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Great............ is it going to be an ARM only port or will you do versions for the older processors ?On 11 Jul 2003 at 21:23, Michael Foord wrote:Is this list distinct from the Python for PocketPC project ? If not - is that project still alive ?Same list, same project still alive. I'm redoing the port right now with Python 2.3 I don't have a specific timetable, but chipping away at it. Everything compiles, but it doesn't link. Just grunge work to get it going :-(
All new PDAs have ARM I guess.... but then the majority are still older processors.......... the Jornada 520 series was very popular :-)
Thanks for the reply
Fuzzyman
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From bkc@murkworks.com Fri Jul 11 22:52:52 2003 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:52:52 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE In-Reply-To: <3F0F28B6.3020408@tbsmerchants.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F0F9C54.24241.D8F0225D@localhost> On 11 Jul 2003 at 22:14, Michael Foord wrote: > Great............ is it going to be an ARM only port or will you do versions for the older processors ? I thought I'd try CEF, which theoretically is cross platform. I've never tried it. I have an ARM iPaq so ARM too. I really want ctypes to port over, but I don't think that will be easy. -- Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax http://www.wecanstopspam.org/ AOL-IM: BKClements From Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk Thu Jul 17 09:58:22 2003 From: Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:58:22 +0100 Subject: [PythonCE] Python for the ARM Message-ID: <3F16652E.2070104@tbsmerchants.co.uk> I've just got an XDA and am copying across the files for PythonR2. Can I copy the 'program files' folder into the storage card ? 8 meg is a bit hefty to occupy on my device :-) I *have* got the space... but I'd like to play quake too......... Fuzzyman -- Michael Foord Sales Daventry Depot TBS Builders Merchants Ltd Hackwood Road Daventry Northants NN11 4ES Tel : 01327 877378, Fax : 01327 300598, Mobile : 07740 774204 http://www.TBSMerchants.co.uk --- http://www.Voidspace.org.uk The Place where headspace meets cyberspace. Online resource site - covering science, technology, computing, cyberpunk, psychology, spirituality, fiction and more. --- http://www.learnlandrover.com http://www.fuchsiashockz.co.uk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/void-shockz --- Everyone has talent. What is rare is the courage to follow talent to the dark place where it leads. -Erica Jong Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy. -Milan Kundera ----- This email is confidential & intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views presented are solely those of the author & do not necessarily represent those of Towcester Building Supplies. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error & that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. Any files attached to this email will have been checked with virus software before transmission. However, you should carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment. Towcester Building Supplies accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by software viruses. From Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk Fri Jul 18 09:38:04 2003 From: Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:38:04 +0100 Subject: [PythonCE] PocketPC Python Message-ID: <3F17B1EC.2000808@tbsmerchants.co.uk> Is this the *best* forum for discussion relating specifically to the PocketPC distribution of Python ? I assume it is as the page at Mukworks that I downloaded the distribution from points to here ! I'm just surprised its quiet :-) Anyway - a big thanks to Brad and any other develoeprs of Python for the PocketPC. I installed it yesterday and my text parsing scripts worked *without modification* cool. Now I've got my head around file paths I'm flying. Ok, so I'm a newbie and my scripts are hardly a rigorous test - but even so its great to be able to test and develop the same scripts on both platforms (desktop windows and pocketPC). A big thank you. First a question (ok so I could just *try it* :-). Will it work with the 'program files' on the storage card ? That would save me 8meg of onboard memory. And a couple of critiscms - not about the implementation of the language itself - but more about the way python.exe handles things I guess : Critiscms of Python It doesn't escapethe spaces in filenames it is passed. So associating .py with it and then double clicking on e.g. test.py in "My Documents\" fails with the error can't find 'My '. If it is running in memory doubleclicking an associated file *ignores* the filename (along with any commandline parameters you've just typed)..... So if you edit the script and then rerun it - you just bring up the