From tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk  Sun Jan  1 07:41:11 2017
From: tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk (Tibs)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 12:41:11 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Next CamPUG meeting: Tue 10 Jan 2017
Message-ID: <5DF5FCB4-789D-49BF-B3B6-0561ED802339@tibsnjoan.co.uk>

Please note that the Cambridge Python User Group meeting for January 2017 will be a week later than nornal, on the 10th. The real first Tuesday in 2017 is just a bit too close to the New Year.

Physical computing with Python on Raspberry Pi

The Raspberry Pi platform has matured over the last few years and there's plenty of interesting physical computing opportunities with great Python libraries available. 

Join Ben Nuttall, Community Manager at the Raspberry Pi Foundation, for a practical session using GPIO, the camera module, the Sense HAT and more - all with your favourite programming language!
Afterwards, some people will undoubtedly go on to the pub.

Please note that we are now on meetup.com, at http://www.meetup.com/CamPUG/. If possible, please RSVP there for meetings so we have an idea of numbers. As an incentive, there's normally more detail about each meeting there, and you can also find out about future meetings.

Tweeting may occur at https://twitter.com/campython

Tibs

From hansel at interpretthis.org  Fri Jan 13 09:37:47 2017
From: hansel at interpretthis.org (Hansel Dunlop)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:37:47 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Looking for new work buddies
Message-ID: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Python friends!

The company I work for has had its most recent funding round delayed. So
they?ve had to cut costs. The upshot of which is that there are a bunch of
us who are looking for work. I've really enjoyed working with them and
wouldn't mind keeping the gang together.

Anyone out there looking to hire a whole team (2x Python backend, 3x Web
frontends)?

Or failing that just me. My resume's here
<https://www.interpretthis.org/static/resume-responsive.html>.


-- 

                                Hansel
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From glloyd at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 09:59:07 2017
From: glloyd at gmail.com (Gareth Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:59:07 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Looking for new work buddies
In-Reply-To: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANF1CfKB0PRuO0d=_=TJQSyLR-jxsrOsF-rb_yzcnQg09ZkFew@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hansel (and UK Python),

I'm afraid we're too small to hire all of you, but we are looking for one
or two enthusiastic developers. There's a description of the roles on
Python Jobs:

http://pythonjobs.github.io/jobs/Housekeep_Senior_Web_Developer.html

We would love to talk to back end devs, front end devs, and everything in
between.

All the best,

Gareth

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Hansel Dunlop <hansel at interpretthis.org>
wrote:

> Hello Python friends!
>
> The company I work for has had its most recent funding round delayed. So
> they?ve had to cut costs. The upshot of which is that there are a bunch of
> us who are looking for work. I've really enjoyed working with them and
> wouldn't mind keeping the gang together.
>
> Anyone out there looking to hire a whole team (2x Python backend, 3x Web
> frontends)?
>
> Or failing that just me. My resume's here
> <https://www.interpretthis.org/static/resume-responsive.html>.
>
>
> --
>
>                                 Hansel
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
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From me at adamj.eu  Fri Jan 13 10:09:18 2017
From: me at adamj.eu (Adam Johnson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:09:18 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Looking for new work buddies
In-Reply-To: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMyDDM3NmbzqjWznSZXVCUspFG2BObYK7omyhKJkGUAv-LdAVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hansel,

Idk if you remember me, but we met at the Django Meetup once or twice :)

We're currently looking for a Python developer at Time Out, a frontenders,
and a DevOps engineer (with python skills). The department may be tempted
to take more people though. If you send me a PDF of your CV (I daren't
format it myself) and those of your (hopefully interested) team mates, I
can put them into "the system".

Job specs for frontend:
http://corporate.admin.timeout.com/cms/cms_files/frontend_engineers_-_nov_16.pdf

And DevOps engineer:
https://timeout.peoplehr.net/Pages/JobBoard/Opening.aspx?v=2c25f6de-fa67-481c-a82b-01937dd01d18%20

Fwiw I and several others here came from YPlan which was acquired at the
end of last year. Our frontend is React and swishy: https://yplanapp.com/ .
I hear this might tempt some frontenders.

Thanks,

Adam

On 13 January 2017 at 14:37, Hansel Dunlop <hansel at interpretthis.org> wrote:

> Hello Python friends!
>
> The company I work for has had its most recent funding round delayed. So
> they?ve had to cut costs. The upshot of which is that there are a bunch of
> us who are looking for work. I've really enjoyed working with them and
> wouldn't mind keeping the gang together.
>
> Anyone out there looking to hire a whole team (2x Python backend, 3x Web
> frontends)?
>
> Or failing that just me. My resume's here
> <https://www.interpretthis.org/static/resume-responsive.html>.
>
>
> --
>
>                                 Hansel
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
>


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From alistair.broomhead at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 11:00:58 2017
From: alistair.broomhead at gmail.com (Alistair Broomhead)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:00:58 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Looking for new work buddies
In-Reply-To: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADocXU_kiA1QApd4_4MgzmDUBXe_yFX1_3B+Z3SyRA-Wi9T4nQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hansel,

I'm not sure if we can take a whole team, but we have vacancies at
Novastone. We're looking for people with full stack experience, preferably
with Angular + Flask but skills are obviously more important than
frameworks. Let me know if you're interested, and obviously feel free to
pass my email on to the rest of your team.

