From mail at timgolden.me.uk  Thu Jul  4 15:38:28 2013
From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 14:38:28 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] PyConUK tickets?
Message-ID: <51D57AD4.10704@timgolden.me.uk>

Going by the PyConUK site (which I randomly glanced at just now) there
appear to be early bird tickets for sale already, but I don't remember
seeing any announcements. Can I go in and book? Or is it just a
placeholder for now?

TJG

From ntoll at ntoll.org  Thu Jul  4 16:00:04 2013
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:00:04 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] PyConUK tickets?
In-Reply-To: <51D57AD4.10704@timgolden.me.uk>
References: <51D57AD4.10704@timgolden.me.uk>
Message-ID: <51D57FE4.9060201@ntoll.org>

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On 04/07/13 14:38, Tim Golden wrote:
> Going by the PyConUK site (which I randomly glanced at just now)
> there appear to be early bird tickets for sale already, but I don't
> remember seeing any announcements. Can I go in and book? Or is it
> just a placeholder for now?
> 
> TJG _______________________________________________ python-uk
> mailing list python-uk at python.org 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> 

It's a test. Should probably have a "coming soon" image somewhere, but
(shh) you can book your tickets... ;-)

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From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 16:08:37 2013
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:08:37 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] PyConUK tickets?
In-Reply-To: <51D57FE4.9060201@ntoll.org>
References: <51D57AD4.10704@timgolden.me.uk>
	<51D57FE4.9060201@ntoll.org>
Message-ID: <CAB-vKOQ-NAuCtiOSh7qjBE=H1Yxw5wYJ5L4o+_6QLJs4GuTJBg@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 July 2013 15:00, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:

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> On 04/07/13 14:38, Tim Golden wrote:
> > Going by the PyConUK site (which I randomly glanced at just now)
> > there appear to be early bird tickets for sale already, but I don't
> > remember seeing any announcements. Can I go in and book? Or is it
> > just a placeholder for now?
> >
> > TJG _______________________________________________ python-uk
> > mailing list python-uk at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> >
>
> It's a test. Should probably have a "coming soon" image somewhere, but
> (shh) you can book your tickets... ;-)
>

No, it's live.

Although the website still needs some js work...

When that and the video are done, we'll announce.

John
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From tom at viner.tv  Sun Jul  7 14:13:15 2013
From: tom at viner.tv (Tom Viner)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:13:15 +0200
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
Message-ID: <CANBSuyEfc-ObcrM=u61r9mGuzO3xcN66G0zAb7VGLuwLyoRdEw@mail.gmail.com>

Greeting from Florence and the EuroPython conference,

As the sprint pizza boxes get cleared away, it reminds me, there's a London
dojo to announce for this Thursday!

Pizza and social coding for the win. Everyone welcome.

We've got our O'Reilly give-away book ready, it's Think Complexity
including examples in Python.

Remember, we're back at the office of Fry-IT this month.

Get your tickets here:
https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-4-episode-11/

Cheers,
Tom

@tomviner - @ldnpydojo
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From list at qtrac.plus.com  Tue Jul  9 12:10:23 2013
From: list at qtrac.plus.com (Mark Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:10:23 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Interest in Python Open Enrolment?
Message-ID: <20130709111023.6f817412@dino.qtrac>

Hi,

Over the years I've delivered many on-site custom Python courses, but
I'm now thinking about offering one or two open-enrolment courses.

If this might be of interest, I'd be grateful if you'd respond to the
questions below---and please reply only to me so as not to clutter the
list (the default reply is to the list).

Thanks!

------------------------------------------------------------
Each course would have a max. of 10 participants and run for 4 or 5 days.

