Live
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References: <13171.86.84.134.179.1197405030.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<797855.96963.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47601A99.7080108@cheimes.de>



Feihong Hsu wrote:
> Python 2.2 is a seriously old version of Python. There's no download of Python.NET for Python 2.2 that I can see. You'd have to compile that yourself, and I don't even know what version of Visual C++ was used to compile Python 2.2 for Windows. Maybe the best solution at this point would be to use the popen2 module to spawn your Python.NET-using scripts as subprocesses, and communicate with your Ableton Live scripts using lines of strings.

Python Dot NET doesn't support Python 2.2. It hardly supports 2.3 and
2.4. I keep 2.4 support around because Zope still uses 2.4. And I only
added support to 2.3 because somebody asked me very nicely and the
change to the code was was trivial.

However 2.2 is a no go for me. The API and ABI changes between 2.2 and
2.3 an too great and 2.2 is *really* old.

Christian


From brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com  Wed Dec 12 19:18:25 2007
From: brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton
 Live
In-Reply-To: <47601A99.7080108@cheimes.de>
Message-ID: <C3859021.12406%brian.lloyd@revolutionhealth.com>

Not sure how insane this is, but if you want to really roll your sleeves
up you might be able to checkout the old python2.2-supporting branch of
python.net and build it using the .NET 2.x tool chain.

If it works (no guarantees, but it might), then you should at least be able
to load .net 2.x assemblies, though you wouldn't be able to leverage
features that were supported in .net 1.0.

I don't know much about Ableton (I'm a Sonar guy...), but if they haven't
done anything too weird to the python they ship with you could also
investigate dropping in a newer python exe, dlls and libs...

-Brian


On 12/12/07 12:30 PM, "Christian Heimes" <lists at cheimes.de> wrote:

> Feihong Hsu wrote:
>> Python 2.2 is a seriously old version of Python. There's no download of
>> Python.NET for Python 2.2 that I can see. You'd have to compile that
>> yourself, and I don't even know what version of Visual C++ was used to
>> compile Python 2.2 for Windows. Maybe the best solution at this point would
>> be to use the popen2 module to spawn your Python.NET-using scripts as
>> subprocesses, and communicate with your Ableton Live scripts using lines of
>> strings.
> 
> Python Dot NET doesn't support Python 2.2. It hardly supports 2.3 and
> 2.4. I keep 2.4 support around because Zope still uses 2.4. And I only
> added support to 2.3 because somebody asked me very nicely and the
> change to the code was was trivial.
> 
> However 2.2 is a no go for me. The API and ABI changes between 2.2 and
> 2.3 an too great and 2.2 is *really* old.
> 
> Christian
> 
> _________________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythondotnet

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From brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com  Wed Dec 12 19:18:25 2007
From: brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton
 Live
In-Reply-To: <47601A99.7080108@cheimes.de>
Message-ID: <C3859021.12406%brian.lloyd@revolutionhealth.com>



Not sure how insane this is, but if you want to really roll your sleeves
up you might be able to checkout the old python2.2-supporting branch of
python.net and build it using the .NET 2.x tool chain.

If it works (no guarantees, but it might), then you should at least be able
to load .net 2.x assemblies, though you wouldn't be able to leverage
features that were supported in .net 1.0.

I don't know much about Ableton (I'm a Sonar guy...), but if they haven't
done anything too weird to the python they ship with you could also
investigate dropping in a newer python exe, dlls and libs...

-Brian


On 12/12/07 12:30 PM, "Christian Heimes" <lists at cheimes.de> wrote:

> Feihong Hsu wrote:
>> Python 2.2 is a seriously old version of Python. There's no download of
>> Python.NET for Python 2.2 that I can see. You'd have to compile that
>> yourself, and I don't even know what version of Visual C++ was used to
>> compile Python 2.2 for Windows. Maybe the best solution at this point would
>> be to use the popen2 module to spawn your Python.NET-using scripts as
>> subprocesses, and communicate with your Ableton Live scripts using lines of
>> strings.
> 
> Python Dot NET doesn't support Python 2.2. It hardly supports 2.3 and
> 2.4. I keep 2.4 support around because Zope still uses 2.4. And I only
> added support to 2.3 because somebody asked me very nicely and the
> change to the code was was trivial.
> 
> However 2.2 is a no go for me. The API and ABI changes between 2.2 and
> 2.3 an too great and 2.2 is *really* old.
> 
> Christian
> 
> _________________________________________________
> Python.NET mailing list - PythonDotNet at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythondotnet

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From brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com  Wed Dec 12 19:32:42 2007
From: brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:32:42 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing class interface with private methods
In-Reply-To: <14243281.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C385937A.1240E%brian.lloyd@revolutionhealth.com>

have you tried explicitly calling this through the interface? You
need to do something similar to a cast in C#:
 
from mynamespace import Foo, Iface

inst = Foo() # create an instance

wrapped = Iface(inst) # 'cast' to the interface

wrapped.Func() # should now work

hope this helps,

-Brian



On 12/9/07 4:01 PM, "lance23runner" <lance23runner at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> I forgot to add "Implements Iface.Func" to method Func, I hope this doesn't
> confuse my problem.  It is added below.
> 
> The private method Func is accessible in VB.NET using the public IFACE.
> This is intended so the class does not see these methods, but it can access
> them using the IFACE property.  A protected method doesn't provide the
> abstraction.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Alex
> 
> 
> 
> Feihong Hsu wrote:
>> 
>> This is not supported. You can't access private methods in C# or VB.NET
>> either, so why should Python.NET be able to access them? But one thing to
>> note is that you CAN access protected methods directly in Pyhon.NET (you
>> don't have to make a subclass to use a protected method).
>> 
>> - Feihong
>> 
>> alex omoto <lance23runner at yahoo.com> wrote: Hi,
>> 
>> I am having trouble using Python.NET in accessing class interface methods
>> that are declared private.  As an example,
>> 
>> Public Interface Iface
>>     Property Func() As Boolean
>> End Interface
>> 
>> Public Class Foo
>>     Implements Iface
>> 
>>     Private Function Func() As Boolean Implements Iface.Func
>>         Return True
>>     End Function
>> 
>>     Public ReadOnly Property IFACE() As Iface
>>         Get
>>             Return Me
>>         End Get
>>     End Property
>> End Class
>> 
>> Then using Python 2.5 with Python.Net 2.0 alpha 2,  I cannot access the
>> method.  Is this supported?
>> 
>> import clr
>> import Foo
>> f =  Foo()
>> f.IFACE              # OK
>> f.IFACE.Func()    # results in Attribute error
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Alex


From wickardt at xs4all.nl  Thu Dec 13 18:59:44 2007
From: wickardt at xs4all.nl (Tijs Wickardt)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:59:44 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton
 Live
Message-ID: <18123.82.95.10.159.1197568784.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Thanks for the reply Brian, and also Christian Heimes and Feihong Hsu.

> Not sure how insane this is, but if you want to really roll your sleeves
> up you might be able to checkout the old python2.2-supporting branch of
> python.net and build it using the .NET 2.x tool chain.

I'll look into that, thanks

>
> If it works (no guarantees, but it might), then you should at least be
> able
> to load .net 2.x assemblies, though you wouldn't be able to leverage
> features that were supported in .net 1.0.
>

This shouldn't be too much of a restriction. If I build my assemblies with
.net 2.0 it should ( /might) work?

On problem though - how do i use the "pythonnet-2.0-alpha2" anyway in a
separate python? Can't seem to find anything about it in the docs. I can
build it using VS2005, but that gives me a python.exe and a
"Python.Runtime.dll", which I suspect is where all the magic is. If I say
"import Python.Runtime" from a normal python.exe, I get the message the
following:

>>> import Python.Runtime
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named Python.Runtime

I guess what I'm doing doesn't make sense at all, Python.Runtime.dll is
probably a .net assembly. But how then?

> I don't know much about Ableton (I'm a Sonar guy...), but if they haven't
> done anything too weird to the python they ship with you could also
> investigate dropping in a newer python exe, dlls and libs...
>

Ableton comes as one big .exe (about 20MB). I'd have to hack it, and have
no idea how to do that...