Al

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 14:38 Hansel Dunlop <hansel at interpretthis.org> wrote:

> Hello Python friends!
>
> The company I work for has had its most recent funding round delayed. So
> they?ve had to cut costs. The upshot of which is that there are a bunch of
> us who are looking for work. I've really enjoyed working with them and
> wouldn't mind keeping the gang together.
>
> Anyone out there looking to hire a whole team (2x Python backend, 3x Web
> frontends)?
>
> Or failing that just me. My resume's here
> <https://www.interpretthis.org/static/resume-responsive.html>.
>
>
> --
>
>                                 Hansel
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
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From andreprado88 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 11:21:21 2017
From: andreprado88 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFByYWRv?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:21:21 -0800
Subject: [python-uk] Looking for new work buddies
In-Reply-To: <CADocXU_kiA1QApd4_4MgzmDUBXe_yFX1_3B+Z3SyRA-Wi9T4nQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADocXU_kiA1QApd4_4MgzmDUBXe_yFX1_3B+Z3SyRA-Wi9T4nQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG=2wZdE==Sv66n3Js7w6cuThQ3V9USBKop0-WypkxTxKNLvzQ@mail.gmail.com>

You should have a look at opendesk. I've worked there for a year and a half
and really enjoyed it. They just went through a round of investment and are
hiring a team from the lead to the devs.

Cheers

On 13 Jan 2017 8:01 a.m., "Alistair Broomhead" <alistair.broomhead at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Hansel,
>
> I'm not sure if we can take a whole team, but we have vacancies at
> Novastone. We're looking for people with full stack experience, preferably
> with Angular + Flask but skills are obviously more important than
> frameworks. Let me know if you're interested, and obviously feel free to
> pass my email on to the rest of your team.
>
> Al
>
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 14:38 Hansel Dunlop <hansel at interpretthis.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Python friends!
>>
>> The company I work for has had its most recent funding round delayed. So
>> they?ve had to cut costs. The upshot of which is that there are a bunch of
>> us who are looking for work. I've really enjoyed working with them and
>> wouldn't mind keeping the gang together.
>>
>> Anyone out there looking to hire a whole team (2x Python backend, 3x Web
>> frontends)?
>>
>> Or failing that just me. My resume's here
>> <https://www.interpretthis.org/static/resume-responsive.html>.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>                                 Hansel
>> _______________________________________________
>> python-uk mailing list
>> python-uk at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
>
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From chris at forwardpartners.com  Fri Jan 13 11:23:58 2017
From: chris at forwardpartners.com (Chris Wilkinson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:23:58 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Looking for new work buddies
In-Reply-To: <CADocXU_kiA1QApd4_4MgzmDUBXe_yFX1_3B+Z3SyRA-Wi9T4nQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADocXU_kiA1QApd4_4MgzmDUBXe_yFX1_3B+Z3SyRA-Wi9T4nQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE-Y7ZrsgTiffAOStwPozx8BAN3722+GYRvgNEbg701UL-KVYg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hansel,

Sorry to hear that, and Limvirak only just joined - baptism of fire.

One of our portfolio companies (Patch) is hiring a CTO.

We're pretty bullish about their chances and the project, comp and equity
is attractive. Take a look at their story and the role here
<https://jobs.lever.co/hellopatch/fe0fdbdc-def6-4488-b3e2-ff75ce47886f>.

Hope that helps.

Thanks,

Chris


On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 16:01, Alistair Broomhead <
alistair.broomhead at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Hansel,
>
> I'm not sure if we can take a whole team, but we have vacancies at
> Novastone. We're looking for people with full stack experience, preferably
> with Angular + Flask but skills are obviously more important than
> frameworks. Let me know if you're interested, and obviously feel free to
> pass my email on to the rest of your team.
>
> Al
>
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 14:38 Hansel Dunlop <hansel at interpretthis.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Python friends!
>
> The company I work for has had its most recent funding round delayed. So
> they?ve had to cut costs. The upshot of which is that there are a bunch of
> us who are looking for work. I've really enjoyed working with them and
> wouldn't mind keeping the gang together.
>
> Anyone out there looking to hire a whole team (2x Python backend, 3x Web
> frontends)?
>
> Or failing that just me. My resume's here
> <https://www.interpretthis.org/static/resume-responsive.html>.
>
>
> --
>
>                                 Hansel
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
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From tartley at tartley.com  Sat Jan 14 21:04:56 2017
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 20:04:56 -0600
Subject: [python-uk] Looking for new work buddies
In-Reply-To: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ed95219-b44d-3a32-2c12-1472bd5a0189@tartley.com>

Sorry to hear that Hansel! For what it's worth: My otherwise wonderful 
London employer, antidote.me, under a new CTO's vision, is cutting back 
on remote developers, namely me. So, me too!

Race you!