(1) Which courses would be of interest:
    [ ] Learn to Program with Python (no experience necessary)
    [ ] Python Programming (for non-Python programmers)
    [ ] Intermediate/Advanced Python Programming (for Python programmers)
    [ ] Other (please specify):

(2) Which version of Python would be of interest:
    ( ) 2.7
    ( ) 3.1+

(3) Which location would be of interest:
    ( ) London
    ( ) Cardiff
    ( ) Swansea

(4) Which dates would be of interest:
    ( ) October 2013
    ( ) March 2014
    ( ) April 2014
    ( ) May 2014

-- 
Mark Summerfield, Qtrac Ltd, www.qtrac.eu
    C++, Python, Qt, PyQt - training and consultancy
        "Python in Practice" - ISBN 978-0321905635
            http://www.qtrac.eu/pipbook.html

From lisa_babycat at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  9 12:22:13 2013
From: lisa_babycat at hotmail.com (Lisa Sau)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:22:13 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Interest in Python Open Enrolment?
In-Reply-To: <20130709111023.6f817412@dino.qtrac>
References: <20130709111023.6f817412@dino.qtrac>
Message-ID: <DUB121-W443BCADE72D0CF9AAD4127E9790@phx.gbl>

Hello Mark,
Thank you for sending the email, I would be delighted to attend to this course.
I have included my answers below.
Thank youRegards,Lisa Sau

> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:10:23 +0100
> From: list at qtrac.plus.com
> To: python-uk at python.org
> Subject: [python-uk] Interest in Python Open Enrolment?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Over the years I've delivered many on-site custom Python courses, but
> I'm now thinking about offering one or two open-enrolment courses.
> 
> If this might be of interest, I'd be grateful if you'd respond to the
> questions below---and please reply only to me so as not to clutter the
> list (the default reply is to the list).
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Each course would have a max. of 10 participants and run for 4 or 5 days.
> 
> (1) Which courses would be of interest:
>     [Yes ] Learn to Program with Python (no experience necessary)
>     [ ] Python Programming (for non-Python programmers)
>     [ ] Intermediate/Advanced Python Programming (for Python programmers)
>     [ ] Other (please specify):
> 
> (2) Which version of Python would be of interest:
>     ( ) 2.7
>     (Yes ) 3.1+
> 
> (3) Which location would be of interest:
>     (Yes ) London
>     ( ) Cardiff
>     ( ) Swansea
> 
> (4) Which dates would be of interest:
>     (Yes ) October 2013
>     (Yes ) March 2014
>     ( ) April 2014
>     ( ) May 2014
> 
> -- 
> Mark Summerfield, Qtrac Ltd, www.qtrac.eu
>     C++, Python, Qt, PyQt - training and consultancy
>         "Python in Practice" - ISBN 978-0321905635
>             http://www.qtrac.eu/pipbook.html
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
 		 	   		  
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From adam.elliott at requiredit.com  Tue Jul  9 12:38:53 2013
From: adam.elliott at requiredit.com (Adam Elliott)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:38:53 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python / Django contracts
Message-ID: <F6DE86F5E08C8040847592DA88B059C5241EE6E7@EXMAIL10.requiredit.com>

Morning all,

I have 3 urgent Python / Django contracts in London paying between ?350-450 p/d.

Initial 3 month engagement (likely to extend) and ideally, to start on the 22nd of this month.

In anyone is interested please email me directly and I will reply with full information.

Many thanks,

Adam Elliott
Division Manager

[Visit our Website]<http://www.requiredit.com/>

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From web.dami at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 18:16:44 2013
From: web.dami at gmail.com (Damilare Onajole)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:16:44 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Python / Django contracts
In-Reply-To: <F6DE86F5E08C8040847592DA88B059C5241EE6E7@EXMAIL10.requiredit.com>
References: <F6DE86F5E08C8040847592DA88B059C5241EE6E7@EXMAIL10.requiredit.com>
Message-ID: <CAMQMF6kJK6Zt50tBJGkUxo0uMCOGhkSieCWtkQLVT2_mBxbspw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Adam,

I am currently on a contract till end of month, so I am interested.

Could you please send me the job spec, I will send you my up to date resume.

Is the opening still available?

