From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Sep 1 10:42:09 2014 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 09:42:09 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Last chance to get "regular" tickets for PyconUK Message-ID: <54043161.100@ntoll.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, The deadline for "regular" rate tickets (?150) is fast approaching - it's this Friday! After Friday you'll only be able to purchase "last minute" tickets at ?200 each. If you intend coming to PyconUK (and why wouldn't you?) and you have not booked your ticket, may I suggest you do it *THIS WEEK*? Marvellous! Nicholas. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUBDFeAAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6szwH/2zuReLlQ2JZp3AwmzWMMsY9 anSebv6K7TkRPyTkG4/LIhwD9/itNT1v1eirC4GH0/zI9KsYoTph2GIr0GnYg7Uy l1JnoGjG1iydKQU+pQW0B9BUpmonm6R6k0ZMPhqyJ4KQMtvuvYDETFl0xOZsnCqT D8SMIc4d6AId1oRtYH4XMANurjS57N/aG3EAkOFkbyJ8J4JzPXIHjwdpTWA9THJF S7s3dVSsLGgKJZFl45/5rGZNBvz3i6Ok4BAWPy6DX6/cXJPIAKnmyxybrAXnekfI ZMnT7Vlv0TcZA5Ck1QQy0e6tdN+rSOL/fSVnkgbTonhm5yjchFn3N+7rQUviQFA= =QEsN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From russel at winder.org.uk Mon Sep 1 21:43:08 2014 From: russel at winder.org.uk (Russel Winder) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 20:43:08 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Last chance to get "regular" tickets for PyconUK In-Reply-To: <54043161.100@ntoll.org> References: <54043161.100@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <1409600588.22774.17.camel@winder.org.uk> On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 09:42 +0100, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > Hi, > > The deadline for "regular" rate tickets (?150) is fast approaching - > it's this Friday! > > After Friday you'll only be able to purchase "last minute" tickets at > ?200 each. If you intend coming to PyconUK (and why wouldn't you?) and > you have not booked your ticket, may I suggest you do it *THIS WEEK*? > > Marvellous! Apparently "marvellous" is not used in English, only "awesome". http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/why-marvellous-isnt-awesome-any-more On the other hand we are English which is marvellous, definitely not awesome. Actually I am at a loss to know what is actually awesome in this day and age. I used to think it was stuff like The Grand Canyon, but apparently anything from Hollywood or New York is now awesome. Language is such a fluid thing. Which is clearly awesome. -- Russel. ============================================================================= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder at ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel at winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder From harry.percival at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 20:13:44 2014 From: harry.percival at gmail.com (Harry Percival) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:13:44 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] hexagonal Django In-Reply-To: <53EE2EC3.60201@tartley.com> References: <50BE0CC8.2050601@tartley.com> <50C631B9.4050008@python.org> <50C9BBDC.5080705@tartley.com> <53EB51E9.1060504@tartley.com> <53EE2EC3.60201@tartley.com> Message-ID: This may be getting tenuous, but here's another example of what I think of as a "no-business-logic" app, and how we test-drove it: http://www.obeythetestinggoat.com/test-driving-a-docker-based-postgres-service-using-pytest.html Part of my blockage may come from the words "business logic" -- we don't have much in the way of "business rules" here, so maybe Brandon's definition -- business logic is all the stuff that can be expressed in purely functional terms, with no side-effects -- could help me... But even using that, so far all I've got is that we generate some paths on disks by concatenating some strings together with some constants, so that's really clutching at straws... On 15 August 2014 17:01, Jonathan Hartley wrote: > I think what you describe is a common situation. When I reorganised that > application in a Django project, that was one aspect that bugged some of my > coworkers. > > But I think there is potentially still some value there. The resulting one > line business functions create a well-defined seam between your app's > (slender) business logic and each of your interfaces to external systems. > That way, you make it easy for developers to avoid accidentally mixing > 'django' code into the same module as code which talks to ElasticSearch. > > If you already have the discipline to maintain great separation of > concerns (along these or other lines), which I'm guessing PythonAnywhere > still does, then perhaps you don't need this particular constraint to help > you maintain it. > > Is there also value in helping you plug in fake external services for > testing purposes? I believe there is, but again, I'm not sure this value is > greater than zero if you *already* have well