From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Sun Jun  1 00:02:52 2014
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 23:02:52 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] TDD stuff in London,
	next two weeks (and list comprehension scoping)
In-Reply-To: <5389AB4A.8040809@tartley.com>
References: <CACFvh9_4kH8S864b+-wFh1EDE_xSPajDrdvk+=WGgAVdVHskwQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAER8L12KJx2Tryw+JKaE-_NC4pN6qckoqeu5eK_WARd0iUbTOw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAC_LXxGSOPZm7sNQomTZZWHxUMOF_h8zDyNXYzaC+P76C_DZ0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <5389AB4A.8040809@tartley.com>
Message-ID: <B2F9986D-B8CE-4DEC-AE5B-9A80375AE7A5@voidspace.org.uk>


On 31 May 2014, at 11:13, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:

> That's what I thought too, but:
> 
> $ python3
> Python 3.4.0 (default, Apr 19 2014, 12:20:10) 
> [GCC 4.8.1] on linux
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> class Some(object):
> ...   tokens = ['a', 'b', 'c']
> ...   untokenized = [Some.tokens.index(a) for a in ['b']]
> ... 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
>   File "<stdin>", line 3, in Some
>   File "<stdin>", line 3, in <listcomp>
> NameError: name 'Some' is not defined
> 

The name Some is not bound until the class body has finished executing. You should just be able to access the name "tokens" from inside the class body though:

 python3
Python 3.3.4 (v3.3.4:7ff62415e426, Feb  9 2014, 00:29:34) 
[GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> class Some:
...     tokens = [1, 2, 3]
...     thing = [token ** 2 for token in tokens]
... 
>>> 

Michael

> 
> On 30/05/14 16:07, Sven Marnach wrote:
>> On 30 May 2014 15:49, Harry Percival <harry.percival at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I had the problem outside of a class body, in a normal function... 
>>  
>> The particular problem mentioned in the StackOverflow quesiton you linked only ever occurs inside class bodies.  They are the only enclosing scopes that are skipped in name lookups.  You can still access class attributes of the class by using ClassName.attribute inside the list comprehension, like you would have to do to access class attributes from inside methods.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>>     Sven
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> python-uk at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Hartley    
> tartley at tartley.com    http://tartley.com
> 
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> 
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 02:12:01 2014
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 01:12:01 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] TDD stuff in London,
 next two weeks (and list comprehension scoping)
In-Reply-To: <B2F9986D-B8CE-4DEC-AE5B-9A80375AE7A5@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <CACFvh9_4kH8S864b+-wFh1EDE_xSPajDrdvk+=WGgAVdVHskwQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CACFvh9-CH4EMoMtHQsu9HZOCDsTWwVdQLUbB-wLPpnbRbpW4WA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <B2F9986D-B8CE-4DEC-AE5B-9A80375AE7A5@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAB-vKOT7n+ZPvRKVKvEKd8OUcdvHfNdYHpNJJwXMEN48RZ0y7w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

On 31 May 2014 23:02, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On 31 May 2014, at 11:13, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:
>
>> That's what I thought too, but:
>>
>> $ python3
>> Python 3.4.0 (default, Apr 19 2014, 12:20:10)
>> [GCC 4.8.1] on linux
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>> >>> class Some(object):
>> ...   tokens = ['a', 'b', 'c']
>> ...   untokenized = [Some.tokens.index(a) for a in ['b']]
>> ...
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
>>   File "<stdin>", line 3, in Some
>>   File "<stdin>", line 3, in <listcomp>
>> NameError: name 'Some' is not defined
>>
>
> The name Some is not bound until the class body has finished executing.

or maybe (correct me if I'm wrong) until the interpreter has finished
compiling the class (which does not happen until the end of the class
definition has been reached).