Cheers


Yours Sincerely

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On 9 July 2013 11:38, Adam Elliott <adam.elliott at requiredit.com> wrote:

>  Morning all,
>
>
>
> I have 3 urgent Python / Django contracts in London paying between
> ?350-450 p/d.
>
>
>
> Initial 3 month engagement (likely to extend) and ideally, to start on the
> 22nd of this month.
>
>
>
> In anyone is interested please email me directly and I will reply with
> full information.
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Adam Elliott*
> Division Manager
>
> [image: Visit our Website] <http://www.requiredit.com/>
>    ------------------------------
>
> T: 020 8973 3770
>
> Ext: 210
>
> 111 Waldegrave Road
>
> M: 07805 343 311
>
> Teddington, TW11 8BB
>    ------------------------------
>
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From brian at python.org  Thu Jul 11 20:15:18 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:15:18 -0000
Subject: [python-uk] PyCon 2014 Call for Proposals, New Website
Message-ID: <mailman.11.1373566519.3111.python-uk@python.org>

Hi UK Python Users!

It's that time of year again! The PyCon website received a beautiful refresh and we're ready to accept proposals for the 2014 conference taking place April 9-17 in Montreal. Check out the new site at http://us.pycon.org/2014 and create your account today! Registration will open in September, so mark your calendars and get ready to head into Canada for another great PyCon.

We've received record numbers of proposals over each of the last several years, and we expect this year to be no different. For 2012 we received over 500 proposals for talks, tutorials, and posters, and for 2013 we received over 600. This community's excellent submissions have made for schedules where there is just too much good stuff to take in without cloning yourself, which is a problem we're proud to have. Thankfully you can catch up with the talks you missed at http://pyvideo.org/.

If you're interested in submitting a proposal, take a look at our Call for Proposals at http://us.pycon.org/2014/speaking/cfp/ and poke around the site for advice and resources to help you create a great proposal. New for this year are the addition of Lightning Talk proposals, from which we'll be pre-selecting some of the slots that make up the Lightning Talk sessions.


If your company is interested in sponsorship, we need you. Sponsors are what make PyCon a possibility, and sponsorship offers some great values to the generous organizations who support the conference. Check out https://us.pycon.org/2014/sponsors/whysponsor/ to find out what you get out of sponsorship, with a prospectus at https://us.pycon.org/2014/sponsors/prospectus/. Contact Jesse Noller at jnoller at python.org with any sponsorship inquiries.

Keep an eye out for news on our blog at http://pycon.blogspot.com/ and follow us on twitter at https://twitter.com/pycon

Diana Clarke, Chairwoman
diana.joan.clarke at gmail.com

Brian Curtin, Publicity Coordinator
brian at python.org


From kris at automationlogic.com  Fri Jul 12 12:09:38 2013
From: kris at automationlogic.com (Kris Saxton)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:09:38 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The great Salt sprint
Message-ID: <1A48E7CC-11BA-44AD-8F86-766A93AA6607@automationlogic.com>

Hi All,

A while back I gave a talk (http://bit.ly/Z0wFHt) on Salt (http://saltstack.com/): a remote execution engine written in python.

On the 27th July there will be an international Salt coding sprint, a great opportunity for anyone who is (or is thinking about) hacking on Salt to get together with others in the community, share ideas and help improve Salt.

If you're interested, you need to register to attend which you can do here:

http://www.meetup.com/The-London-Python-Group-TLPG/events/129056312/

The event is sponsored so there will be lunch/snacks etc. throughout the day.

Hope to see some of you there.

Best,

Kris

-- 
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e: kris at automationlogic.com 
t: @KrisSaxton

From a.grandi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 12:24:49 2013
From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:24:49 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CANBSuyEfc-ObcrM=u61r9mGuzO3xcN66G0zAb7VGLuwLyoRdEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANBSuyEfc-ObcrM=u61r9mGuzO3xcN66G0zAb7VGLuwLyoRdEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEfxiG1X8uPGFC1q5qUrX2qyn=PHsZt24E91K0foUa2XaYAeUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the nice evening guys :)

It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new.