old window (with the old error msg. :-). This effectively means you can only run a script if you *first* make sure python is not already running...... In idle (opr whatever its called !) - long lines (error mesgs etc) aren't displayed properly. You can cut and paste them ok to bring up the horizontal slider bar... but when its first printed there's no slider bar to read them. -- Michael Foord Sales Daventry Depot TBS Builders Merchants Ltd Hackwood Road Daventry Northants NN11 4ES Tel : 01327 877378, Fax : 01327 300598, Mobile : 07740 774204 http://www.TBSMerchants.co.uk --- http://www.Voidspace.org.uk The Place where headspace meets cyberspace. Online resource site - covering science, technology, computing, cyberpunk, psychology, spirituality, fiction and more. --- http://www.learnlandrover.com http://www.fuchsiashockz.co.uk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/void-shockz --- Everyone has talent. What is rare is the courage to follow talent to the dark place where it leads. -Erica Jong Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy. -Milan Kundera ----- This email is confidential & intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views presented are solely those of the author & do not necessarily represent those of Towcester Building Supplies. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error & that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. Any files attached to this email will have been checked with virus software before transmission. However, you should carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment. Towcester Building Supplies accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by software viruses. From Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk Fri Jul 18 12:30:46 2003 From: Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:30:46 +0100 Subject: [PythonCE] Python Executables..... on the PocketPC Message-ID: <3F17DA66.7060208@tbsmerchants.co.uk> This seems as good a place to ask as any.............. Anyone ever produced software to create a pocketPC executable (binary) from Python Source code.... anything like Py2exe....... Fuzzyman -- Michael Foord Sales Daventry Depot TBS Builders Merchants Ltd Hackwood Road Daventry Northants NN11 4ES Tel : 01327 877378, Fax : 01327 300598, Mobile : 07740 774204 http://www.TBSMerchants.co.uk --- http://www.Voidspace.org.uk The Place where headspace meets cyberspace. Online resource site - covering science, technology, computing, cyberpunk, psychology, spirituality, fiction and more. --- http://www.learnlandrover.com http://www.fuchsiashockz.co.uk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/void-shockz --- Everyone has talent. What is rare is the courage to follow talent to the dark place where it leads. -Erica Jong Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy. -Milan Kundera ----- This email is confidential & intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views presented are solely those of the author & do not necessarily represent those of Towcester Building Supplies. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error & that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. Any files attached to this email will have been checked with virus software before transmission. However, you should carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment. Towcester Building Supplies accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by software viruses. From bkc@murkworks.com Fri Jul 18 16:18:13 2003 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:18:13 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] PocketPC Python Message-ID: <3F17D1D1.4412.FB933010@localhost> On 18 Jul 2003 at 9:38, Michael Foord wrote: > Is this the *best* forum for discussion relating specifically to the > PocketPC distribution of Python ? yes > I assume it is as the page at Mukworks that I downloaded the > distribution from points to here ! I'm just surprised its quiet :-) I think, perhaps, most Pocket PC devices are sitting in desk drawers these days. Certainly I almost never use my iPaq. I was just going to say, oh its a pretty good clock on my desk in the cradle, but now I note its 20 minutes fast! > First a question (ok so I could just *try it* :-). > Will it work with the 'program files' on the storage card ? That would > save me 8meg of onboard memory. I've read on this list that others have done this and it works. I don't have an external storage card so I've never been able to test it. > It doesn't escapethe spaces in filenames it is passed. > So associating .py with it and then double clicking on e.g. test.py in > "My Documents\" fails with the error can't find 'My '. This is probably a limitation of the argv parsing on CE (I assume you're talking about CE). > If it is running in memory doubleclicking an associated file *ignores* > the filename (along with any