thought-out mechanisms for > plugging in fake external systems. > > Jonathan > > > > > > On 15/08/14 11:22, Harry Percival wrote: > > Thanks Peter! I was speaking to Brandon at Pycon this year and he was > telling me this was going to be his next talk to take on the road, and I > was definitely looking forward to seeing it. Matt O'Donnell was also > there, and he's done a talk on this sort of thing recently too (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGhL7IA6Dik). It's definitely in the air. > > My own modest attempts to approach the subject are in my book -- in chapter > 19, where I show how striving for test isolation can (theoretically) push > you towards something like a lean architecture (http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000000754/ch19.html) and in > chapter 21, the wrap-up, where I waffle on about all these things (http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000000754/ch22.html) > > I don't think I managed to broach the subject nearly as cleanly as Brandon > did. I really admire his talks. His data structures talk was one of the > top 3 I saw at Pycon this year (http://pyvideo.org/video/2571/all-your-ducks-in-a-row-data-structures-in-the-s). > Perfect pace, slides that complement rather than repeat the talk, > fascinating and useful content... > > Anyways, back to our onions - I guess the thing that's always bothered me a > bit about the "clean architecture" is that my main project (pythonanywhere) > is "all boundaries", to use Gary Bernhardt's terminology. Or, to put it > differently, I don't think we really have much in the way of "business > logic". We just turn Http requests into commands that go to processes. > There's really not much in the way of "logic" in the way. No calculations > or business rules to speak of. So it's never seemed worth it, to us. > > And sometimes I think -- aren't many web projects just thin CRUD wrappers > around a database? Is going to all the trouble of isolating your business > logic from, eg, django, really worth it in most cases? > > > > > On 13 August 2014 13:09, Daniel Pope wrote: > > > Coincidentally, I blogged on the topic of Django project organisation at > the weekend. > http://mauveweb.co.uk/posts/2014/08/organising-django-projects.html > > May be of interest? > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing listpython-uk at python.orghttps://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing listpython-uk at python.orghttps://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > -- > Jonathan Hartley tartley at tartley.com http://tartley.com > Made of meat. +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -- ------------------------------ Harry J.W. Percival ------------------------------ Twitter: @hjwp Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 Skype: harry.percival -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.allison at clara.co.uk Thu Sep 11 21:55:34 2014 From: steve.allison at clara.co.uk (steve.allison) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:55:34 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] hexagonal Django In-Reply-To: References: <50BE0CC8.2050601@tartley.com> <50C631B9.4050008@python.org> <50C9BBDC.5080705@tartley.com> <53EB51E9.1060504@tartley.com> Message-ID: Old thread I know, but for the interested Brandon Rhodes' 'Clean Architecture' talk can be found at http://youtu.be/DJtef410XaM Steve > On 15 Aug 2014, at 11:22, Harry Percival wrote: > > Thanks Peter! I was speaking to Brandon at Pycon this year and he was telling me this was going to be his next talk to take on the road, and I was definitely looking forward to seeing it. Matt O'Donnell was also there, and he's done a talk on this sort of thing recently too (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGhL7IA6Dik). It's definitely in the air. > > My own modest attempts to approach the subject are in my book -- in chapter 19, where I show how striving for test isolation can (theoretically) push you towards something like a lean architecture (http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000000754/ch19.html) and in chapter 21, the wrap-up, where I waffle on about all these things (http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000000754/ch22.html) > > I don't think I managed to broach the subject nearly as cleanly as Brandon did. I really admire his talks. His data structures talk was one of the top 3 I saw at Pycon this year (http://pyvideo.org/video/2571/all-your-ducks-in-a-row-data-structures-in-the-s). Perfect pace, slides that complement rather than repeat the talk, fascinating and useful content... > > Anyways, back to our onions - I guess the thing that's always bothered me a bit about the "clean architecture" is that my main project (pythonanywhere) is "all boundaries", to use Gary Bernhardt's terminology. Or, to put it differently, I don't think we really have much in the way of "business logic". We just turn Http requests into commands that go to processes. There's really not much in the way of "logic" in the way. No calculations or business rules to speak of. So it's never seemed worth it, to us. > > And sometimes I think -- aren't many web projects just thin CRUD wrappers around a database? Is going to all the trouble of isolating your business logic from, eg, django, really worth it in most cases? > > > > >> On 13 August 2014 13:09, Daniel Pope wrote: >> Coincidentally, I blogged on the topic of Django project organisation at the weekend. >> >> http://mauveweb.co.uk/posts/2014/08/organising-django-projects.html >> >> May be of interest? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > -- > ------------------------------ > Harry J.W. Percival > ------------------------------ > Twitter: @hjwp > Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 > Skype: harry.percival > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tartley at tartley.com Mon Sep 15 17:04:58 2014 From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:04:58 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Moar jobs at Made.com, againer! Message-ID: <966ffbef69161ad4d8d1f5f0a4acf7cd@webmail.webfaction.com> Another job listing is up from made.com (https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/11103390), but truth be told it's a lot like the last one. Rapidly expanding startup (Now 4.5 years old and 160 people) ongoing (but not too rapid) recruitment, no remote work, yadda yadda, basically the same as everywhere else. What ISN'T the same as everywhere else is you get to work with our bevvy of furniture designers and the like, in the room next door to our furniture showroom, where you can try out all those lovely sofas and beds (perfect for afternoon snoozes!) before indulging your 30% employee discount! "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to pay it anymore!" http://www.made.com/advert/ The office/showroom is in Notting Hill, but a move to Charing Cross Rd is planned around the New Year. Hit me up online or at PyConUK to get all the insider gossip. Come with us. Find out what you're Made of. (See what I did there? That was just off the cuff. I can do lots more like that.) Jonathan -- Jonathan Hartley @tartley : tartley at tartley.com (+44|0) 7737 062 225 From sparks.m at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:23:40 2014 From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:23:40 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Moar jobs at Made.com, againer! In-Reply-To: <966ffbef69161ad4d8d1f5f0a4acf7cd@webmail.webfaction.com> References: <966ffbef69161ad4d8d1f5f0a4acf7cd@webmail.webfaction.com> Message-ID: > (See what I did there? That was just off the cuff. I can do lots more like that.) Now make it spin in 3D, and explode into a kaleidoscope of flickering sofas. (Go on, you know you want to) :) Michael. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikegleen at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 17 19:59:56 2014 From: mikegleen at yahoo.co.uk (Mike Gleen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:59:56 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Ibis room avail Fri/Sat night Message-ID: Folks, I am unable to attend pyconuk this weekend but have a reservation at the Ibis which cost ~?84 for the two nights. If anyone can use these please get in touch. Mike Gleen mikegleen at yahoo.co.uk Sent from my iPad From funthyme at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 11:47:55 2014 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:47:55 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] EuroPython Reboot Message-ID: Hello Fellow European Pythonistas, This year's EuroPython in Berlin was a grat event, enjoyed by over 1000 Pythonistas and the biggest EP to date. What most of us would have been unaware of was that under the surface, there had been major problems with relations between the EuroPython Society (EPS) board and those heading up the local organising team. These problems could be serious enough to put the future of EuroPython itself at risk and already have resulted in plans for a repeat of EuroPython 2014 Berlin in 2015 being abandoned. Now I (John Pinner) like many others feel passionately about our Python community, and this is part of the problem : people throw themselves into organising our events, put in *lots* of work, and don't necessarily see the bigger picture : constructive criticism may not be taken, or given, as intended. Then relationships deteriorate and positions get entrenched, this was apparent (to me, I don't know about anyone else) at the EPS General Assembly in Berlin. Believe me, I have been involved in voluntary organisations for over 30 years, and this is common and all the more sad as it stems from the same basic passion and desire to serve the community. As someone who has been involved in EuroPython from the early days, and a past organiser, I don't wish to see the current problems continue and put the future of EuroPython at risk. I don't think it's too late to do