I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm a
newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in
groups/projects with this target: experts, intermediate, basic. This
will allow new people to partecipate and maybe people like me to code
something.

This was my second Dojo I attended and even this time I didn't feel at
the level of coding the proposed problem. After a while it can be
boring :P

Why don't we try to bring also intermediate and basic problems to
solve so that people at any level can try coding something?

Looking forward to meet you all next time!

On 7 July 2013 13:13, Tom Viner <tom at viner.tv> wrote:
> Greeting from Florence and the EuroPython conference,
>
> As the sprint pizza boxes get cleared away, it reminds me, there's a London
> dojo to announce for this Thursday!
>
> Pizza and social coding for the win. Everyone welcome.
>
> We've got our O'Reilly give-away book ready, it's Think Complexity including
> examples in Python.
>
> Remember, we're back at the office of Fry-IT this month.
>
> Get your tickets here:
> https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-4-episode-11/
>
> Cheers,
> Tom
>
> @tomviner - @ldnpydojo
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>



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From mail at timgolden.me.uk  Fri Jul 12 13:00:33 2013
From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:00:33 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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On 12/07/2013 11:24, a.grandi at gmail.com wrote:
> Thank you for the nice evening guys :)
> 
> It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new.
> 
> I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm a
> newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in
> groups/projects with this target: experts, intermediate, basic. This
> will allow new people to partecipate and maybe people like me to code
> something.
> 
> This was my second Dojo I attended and even this time I didn't feel at
> the level of coding the proposed problem. After a while it can be
> boring :P
> 
> Why don't we try to bring also intermediate and basic problems to
> solve so that people at any level can try coding something?

I'll let the others comment about last night who were actually there for
the coding!

While I'm definitely sympathetic, making sure to involve newbies is not
that easy a problem to solve. (Though that's not to say we can't try).
It pretty much comes down to who's in your team. Sometimes you get a
team which wholeheartedly embraces egalitarianism and passes the
keyboard round like a conch shell; other times, you've got someone
desperately keen who just grasps the challenge du jour by the keyboard
and will hardly let go.

Which brings me to your suggestion of... well, I'm not sure whether
you're suggesting "team streaming", ie a team of newbies, a team of
pros; or whether you're advocating specifically mixing the teams up.
I'll assume the latter as it seems to make more sense in the context.

We've tried to make this happen maybe once or twice in the past. It's
actually very difficult in practice, because you need people to identify
their level of profiency and then divide up on that basis. Actually,
maybe it's not that hard: we could just ask people to put, say, 0, 1 or
2 on their name badge at the beginning to indicate perceived expertise,
and then somehow use that in the grouping. I don't know: something like
that could work.

I think people are likely to be self-deprecating when identifying their
level. I liked a question that Bruce Durling used a few years back: "Are
you more likely to be asking or to be answering questions about Python?".

re bringing easy / intermediate problems along: well, anyone can propose
a problem. I think you're suggesting that *different* problems be solved
during the one evening, some easier, some harder. I don't say we'd never
do it, but in general we like to have everyone working on the same thing
so that, when it comes to the show-and-tell at the end, you're seeing
how another team solved the same problem you solved.

All that said, I'm up for trying anything. I have no issue with having a
specifically newbie-friendly session; or with having a problem which
specifically splits into an easier and a harder component; or with
making teams deliberately mixed ability. But that's just my take.

TJG

From david at deadpansincerity.com  Fri Jul 12 13:10:25 2013
From: david at deadpansincerity.com (David Miller)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:10:25 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden <mail at timgolden.me.uk> wrote:

> All that said, I'm up for trying anything.
>

The repetitive & predictable use of Python as the main programming language
at the LPD has long been a problem...