> You should just be able to access the name "tokens" from inside the class body though:
>
<snips>

All the best,

John
--

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Sun Jun  1 16:54:52 2014
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 15:54:52 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] TDD stuff in London,
	next two weeks (and list comprehension scoping)
In-Reply-To: <CAB-vKOT7n+ZPvRKVKvEKd8OUcdvHfNdYHpNJJwXMEN48RZ0y7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACFvh9_4kH8S864b+-wFh1EDE_xSPajDrdvk+=WGgAVdVHskwQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAC_LXxGSOPZm7sNQomTZZWHxUMOF_h8zDyNXYzaC+P76C_DZ0g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <097DCACF-D9F2-4890-8445-24DB4F2A036B@voidspace.org.uk>



Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jun 2014, at 01:12, John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
>> On 31 May 2014 23:02, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 31 May 2014, at 11:13, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's what I thought too, but:
>>> 
>>> $ python3
>>> Python 3.4.0 (default, Apr 19 2014, 12:20:10)
>>> [GCC 4.8.1] on linux
>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>>>> class Some(object):
>>> ...   tokens = ['a', 'b', 'c']
>>> ...   untokenized = [Some.tokens.index(a) for a in ['b']]
>>> ...
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
>>>  File "<stdin>", line 3, in Some
>>>  File "<stdin>", line 3, in <listcomp>
>>> NameError: name 'Some' is not defined
>> 
>> The name Some is not bound until the class body has finished executing.
> 
> or maybe (correct me if I'm wrong) until the interpreter has finished
> compiling the class (which does not happen until the end of the class
> definition has been reached).

No, it's at execution time. Compilation does not execute code and so does not bind names. Class bodies are executed to generate the class.

Michael


> 
>> You should just be able to access the name "tokens" from inside the class body though:
> <snips>
> 
> All the best,
> 
> John
> --
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk

From ntoll at ntoll.org  Fri Jun  6 09:54:11 2014
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 08:54:11 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next London Python Code Dojo - 12th June at BAML in
	Canary Wharf
Message-ID: <539173A3.7050401@ntoll.org>

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Hi Folks,

What:

The London Python Code Dojo

Where:

The offices of Bank of America in Canary Wharf

When:

Thursday 12th June at 6:30pm until 10pm (ish)

How:

Turn up, enjoy BAML's amazing hospitality, watch some lightning talks,
code on an interesting problem, SHOW AND TELL!!! then a trip to the
pub. (Remember to bring some official identification for the security
desk.)

Who:

You, YES YOU!!! It's fun!

Sign up & details here:

https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-5-episode-11

Be quick, there are a limited number of tickets and they tend to get
snaffled up quickly.

Any volunteers for a lightning talk..? Ping me an email.

Thanks to BAML for their continued support of the UK's Python community.

See you there,

Nicholas (and the rest of the cat herders).
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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Fri Jun 13 13:09:30 2014
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:09:30 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Announcing the PyconUK Education Track
Message-ID: <539ADBEA.8090302@ntoll.org>

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Hi Folks,

Thanks to Steve Hawkes we have a wonderfully awesome landing page for
the education track at PyconUK:

http://pyconuk.org/education/

The PyconUK education track is all about the wonderful things that
happen when diverse groups of people come together to learn about and
work with fun technology.

Know any teachers? Are you a teacher? Unsure what to do come September
for the new national curriculum for IT? Come to PyconUK's teacher
training day - an extraordinarily good value opportunity for CPD.

Do you have kids who may be interested in playing with robots,
Minecraft and other cool technology? Think they may enjoy coding with
other kids under the guidance of experienced teachers and expert
professional developers? Check out the kids' coding day at PyconUK.
Last year was a blast.

Tickets are limited! Check out the website (and see what teachers and
kids got up to last year).

Not for you? Tell your friends!

Tweets and other forms of spreading the word etc... most welcome!

:-)

N.
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 13:58:07 2014
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:58:07 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Announcing the PyconUK Education Track
In-Reply-To: <539ADBEA.8090302@ntoll.org>
References: <539ADBEA.8090302@ntoll.org>
Message-ID: <CAB-vKOTQdaKbZ_LkOSdOsDoEMkjHOSpVoQuKEqUw6d_j=Ykdqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

and I'm pleased to say we have our first Regular Teacher booking.