> -Brian

Thanks, Tijs

P.S. Feihong:
Using popen2 wouldn't be the best workaround for me I think. Liveapi has a
telnet and OSC server that would probably serve me best. I'd prefer to use
.net directly however, and save me the overhead of socket traffic.
If it's not possible, it's not possible, and I'll use liveapi.

Thanks again, Tijs




From lists at cheimes.de  Thu Dec 13 19:16:44 2007
From: lists at cheimes.de (Christian Heimes)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:16:44 +0100
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton
 Live
In-Reply-To: <18123.82.95.10.159.1197568784.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <18123.82.95.10.159.1197568784.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <4761770C.8080705@cheimes.de>

Tijs Wickardt wrote:
> On problem though - how do i use the "pythonnet-2.0-alpha2" anyway in a
> separate python? Can't seem to find anything about it in the docs. I can
> build it using VS2005, but that gives me a python.exe and a
> "Python.Runtime.dll", which I suspect is where all the magic is. If I say
> "import Python.Runtime" from a normal python.exe, I get the message the
> following:

The magic is in clr.pyd. You have to import the python dynamic extension
(hence the name) in order to use the CLR features in a common Python.
The clr.pyd in the alpha zip files doesn't work properly. You have to
compile your own version with VS.

> Ableton comes as one big .exe (about 20MB). I'd have to hack it, and have
> no idea how to do that...

I fear it's not going to work. A big exe sounds like a static inclusion
of Python. PythonDotNET isn't compatible with static linking of the
pythoncore library. It requires a pythonXX.dll to work.

Christian


From wickardt at xs4all.nl  Thu Dec 13 21:03:11 2007
From: wickardt at xs4all.nl (Tijs Wickardt)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:03:11 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton
 Live
Message-ID: <8325.82.95.10.159.1197576191.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi Christian,

> The magic is in clr.pyd. You have to import the python dynamic extension
> (hence the name) in order to use the CLR features in a common Python.
> The clr.pyd in the alpha zip files doesn't work properly. You have to
> compile your own version with VS.

Thanks, that helps. "import clr" is indeed working with a newly built
clr.pyd in a standard Python 2.5.1. After that I can import .net
libraries, thanks for your help.

>> Ableton comes as one big .exe (about 20MB). I'd have to hack it, and..
>
> I fear it's not going to work. A big exe sounds like a static inclusion
> of Python. PythonDotNET isn't compatible with static linking of the
> pythoncore library. It requires a pythonXX.dll to work.

Too bad. Thank you for your clear answer.

Thanks, Tijs



From lists at cheimes.de  Thu Dec 13 19:16:44 2007
From: lists at cheimes.de (Christian Heimes)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:16:44 +0100
Subject: [Python.NET] Trouble getting Python for .NET to work in Ableton
 Live
In-Reply-To: <18123.82.95.10.159.1197568784.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <18123.82.95.10.159.1197568784.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <4761770C.8080705@cheimes.de>



Tijs Wickardt wrote:
> On problem though - how do i use the "pythonnet-2.0-alpha2" anyway in a
> separate python? Can't seem to find anything about it in the docs. I can
> build it using VS2005, but that gives me a python.exe and a
> "Python.Runtime.dll", which I suspect is where all the magic is. If I say
> "import Python.Runtime" from a normal python.exe, I get the message the
> following:

The magic is in clr.pyd. You have to import the python dynamic extension
(hence the name) in order to use the CLR features in a common Python.
The clr.pyd in the alpha zip files doesn't work properly. You have to
compile your own version with VS.

> Ableton comes as one big .exe (about 20MB). I'd have to hack it, and have
> no idea how to do that...

I fear it's not going to work. A big exe sounds like a static inclusion
of Python. PythonDotNET isn't compatible with static linking of the
pythoncore library. It requires a pythonXX.dll to work.

Christian


From lance23runner at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 15 01:58:01 2007
From: lance23runner at yahoo.com (lance23runner)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:58:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing class interface with private methods
In-Reply-To: <C385937A.1240E%brian.lloyd@revolutionhealth.com>
References: <123772.15900.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<93727.68378.qm@web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<14243281.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C385937A.1240E%brian.lloyd@revolutionhealth.com>
Message-ID: <14339876.post@talk.nabble.com>


Cool.  Thanks Brian, this worked!

