From zwiskle@vol.at Tue Apr 2 19:21:01 2002 From: zwiskle@vol.at (klemens zwischenbrugger) Date: 02 Apr 2002 21:21:01 +0200 Subject: [PythonCE] GUI for pythonCE ? Message-ID: <1017775261.840.82.camel@julia> --=-0V4C4gD6w0Sba8H1oR77 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 i've installed PythonCE on my IPAQ. Quite cool, but I wana do is something with a GUI. =20 Which GUI's are available ? ( wxWindows which I would prefere isn't ) =20 Does it make sense to use a HTML GUI with CGI?=20 =20 best regards, .klemens --=-0V4C4gD6w0Sba8H1oR77 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8qgSct7zIk5vPVfYRAluYAJ9mSeH43GSczEDyG9aMu0A4FYhlMwCfQzIc B1cgaW4rJKatKqfzExTXQPA= =l9oX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-0V4C4gD6w0Sba8H1oR77-- From bkc@murkworks.com Tue Apr 2 19:42:08 2002 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:42:08 -0500 Subject: [PythonCE] GUI for pythonCE ? In-Reply-To: <1017775261.840.82.camel@julia> Message-ID: <3CA9C344.23248.14089459@localhost> On 2 Apr 2002 at 21:21, klemens zwischenbrugger wrote: > Which GUI's are available ? ( wxWindows which I would prefere isn't Would be nice if you'd port wxWindows.. I'd really like to have it. > Does it make sense to use a HTML GUI with CGI? I think this would be slow. You can use all the win32gui functions.. Dialog boxes and so forth. Basically anything you had from windows 3.1 Most code that runs on desktop windows works on CE. Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax AOL-IM: BKClements From bkc@murkworks.com Wed Apr 3 13:55:07 2002 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:55:07 -0500 Subject: [PythonCE] Re: iPAQ Python In-Reply-To: <000d01c1daed$8015c820$0c04a8c0@TERMINATOR> Message-ID: <3CAAC371.27237.17F14269@localhost> On 3 Apr 2002 at 10:56, ThomasDerflinger wrote: > Thanks for the great idea of porting Python to PocketPC. But is there a = possibility to actually install > most of the python files on CF-card, since it=B4s 7 MB in size. I have o= nly 32MB main memory iPAQ. > I'm CC:'ing the pythonce list in my response. Yes, you should be able to put everything in /Storage/Python .. Python CE still doesn't look at the registry (this has to be fixed), so it= has the following built-in python path: "\\Program Files\\Python;\\Program Files\\Python\\lib;\\Storage Card\\Pyth= on;\\Storage Card\\Python\\lib" You should be able to put everything from Windows and \Windows\Start Menu = and \Program Files\Python into \Storage\Python However I'm not sure how you'd launch it, you'll have to make your own sho= rtcut. Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax AOL-IM: BKClements From ortega@hsdrs.com Thu Apr 4 14:14:14 2002 From: ortega@hsdrs.com (Luis Ortega) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:14:14 -0500 Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3 Message-ID: <000301c1dbe2$fff1e7e0$0e00000a@ortega-lt.ortega> I have a Jornada 548 which has a SH3 and I wonder what it would take to get Python compiled for the SH3. I would not mind doing it if I could get some hints as to how to do it. I downloaded the embedded development kit which I think includes C++. Any help this way? From bkc@murkworks.com Thu Apr 4 14:42:43 2002 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:42:43 -0500 Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3 In-Reply-To: <000301c1dbe2$fff1e7e0$0e00000a@ortega-lt.ortega> Message-ID: <3CAC1BDF.20622.1D4335BA@localhost> On 4 Apr 2002 at 9:14, Luis Ortega wrote: > I have a Jornada 548 which has a SH3 and I wonder what it would take to get > Python compiled for the SH3. I would not mind doing it if I could get some > hints as to how to do it. I downloaded the embedded development kit which I > think includes C++. What form factor is that? Is that Pocket PC, CE 3.0 or later? Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax AOL-IM: BKClements From lortega@intec.edu Fri Apr 5 06:33:31 2002 From: lortega@intec.edu (Luis Ortega) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:33:31 -0500 Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3 In-Reply-To: <3CAC1BDF.20622.1D4335BA@localhost> Message-ID: <000301c1dc6b$cdc844b0$07001e0a@ortega-lt.dudi> It is a Pocket PC w/32 MB Ram. Win CE Version 3 (build 9357) Hope this is good enough info. > > I have a Jornada 548 which has a SH3 and I wonder what it would > What form factor is that? Is that Pocket PC, CE 3.0 or later? > > Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 From whought@earthlink.net Tue Apr 9 04:52:30 2002 From: whought@earthlink.net (Wade Hought) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:52:30 -0700 Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3 Message-ID: <02c101c1df79$f8df38a0$6501a8c0@superv> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02BE_01C1DF3F.4C5EF5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd be interested as well. I have a bunch of the 430se Jornadas that I = inherited from a company going out of business. They're all WinCE 2.11 (build = 9015). I have embedded visual C++ 3.0, and have written C++ code for the 430se in the past. It would be worth the time as long as there isn't too much = that is built specifically for the newer windows versions (PPC / wince 3+) Wade Hought AOL-IM: whought ------=_NextPart_000_02BE_01C1DF3F.4C5EF5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_02BE_01C1DF3F.4C5EF5F0-- From bkc@murkworks.com Tue Apr 9 16:21:30 2002 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:21:30 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3 In-Reply-To: <02c101c1df79$f8df38a0$6501a8c0@superv> Message-ID: <3CB2CA95.12220.144E0009@localhost> On 8 Apr 2002 at 20:52, Wade Hought wrote: > I'd be interested as well. I have a bunch of the 430se Jornadas that I > inherited from a company going out of business. They're all WinCE 2.11 > (build 9015). > > I have embedded visual C++ 3.0, and have written C++ code for the 430se in > the past. It would be worth the time as long as there isn't too much that > is built specifically for the newer windows versions (PPC / wince 3+) The big issue here is that its CE 2.11, not CE 3.0, so you'll have to resurrect the c runtime library stuff. Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax AOL-IM: BKClements From gord@sentai.com Tue Apr 9 17:50:09 2002 From: gord@sentai.com (Gordon Derk) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:50:09 -0600 Subject: [PythonCE] Total newbie question Message-ID: We have a project for which we are considering the Ipaq product with an add-on from Symbol. The add-on unit gives us access to an 802.11b LAN and a bar-code scanner. Is it possible with PythonCE to create an application that runs on this platform and gives me access to TCP-IP sockets for host communication over the 802.11b LAN? What windowing systems are supported by PythonCE on the pocketPC? We will have several GUI forms that would be filled in and then transmitted to the host. Gordon Derk Sentai Advanced Research Corp #300 - 10509 - 81 Ave Edmonton, Alberta Canada, T6E 1X7 Office 780.423.3113 x 235 Fax 780.425.8003 Cell 780.699.5522 From Emile van Sebille" Message-ID: <1c9001c1dfe8$64268fa0$0a06a8c0@FENX.COM> From: "Gordon Derk" > We have a project for which we are considering the Ipaq product with an > add-on from Symbol. The add-on unit gives us access to an 802.11b LAN and a > bar-code scanner. > > Is it possible with PythonCE to create an application that runs on this > platform and gives me access to TCP-IP sockets for host communication over > the 802.11b LAN? > > What windowing systems are supported by PythonCE on the pocketPC? We will > have several GUI forms that would be filled in and then transmitted to the > host. > > Out of curiosity, did you consider the Intermec Noarand 60x/70x ? I've got a couple of upcoming projects and have just about opted for these, although the potential of 802.11b for at least two of these projects could be interesting -- interactive validation and non-cradle based updating... hmm... Sorry I can't help with the PythonCE questions -- I'm just starting down that path myself... -- Emile van Sebille emile@fenx.com --------- From whought@earthlink.net Tue Apr 9 18:56:20 2002 From: whought@earthlink.net (Wade Hought) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:56:20 -0700 Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3 References: <3CB2CA95.12220.144E0009@localhost> Message-ID: <031401c1dfef$dac4c170$6501a8c0@superv> > The big issue here is that its CE 2.11, not CE 3.0, so you'll have to resurrect the c > runtime library stuff. > > If you have time for a couple questions and a few pointers along the way, I'll take a shot. 1. Do you have Embedded Visual C++ project files that work against the Python cvs tree, or do you build in another way? 2. By resurrecting the crt library, do you mean updating SWIG-type code to wrap the crt? If so, is there an old set of SWIG definitions to start from? Thanks, Wade From bkc@murkworks.com Tue Apr 9 19:37:06 2002 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:37:06 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] Total newbie question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3CB2F86D.29397.15011483@localhost> On 9 Apr 2002 at 10:50, Gordon Derk wrote: > Is it possible with PythonCE to create an application that runs on this > platform and gives me access to TCP-IP sockets for host communication over > the 802.11b LAN? Yes. The current alpha release forgot to include socket support (doh!) but it's in the upcoming beta. > What windowing systems are supported by PythonCE on the pocketPC? We will > have several GUI forms that would be filled in and then transmitted to the > host. Built in support for win32 dialogs, as described in "Python programming on win32" from Mark Hammond. I'm still working to see wxWindows on the ipaq. There is indication from the wxWindows folks that someone has agreed to do it. However I've sent that person a message but gotten no response. Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax AOL-IM: BKClements From dgeranton@free.fr Wed Apr 10 10:46:23 2002 From: dgeranton@free.fr (FREE) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:46:23 +0200 Subject: [PythonCE] Does PythonCE run on 0x86 ? Message-ID: Hello, I want to put Python on WinCE 3.0 running on a AMD SC400 (486). Do you think it is possible ? Thanks. From bkc@murkworks.com Wed Apr 10 14:49:31 2002 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:49:31 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] Does PythonCE run on 0x86 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3CB40687.31489.19202839@localhost> On 10 Apr 2002 at 11:46, FREE wrote: > Hello, > > I want to put Python on WinCE 3.0 running on a AMD SC400 (486). > > Do you think it is possible ? > > Thanks. Anyone else have to rescue this message from their spam folder? What an unfortunate choice of domains and from name... -- Python 2.2 for CE runs under x86 emulation, so I see no reason why it would not work for the 486. Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax AOL-IM: BKClements From irix@mindspring.com Thu Apr 11 18:59:00 2002 From: irix@mindspring.com (irix@mindspring.com) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:59 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] New to pythonce Message-ID: Hello, I have a serious newbie question... How far behind the curve amI with a HP 320lx? presently I have PythonCE 1.5.1 installed. Is there any chance of upgrading to a newer release of Python? Steve From chessman@tux.org Fri Apr 19 14:29:39 2002 From: chessman@tux.org (Samuel S Chessman) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PythonCE] MIPSRel progress Message-ID: I have compiled the python2.2 wince sources supplied by Brad Clements with evc3.0 for MIPSRel and they seem to work on my Cassiopeia E125. Right now I am troubleshooting pywin32 for Pocket PC as it seems to be missing SIPINFO and SipGetInfo(), SHMENUBARINFO and SHCreateMenuBad(), and SHINITDLGINFO and SHInitDialog(). I am working with the win32all-146 release, which is different than the one Brad uses if I remember correctly. Is anyone aware if the missing ce support mentioned above has been wrapped with SWIG previously? The pcceshell.py script assumes this has been done. In any event, when I get something ready, I will post a zip file like Brad did for StrongArm, there must be people interested in a MIPS Pocket PC python. It would be a good thing if the changes make their way into the main tree. What is the status of the acceptance of wince changes into 2.2+? Certainly the changes to pywin32 would be of interest to someone. It looks like wince support is partially available, just needs more porting. -- Sam Chessman chessman (a) tux.org First do what's necessary, then what's possible, finally the impossible. From bkc@murkworks.com Fri Apr 19 15:26:03 2002 From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:26:03 -0400 Subject: [PythonCE] MIPSRel progress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3CBFECA1.7254.479AFF2D@localhost> On 19 Apr 2002 at 9:29, Samuel S Chessman wrote: > It would be a good thing if the changes make their way into the main tree. > What is the status of the acceptance of wince changes into 2.2+? The most important patch (using macros for getting and setting Errno()) hasn't been accepted or rejected. It's just sitting there. I've made a few posts about it, but it's like no one is home.. must be busy. Perhaps someone else can ask that it be moved along. [ 505846 ] pyport.h, Wince and errno getter/setter http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=505846&group_id=5470&atid=305470 Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax AOL-IM: BKClements From ward@mit.edu Fri Apr 19 15:23:56 2002 From: ward@mit.edu (Steve Ward) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PythonCE] Total newbie question In-Reply-To: <3CB2F86D.29397.15011483@localhost> (bkc@murkworks.com) References: <3CB2F86D.29397.15011483@localhost> Message-ID: <200204191423.g3JENuP11649@catfish.lcs.mit.edu> Brad - re: Yes. The current alpha release forgot to include socket support (doh!) but it's in the upcoming beta. Any progress toward a release with working sockets? Thanks, Steve From rob@arkham.com.ar Sat Apr 20 21:38:01 2002 From: rob@arkham.com.ar (Roberto Etcheverry) Date: 20 Apr 2002 20:38:01 -0000 Subject: [PythonCE] Python CE for SH3 Message-ID: <20020420203801.7185.qmail@borges.decode.com.ar> I tried to compile PythonCE but I couldn't make it work. Which steps should I follow? I've got a Jornada 540 and an Ipaq and would like to see Python running on the Jornada. From chessman@tux.org Tue Apr 23 21:44:48 2002 From: chessman@tux.org (Samuel S Chessman) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PythonCE] MIPSRel pyce zip file available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An ALPHA version of pyce for MIPS is available at http://www.tux.org/pub/tux/pyce/PPCPythonR2MIPS.zip or ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/tux/pyce/PPCPythonR2MIPS.zip Please be aware that this is not supported in any way by anyone including me, and you're on your own. (YOYO). This is based on the python2.2 wince sources and ZIPfile supplied by Brad Clements and is installed in the same way. See the release notes at http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PocketPCPython/PPCPythonR2Notes Note that the PyWin32 used in this zip file is version win32all-146 and not the same as in the strongarm version. This has worked for me on my Cassiopeia E125, for simple python commands. No extensive testing has been attempted. Various shortcomings with the shell application have been noted. Thanks to Brad for making the source changes available, and to Mark Hammond for pywin32. If anyone has success with this, please post to the list. Sam Chessman -- Sam Chessman chessman (a) tux.org First do what's necessary, then what's possible, finally the impossible. From Thomas.Buschhardt@iac-Leipzig.de Wed Apr 24 09:35:35 2002 From: Thomas.Buschhardt@iac-Leipzig.de (Buschhardt, Thomas) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:35:35 +0200 Subject: [PythonCE] MIPSRel pyce zip file available Message-ID: <8595261DE5DE744ABCC21F1AE51ADB6C099E3C@iac-mail.iac-leipzig.de> This message is in MIME format. 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Brad Clements, I have updated the python ce MIPS zipfile on tux.org to support the pcceshell.py provided with the stongARM zip. The previous version of pcceshell.py was just ceshell.py, which worked after a fashion, with no support for Pocket PC specific screens. This means the display handles resizing for the soft input panel, and the top lines are now visable in the shell application. To update a previous download of PPCPythonR2MIPS.zip, fetch win32gui.pyd, pcceshell.py and PyWinTypes22.dll from tux.org:/pub/tux/pyce and replace the old versions of these files on your Pocket PC. PyWinTypes22.dll goes in /Windows/ win32gui.pyd goes in /Program Files/Python pccesshell.py goes in /Program Files/Python/Lib PPCPythonR2MIPS.zip has been renamed to PPCPythonR2MIPS-0.zip and will be purged in May. A new zipfile with the updates included is available at http://www.tux.org/pub/tux/pyce/PPCPythonR2MIPS-1.zip or ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/tux/pyce/PPCPythonR2MIPS-1.zip Please be aware that this is not supported in any way by anyone including me, and you're on your own. (YOYO). This is based on the python2.2 wince sources and ZIPfile supplied by Brad Clements and is installed in the same way. See the release notes at http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PocketPCPython/PPCPythonR2Notes Note that PyWin32 used in this zip file is from version win32all-146 and may not be the same as the strongarm version. This works for me on my Cassiopeia E125. More extensive testing is planned. Various shortcomings with the shell application have been noted. For example, raw_input is not enabled in pcceshell.py; read the yahoo archives for more about this. Thanks to Brad for making the win32gui.i source changes available. If anyone has success with this, please post to the list. Sam Chessman -- Sam Chessman chessman (a) tux.org First do what's necessary, then what's possible, finally the impossible. From oliver_toelker@gmx.net Thu Apr 25 17:30:17 2002 From: oliver_toelker@gmx.net (oliver_toelker@gmx.net) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:30:17 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PythonCE] win32gui.py and win32event.py Message-ID: <22090.1019752217@www26.gmx.net> Hi guys, where would I find documentation for these two ? Is there any COM support under pythonCE ? Cheers, Oliver From chessman@tux.org Thu Apr 25 22:14:28 2002 From: chessman@tux.org (Samuel S Chessman) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PythonCE] win32gui.py and win32event.py Message-ID: These are PyWin32 wrapped MS libraries. For the CE specific detail start at msdn; I like to use the (unintelligble) url: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/shared/deeptree/asp/deeptreedl.asp?dtcfg=/library/deeptreeconfig.xml&id=wcesdkr2&xmlsrc=/library/en-us/toc/wcesdkr/wcesdkr2_.xml but you need to understand PyWin32 and how it wraps the ms libraries for this to make sense. The two SWIG files win32gui.i and win32event.i contain a lot of detail on what has been wrapped, and how to use it. They both have documentation strings and when PyWin32 is built, generate some api documentation. This is really a PyWin question, which Mark Hammond has answered thusly: >> I don't have experiences with win32gui ! Which documentation (or good >> and simple examples) exist ? The help file with Windows distribution >> don't give the parameters, nor example ! > >msdn.microsoft.com documents this in far more detail than you could have >hoped or ever wanted > >Mark. I don't know about COM. Sam -- Sam Chessman chessman (a) tux.org First do what's necessary, then what's possible, finally the impossible.