I wonder if he has All Bran for breakfast ?

John
--

On 13 June 2014 12:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Thanks to Steve Hawkes we have a wonderfully awesome landing page for
> the education track at PyconUK:
>
> http://pyconuk.org/education/
>
> The PyconUK education track is all about the wonderful things that
> happen when diverse groups of people come together to learn about and
> work with fun technology.
>
> Know any teachers? Are you a teacher? Unsure what to do come September
> for the new national curriculum for IT? Come to PyconUK's teacher
> training day - an extraordinarily good value opportunity for CPD.
>
> Do you have kids who may be interested in playing with robots,
> Minecraft and other cool technology? Think they may enjoy coding with
> other kids under the guidance of experienced teachers and expert
> professional developers? Check out the kids' coding day at PyconUK.
> Last year was a blast.
>
> Tickets are limited! Check out the website (and see what teachers and
> kids got up to last year).
>
> Not for you? Tell your friends!
>
> Tweets and other forms of spreading the word etc... most welcome!
>
> :-)
>
> N.
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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Fri Jun 13 14:05:53 2014
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 13:05:53 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Announcing the PyconUK Education Track
In-Reply-To: <CAB-vKOTQdaKbZ_LkOSdOsDoEMkjHOSpVoQuKEqUw6d_j=Ykdqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <539ADBEA.8090302@ntoll.org>
 <CAB-vKOTQdaKbZ_LkOSdOsDoEMkjHOSpVoQuKEqUw6d_j=Ykdqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <539AE921.9080200@ntoll.org>

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Whoop de doo...

N.

On 13/06/14 12:58, John Pinner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> and I'm pleased to say we have our first Regular Teacher booking.
> 
> I wonder if he has All Bran for breakfast ?
> 
> John --
> 
> On 13 June 2014 12:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org>
> wrote: Hi Folks,
> 
> Thanks to Steve Hawkes we have a wonderfully awesome landing page
> for the education track at PyconUK:
> 
> http://pyconuk.org/education/
> 
> The PyconUK education track is all about the wonderful things that 
> happen when diverse groups of people come together to learn about
> and work with fun technology.
> 
> Know any teachers? Are you a teacher? Unsure what to do come
> September for the new national curriculum for IT? Come to PyconUK's
> teacher training day - an extraordinarily good value opportunity
> for CPD.
> 
> Do you have kids who may be interested in playing with robots, 
> Minecraft and other cool technology? Think they may enjoy coding
> with other kids under the guidance of experienced teachers and
> expert professional developers? Check out the kids' coding day at
> PyconUK. Last year was a blast.
> 
> Tickets are limited! Check out the website (and see what teachers
> and kids got up to last year).
> 
> Not for you? Tell your friends!
> 
> Tweets and other forms of spreading the word etc... most welcome!
> 
> :-)
> 
> N.
>> _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing
>> list python-uk at python.org 
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing
> list python-uk at python.org 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> 

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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Tue Jun 24 10:29:30 2014
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:29:30 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Fwd: [PyConUK-adm] Pycon WM: calling notice for meeting
	28 June
In-Reply-To: <8510E1E6-DEF0-4E42-9C15-D4BE71F9D546@gmail.com>
References: <8510E1E6-DEF0-4E42-9C15-D4BE71F9D546@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53A936EA.8070506@ntoll.org>

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FYI


- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: [PyConUK-adm] Pycon WM: calling notice for meeting 28 June
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 08:40:16 +0100
From: Mary Mooney <memooney at gmail.com>
To: pyconuk-adm at python.org, Robert Pinner
<robert at linuxemporium.co.uk>, Sheila McKinstry <sheilapinner at gmail.com>

Hello all

The next meeting of Pycon WM will be on Saturday 28 June at the
Technocentre Coventry.

John P hopes to be hosting but if it is not John, Robert will be our
host.

