From zwiskle@vol.at Tue Apr 2 19:21:01 2002
From: zwiskle@vol.at (klemens zwischenbrugger)
Date: 02 Apr 2002 21:21:01 +0200
Subject: [PythonCE] GUI for pythonCE ?
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Hi all,
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i've installed PythonCE on my IPAQ.
Quite cool, but I wana do is something with a GUI.
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Which GUI's are available ? ( wxWindows which I would prefere isn't
)
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Does it make sense to use a HTML GUI with CGI?=20
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best regards,
.klemens
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From bkc@murkworks.com Tue Apr 2 19:42:08 2002
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:42:08 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] GUI for pythonCE ?
In-Reply-To: <1017775261.840.82.camel@julia>
Message-ID: <3CA9C344.23248.14089459@localhost>
On 2 Apr 2002 at 21:21, klemens zwischenbrugger wrote:
> Which GUI's are available ? ( wxWindows which I would prefere isn't
Would be nice if you'd port wxWindows.. I'd really like to have it.
> Does it make sense to use a HTML GUI with CGI?
I think this would be slow.
You can use all the win32gui functions.. Dialog boxes and so forth. Basically anything
you had from windows 3.1
Most code that runs on desktop windows works on CE.
Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax
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From bkc@murkworks.com Wed Apr 3 13:55:07 2002
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:55:07 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Re: iPAQ Python
In-Reply-To: <000d01c1daed$8015c820$0c04a8c0@TERMINATOR>
Message-ID: <3CAAC371.27237.17F14269@localhost>
On 3 Apr 2002 at 10:56, ThomasDerflinger wrote:
> Thanks for the great idea of porting Python to PocketPC. But is there a =
possibility to actually install
> most of the python files on CF-card, since it=B4s 7 MB in size. I have o=
nly 32MB main memory iPAQ.
>
I'm CC:'ing the pythonce list in my response.
Yes, you should be able to put everything in /Storage/Python ..
Python CE still doesn't look at the registry (this has to be fixed), so it=
has the following
built-in python path:
"\\Program Files\\Python;\\Program Files\\Python\\lib;\\Storage Card\\Pyth=
on;\\Storage
Card\\Python\\lib"
You should be able to put everything from Windows and \Windows\Start Menu =
and
\Program Files\Python into \Storage\Python
However I'm not sure how you'd launch it, you'll have to make your own sho=
rtcut.
Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000
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From ortega@hsdrs.com Thu Apr 4 14:14:14 2002
From: ortega@hsdrs.com (Luis Ortega)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:14:14 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3
Message-ID: <000301c1dbe2$fff1e7e0$0e00000a@ortega-lt.ortega>
I have a Jornada 548 which has a SH3 and I wonder what it would take to get
Python compiled for the SH3. I would not mind doing it if I could get some
hints as to how to do it. I downloaded the embedded development kit which I
think includes C++.
Any help this way?
From bkc@murkworks.com Thu Apr 4 14:42:43 2002
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:42:43 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3
In-Reply-To: <000301c1dbe2$fff1e7e0$0e00000a@ortega-lt.ortega>
Message-ID: <3CAC1BDF.20622.1D4335BA@localhost>
On 4 Apr 2002 at 9:14, Luis Ortega wrote:
> I have a Jornada 548 which has a SH3 and I wonder what it would take to get
> Python compiled for the SH3. I would not mind doing it if I could get some
> hints as to how to do it. I downloaded the embedded development kit which I
> think includes C++.
What form factor is that? Is that Pocket PC, CE 3.0 or later?
Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax
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From lortega@intec.edu Fri Apr 5 06:33:31 2002
From: lortega@intec.edu (Luis Ortega)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:33:31 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3
In-Reply-To: <3CAC1BDF.20622.1D4335BA@localhost>
Message-ID: <000301c1dc6b$cdc844b0$07001e0a@ortega-lt.dudi>
It is a Pocket PC w/32 MB Ram. Win CE Version 3 (build 9357)
Hope this is good enough info.
> > I have a Jornada 548 which has a SH3 and I wonder what it would
> What form factor is that? Is that Pocket PC, CE 3.0 or later?
>
> Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000
From whought@earthlink.net Tue Apr 9 04:52:30 2002
From: whought@earthlink.net (Wade Hought)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:52:30 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3
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I'd be interested as well. I have a bunch of the 430se Jornadas that I =
inherited
from a company going out of business. They're all WinCE 2.11 (build =
9015).
I have embedded visual C++ 3.0, and have written C++ code for the 430se
in the past. It would be worth the time as long as there isn't too much =
that
is built specifically for the newer windows versions (PPC / wince 3+)
Wade Hought
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all WinCE 2.11 (build 9015).