     Jonathan


On 01/13/2017 08:37 AM, Hansel Dunlop wrote:
> Hello Python friends!
>
> The company I work for has had its most recent funding round delayed. 
> So they?ve had to cut costs. The upshot of which is that there are a 
> bunch of us who are looking for work. I've really enjoyed working with 
> them and wouldn't mind keeping the gang together.
>
> Anyone out there looking to hire a whole team (2x Python backend, 3x 
> Web frontends)?
>
> Or failing that just me. My resume's here 
> <https://www.interpretthis.org/static/resume-responsive.html>.
>
>
> -- 
>
>                                 Hansel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk

-- 
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Made out of meat.   +1 507-513-1101        twitter/skype: tartley

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From hansel at interpretthis.org  Sun Jan 15 04:30:25 2017
From: hansel at interpretthis.org (Hansel Dunlop)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 09:30:25 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Looking for new work buddies
In-Reply-To: <CAMyDDM3NmbzqjWznSZXVCUspFG2BObYK7omyhKJkGUAv-LdAVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6oqK_gAuxdMnE+pSxqsexcsdxdJ1w8GHQEfUQWABYhV5Sy+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMyDDM3NmbzqjWznSZXVCUspFG2BObYK7omyhKJkGUAv-LdAVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM6oqK--Tpm74AArO28K9g=J1R66aNkMqHHA=B4g6JbrQCBgpw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for getting in touch Adam.

I've saved my resume as a PDF and attached it. And I'll talk to the rest of
the team on Monday about sending through their details.

Cheers

Hansel



On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Adam Johnson <me at adamj.eu> wrote:

> Hi Hansel,
>
> Idk if you remember me, but we met at the Django Meetup once or twice :)
>
> We're currently looking for a Python developer at Time Out, a frontenders,
> and a DevOps engineer (with python skills). The department may be tempted
> to take more people though. If you send me a PDF of your CV (I daren't
> format it myself) and those of your (hopefully interested) team mates, I
> can put them into "the system".
>
> Job specs for frontend: http://corporate.admin.timeout.com/cms/cms_
> files/frontend_engineers_-_nov_16.pdf
>
> And DevOps engineer: https://timeout.peoplehr.net/Pages/JobBoard/
> Opening.aspx?v=2c25f6de-fa67-481c-a82b-01937dd01d18%20
>
> Fwiw I and several others here came from YPlan which was acquired at the
> end of last year. Our frontend is React and swishy: https://yplanapp.com/
> . I hear this might tempt some frontenders.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
> On 13 January 2017 at 14:37, Hansel Dunlop <hansel at interpretthis.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Python friends!
>>
>> The company I work for has had its most recent funding round delayed. So
>> they?ve had to cut costs. The upshot of which is that there are a bunch of
>> us who are looking for work. I've really enjoyed working with them and
>> wouldn't mind keeping the gang together.
>>
>> Anyone out there looking to hire a whole team (2x Python backend, 3x Web
>> frontends)?
>>
>> Or failing that just me. My resume's here
>> <https://www.interpretthis.org/static/resume-responsive.html>.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>                                 Hansel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> python-uk mailing list
>> python-uk at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Adam
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
>


-- 

                                Hansel
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From sophie.hendley at digvis.co.uk  Mon Jan 16 10:56:57 2017
From: sophie.hendley at digvis.co.uk (Sophie Hendley)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:56:57 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] New contract role- Farringdon/ London
Message-ID: <CAA5cwyULT-rTQH70P8pFmL6sR39LLMKY63YnaU_30BSUvCRRmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Slightly reluctant to post a new contract opportunity on here so be gentle
with me after the last time :). Hopefully this post will have enough info
for everyone to know I am not fishing.

I am searching for a *Full-stack contractor *to join a client of mine an
insurance start-up based in *Farringdon*. This is an urgent hire and you
will be the 4th edition to the tech team. The contract will run for
between *3-6
months* depending on the candidate. Daily rate is around *?450-550* a day
depending on your experience.

Experience required/Technology stack: Python, Django, ES6 and React to name
a few

If this peaks your interest please do drop me an email and we can arrange a
phone call to discuss in more detail.

Thanks,

Sophie

-- 


Sophie Hendley| Principal Consultant| Digital Vision

*M:* 07505145903

*E: *sophie.hendley at digvis.co.uk

*W:* www.digvis.co.uk

Sponsor me please!!!!- https://www.justgiving.com/sophiehendley/
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From prof.math at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 07:16:20 2017
From: prof.math at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?c2VydGHDpyBj?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:16:20 +0300
Subject: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new challenge?
Message-ID: <CABDirqYQfodLvzbLs8CoYEXwOKLsQ366pA7nWZ=HU09uGZoLqA@mail.gmail.com>

Talented Python Django Developer Edinburgh UK at Mercurytide
Are you looking for a new challenge?

Agency life getting you down? Fed up of office politics and out of touch
managers? Tired of being married to your desk?
Mercurytide is different!

- See more at:

https://www.djangojobs.net/jobs/666/talented-python-django-developer-edinburgh-uk-mercurytide/
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From leogarcia61 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 07:00:42 2017
From: leogarcia61 at gmail.com (Leo Garcia)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 12:00:42 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Cardiff Python Dojo
Message-ID: <CAKogSbwcDxrwX0gh5sJrUMj_oM5uRxkJRDf-Q_aPJqLHUJMQHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am looking to set up a regular Python Dojo in Cardiff, broadly following
the template of the London Python Dojo (http://ldnpydojo.org.uk/) to work
collaboratively on a short project in a relaxed social setting, finishing
up with code review and discussion.

I'd like to know if any Cardiff-based members of the mailing list would be
interested in attending this kind of event, so that I can get an idea of
numbers, and have any thoughts or suggestions on its format.