Not to exhaust our welcome the meeting will start at 10 am and finish
at 2pm.

I am more than happy to pick up the jacket potato order en route so
please make the order early on.

If anyone else needs to see this message can you please forward it.

Best wishes

Mary

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From alistair.broomhead at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 11:46:23 2014
From: alistair.broomhead at gmail.com (Alistair Broomhead)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:46:23 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next London Python Code Dojo - 3rd June at Hogarth in
	Soho
Message-ID: <CADocXU_zQjARxDfJmbfEW=6YG2dhRa8vMWuQN+sHEYWCiKjG1Q@mail.gmail.com>

What:

The London Python Code Dojo


Where:

The offices of Hogarth in Soho


When:

Thursday 3rd of July at 6:30pm until 10pm (ish)


How:

Turn up, enjoy Hogarth's amazing hospitality, watch some lightning talks,
code on an interesting problem, SHOW AND TELL!!! then a trip to the
pub.


Who:

You, YES YOU!!! It's fun!


Sign up & details here:

https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-5-episode-12

Be quick, there are a limited number of tickets and they tend to get
snaffled up quickly (although the phantom tickets bug has been resolved).

Any volunteers for a lightning talk..? Ping me an email.

Thanks to Hogarth for their continued support of the UK's Python community.


See you there,

Al (and the rest of the cat herders).
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From breamoreboy at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 26 11:57:13 2014
From: breamoreboy at yahoo.co.uk (Mark Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:57:13 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next London Python Code Dojo - 3rd June at Hogarth
	in Soho
In-Reply-To: <CADocXU_zQjARxDfJmbfEW=6YG2dhRa8vMWuQN+sHEYWCiKjG1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADocXU_zQjARxDfJmbfEW=6YG2dhRa8vMWuQN+sHEYWCiKjG1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <logqpq$e49$1@ger.gmane.org>

On 26/06/2014 10:46, Alistair Broomhead wrote:

Any particular year? :)

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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From mail at timgolden.me.uk  Thu Jun 26 12:42:02 2014
From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 11:42:02 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next London Python Code Dojo - 3rd June at Hogarth
 in Soho
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On 26/06/2014 10:57, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 26/06/2014 10:46, Alistair Broomhead wrote:
> 
> Any particular year? :)
> 

No -- come any year you like.

TJG

From gadgetsteve at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 26 13:04:23 2014
From: gadgetsteve at hotmail.com (Steve Barnes)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 12:04:23 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next London Python Code Dojo - 3rd June at Hogarth
 in Soho
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On 26/06/14 11:42, Tim Golden wrote:
> On 26/06/2014 10:57, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> On 26/06/2014 10:46, Alistair Broomhead wrote:
>>
>> Any particular year? :)
>>
> No -- come any year you like.
>
> TJG
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Out of those years when the 3rd July is a Thursday!

From tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk  Thu Jun 26 20:35:29 2014
From: tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk (Tony Ibbs)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:35:29 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next CamPUG meeting, Tue 1st July 2014
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From the Cambridge and East Anglian Python Users Group google group:

The next meeting will be Tuesday 1st July, 7.30pm at RealVNC (http://goo.gl/maps/ktqpS). We normally stop about 9.30pm, and go on to the pub.

This will be a talks meeting. Feel free to bring a talk (or lightning talk, or thing to ask advice about), but you get extra brownie points if you tell the list about it first.

Meetings after that will be:
	? Tuesday 5th August, another doing stuff/miscellaneous meeting. I might not make this one, as it's getting close to the World Science Fiction Convention in London (www.loncon3.org, which is 14th-18th August). There's also EuroSciPy 27th-30th August, in Cambridge.
	? Tuesday 2nd September - come and practice your talks and lightning talks for PyConUK (Fri 19th .. Sun 21 September, not including the tutorials on the Monday); I should have at least a lightning talk.
	? Tuesday 7th October - a miscellaneous meeting, possibly talking about things learnt and fun had at PyConUK

Tibs