I have embedded visual C++ 3.0, and =
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in the past. It would be worth =
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From bkc@murkworks.com Tue Apr 9 16:21:30 2002
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:21:30 -0400
Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3
In-Reply-To: <02c101c1df79$f8df38a0$6501a8c0@superv>
Message-ID: <3CB2CA95.12220.144E0009@localhost>
On 8 Apr 2002 at 20:52, Wade Hought wrote:
> I'd be interested as well. I have a bunch of the 430se Jornadas that I
> inherited from a company going out of business. They're all WinCE 2.11
> (build 9015).
>
> I have embedded visual C++ 3.0, and have written C++ code for the 430se in
> the past. It would be worth the time as long as there isn't too much that
> is built specifically for the newer windows versions (PPC / wince 3+)
The big issue here is that its CE 2.11, not CE 3.0, so you'll have to resurrect the c
runtime library stuff.
Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax
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From gord@sentai.com Tue Apr 9 17:50:09 2002
From: gord@sentai.com (Gordon Derk)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:50:09 -0600
Subject: [PythonCE] Total newbie question
Message-ID:
We have a project for which we are considering the Ipaq product with an
add-on from Symbol. The add-on unit gives us access to an 802.11b LAN and a
bar-code scanner.
Is it possible with PythonCE to create an application that runs on this
platform and gives me access to TCP-IP sockets for host communication over
the 802.11b LAN?
What windowing systems are supported by PythonCE on the pocketPC? We will
have several GUI forms that would be filled in and then transmitted to the
host.
Gordon Derk
Sentai Advanced Research Corp
#300 - 10509 - 81 Ave
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada, T6E 1X7
Office 780.423.3113 x 235
Fax 780.425.8003
Cell 780.699.5522
From Emile van Sebille"
Message-ID: <1c9001c1dfe8$64268fa0$0a06a8c0@FENX.COM>
From: "Gordon Derk"
> We have a project for which we are considering the Ipaq product with
an
> add-on from Symbol. The add-on unit gives us access to an 802.11b LAN
and a
> bar-code scanner.
>
> Is it possible with PythonCE to create an application that runs on
this
> platform and gives me access to TCP-IP sockets for host communication
over
> the 802.11b LAN?
>
> What windowing systems are supported by PythonCE on the pocketPC? We
will
> have several GUI forms that would be filled in and then transmitted to
the
> host.
>
>
Out of curiosity, did you consider the Intermec Noarand 60x/70x ? I've
got a couple of upcoming projects and have just about opted for these,
although the potential of 802.11b for at least two of these projects
could be interesting -- interactive validation and non-cradle based
updating... hmm...
Sorry I can't help with the PythonCE questions -- I'm just starting down
that path myself...
--
Emile van Sebille
emile@fenx.com
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From whought@earthlink.net Tue Apr 9 18:56:20 2002
From: whought@earthlink.net (Wade Hought)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:56:20 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Python for SH3
References: <3CB2CA95.12220.144E0009@localhost>
Message-ID: <031401c1dfef$dac4c170$6501a8c0@superv>
> The big issue here is that its CE 2.11, not CE 3.0, so you'll have to
resurrect the c
> runtime library stuff.
>
>
If you have time for a couple questions and a few pointers along the way,
I'll take a shot.
1. Do you have Embedded Visual C++ project files that work against
the Python cvs tree, or do you build in another way?
2. By resurrecting the crt library, do you mean updating SWIG-type code
to wrap the crt? If so, is there an old set of SWIG definitions to start
from?
Thanks,
Wade
From bkc@murkworks.com Tue Apr 9 19:37:06 2002
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:37:06 -0400
Subject: [PythonCE] Total newbie question
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <3CB2F86D.29397.15011483@localhost>
On 9 Apr 2002 at 10:50, Gordon Derk wrote:
> Is it possible with PythonCE to create an application that runs on this
> platform and gives me access to TCP-IP sockets for host communication over
> the 802.11b LAN?
Yes. The current alpha release forgot to include socket support (doh!) but it's in the
upcoming beta.
> What windowing systems are supported by PythonCE on the pocketPC? We will
> have several GUI forms that would be filled in and then transmitted to the
> host.
Built in support for win32 dialogs, as described in "Python programming on win32" from
Mark Hammond.
I'm still working to see wxWindows on the ipaq. There is indication from the
wxWindows folks that someone has agreed to do it. However I've sent that person a
message but gotten no response.
Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax
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From dgeranton@free.fr Wed Apr 10 10:46:23 2002
From: dgeranton@free.fr (FREE)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:46:23 +0200
Subject: [PythonCE] Does PythonCE run on 0x86 ?
Message-ID:
Hello,
I want to put Python on WinCE 3.0 running on a AMD SC400 (486).
Do you think it is possible ?
Thanks.