commandline parameters you've just > typed)..... No surprise here, the Pocket PC OS only allows one instance of an executable to run at a time. It's not clear to me what gets called in the running program to say "oh hey, they just clicked this file too ..". You have any ideas? > In idle (opr whatever its called !) - long lines (error mesgs etc) > aren't displayed properly. You can cut and paste them ok to bring up the > horizontal slider bar... but when its first printed there's no slider > bar to read them. You might be able to fix this in the main startup script that is the 'shell', I think its ceshell.py or maybe ppceshell.py -- Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax http://www.wecanstopspam.org/ AOL-IM: BKClements -- Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax http://www.wecanstopspam.org/ AOL-IM: BKClements From bkc@murkworks.com Fri Jul 18 16:18:55 2003 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:18:55 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] Python Executables..... on the PocketPC In-Reply-To: <3F17DA66.7060208@tbsmerchants.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F17D1FB.12751.FB93D44F@localhost> On 18 Jul 2003 at 12:30, Michael Foord wrote: > This seems as good a place to ask as any.............. > > Anyone ever produced software to create a pocketPC executable (binary) > from Python Source code.... anything like Py2exe....... I don't think that's practical on the pocket pc because the python dll is so large. Imagine packaging up multiple dlls in a .zip, huge. -- Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax http://www.wecanstopspam.org/ AOL-IM: BKClements From Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk Fri Jul 18 16:17:43 2003 From: Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:17:43 +0100 Subject: [PythonCE] PocketPC Python References: <3F17D1B7.18189.FB92CA61@localhost> Message-ID: <3F180F97.8020103@tbsmerchants.co.uk>
I assume it is as the page at Mukworks that I downloaded the distribution from points to here ! I'm just surprised its quiet :-)I think, perhaps, most Pocket PC devices are sitting in desk drawers these days. Certainly I almost never use my iPaq. I was just going to say, oh its a pretty good clock on my desk in the cradle, but now I note its 20 minutes fast!
:-)
I think the handheld community is pretty active - there are certainly lots of new ones being bought and new models released.
First a question (ok so I could just *try it* :-). Will it work with the 'program files' on the storage card ? That would save me 8meg of onboard memory.I've read on this list that others have done this and it works. I don't have an external storage card so I've never been able to test it.
I'll let you know if it works without modification :-)
Oh....It doesn't escapethe spaces in filenames it is passed. So associating .py with it and then double clicking on e.g. test.py in "My Documents\" fails with the error can't find 'My '.This is probably a limitation of the argv parsing on CE (I assume you're talking about CE).
Its pocketPC 2002
If it is running in memory doubleclicking an associated file *ignores* the filename (along with any commandline parameters you've just typed).....No surprise here, the Pocket PC OS only allows one instance of an executable to run at a time. It's not clear to me what gets called in the running program to say "oh hey, they just clicked this file too ..". You have any ideas?
*Well* - you could put the program in a 'wrapper' that first checks if theres a version in memory... if there is it kills it (or requests it to die :-) and *then* it calls python.exe ... call it launcher.exe or something. It could even check the filenames and escape them with ""....
In idle (opr whatever its called !) - long lines (error mesgs etc) aren't displayed properly. You can cut and paste them ok to bring up the horizontal slider bar... but when its first printed there's no slider bar to read them.You might be able to fix this in the main startup script that is the 'shell', I think its ceshell.py or maybe ppceshell.py
Thanks for the reply.
Fuzzyman
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From Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk Fri Jul 18 16:18:48 2003 From: Michael.Foord@tbsmerchants.co.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:18:48 +0100 Subject: [PythonCE] Python Executables..... on the PocketPC References: <3F17D1FB.12751.FB93D44F@localhost> Message-ID: <3F180FD8.5070502@tbsmerchants.co.uk>
Brad Clements wrote:
On 18 Jul 2003 at 12:30, Michael Foord wrote:This seems as good a place to ask as any.............. Anyone ever produced software to create a pocketPC executable (binary) from Python Source code.... anything like Py2exe.......I don't think that's practical on the pocket pc because the python dll is so large. Imagine packaging up multiple dlls in a .zip, huge.