-Alex




Brian Lloyd-5 wrote:
> 
> have you tried explicitly calling this through the interface? You
> need to do something similar to a cast in C#:
>  
> from mynamespace import Foo, Iface
> 
> inst = Foo() # create an instance
> 
> wrapped = Iface(inst) # 'cast' to the interface
> 
> wrapped.Func() # should now work
> 
> hope this helps,
> 
> -Brian
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/9/07 4:01 PM, "lance23runner" <lance23runner at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I forgot to add "Implements Iface.Func" to method Func, I hope this
>> doesn't
>> confuse my problem.  It is added below.
>> 
>> The private method Func is accessible in VB.NET using the public IFACE.
>> This is intended so the class does not see these methods, but it can
>> access
>> them using the IFACE property.  A protected method doesn't provide the
>> abstraction.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -Alex
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Feihong Hsu wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not supported. You can't access private methods in C# or VB.NET
>>> either, so why should Python.NET be able to access them? But one thing
>>> to
>>> note is that you CAN access protected methods directly in Pyhon.NET (you
>>> don't have to make a subclass to use a protected method).
>>> 
>>> - Feihong
>>> 
>>> alex omoto <lance23runner at yahoo.com> wrote: Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am having trouble using Python.NET in accessing class interface
>>> methods
>>> that are declared private.  As an example,
>>> 
>>> Public Interface Iface
>>>     Property Func() As Boolean
>>> End Interface
>>> 
>>> Public Class Foo
>>>     Implements Iface
>>> 
>>>     Private Function Func() As Boolean Implements Iface.Func
>>>         Return True
>>>     End Function
>>> 
>>>     Public ReadOnly Property IFACE() As Iface
>>>         Get
>>>             Return Me
>>>         End Get
>>>     End Property
>>> End Class
>>> 
>>> Then using Python 2.5 with Python.Net 2.0 alpha 2,  I cannot access the
>>> method.  Is this supported?
>>> 
>>> import clr
>>> import Foo
>>> f =  Foo()
>>> f.IFACE              # OK
>>> f.IFACE.Func()    # results in Attribute error
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
> 
> _________________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythondotnet
> 
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From kyle.stevens at thenortheastgroup.com  Tue Dec 18 21:02:29 2007
From: kyle.stevens at thenortheastgroup.com (Kyle Stevens)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:02:29 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing Public Functions in Module
Message-ID: <47682755.60506@thenortheastgroup.com>

We have an application that was developed in Visual Basic, and would 
like to use Python for .NET to extend it.  I've played around with it a 
bit, and everything works fine if it is within a class in the .Net assembly.

However, there are a number of components that exist as public functions 
within a module.  I cannot seem to access them from Python for .NET.

My latest session is shown below, where I try to import and use the 
function, "NonQuery" within the module, "SQL_Module" to no avail.

Thanks for any help, and thanks for this wonderful piece of software.  I 
can't wait to start programming some things with this instead of Visual 
Basic.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Z:\>\\buffalo02\share\IT\python\python\python.exe
Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Apr 18 2007, 08:51:08) [MSC v.1310 32 bit 
(Intel)] on
win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> import Nepco4
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named Nepco4
 >>> from NepcoV2 import Order
 >>> from NepcoV2 import NonQuery
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: cannot import name NonQuery
 >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module.NonQuery
  File "<stdin>", line 1
    from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module.NonQuery
                                  ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
 >>> from NepcoV2.SQL_Module import NonQuery
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named SQL_Module
 >>> import Nepco4.NepcoV2
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named Nepco4.NepcoV2
 >>> from Nepco4 import NepcoV2
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named Nepco4
 >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Module
 >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module5
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Module5
 >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Modulf
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Modulf
 >>> from NepcoV2 import Shipping_Detail_Report
 >>> from NepcoV2 import *
 >>> NonQuery()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'NonQuery' is not defined
 >>> NepcoV2.NonQuery()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'NepcoV2' is not defined
 >>>

From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 18 21:47:34 2007
From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:47:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing Public Functions in Module
In-Reply-To: <47682755.60506@thenortheastgroup.com>
Message-ID: <387581.87721.qm@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can you access these same functions in C#? Maybe what you have to do is write a wrapper library for your VB.NET library in C#, and have Python access the library through the the wrapper.