From bkc@murkworks.com Wed Apr 10 14:49:31 2002
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:49:31 -0400
Subject: [PythonCE] Does PythonCE run on 0x86 ?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <3CB40687.31489.19202839@localhost>
On 10 Apr 2002 at 11:46, FREE wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want to put Python on WinCE 3.0 running on a AMD SC400 (486).
>
> Do you think it is possible ?
>
> Thanks.
Anyone else have to rescue this message from their spam folder?
What an unfortunate choice of domains and from name...
--
Python 2.2 for CE runs under x86 emulation, so I see no reason why it would not work
for the 486.
Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax
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From irix@mindspring.com Thu Apr 11 18:59:00 2002
From: irix@mindspring.com (irix@mindspring.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:59 -0400
Subject: [PythonCE] New to pythonce
Message-ID:
Hello, I have a serious newbie question... How far behind the curve amI with a HP 320lx? presently I have PythonCE 1.5.1 installed. Is there any chance of upgrading to a newer release of Python?
Steve
From chessman@tux.org Fri Apr 19 14:29:39 2002
From: chessman@tux.org (Samuel S Chessman)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [PythonCE] MIPSRel progress
Message-ID:
I have compiled the python2.2 wince sources supplied by Brad Clements
with evc3.0 for MIPSRel and they seem to work on my Cassiopeia E125.
Right now I am troubleshooting pywin32 for Pocket PC as it seems to be
missing SIPINFO and SipGetInfo(), SHMENUBARINFO and SHCreateMenuBad(),
and SHINITDLGINFO and SHInitDialog(). I am working with the win32all-146
release, which is different than the one Brad uses if I remember correctly.
Is anyone aware if the missing ce support mentioned above has been wrapped
with SWIG previously? The pcceshell.py script assumes this has been done.
In any event, when I get something ready, I will post a zip file like
Brad did for StrongArm, there must be people interested in a MIPS Pocket PC
python.
It would be a good thing if the changes make their way into the main tree.
What is the status of the acceptance of wince changes into 2.2+?
Certainly the changes to pywin32 would be of interest to someone. It looks
like wince support is partially available, just needs more porting.
--
Sam Chessman chessman (a) tux.org
First do what's necessary, then what's possible, finally the impossible.
From bkc@murkworks.com Fri Apr 19 15:26:03 2002
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:26:03 -0400
Subject: [PythonCE] MIPSRel progress
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <3CBFECA1.7254.479AFF2D@localhost>
On 19 Apr 2002 at 9:29, Samuel S Chessman wrote:
> It would be a good thing if the changes make their way into the main tree.
> What is the status of the acceptance of wince changes into 2.2+?
The most important patch (using macros for getting and setting Errno()) hasn't been
accepted or rejected. It's just sitting there. I've made a few posts about it, but it's like no
one is home.. must be busy.
Perhaps someone else can ask that it be moved along.
[ 505846 ] pyport.h, Wince and errno getter/setter
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=505846&group_id=5470&atid=305470
Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000
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From ward@mit.edu Fri Apr 19 15:23:56 2002
From: ward@mit.edu (Steve Ward)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:23:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [PythonCE] Total newbie question
In-Reply-To: <3CB2F86D.29397.15011483@localhost> (bkc@murkworks.com)
References: <3CB2F86D.29397.15011483@localhost>
Message-ID: <200204191423.g3JENuP11649@catfish.lcs.mit.edu>
Brad - re:
Yes. The current alpha release forgot to include socket support (doh!) but it's in the
upcoming beta.
Any progress toward a release with working sockets?
Thanks,
Steve
From rob@arkham.com.ar Sat Apr 20 21:38:01 2002
From: rob@arkham.com.ar (Roberto Etcheverry)
Date: 20 Apr 2002 20:38:01 -0000
Subject: [PythonCE] Python CE for SH3
Message-ID: <20020420203801.7185.qmail@borges.decode.com.ar>
I tried to compile PythonCE but I couldn't make it work. Which steps should
I follow? I've got a Jornada 540 and an Ipaq and would like to see Python
running on the Jornada.
From chessman@tux.org Tue Apr 23 21:44:48 2002
From: chessman@tux.org (Samuel S Chessman)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:44:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [PythonCE] MIPSRel pyce zip file available
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
An ALPHA version of pyce for MIPS is available at
http://www.tux.org/pub/tux/pyce/PPCPythonR2MIPS.zip
or
ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/tux/pyce/PPCPythonR2MIPS.zip
Please be aware that this is not supported in any way by anyone
including me, and you're on your own. (YOYO).
This is based on the python2.2 wince sources and ZIPfile supplied by
Brad Clements and is installed in the same way. See the release notes at
http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PocketPCPython/PPCPythonR2Notes
Note that the PyWin32 used in this zip file is version win32all-146
and not the same as in the strongarm version.
