[python-uk] DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK

Wed Apr 22 18:36:22 CEST 2015

Hey,

I haven't been doing much meetup lately but I always enjoyed the djugl..
organizing talk is hard (I think that the London Django meetup know well
about that) and I'm very thankful to Jon and his team to spend the time of
doing it. If they do that from interest, I'm 200% fine with that as the
result is a very well organized event which is very welcoming for newbie...
personally I never been poached or harass during the event, It was as
technical as any other meetup.

Considering that the events are not doing the same thing: informal pub
meetup and the other is doing talks ... I think that it's completely fine
of having both events the same week and people do what they are appeal to
or even both...

Now, people organizing python related event know the email of each other so
why not sending a courtesy email next time before planning your next event.
It will take you 5min and we will avoid this kind of thread about clashing
event which seems to annoy some people.

Thanks for both team: Djugl and London Django Meetup to organize events for
the community.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Phil Tysoe <philtysoe at gmail.com> wrote:

> In total agreement with Peter on this, I have been a long time attendee of DJUGL
> and have always found it hugely enjoyable and well organised, with varied
> and interesting talks.
>
> Thank Jon for your hard work, it is much appreciated.
>
> On 22 April 2015 at 15:55, Álex González <agonzalezro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi g(uy|irl)s,
>>
>> my 2 cents here.
>>
>> As a co-organiser of the Golang meetup I feel the pain of trying to find
>> sponsors for food, drinks & some place to host. I had sponsorship offers
>> from recruiters but I tried to avoid them for the exact reason that you
>> (Anand) are mention, but, let's be honest:
>>
>> I don't care who sponsors an event. This is a win-win kind of
>> relationship:
>>
>> - recruiters than at least show interest in the techs or in the people
>> around the tech will grow their network. I will definitely prefer to talk
>> to Jon about my next career movement than with somebody else that just know
>> Django as a keyword.
>> - we, as users of the tech are going to have a great event with dinner &
>> beer networking included.
>>
>> Said that, I understand that you can feel this event as a SPAM kind of
>> event, but it's not the case at all. In case that it was I would completely
>> agree with you & probably don't go to the DJUGL meetup again. But, I
>> repeat, it's not the case, it's just a win-win relation here.
>>
>> You are asking Jon why he doesn't join other meetups, perhaps he doesn't
>> want? I don't think that he needs to feel ashamed for that.
>>
>> I talked once in one of the DJUGLs and I said that my company was hiring,
>> Jon didn't even mention anything about that when he saw my slides in
>> advance.
>>
>> And finally, I also think that is a shame to have 2 events around the
>> same technology in the same day or even week. The time is limited and I try
>> to suit my calendar to 1 event per week and if I were interested in this 2
>> events I would feel sad that I couldn't assist to bot for time restrictions.
>>
>> Both of you do a great job organising your meetups, let's keep it and in
>> case that you can help each other, why not? At the end, the community will
>> be the one winning.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Álex González
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Jon Gould <j.gould at austinfraser.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Anand,
>>>
>>> There are some interesting points raised. I love that the Django
>>> community has grown so much in recent years. Likewise the number of events
>>> happening in London, each offering something different.
>>>
>>> One thing that I have always encouraged at DJUGL if for speakers to
>>> promote the fact that they are hiring especially as not everyone wants (or
>>> is able) to pay recruitment fees. This even includes my own existing
>>> clients.
>>>
>>> What purpose does DJUGL serve? great question. Would really be
>>> interested to see what the community thinks?
>>>
>>> As a long term sponsor, I inherited the running of DJUGL a 3 years or so
>>> ago as various people's workloads increased as they pursued new ventures.
>>> My own workload has increased (one of a few reason's the event hasn't
>>> happened) recently, which is why I feel it would be useful for other people
>>> to help out to keep it relevant.
>>>
>>> One thing that I am able to offer is a good knowledge of people working
>>> on interesting Python/Django projects and find unique speakers to give
>>> either lightning or longer talks.
>>>
>>> Granted I haven't been to many other Python events bar DJUGL, having a
>>> young family and working long hours doesn't always lend itself to giving up
>>> many evenings/weekends to attend meetups. The Python Dojo for example, has
>>> limited space and tickets normally go quickly, I wouldn't want to take the
>>> place there of someone who would actually be able to take part in the
>>> coding challenges.
>>>
>>> Happy to speak further on this and as always, I'm always open to wider
>>> feedback.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
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>>> On 22 April 2015 at 13:07, Anand Kumria <akumria at acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>
>>>> On 22/04/15 11:59, Jon Gould wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Moving forward, I'll be looking for a couple of additional people to
>>>> > help with the running of the event.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> If you feel you don't have the time / energy, why continue to run it?
>>>>
>>>> What particular need do you feel DJUGL is serving?
>>>>
>>>> > There seems to be a negative impression of DJUGL from some quarters
>>>> > based on it being solely run by a recruitment company, for those who
>>>> > know me this is something I have worked hard over the last 7 years to
>>>> > change the typical perception and become an active member of the
>>>> > Django community.
>>>>
>>>> I've never seen you come to a London Django meetup - that was the one
>>>> last night. Nor did I see you at any of the London Django coding
>>>> sessions; nor the (recent) Django sprint.
>>>>
>>>> No one expects you to come to every possible event but *only* going to
>>>> the ones that you put on indicates that your perception of the community
>>>> is limited. Particularly if you've not been able to over the last 7
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> The "negative impression" is something I've heard many times; a number
>>>> of speakers have resented that the fact that their presentation needed
>>>> to be "vetted" for recruitment statements and they felt obliged not to
>>>> say "we're hiring" in their presentations.
>>>>
>>>> > It's also a shame that there are several other Python/Django Meetups
>>>> > happening this week.
>>>>
>>>> You wrote me a email complaining about that, but *why* is it a shame?
>>>>
>>>> I think it is something to celebrate that London has a sufficiently
>>>> large Django community to be able to easily support two meetups during
>>>> the week.
>>>>
>>>> I know plenty of people who are going to both; it seems like a win for
>>>> the community to have choice.
>>>>
>>>> Anand
>>>>
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>>>>
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