- Feihong


Kyle Stevens <kyle.stevens at thenortheastgroup.com> wrote: We have an application that was developed in Visual Basic, and would 
like to use Python for .NET to extend it.  I've played around with it a 
bit, and everything works fine if it is within a class in the .Net assembly.

However, there are a number of components that exist as public functions 
within a module.  I cannot seem to access them from Python for .NET.

My latest session is shown below, where I try to import and use the 
function, "NonQuery" within the module, "SQL_Module" to no avail.

Thanks for any help, and thanks for this wonderful piece of software.  I 
can't wait to start programming some things with this instead of Visual 
Basic.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

Z:\>\\buffalo02\share\IT\python\python\python.exe
Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Apr 18 2007, 08:51:08) [MSC v.1310 32 bit 
(Intel)] on
win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> import Nepco4
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
ImportError: No module named Nepco4
 >>> from NepcoV2 import Order
 >>> from NepcoV2 import NonQuery
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
ImportError: cannot import name NonQuery
 >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module.NonQuery
  File "", line 1
    from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module.NonQuery
                                  ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
 >>> from NepcoV2.SQL_Module import NonQuery
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
ImportError: No module named SQL_Module
 >>> import Nepco4.NepcoV2
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
ImportError: No module named Nepco4.NepcoV2
 >>> from Nepco4 import NepcoV2
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
ImportError: No module named Nepco4
 >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Module
 >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module5
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Module5
 >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Modulf
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Modulf
 >>> from NepcoV2 import Shipping_Detail_Report
 >>> from NepcoV2 import *
 >>> NonQuery()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
NameError: name 'NonQuery' is not defined
 >>> NepcoV2.NonQuery()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
NameError: name 'NepcoV2' is not defined
 >>>
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From brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com  Tue Dec 18 21:57:18 2007
From: brian.lloyd at revolutionhealth.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:57:18 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing Public Functions in Module
In-Reply-To: <387581.87721.qm@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C38D9E5E.1272B%brian.lloyd@revolutionhealth.com>

Most likely the vb.net compiler does some shenanigans and places this
(in the IL) in a place that might not be obvious (like a generated class).

If you use reflector on the assembly you can probably discover what its
real name is and try to import that from python.

-Brian


On 12/18/07 3:47 PM, "Feihong Hsu" <hsu.feihong at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Can you access these same functions in C#? Maybe what you have to do is write
> a wrapper library for your VB.NET library in C#, and have Python access the
> library through the the wrapper.
> 
> - Feihong
> 
> 
> Kyle Stevens <kyle.stevens at thenortheastgroup.com> wrote:
>>  We have an application that was developed in Visual Basic, and would
>> like to use Python for .NET to extend it.  I've played around with it a
>> bit, and everything works fine if it is within a class in the .Net assembly.
>> 
>> However, there are a number of components that exist as public functions
>> within a module.  I cannot seem to access them from Python for .NET.
>> 
>> My latest session is shown below, where I try to import and use the
>> function, "NonQuery" within the module, "SQL_Module" to no avail.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help, and thanks for this wonderful piece of software.  I
>> can't wait to start programming some things with this instead of Visual
>> Basic.
>> 
>> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
>> (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
>> 
>> Z:\>\\buffalo02\share\IT\python\python\python.exe
>> Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Apr 18 2007, 08:51:08) [MSC v.1310 32 bit
>> (Intel)] on
>> win32
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>>>  >>> import Nepco4
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> ImportError: No module named Nepco4
>>>>>  >>> from NepcoV2 import Order
>>>>>  >>> from NepcoV2 import NonQuery
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> ImportError: cannot import name NonQuery
>>>>>  >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module.NonQuery
>>   File "", line 1
>>     from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module.NonQuery
>>                                   ^
>> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>>>>>  >>> from NepcoV2.SQL_Module import NonQuery
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> ImportError: No module named SQL_Module
>>>>>  >>> import Nepco4.NepcoV2
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> ImportError: No module named Nepco4.NepcoV2
>>>>>  >>> from Nepco4 import NepcoV2
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> ImportError: No module named Nepco4
>>>>>  >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Module
>>>>>  >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module5
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Module5
>>>>>  >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Modulf
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Modulf
>>>>>  >>> from NepcoV2 import Shipping_Detail_Report
>>>>>  >>> from NepcoV2 import *
>>>>>  >>> NonQuery()
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> NameError: name 'NonQuery' is not defined
>>>>>  >>> NepcoV2.NonQuery()
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "", line 1, in
>> NameError: name 'NepcoV2' is not defined
>>>>>  >>>
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythondotnet
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From kyle.stevens at thenortheastgroup.com  Tue Dec 18 22:40:18 2007
From: kyle.stevens at thenortheastgroup.com (Kyle Stevens)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:40:18 -0500
Subject: [Python.NET] Accessing Public Functions in Module
In-Reply-To: <C38D9E5E.1272B%brian.lloyd@revolutionhealth.com>
References: <C38D9E5E.1272B%brian.lloyd@revolutionhealth.com>
Message-ID: <47683E42.8060809@thenortheastgroup.com>