It would also be useful to know if any members of the list work for, or are
aware of, organisations who would be interested in hosting and/or
sponsoring an event like this (typically by providing the obligatory
beer/pizza and covering venue costs, with opportunities for promotion,
networking,
and hiring).

Cardiff has a well attended monthly Python meetup (http://www.pydiff.wales)
which has a presentation and discussion format. The Dojo's emphasis is on
improving your Python skills through coding with others, so while there'll
be a shared interest and audience with PyDiff, the meeting will be
different enough to avoid stepping on their toes!

I would look to hold the sessions monthly, and look at a wide range of
challenges from kata-style short exercises (e.g. http://cyber-dojo.org/),
to demonstrating good practice, writing web applications, data analysis
etc. and whichever topics are voted on by the group.

If you think you'd attend a Cardiff Python Dojo, or are interested in
sponsoring the meetups, please let me know either by replying here
or emailing cardiffpythondojo at gmail.com. Any suggestions on the format are
also welcome!

Thanks, and looking forward to hearing your thoughts,

Leo Garcia
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Wed Jan 25 06:52:51 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 11:52:51 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] PyData London 2017
Message-ID: <CAMofdRAyPDB6WiT+L42aUON2RpE1bVuW6ypvAV6AEt+ViacYRw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, everybody!

This is just a quick reminder that PyData London is coming. It will be held
at Bloomberg's London HQ on Finsbury Square (same venue as the last two
years) from 5-7 May.

The Call for Papers is now open at http://pydata.org/london2017/cfp/ and
closes at the end of February. We would love to have your submissions on
topics ranging from numerical algorithms to machine learning and covering
any topic of relevance.

A more chatty and full-featured description is given in Ian Ozsvald's blog
post at
http://ianozsvald.com/2017/01/20/pydatalondon-2017-conference-call-for-proposals-now-open/.
We'd love to welcome you to PyData London, and look forward to receiving
your proposals!

Steve Holden
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From a.grandi at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 11:52:33 2017
From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:52:33 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] PyData London 2017
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRAyPDB6WiT+L42aUON2RpE1bVuW6ypvAV6AEt+ViacYRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMofdRAyPDB6WiT+L42aUON2RpE1bVuW6ypvAV6AEt+ViacYRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEfxiG3PNkDfA6qBd183F-q54ycCHifTJbPES-qWyvX8VL=aqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steve,

maybe I'm a bit blind but.... where can I find informations about
registrations/tickets?

Cheers

On 25 January 2017 at 11:52, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
> Hi, everybody!
>
> This is just a quick reminder that PyData London is coming. It will be held
> at Bloomberg's London HQ on Finsbury Square (same venue as the last two
> years) from 5-7 May.
>
> The Call for Papers is now open at http://pydata.org/london2017/cfp/ and
> closes at the end of February. We would love to have your submissions on
> topics ranging from numerical algorithms to machine learning and covering
> any topic of relevance.
>
> A more chatty and full-featured description is given in Ian Ozsvald's blog
> post at
> http://ianozsvald.com/2017/01/20/pydatalondon-2017-conference-call-for-proposals-now-open/.
> We'd love to welcome you to PyData London, and look forward to receiving
> your proposals!
>
> Steve Holden
>
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Thu Jan 26 11:59:44 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:59:44 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] PyData London 2017
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References: <CAMofdRAyPDB6WiT+L42aUON2RpE1bVuW6ypvAV6AEt+ViacYRw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEfxiG3PNkDfA6qBd183F-q54ycCHifTJbPES-qWyvX8VL=aqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRB9mPMXJaT7ebfZVzVaN3GnRJTBW5oxXobTVowsuP3EzA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 4:52 PM, a.grandi at gmail.com <a.grandi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> maybe I'm a bit blind but.... where can I find informations about
> registrations/tickets?
>

I don't think tickets have gone on sale yet, Andrea, hence the absence of a
registration link. Watch this space ...

Steve Holden
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From rgammans at gammascience.co.uk  Thu Jan 26 12:14:17 2017
From: rgammans at gammascience.co.uk (Roger Gammans)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:14:17 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Short term contract role in rural kent.
Message-ID: <1485450857.18669.31.camel@gammascience.co.uk>

Hey,

It looks like I'm going to have to take 2-3 weeks compassionate leave
form the sometime in the second half of February. (The dates  haven't
been set yet.)

We don't have a great deal of slack in our schedule at the moment a so
I'm looking to see if I can take on someone for 3 -4 weeks (starting
before I go away for overlap) .

The skills set required would be based around Django and javascript,
although we also have some legacy CGI projects you may need to pick up
some various maintenance tasks on.? We use git as aour source control
and JIRA as our ticket tracker.

There is a team here for you to work with who have experience on the
stack as well, so you not only will I be available to call me (out of
hours only unfortunately), but there should be someone on-site for any
questions.

We are based in Pembury which is just outside Tunbridge Wells .

I'd be interesting in hearing form anyone who thinks they might b able
to help out.

-- 
Roger Gammans <rgammans at gammascience.co.uk>
Gamma Science

From m at funkyhat.org  Thu Jan 26 12:58:37 2017
From: m at funkyhat.org (Matt Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:58:37 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] London Python Dojo - February 2nd
Message-ID: <CAG93HwH6yauvCQ7rXQxpcRbyb6hoRrUzqSMdYF9-2bc9cGYHZQ@mail.gmail.com>

The next London Python dojo will be on Thursday the 2nd of February, hosted
by Government Digital Service, Aviation House, 125 Kingsway, London WC2B
6NH.