Right........ what I really need is a python compiler :-)
Activestate started one I think............
Fuzzyman
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From pcolsen@comcast.net Sun Jul 20 22:08:58 2003 From: pcolsen@comcast.net (Peter Olsen) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:08:58 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] Using the PPC / Networking in PythonCE? Message-ID: <012b01c34f03$231c76b0$0301a8c0@waldo> I actually use my Jornada and an external folding keyboard for on-the-go wordprocessing. I can carry both of them easily in a small brief case, a backpack, or in two large pockets. The combination is much lighter and convenient than my laptop. Now, the package would become even more useful if I could only access the PPC's network connections from PythonCE. I haven't figured out how to do this. Does anyone have any suggestions? Peter Olsen Ae.E., P.E. (Maryland License 12283) P.O. Box 410, Simpsonville, MD 21150 "Engineering is the art of using a professional knowledge of mathematics and the physical sciences to improve the quality of life." From bkc@murkworks.com Sun Jul 20 22:40:10 2003 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:40:10 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] Using the PPC / Networking in PythonCE? In-Reply-To: <012b01c34f03$231c76b0$0301a8c0@waldo> Message-ID: <3F1AD3F9.496.73D8911@localhost> On 20 Jul 2003 at 17:08, Peter Olsen wrote: > Now, the package would become even more useful if I could only > access the PPC's network connections from PythonCE. I haven't > figured out how to do this. Does anyone have any suggestions? Which networking functions? Windows networking, aka file sharing, or TCP/IP? -- Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax http://www.wecanstopspam.org/ AOL-IM: BKClements From bkc@murkworks.com Tue Jul 22 13:58:58 2003 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:58:58 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] Re: Console output for PythonCE In-Reply-To: <200307220134.h6M1YtuS000383@ns1.foothill.net> Message-ID: <3F1CF70F.31793.4CE9ADF0@localhost> On 21 Jul 2003 at 19:05, dstocks@Foothill.Net wrote: > I have just become familiar with your Python port for PocketPC. Thanks for the > great work! I would really love to have console output from scripts run from > the command line. I am using a very nice console device driver called > PocketConsolse. Check it out at http://www.symbolictools.de in combination > with Microsoft's CMD.EXE > > Any ideas on how to get stdout directed to the console when run from the > PocketConsole command line? You might get more feedback posting this on the list. This reply also goes to the pythonce list. I suppose you could create an extension module that talks to the console device driver, then hook that up to sys.stdout and sys.stdin. -- Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax http://www.wecanstopspam.org/ AOL-IM: BKClements From JWellington@wbta.org Tue Jul 22 14:36:39 2003 From: JWellington@wbta.org (Jim Wellington) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:36:39 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] Quick question. Message-ID: <200307221336.h6MDapN26256@elton.siteprotect.com> --Boundary.generator.IPWorks.v5.MIME.200307222133639.3498794736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you help? I am trying to find a good list broker and also need some email appending done. I did a quick search and understand that you provide or might be able to refer me to a good provider. Can you take a second to add this information to our supplier database? I will then follow-up and contact that person. Below is the form. Thank you in advance. Regards, Jim Wellington WBTA "The national association of CEOs and Training Executives" JWellington@wbta.org www.wbta.org IMPORTANT: FIRST OPEN THIS MESSAGE IN A NEW WINDOW (OUTLOOK PREVIEW PANE NOT RECOMMENDED) Service: List Broker Email Appending Other First: Last: Company: Email: Web Site: Phone: --Boundary.generator.IPWorks.v5.MIME.200307222133639.3498794736 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you help? I am trying to find a good list broker and also need some email appending done. I did a quick search and understand that you provide or might be able to refer me to a good provider. Can you take a second to add this information to our supplier database? I will then follow-up and contact that person. Below is the form. Thank you in advance.
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