This has worked for me on my Cassiopeia E125, for simple python commands.
No extensive testing has been attempted. Various shortcomings with the
shell application have been noted.
Thanks to Brad for making the source changes available, and to Mark Hammond
for pywin32. If anyone has success with this, please post to the list.
Sam Chessman
--
Sam Chessman chessman (a) tux.org
First do what's necessary, then what's possible, finally the impossible.
From Thomas.Buschhardt@iac-Leipzig.de Wed Apr 24 09:35:35 2002
From: Thomas.Buschhardt@iac-Leipzig.de (Buschhardt, Thomas)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:35:35 +0200
Subject: [PythonCE] MIPSRel pyce zip file available
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Thank you very much for that Interpreter :)
It running on my Cassiopeia EM 500
Some suggestions
- on my device I cannot see the first 3 lines (screenshot)
- copy & paste would be nice :) (u know these terrible keyboard)
- a=input('Test') give my an error
I think thats enough ;)
Bye
Thomas Buschhardt
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From chessman@tux.org Thu Apr 25 16:20:01 2002
From: chessman@tux.org (Samuel S Chessman)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:20:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [PythonCE] Updated pyceMIPS available
Message-ID:
Thanks to Brad Clements, I have updated the python ce MIPS zipfile on
tux.org to support the pcceshell.py provided with the stongARM zip.
The previous version of pcceshell.py was just ceshell.py, which worked
after a fashion, with no support for Pocket PC specific screens.
This means the display handles resizing for the soft input panel, and
the top lines are now visable in the shell application.
To update a previous download of PPCPythonR2MIPS.zip, fetch win32gui.pyd,
pcceshell.py and PyWinTypes22.dll from tux.org:/pub/tux/pyce and replace
the old versions of these files on your Pocket PC.
PyWinTypes22.dll goes in /Windows/
win32gui.pyd goes in /Program Files/Python
pccesshell.py goes in /Program Files/Python/Lib
PPCPythonR2MIPS.zip has been renamed to PPCPythonR2MIPS-0.zip and will
be purged in May.
A new zipfile with the updates included is available at
http://www.tux.org/pub/tux/pyce/PPCPythonR2MIPS-1.zip
or
ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/tux/pyce/PPCPythonR2MIPS-1.zip
Please be aware that this is not supported in any way by anyone
including me, and you're on your own. (YOYO).
This is based on the python2.2 wince sources and ZIPfile supplied by
Brad Clements and is installed in the same way. See the release notes at
http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PocketPCPython/PPCPythonR2Notes
Note that PyWin32 used in this zip file is from version win32all-146
and may not be the same as the strongarm version.
This works for me on my Cassiopeia E125. More extensive testing is planned.
Various shortcomings with the shell application have been noted.
For example, raw_input is not enabled in pcceshell.py; read the yahoo
archives for more about this.
Thanks to Brad for making the win32gui.i source changes available.
If anyone has success with this, please post to the list.
Sam Chessman
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Sam Chessman chessman (a) tux.org
First do what's necessary, then what's possible, finally the impossible.
From oliver_toelker@gmx.net Thu Apr 25 17:30:17 2002
From: oliver_toelker@gmx.net (oliver_toelker@gmx.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:30:17 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [PythonCE] win32gui.py and win32event.py
Message-ID: <22090.1019752217@www26.gmx.net>
Hi guys,
where would I find documentation for these two ? Is there any COM support
under pythonCE ?
Cheers,
Oliver
From chessman@tux.org Thu Apr 25 22:14:28 2002
From: chessman@tux.org (Samuel S Chessman)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:14:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [PythonCE] win32gui.py and win32event.py
Message-ID:
These are PyWin32 wrapped MS libraries. For the CE specific detail
start at msdn; I like to use the (unintelligble) url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/shared/deeptree/asp/deeptreedl.asp?dtcfg=/library/deeptreeconfig.xml&id=wcesdkr2&xmlsrc=/library/en-us/toc/wcesdkr/wcesdkr2_.xml
but you need to understand PyWin32 and how it wraps the ms libraries for
this to make sense.
The two SWIG files win32gui.i and win32event.i contain a lot of detail
on what has been wrapped, and how to use it. They both have documentation
strings and when PyWin32 is built, generate some api documentation.
This is really a PyWin question, which Mark Hammond has answered thusly:
>> I don't have experiences with win32gui ! Which documentation (or good
>> and simple examples) exist ? The help file with Windows distribution
>> don't give the parameters, nor example !
>
>msdn.microsoft.com documents this in far more detail than you could have
>hoped or ever wanted
>
>Mark.
I don't know about COM.
Sam
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Sam Chessman chessman (a) tux.org
First do what's necessary, then what's possible, finally the impossible.