Arrive from 6:30pm for our usual mix of pizza and beer and socialising and
hacking and silliness.

For more details, and to register for a free ticket:

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-8-episode-6-tickets-31514862803

Hope to see you there!
-- 

--
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From John at understandingrecruitment.co.uk  Tue Jan 24 13:12:47 2017
From: John at understandingrecruitment.co.uk (John Thistlethwaite)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:12:47 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python Software Engineer - South London
Message-ID: <AM3PR06MB13137A602CB05895576A577BF3750@AM3PR06MB1313.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Good Afternoon Developers,

I am looking to speak with Python Software Developers who are based either in Central London for a number for a number of positions I have open at present, as well as a position based in the Croydon area for developers based within 30 minute drive of the location.

If anyone is currently interested in a new role and would like further information, please give me a call on 01727 228 257 or email me on john at understandingrecruitment.co.uk<mailto:john at understandingrecruitment.co.uk>

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John


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From John at understandingrecruitment.co.uk  Thu Jan 26 11:52:05 2017
From: John at understandingrecruitment.co.uk (John Thistlethwaite)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:52:05 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mid-Senior_Python_Engineer_-_Central_L?=
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Afternoon,

I am currently looking to speak with Python with Java developers who are open to new opportunities.

The company are a market leader in the scientific market and looking to bring on-board 10 Python with Java developers.

The company focus on agile working, give you the chance to explore a range of programming languages, from the heavily used Java and Python, to Scala, GoLang, C++ etc.

Offering ?50,000 - ?80,000 + 10% own project development time + Benefits.

It's a collaborative business where you will be straight in to working on different elements of the platform in one of the 7 teams they have running at the moment in different areas.

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From weissig at cgscope.co  Mon Jan 30 13:04:27 2017
From: weissig at cgscope.co (Yves Weissig)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:04:27 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Old Street based start-up looking for experienced full
 stack developers
Message-ID: <CAF72FSC4xK0hgCkdUuG4MAmmgQ+9F3Gg3HJAP1ArL-PA6-F-6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi fellow Pythonists,

We're a small tech and research start-up based on Old Street in London. We
just recently spun-off from a well-established consultancy, which has
specialised in corporate governance for well over a decade. We're currently
looking to expand our team with full stack developers, who thrive working
with Python, Django, Docker, Kubernetes and so on. If you think this sounds
like a good fit and wish to know more, then please check out the complete
job description here:

http://portfolio.cgscope.co/docs/cgscope-2016-job_description-mid-level_full_stack_developer.pdf

Feel free to forward this email or the PDF to anyone who would be
interested, and also check out our Stack Overflow profile:

http://stackoverflow.com/jobs/companies/cgscope.

If you're interested just drop us a line with your CV to hello at cgscope.co.

Cheers
Yves
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From joe.jolly at sartregroup.com  Tue Jan 31 06:20:25 2017
From: joe.jolly at sartregroup.com (Joe Jolly)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:20:25 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python Developer - London - REFPYCIT
Message-ID: <12d2f34026ea4fa0887b292e2e7bb5b1@sartregroup.com>

Hi all,

I wanted to make you aware of an experience python role I'm currently looking to fill in London, within the Quantitative finance space.

The role involves working in the Front Office as part of a globally-distributed team (Chicago, US/ Greenwich, US/ London, UK) for a leading hedge fund, in their commodities technology business.

The role involves greenfield redevelopment (in python) of their trading platform, using the scientific libraries (numpy, scipy, pandas etc.), as part of a global initiative to update their technology infrastructure.

Experience desired is between 4-10 years, developing full applications/platforms in python, not just scripting. There is a preference for someone with experience of working in finance (investment bank/hedge fund etc.), with commodities experience a plus.

Compensation is negotiable (and experience dependent) however my client generally offer a good increase on current base salary (20%+), and variable bonus in year 1 is also likely to very lucrative (25-50% of base salary).

Feel free to reply to me to ask for any additional questions, quoting 'REFPYCIT' in the email subject.

Kind regards,

Joe Jolly

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From tartley at tartley.com  Tue Jan 31 10:02:22 2017
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:02:22 -0600
Subject: [python-uk] Python services within existing .Net infrastructure
Message-ID: <57eeecc5-7dcb-b3ee-6475-e4afcf367a5b@tartley.com>

Hey all,

I'm joining a small company with an existing service-based 
infrastructure written in C# & F#, on Windows Server on AWS.

They want me to write some new services in Python. I'm wondering whether 
to host these Python services on Linux or on Windows.


In favour of Linux:

L1. I'm by far more familiar with Linux.

L2. Linux is Python's natural home. I expect the ecosystem to work at 
its best there.


In favour of Windows:

W1. I don't want to put up a barrier to the existing C# devs from 
working on the Python services because they don't have a Linux install. 
(although I guess this is circumvented by them using a VM)

W2. I don't want to cause a devops headache by introducing heterogeneous 
OS choices.

W3. As a specific example of W2, some places I've worked at have had 
local dev environments spin up all our services in VMs or containers on 
the local host, so we can system test across all services. I fear 
heterogeneous server OSes will make significantly harder to do. They 
also want me to lead the charge on this sort of test setup, so this is 
going to be my problem.

Thoughts welcome.