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From a.grandi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 13:18:57 2013
From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:18:57 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Hi,

On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden <mail at timgolden.me.uk> wrote:
> While I'm definitely sympathetic, making sure to involve newbies is not
> that easy a problem to solve. (Though that's not to say we can't try).
> It pretty much comes down to who's in your team. Sometimes you get a
> team which wholeheartedly embraces egalitarianism and passes the
> keyboard round like a conch shell; other times, you've got someone
> desperately keen who just grasps the challenge du jour by the keyboard
> and will hardly let go.

I was offered to take the keyboard (we were in the same team if I'm
not wrong) and do some coding but I refused because I was both too
tired and because I felt I was not at the proper level to code that
problem.

> Which brings me to your suggestion of... well, I'm not sure whether
> you're suggesting "team streaming", ie a team of newbies, a team of
> pros; or whether you're advocating specifically mixing the teams up.
> I'll assume the latter as it seems to make more sense in the context.

wrong assumpion :P

If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I
will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something.
I think they would be bored by my slowness and by my level. My slow
speed in coding could affect also the whole result (considering also
that we have a stric time to respect)

> We've tried to make this happen maybe once or twice in the past. It's
> actually very difficult in practice, because you need people to identify
> their level of profiency and then divide up on that basis. Actually,
> maybe it's not that hard: we could just ask people to put, say, 0, 1 or
> 2 on their name badge at the beginning to indicate perceived expertise,
> and then somehow use that in the grouping. I don't know: something like
> that could work.

I would put a 1 in my case, hoping to get a easier (and doable)
problem to solve.
If it's still to hard I will try with 0. Better coding something easy
than just watch other people coding.

> I think people are likely to be self-deprecating when identifying their
> level. I liked a question that Bruce Durling used a few years back: "Are
> you more likely to be asking or to be answering questions about Python?".

I won't self depreate ;) if I see that the problem is too easy for me,
I will go to the more difficoult group the next time, no problem at
all.

> re bringing easy / intermediate problems along: well, anyone can propose
> a problem. I think you're suggesting that *different* problems be solved
> during the one evening, some easier, some harder. I don't say we'd never
> do it, but in general we like to have everyone working on the same thing
> so that, when it comes to the show-and-tell at the end, you're seeing
> how another team solved the same problem you solved.

I understand your point, but.....you really risk that people stop
coming to the Python Dojo just because they don't feel to be at the
proper level.

I will probably keep coming anyway, because I really like the "social"
part of the event (beer, meeting people, making new friends, talking
about our jobs etc....), but I will keep watching other people coding.

Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?

> All that said, I'm up for trying anything. I have no issue with having a
> specifically newbie-friendly session; or with having a problem which
> specifically splits into an easier and a harder component; or with
> making teams deliberately mixed ability. But that's just my take.

of course if it's just me wanting this.... no problem, I will adapt
someway, but let's see what the other people think about.

Regards.

-- 
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Ubuntu Member: https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi
website: http://www.andreagrandi.it

From stestagg at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 13:29:40 2013
From: stestagg at gmail.com (Stestagg)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:29:40 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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The only obvious thing I can think of here would be to have a speed-dating
style bell/noise that rings periodically, prompting people to swap over on
the keyboard.

I think this could be quite fun, maybe slightly annoying(?) but worth it,
IMO.

Teams who decide to use multiple laptops should still adopt this, but with
people rotating between the laptops.