something about it. PyCon UK 2014 starts tomorrow in Coventry, and quite a few EuroPython fans will be attending, so this is an opportunity to join together and see if we can resolve some of these problems. This is quite appropriate as, for sad historical reasons (which we have learnt from and put behind us, let's do the same on a much smaller scale for EuroPython) Coventry is the City of Reconciliation So I'm setting up a "EuroPython Reboot" meeting at PyCon UK 2014, at 11:00am local time (I believe that's 10:00am European time). Some of us will be able to attend this meeting in person, for those who cannot, we'll set up a video call on either https://appear.in/epreboot or Google hangout. I'll put this up on the PyCon UK wiki at http://pyconuk.net/EuropythonReboot and when we finalise the details, they'll be there. One thing I will stress, this is my idea as an individual who cares about the future of EuroPython, it is *not* being done at the behest of, or under the influence of, either the Berlin organisers or the EPS Board. If you too care about EuroPython, please join us at this meeting. Thanks, John -- From funthyme at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 12:28:09 2014 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:28:09 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] EuroPython Reboot Message-ID: It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the proposed meeting date from my previous mail. But it's on the wiki page Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). Sorry, John -- From mal at egenix.com Thu Sep 18 12:56:16 2014 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:56:16 +0200 Subject: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <541ABA50.2000408@egenix.com> Hi John, thank you for your initiative. Let's start to get the ball rolling for EuroPython 2015 :-) Cheers, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Sep 18 2014) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2014-09-19: PyCon UK 2014, Coventry, UK ... tomorrow 2014-09-27: PyDDF Sprint 2014 ... 9 days to go 2014-09-30: Python Meeting Duesseldorf ... 12 days to go eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ On 18.09.2014 11:47, John Pinner wrote: > Hello Fellow European Pythonistas, > > This year's EuroPython in Berlin was a grat event, enjoyed by over > 1000 Pythonistas and the biggest EP to date. > > What most of us would have been unaware of was that under the surface, > there had been major problems with relations between the EuroPython > Society (EPS) board and those heading up the local organising team. > > These problems could be serious enough to put the future of EuroPython > itself at risk and already have resulted in plans for a repeat of > EuroPython 2014 Berlin in 2015 being abandoned. > > Now I (John Pinner) like many others feel passionately about our > Python community, and this is part of the problem : people throw > themselves into organising our events, put in *lots* of work, and > don't necessarily see the bigger picture : constructive criticism may > not be taken, or given, as intended. Then relationships deteriorate > and positions get entrenched, this was apparent (to me, I don't know > about anyone else) at the EPS General Assembly in Berlin. > > Believe me, I have been involved in voluntary organisations for over > 30 years, and this is common and all the more sad as it stems from the > same basic passion and desire to serve the community. > > As someone who has been involved in EuroPython from the early days, > and a past organiser, I don't wish to see the current problems > continue and put the future of EuroPython at risk. I don't think it's > too late to do something about it. > > PyCon UK 2014 starts tomorrow in Coventry, and quite a few EuroPython > fans will be attending, so this is an opportunity to join together and > see if we can resolve some of these problems. This is quite > appropriate as, for sad historical reasons (which we have learnt from > and put behind us, let's do the same on a much smaller scale for > EuroPython) Coventry is the City of Reconciliation > > So I'm setting up a "EuroPython Reboot" meeting at PyCon UK 2014, at > 11:00am local time (I believe that's 10:00am European time). Some of > us will be able to attend this meeting in person, for those who > cannot, we'll set up a video call on either https://appear.in/epreboot > or Google hangout. > > I'll put this up on the PyCon UK wiki at > http://pyconuk.net/EuropythonReboot and when we finalise the details, > they'll be there. > > One thing I will stress, this is my idea as an individual who cares > about the future of EuroPython, it is *not* being done at the behest > of, or under the influence of, either the Berlin organisers or the EPS > Board. > > If you too care about EuroPython, please join us at this meeting. > > Thanks, > > John > -- > > _______________________________________________________________________ > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ > From funthyme at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 12:56:02 2014 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:56:02 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> References: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> Message-ID: Hello Andreas, On 18 September 2014 11:31, Andreas Jung wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John Pinner wrote: >> It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the >> proposed meeting date from my previous mail. >> >> But it's on the wiki page >> >> Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). > > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. Well, I'm sorry, Andreas, for not meeting your exacting standards. But as I've been deeply involved in organising PyCon UK, as well as having an intensive course of chemo- and radio-therapy cancer treatment since EP14, *maybe* you'll understand. Best wishes, John -- From funthyme at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 12:58:51 2014 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:58:51 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: <541AB9AB.3010908@zerokspot.com> References: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> <541AB9AB.3010908@zerokspot.com> Message-ID: Hello Horst! On 18 September 2014 11:53, Horst Gutmann wrote: > To be fair there were a couple of hints that something like that would > most likely take place at PyCon UK for the last couple of weeks now. > Additionally, I kind of doubt that someone would make a trip from > outside the UK just for this meeting if they didn't plan to attend the > conference anyway :-) > > @John: Thanks for organising this! If somehow possible I will try to > attend remotely. Thanks! Hope to see you there! John -- > > Cheers, > Horst > >> Andreas Jung >> 18 Sep 2014 12:31 >> Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. >> >> -aj >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> EuroPython-Members Mailing List >> https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members >> >> EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ >> EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ >> John Pinner >> 18 Sep 2014 12:28 >> It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the >> proposed meeting date from my previous mail. >> >> But it's on the wiki page >> >> Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). >> >> Sorry, >> >> John >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> EuroPython-Members Mailing List >> https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members >> >> EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ >> EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ > From ntoll at ntoll.org Thu Sep 18 13:18:24 2014 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:18:24 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Improve] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> References: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> Message-ID: <541ABF80.4050208@ntoll.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 18/09/14 11:31, Andreas Jung wrote: > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very > helpful. > > -aj > Actually, your reply to positive action on this front is not very helpful either, in the sense that it's *already* adversely changing the tone of the exchange. Given the content of John's email, I suspect this is *exactly* the sort of reaction I'm guessing John is at pains to avoid. Please, let's make this a positive, cooperative and compassionate exchange. :-) N. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUGr99AAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6FEUIAJORYh4wrGru4dp3l9h3cl/A 7krPx5qrgFwnDOxDuOuS1UdxGA5jqjZFlruuYeQFV2gMjcCKBsZvNlmO+dsC01VX 3BqtjZaEQSGFuWYrPXVJghuLzIuDBrTOXx0/SBQINAwOq6KnUffeTQTet+tJoTWE PxqAGVcdYXGoZkNo0kLaa8SNGeJ+2GukB3LeBqdG7wc79soLGTwaDSS/sQQASFWH o6MbUFKJy2TFdT5eMg/bHBbNSiQnPkubeZ9KkWfv8bNRemina4mcEtvgrc2Mj/7R 4LQpa/MclJMMsyYRk7Y8T+q3fNIQ+htpOuaz80NvYD9GzUypjgbuhZodr8abcpU= =XKiO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aidan at scraperwiki.com Thu Sep 18 14:16:56 2014 From: aidan at scraperwiki.com (Aidan Mcguire) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 13:16:56 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Improve] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: References: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> Message-ID: +1 On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Gianluca Romanin wrote: > > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. > > It is not very helpful this kind of mail too. Even with all the PGP code. > This is the kind of harsh **positive**criticism** that I really can't > stand. > > @John: I really appreciate the initiative. Thank you. I'll follow the > meeting on the web. > > Best regards, > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Gianluca Romanin (aka J_Zar) > ------------------------------------------------------ > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> John Pinner wrote: >> > It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the >> > proposed meeting date from my previous mail. >> > >> > But it's on the wiki page >> > >> > Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). >> >> Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. >> >> - -aj >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >> >> iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJUGrSMAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjH5YLvjwlX7wtxhcdcsr19TceqwTx >> Gyt3ur6nvuEDX6DbJqtRVMRIuUx8D0FznvUocHsuo1OY73XaZ8MaKk3EqJt0Jw3y >> P+ScG7HpKt/idCx8seu479iC5Qa1K3/yiPCw/wujpOFCZTeCS/kcr2cIq7p203q4 >> zI66HRgY8QKWxihXGN+1vkGivHDd2I4tLGa17clRcTudbwXIeNUIfOSU6QSJjyA1 >> ZYj+c7LYpaB+oah6SGQVQlv/qC2eh10h/ZpmnBoF9IHChk7vNwdV0Mnn2dqwqvjT >> LZYIXOP6hcyPgkR6aKfKhURnkqEdcaKXyOiSwEoogcjTYb0QjLLNlpiOKNTp5ECR >> 56U+wBnuHge8M4wcXQtKG31UgfCKirramJhvnXYFlk+4+eiLt5zbtR+VOkPYso2n >> 8wyvUjxeCf8e+aCqiTXh22rBlFIvmB9L+W6s6T1yRLThz0ZhLABHQE8wXG45pXgl >> NCjCNXKNHYdBnD/pW1hA7DKFW1b5xPQ= >> =YIYx >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> EuroPython-Members Mailing List >> https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members >> >> EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ >> EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython-Improve mailing list > EuroPython-Improve at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-improve > > -- Aidan ScraperWiki.com - A Gigaom Structure Data Award Winner 2014 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougal at dougalmatthews.com Tue Sep 16 18:28:58 2014 From: dougal at dougalmatthews.com (Dougal Matthews) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 17:28:58 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python Glasgow Dojo Next Month, 14th of October Message-ID: Hey all, tl;dr - Get your ticket: https://pythonglasgow-dojo-october-2014.eventbrite.co.uk/ Next month we are running another Dojo! Twig are graciously hosting us again and will be providing pizza, beer and soft drinks. The office address is: 4th Floor 14 North Claremont Street G3 7LE Glasgow Twig are growing again and are currently on the look out for developers https://gist.github.com/charliequinn/6df89b2ae28c95762e9a Please email cquinn at twig-world.com to find out more. For those of you that don't know, a Dojo is a fun coding event where we split into teams and hack on a problem for about 90 minutes. The focus is on getting something working in that time period. Some teams choose to take a TDD approach while others hack away. Everyone has fun and then we share our results with a show and tell session at the end. The Dojo is designed for *all* levels of Python developer, it's great fun and we make sure we cater for complete beginners through to advanced developers. This is a great way to start learning to write Python. Last time the challenge was to create a valid crossword given a set of words. This turned out to be somewhat tricky and we had an interesting range of results. To find out more about the Dojo, we follow the format of the London Python Dojo[1] and I also created notes for running the Dojo as I forget things: http://dougalmatthews.com/notes/running-a-code-dojo/ The Dojo's are usually really well attended so make sure to get your ticket now at: https://pythonglasgow-dojo-october-2014.eventbrite.co.uk/ See you all there! Dougal [1]: http://ntoll.org/article/how-to-run-an-awesome-code-dojo From drtimcouper at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 12:57:25 2014 From: drtimcouper at gmail.com (Tim Couper) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:57:25 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] [pyconuk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: <541AB9AB.3010908@zerokspot.com> References: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> <541AB9AB.3010908@zerokspot.com> Message-ID: Well done John for raising the issue and being prepared to use PythonUk as a place where at least some can discuss the issue in person! On 18 Sep 2014 11:53, "Horst Gutmann" wrote: > To be fair there were a couple of hints that something like that would > most likely take place at PyCon UK for the last couple of weeks now. > Additionally, I kind of doubt that someone would make a trip from > outside the UK just for this meeting if they didn't plan to attend the > conference anyway :-) > > @John: Thanks for organising this! If somehow possible I will try to > attend remotely. > > Cheers, > Horst > > > Andreas Jung > > 18 Sep 2014 12:31 > > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. > > > > -aj > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ > > John Pinner > > 18 Sep 2014 12:28 > > It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the > > proposed meeting date from my previous mail. > > > > But it's on the wiki page > > > > Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). > > > > Sorry, > > > > John > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > pyconuk mailing list > pyconuk at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyconuk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horst at zerokspot.com Thu Sep 18 12:53:31 2014 From: horst at zerokspot.com (Horst Gutmann) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:53:31 +0200 Subject: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> References: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> Message-ID: <541AB9AB.3010908@zerokspot.com> To be fair there were a couple of hints that something like that would most likely take place at PyCon UK for the last couple of weeks now. Additionally, I kind of doubt that someone would make a trip from outside the UK just for this meeting if they didn't plan to attend the conference anyway :-) @John: Thanks for organising this! If somehow possible I will try to attend remotely. Cheers, Horst > Andreas Jung > 18 Sep 2014 12:31 > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. > > -aj > > _______________________________________________________________________ > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ > John Pinner > 18 Sep 2014 12:28 > It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the > proposed meeting date from my previous mail. > > But it's on the wiki page > > Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). > > Sorry, > > John > -- > > _______________________________________________________________________ > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ From r.bauer at fz-juelich.de Fri Sep 19 11:29:12 2014 From: r.bauer at fz-juelich.de (Reimar Bauer) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:29:12 +0200 Subject: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <541BF768.7020902@fz-juelich.de> Dear John, dear all Pythonistas thanks for taking time to organize this. I enjoyed all get together in the past EuroPython conferences or everywhere I was able to meet the Python folks. I have also a long term experience in organizing smaller Python community events. My (Reimar Bauer) personal opinion is that we were already in 2012 on the path to run in this issue or a little earlier. In 2012 we had a reboot of the EPS Board. The old board already made beforehand the decission to run 3rd year in Florence. At this time the bell was ringing. Now it rings louder. The question also should be if this big picture some of us have is necessary and where does it block us. I would prefer to dream a big picture instead of having it seen and made this the goal to run for. The room to move shouldn't too much limited. I try to be online on the meeting time. best regards Reimar Am 18.09.2014 um 11:47 schrieb John Pinner: > Hello Fellow European Pythonistas, > > This year's EuroPython in Berlin was a grat event, enjoyed by over > 1000 Pythonistas and the biggest EP to date. > > What most of us would have been unaware of was that under the surface, > there had been major problems with relations between the EuroPython > Society (EPS) board and those heading up the local organising team. > > These problems could be serious enough to put the future of EuroPython > itself at risk and already have resulted in plans for a repeat of > EuroPython 2014 Berlin in 2015 being abandoned. > > Now I (John Pinner) like many others feel passionately about our > Python community, and this is part of the problem : people throw > themselves into organising our events, put in *lots* of work, and > don't necessarily see the bigger picture : constructive criticism may > not be taken, or given, as intended. Then relationships deteriorate > and positions get entrenched, this was apparent (to me, I don't know > about anyone else) at the EPS General Assembly in Berlin. > > Believe me, I have been involved in voluntary organisations for over > 30 years, and this is common and all the more sad as it stems from the > same basic passion and desire to serve the community. > > As someone who has been involved in EuroPython from the early days, > and a past organiser, I don't wish to see the current problems > continue and put the future of EuroPython at risk. I don't think it's > too late to do something about it. > > PyCon UK 2014 starts tomorrow in Coventry, and quite a few EuroPython > fans will be attending, so this is an opportunity to join together and > see if we can resolve some of these problems. This is quite > appropriate as, for sad historical reasons (which we have learnt from > and put behind us, let's do the same on a much smaller scale for > EuroPython) Coventry is the City of Reconciliation > > So I'm setting up a "EuroPython Reboot" meeting at PyCon UK 2014, at > 11:00am local time (I believe that's 10:00am European time). Some of > us will be able to attend this meeting in person, for those who > cannot, we'll set up a video call on either https://appear.in/epreboot > or Google hangout. > > I'll put this up on the PyCon UK wiki at > http://pyconuk.net/EuropythonReboot and when we finalise the details, > they'll be there. > > One thing I will stress, this is my idea as an individual who cares > about the future of EuroPython, it is *not* being done at the behest > of, or under the influence of, either the Berlin organisers or the EPS > Board. > > If you too care about EuroPython, please join us at this meeting. > > Thanks, > > John > -- > > _______________________________________________________________________ > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir Dr. Karl Eugen Huthmacher Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr.-Ing. Wolfgang Marquardt (Vorsitzender), Karsten Beneke (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From romaninz at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 13:51:15 2014 From: romaninz at gmail.com (Gianluca Romanin) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 13:51:15 +0200 Subject: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> References: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> Message-ID: > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. It is not very helpful this kind of mail too. Even with all the PGP code. This is the kind of harsh **positive**criticism** that I really can't stand. @John: I really appreciate the initiative. Thank you. I'll follow the meeting on the web. Best regards, ------------------------------------------------------ Gianluca Romanin (aka J_Zar) ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John Pinner wrote: > > It's been pointed out that I had a "Senior Moment" and left out the > > proposed meeting date from my previous mail. > > > > But it's on the wiki page > > > > Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). > > Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. > > - -aj > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJUGrSMAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjH5YLvjwlX7wtxhcdcsr19TceqwTx > Gyt3ur6nvuEDX6DbJqtRVMRIuUx8D0FznvUocHsuo1OY73XaZ8MaKk3EqJt0Jw3y > P+ScG7HpKt/idCx8seu479iC5Qa1K3/yiPCw/wujpOFCZTeCS/kcr2cIq7p203q4 > zI66HRgY8QKWxihXGN+1vkGivHDd2I4tLGa17clRcTudbwXIeNUIfOSU6QSJjyA1 > ZYj+c7LYpaB+oah6SGQVQlv/qC2eh10h/ZpmnBoF9IHChk7vNwdV0Mnn2dqwqvjT > LZYIXOP6hcyPgkR6aKfKhURnkqEdcaKXyOiSwEoogcjTYb0QjLLNlpiOKNTp5ECR > 56U+wBnuHge8M4wcXQtKG31UgfCKirramJhvnXYFlk+4+eiLt5zbtR+VOkPYso2n > 8wyvUjxeCf8e+aCqiTXh22rBlFIvmB9L+W6s6T1yRLThz0ZhLABHQE8wXG45pXgl > NCjCNXKNHYdBnD/pW1hA7DKFW1b5xPQ= > =YIYx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________________________________ > EuroPython-Members Mailing List > https://www.egenix.com/mailman/listinfo/europython-members > > EuroPython: https://www.europython.eu/ > EuroPython Society: http://www.europython-society.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy at reportlab.com Fri Sep 19 11:47:18 2014 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:47:18 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] [EuroPython-Improve] [pyconuk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: References: <541AB48C.2090101@zopyx.com> Message-ID: Hi all, As a list admin for the python-uk mailing list, I just approved a few blocked messages. If cross-posting from another list, please be aware that you normally have to join python-uk at python.org to post. I am sorry I can't be there, nor have I been at any recent EuroPython, but as a general rule I'll go with John on anything he says. Nobody has done more for Python in this country. - Andy From lac at openend.se Sun Sep 21 12:18:44 2014 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:18:44 +0200 Subject: [python-uk] [pyconuk] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot In-Reply-To: Message from Reimar Bauer of "Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:25:52 +0200." References: Message-ID: <201409211018.s8LAIiFX011145@fido.openend.se> I don't have any videoconferencing software, and the links provided just crash my firefox. By the time I get things tracked down and understood, the meeting will be over. So I won't be able to make it. I just wanted people to know that it wasn't due to lack of interest. Good luck everybody, Laura Creighton From ghayoun at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 16:03:00 2014 From: ghayoun at gmail.com (Gautier HAYOUN) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:03:00 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python Code Dojo happening next Thursday Message-ID: Hello, It feels like the previous dojo was just last week, but it was 3 weeks ago already. This means the October London Python Code Dojo (S06E02) is happening again next Thursday in Fry-IT! Assuming dry and warm enough weather we will try to repeat the rooftop show-and-tell, so please bring warm clothes just in case. Grab your own ticket at https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-7-episode-1-2 before they're gone. Pizzas, refreshments and friendly Pythonistas will be provided from 18.30 on the 02/10 at Fry-IT : Unit 6, 36-42 New Inn Yard, London. EC2A 3EY All the best, Gautier