     Jonathan

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From tom at tatw.name  Tue Jan 31 10:52:36 2017
From: tom at tatw.name (Tom Wright)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:52:36 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python services within existing .Net infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <57eeecc5-7dcb-b3ee-6475-e4afcf367a5b@tartley.com>
References: <57eeecc5-7dcb-b3ee-6475-e4afcf367a5b@tartley.com>
Message-ID: <CAErUCppy8LrYNyq5c1Gz5yeca0VdhRcLkJP1cdkcUuYQas9vsA@mail.gmail.com>

If people on the internet agree with you does it help you win arguments :),
if so you should definitely use linux...

One potentially interesting alternative is the UNIX implementation on
windows 10. I've no experience, but would be interested in others'
(including yours).

I would throw two additional potentially important factors:

* Licensing for scaling and development (this is one of those annoying
human issues where you actually have to talk to people)

* Build-debug-modify cycle on development and deployment. Do this wrong and
people end up spending all their time reading reddit and feeling depressed.
VMs can really slow this stuff down.

On 31 Jan 2017 3:28 p.m., "Jonathan Hartley" <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm joining a small company with an existing service-based infrastructure
> written in C# & F#, on Windows Server on AWS.
>
> They want me to write some new services in Python. I'm wondering whether
> to host these Python services on Linux or on Windows.
>
>
> In favour of Linux:
>
> L1. I'm by far more familiar with Linux.
>
> L2. Linux is Python's natural home. I expect the ecosystem to work at its
> best there.
>
>
> In favour of Windows:
>
> W1. I don't want to put up a barrier to the existing C# devs from working
> on the Python services because they don't have a Linux install. (although I
> guess this is circumvented by them using a VM)
>
> W2. I don't want to cause a devops headache by introducing heterogeneous
> OS choices.
>
> W3. As a specific example of W2, some places I've worked at have had local
> dev environments spin up all our services in VMs or containers on the local
> host, so we can system test across all services. I fear heterogeneous
> server OSes will make significantly harder to do. They also want me to lead
> the charge on this sort of test setup, so this is going to be my problem.
>
> Thoughts welcome.
>
>     Jonathan
>
> --
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> Made out of meat.   +1 507-513-1101        twitter/skype: tartley
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue Jan 31 11:22:21 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:22:21 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python services within existing .Net infrastructure
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Hi Jonathan,

Congrats on the new role.

One thing I'd observe is that in my (outdated and limited) experience,
writing a windows service is much harder than writing a Linux daemon if it
has to acknowledge and interact with the desktop environment - see
https://lostechies.com/keithdahlby/2011/08/13/allowing-a-windows-service-to-interact-with-desktop-without-localsystem/,
for example. If things are easier nowadays, or if the service doesn't need
active management, I guess that won't count.

Back in the noughties I was a Windows user, and would frequently remind
people that Windows was an adequate platform on which to run open source
software. But I haven't used it now for about seven years.

Your point about the complexity of heterogeneous environments is a good
one. You might care to investigate the recent addition to Windows of bash
and friends, but of course if you asked the Windows devs to use it they
would in effect be migrating (a portion of) their skills to Linux. Some
will like the challenge, others will resent it.

I'm not sure I really understand the questions behind your final two bullet
points, so I will defer to those more perspicacious than I.

regards
 Steve

Steve Holden

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Tom Wright <tom at tatw.name> wrote:

> If people on the internet agree with you does it help you win arguments
> :), if so you should definitely use linux...
>
> One potentially interesting alternative is the UNIX implementation on
> windows 10. I've no experience, but would be interested in others'
> (including yours).
>
> I would throw two additional potentially important factors:
>
> * Licensing for scaling and development (this is one of those annoying
> human issues where you actually have to talk to people)
>
> * Build-debug-modify cycle on development and deployment. Do this wrong
> and people end up spending all their time reading reddit and feeling
> depressed. VMs can really slow this stuff down.
>
> On 31 Jan 2017 3:28 p.m., "Jonathan Hartley" <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm joining a small company with an existing service-based infrastructure
>> written in C# & F#, on Windows Server on AWS.
>>
>> They want me to write some new services in Python. I'm wondering whether
>> to host these Python services on Linux or on Windows.
>>
>>
>> In favour of Linux:
>>
>> L1. I'm by far more familiar with Linux.
>>
>> L2. Linux is Python's natural home. I expect the ecosystem to work at its
>> best there.
>>
>>
>> In favour of Windows:
>>
>> W1. I don't want to put up a barrier to the existing C# devs from working
>> on the Python services because they don't have a Linux install. (although I
>> guess this is circumvented by them using a VM)
>>
>> W2. I don't want to cause a devops headache by introducing heterogeneous
>> OS choices.
>>
>> W3. As a specific example of W2, some places I've worked at have had
>> local dev environments spin up all our services in VMs or containers on the
>> local host, so we can system test across all services. I fear heterogeneous
>> server OSes will make significantly harder to do. They also want me to lead
>> the charge on this sort of test setup, so this is going to be my problem.
>>
>> Thoughts welcome.
>>
>>     Jonathan
>>
>> --
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>> Made out of meat.   +1 507-513-1101        twitter/skype: tartley
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From akumria at acm.org  Tue Jan 31 11:26:53 2017
From: akumria at acm.org (Anand Kumria)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:26:53 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python services within existing .Net infrastructure
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I'd probably start with utilising setting up Linux VMs / containers but
make things available on Windows.