Thanks.  I downloaded a reflector from:
http://www.aisto.com/roeder/dotnet/

By using that I could see that the module in question was declared 
friend (default, if not specified.. I guess), not public.  I made it 
public and can now access the functions within it.

So the compiler didn't mangle anything, it was just me not knowing what 
I was doing :).  But your idea worked anyway.

Thanks again.

Brian Lloyd wrote:
> Most likely the vb.net compiler does some shenanigans and places this
> (in the IL) in a place that might not be obvious (like a generated class).
>
> If you use reflector on the assembly you can probably discover what its
> real name is and try to import that from python.
>
> -Brian
>
>
> On 12/18/07 3:47 PM, "Feihong Hsu" <hsu.feihong at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>     Can you access these same functions in C#? Maybe what you have to
>     do is write a wrapper library for your VB.NET library in C#, and
>     have Python access the library through the the wrapper.
>
>     - Feihong
>
>
>     */Kyle Stevens <kyle.stevens at thenortheastgroup.com>/* wrote:
>
>         We have an application that was developed in Visual Basic, and
>         would
>         like to use Python for .NET to extend it.  I've played around
>         with it a
>         bit, and everything works fine if it is within a class in the
>         .Net assembly.
>
>         However, there are a number of components that exist as public
>         functions
>         within a module.  I cannot seem to access them from Python for
>         .NET.
>
>         My latest session is shown below, where I try to import and
>         use the
>         function, "NonQuery" within the module, "SQL_Module" to no avail.
>
>         Thanks for any help, and thanks for this wonderful piece of
>         software.  I
>         can't wait to start programming some things with this instead
>         of Visual
>         Basic.
>
>         Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
>         (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
>
>         Z:\>\\buffalo02\share\IT\python\python\python.exe
>         Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Apr 18 2007, 08:51:08) [MSC v.1310
>         32 bit
>         (Intel)] on
>         win32
>         Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more
>         information.
>          >>> import Nepco4
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         ImportError: No module named Nepco4
>          >>> from NepcoV2 import Order
>          >>> from NepcoV2 import NonQuery
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         ImportError: cannot import name NonQuery
>          >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module.NonQuery
>           File "", line 1
>             from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module.NonQuery
>                                           ^
>         SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>          >>> from NepcoV2.SQL_Module import NonQuery
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         ImportError: No module named SQL_Module
>          >>> import Nepco4.NepcoV2
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         ImportError: No module named Nepco4.NepcoV2
>          >>> from Nepco4 import NepcoV2
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         ImportError: No module named Nepco4
>          >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Module
>          >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Module5
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Module5
>          >>> from NepcoV2 import SQL_Modulf
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         ImportError: cannot import name SQL_Modulf
>          >>> from NepcoV2 import Shipping_Detail_Report
>          >>> from NepcoV2 import *
>          >>> NonQuery()
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         NameError: name 'NonQuery' is not defined
>          >>> NepcoV2.NonQuery()
>         Traceback (most recent call last):
>           File "", line 1, in
>         NameError: name 'NepcoV2' is not defined
>          >>>
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