Keep in mind that .Net (and thus C#, F#) also run on Linux as well, and
those VMs / containers tend to be cheaper overall.

A


On 31/01/17 15:02, Jonathan Hartley wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm joining a small company with an existing service-based
> infrastructure written in C# & F#, on Windows Server on AWS.
>
> They want me to write some new services in Python. I'm wondering
> whether to host these Python services on Linux or on Windows.
>
>
> In favour of Linux:
>
> L1. I'm by far more familiar with Linux.
>
> L2. Linux is Python's natural home. I expect the ecosystem to work at
> its best there.
>
>
> In favour of Windows:
>
> W1. I don't want to put up a barrier to the existing C# devs from
> working on the Python services because they don't have a Linux
> install. (although I guess this is circumvented by them using a VM)
>
> W2. I don't want to cause a devops headache by introducing
> heterogeneous OS choices.
>
> W3. As a specific example of W2, some places I've worked at have had
> local dev environments spin up all our services in VMs or containers
> on the local host, so we can system test across all services. I fear
> heterogeneous server OSes will make significantly harder to do. They
> also want me to lead the charge on this sort of test setup, so this is
> going to be my problem.
>
> Thoughts welcome.
>
>     Jonathan
>


From wprins at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 11:46:19 2017
From: wprins at gmail.com (Walter Prins)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:46:19 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python services within existing .Net infrastructure
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Hi

To add to the other good avice that's been given:

You might want to look into NSSM, the Non Sucking Service Manager, to wrap
your python services into Windows services.
It makes it a doddle on Windows to wrap almost any application as a
service.  We have wrapped some node services and some other non-service
applications that should behave as services (that is to say, start at boot
time and so on) with good results.

NSSM homepage: https://nssm.cc/

Note: I see the project's certificate seems to have expired or
something since I last visited.  (I didn't get the certificate warning
previously when I last visited, so this seems likely just an omission.)

Walter Prins
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From tartley at tartley.com  Tue Jan 31 13:12:59 2017
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:12:59 -0600
Subject: [python-uk] Python services within existing .Net infrastructure
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Lots of good thoughts so far, thanks to everyone.

Anand, I deeply appreciate your contributions, but what exactly did you 
mean by: "set up Linux containers but make things available on Windows" ?


On 01/31/2017 10:26 AM, Anand Kumria wrote:
> I'd probably start with utilising setting up Linux VMs / containers but
> make things available on Windows.
>
> Keep in mind that .Net (and thus C#, F#) also run on Linux as well, and
> those VMs / containers tend to be cheaper overall.
>
> A
>
>
> On 31/01/17 15:02, Jonathan Hartley wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm joining a small company with an existing service-based
>> infrastructure written in C# & F#, on Windows Server on AWS.
>>
>> They want me to write some new services in Python. I'm wondering
>> whether to host these Python services on Linux or on Windows.
>>
>>
>> In favour of Linux:
>>
>> L1. I'm by far more familiar with Linux.
>>
>> L2. Linux is Python's natural home. I expect the ecosystem to work at
>> its best there.
>>
>>
>> In favour of Windows:
>>
>> W1. I don't want to put up a barrier to the existing C# devs from
>> working on the Python services because they don't have a Linux
>> install. (although I guess this is circumvented by them using a VM)
>>
>> W2. I don't want to cause a devops headache by introducing
>> heterogeneous OS choices.
>>
>> W3. As a specific example of W2, some places I've worked at have had
>> local dev environments spin up all our services in VMs or containers
>> on the local host, so we can system test across all services. I fear
>> heterogeneous server OSes will make significantly harder to do. They
>> also want me to lead the charge on this sort of test setup, so this is
>> going to be my problem.
>>
>> Thoughts welcome.
>>
>>      Jonathan
>>

-- 
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Made out of meat.   +1 507-513-1101        twitter/skype: tartley


From hansel at interpretthis.org  Tue Jan 31 17:49:27 2017
From: hansel at interpretthis.org (Hansel Dunlop)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 22:49:27 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python services within existing .Net infrastructure
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It should be possible to have your Python app/s in docker containers (which
can be run anywhere via VirtualBox or natively where available) and also
run your windows Dev VMs via VirtualBox. Then this setup can be replicated
across Mac/Linux/Win. That's your Dev environment. Then in production you
have servers running Windows, and servers running Linux with containers on
top. Vagrant will make this easyish on Dev and Ansible for
staging/production. It's not an uncommon setup. All Dev machines need a few
gigs of RAM.

I mean you basically said this in your question. But it's really quite
common. And would suit your Linux skills more. Scripting windows? I hear
it's almost possible now? ?

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 18:13 Jonathan Hartley, <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:

> Lots of good thoughts so far, thanks to everyone.
>
> Anand, I deeply appreciate your contributions, but what exactly did you
> mean by: "set up Linux containers but make things available on Windows" ?
>
>
> On 01/31/2017 10:26 AM, Anand Kumria wrote:
> > I'd probably start with utilising setting up Linux VMs / containers but
> > make things available on Windows.
> >
> > Keep in mind that .Net (and thus C#, F#) also run on Linux as well, and
> > those VMs / containers tend to be cheaper overall.
> >
> > A
> >
> >
> > On 31/01/17 15:02, Jonathan Hartley wrote:
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> I'm joining a small company with an existing service-based
> >> infrastructure written in C# & F#, on Windows Server on AWS.
> >>
> >> They want me to write some new services in Python. I'm wondering
> >> whether to host these Python services on Linux or on Windows.
> >>
> >>
> >> In favour of Linux:
> >>
> >> L1. I'm by far more familiar with Linux.
> >>
> >> L2. Linux is Python's natural home. I expect the ecosystem to work at
> >> its best there.
> >>
> >>
> >> In favour of Windows:
> >>
> >> W1. I don't want to put up a barrier to the existing C# devs from
> >> working on the Python services because they don't have a Linux
> >> install. (although I guess this is circumvented by them using a VM)
> >>
> >> W2. I don't want to cause a devops headache by introducing
> >> heterogeneous OS choices.
> >>
> >> W3. As a specific example of W2, some places I've worked at have had
> >> local dev environments spin up all our services in VMs or containers
> >> on the local host, so we can system test across all services. I fear
> >> heterogeneous server OSes will make significantly harder to do. They
> >> also want me to lead the charge on this sort of test setup, so this is
> >> going to be my problem.
> >>
> >> Thoughts welcome.
> >>
> >>      Jonathan
> >>
>
> --
> Jonathan Hartley    tartley at tartley.com    http://tartley.com
> Made out of meat.   +1 507-513-1101        twitter/skype: tartley
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From tartley at tartley.com  Tue Jan 31 23:25:29 2017
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 22:25:29 -0600
Subject: [python-uk] Python services within existing .Net infrastructure
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Thanks all.

Hansel - Thank you, that makes sense. I actually already do a mini 
version of that at the place I'm leaving, but devs are only using 
Linux/Mac host machines, and we only a Linux VM. It's reassuring to hear 
that sort of setup is still feasible when extended to Windows hosts, and 
Windows VMs too.

I'm tempted to reduce the number of dev configurations we need to 
maintain by just holding my nose and using a Windows laptop, same as 
everyone else, with a Linux VM on it. That way, I can easily replicate 
my setup on any other dev's machine if they want to get involved in the 
Python. Would get us up and running quicker, rather than figuring out 
every combo of host and VM OS. But maybe expand into doing the full 
monty you describe if there's ever more than just me who would like to 
work from Linux (or if I get sick of working in a VM the whole time)

     Jonathan



On 01/31/2017 04:49 PM, Hansel Dunlop wrote:
>
> It should be possible to have your Python app/s in docker containers 
> (which can be run anywhere via VirtualBox or natively where available) 
> and also run your windows Dev VMs via VirtualBox. Then this setup can 
> be replicated across Mac/Linux/Win. That's your Dev environment. Then 
> in production you have servers running Windows, and servers running 
> Linux with containers on top. Vagrant will make this easyish on Dev 
> and Ansible for staging/production. It's not an uncommon setup. All 
> Dev machines need a few gigs of RAM.
>
> I mean you basically said this in your question. But it's really quite 
> common. And would suit your Linux skills more. Scripting windows? I 
> hear it's almost possible now? ?
>
>
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 18:13 Jonathan Hartley, <tartley at tartley.com 
> <mailto:tartley at tartley.com>> wrote:
>
>     Lots of good thoughts so far, thanks to everyone.
>
>     Anand, I deeply appreciate your contributions, but what exactly
>     did you
>     mean by: "set up Linux containers but make things available on
>     Windows" ?
>
>
>     On 01/31/2017 10:26 AM, Anand Kumria wrote:
>     > I'd probably start with utilising setting up Linux VMs /
>     containers but
>     > make things available on Windows.
>     >
>     > Keep in mind that .Net (and thus C#, F#) also run on Linux as
>     well, and
>     > those VMs / containers tend to be cheaper overall.
>     >
>     > A
>     >
>     >
>     > On 31/01/17 15:02, Jonathan Hartley wrote:
>     >> Hey all,
>     >>
>     >> I'm joining a small company with an existing service-based
>     >> infrastructure written in C# & F#, on Windows Server on AWS.
>     >>
>     >> They want me to write some new services in Python. I'm wondering
>     >> whether to host these Python services on Linux or on Windows.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> In favour of Linux:
>     >>
>     >> L1. I'm by far more familiar with Linux.
>     >>
>     >> L2. Linux is Python's natural home. I expect the ecosystem to
>     work at
>     >> its best there.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> In favour of Windows:
>     >>
>     >> W1. I don't want to put up a barrier to the existing C# devs from
>     >> working on the Python services because they don't have a Linux
>     >> install. (although I guess this is circumvented by them using a VM)
>     >>
>     >> W2. I don't want to cause a devops headache by introducing
>     >> heterogeneous OS choices.
>     >>
>     >> W3. As a specific example of W2, some places I've worked at
>     have had
>     >> local dev environments spin up all our services in VMs or
>     containers
>     >> on the local host, so we can system test across all services. I
>     fear
>     >> heterogeneous server OSes will make significantly harder to do.
>     They
>     >> also want me to lead the charge on this sort of test setup, so
>     this is
>     >> going to be my problem.
>     >>
>     >> Thoughts welcome.
>     >>
>     >>      Jonathan
>     >>
>
>     --
>     Jonathan Hartley tartley at tartley.com <mailto:tartley at tartley.com>
>     http://tartley.com
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