On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM, a.grandi at gmail.com <a.grandi at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden <mail at timgolden.me.uk> wrote:
> > While I'm definitely sympathetic, making sure to involve newbies is not
> > that easy a problem to solve. (Though that's not to say we can't try).
> > It pretty much comes down to who's in your team. Sometimes you get a
> > team which wholeheartedly embraces egalitarianism and passes the
> > keyboard round like a conch shell; other times, you've got someone
> > desperately keen who just grasps the challenge du jour by the keyboard
> > and will hardly let go.
>
> I was offered to take the keyboard (we were in the same team if I'm
> not wrong) and do some coding but I refused because I was both too
> tired and because I felt I was not at the proper level to code that
> problem.
>
> > Which brings me to your suggestion of... well, I'm not sure whether
> > you're suggesting "team streaming", ie a team of newbies, a team of
> > pros; or whether you're advocating specifically mixing the teams up.
> > I'll assume the latter as it seems to make more sense in the context.
>
> wrong assumpion :P
>
> If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I
> will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something.
> I think they would be bored by my slowness and by my level. My slow
> speed in coding could affect also the whole result (considering also
> that we have a stric time to respect)
>
> > We've tried to make this happen maybe once or twice in the past. It's
> > actually very difficult in practice, because you need people to identify
> > their level of profiency and then divide up on that basis. Actually,
> > maybe it's not that hard: we could just ask people to put, say, 0, 1 or
> > 2 on their name badge at the beginning to indicate perceived expertise,
> > and then somehow use that in the grouping. I don't know: something like
> > that could work.
>
> I would put a 1 in my case, hoping to get a easier (and doable)
> problem to solve.
> If it's still to hard I will try with 0. Better coding something easy
> than just watch other people coding.
>
> > I think people are likely to be self-deprecating when identifying their
> > level. I liked a question that Bruce Durling used a few years back: "Are
> > you more likely to be asking or to be answering questions about Python?".
>
> I won't self depreate ;) if I see that the problem is too easy for me,
> I will go to the more difficoult group the next time, no problem at
> all.
>
> > re bringing easy / intermediate problems along: well, anyone can propose
> > a problem. I think you're suggesting that *different* problems be solved
> > during the one evening, some easier, some harder. I don't say we'd never
> > do it, but in general we like to have everyone working on the same thing
> > so that, when it comes to the show-and-tell at the end, you're seeing
> > how another team solved the same problem you solved.
>
> I understand your point, but.....you really risk that people stop
> coming to the Python Dojo just because they don't feel to be at the
> proper level.
>
> I will probably keep coming anyway, because I really like the "social"
> part of the event (beer, meeting people, making new friends, talking
> about our jobs etc....), but I will keep watching other people coding.
>
> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>
> > All that said, I'm up for trying anything. I have no issue with having a
> > specifically newbie-friendly session; or with having a problem which
> > specifically splits into an easier and a harder component; or with
> > making teams deliberately mixed ability. But that's just my take.
>
> of course if it's just me wanting this.... no problem, I will adapt
> someway, but let's see what the other people think about.
>
> Regards.
>
> --
> Andrea Grandi -  Software Engineer / Qt Ambassador / Nokia Developer
> Champion
> Ubuntu Member: https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi
> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it
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From mail at timgolden.me.uk  Fri Jul 12 13:29:29 2013
From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:29:29 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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On 12/07/2013 12:10, David Miller wrote:
> On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden <mail at timgolden.me.uk
> <mailto:mail at timgolden.me.uk>> wrote:
> 
>     All that said, I'm up for trying anything.
> 
> 
> The repetitive & predictable use of Python as the main programming
> language at the LPD has long been a problem...

Not to mention the fact that it's always in London. What's that about?

TJG


From michael at grazebrook.com  Fri Jul 12 13:31:56 2013
From: michael at grazebrook.com (Michael Grazebrook)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:31:56 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Perhaps we could stream teams, but also make sure less experienced teams 
have more experienced mentors - mentors who would rarely take the 
keyboard and try to ensure everyone is included.

On 12/07/2013 12:18, a.grandi at gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden <mail at timgolden.me.uk> wrote:
>> While I'm definitely sympathetic, making sure to involve newbies is not
>> that easy a problem to solve. (Though that's not to say we can't try).
>> It pretty much comes down to who's in your team. Sometimes you get a
>> team which wholeheartedly embraces egalitarianism and passes the
>> keyboard round like a conch shell; other times, you've got someone
>> desperately keen who just grasps the challenge du jour by the keyboard
>> and will hardly let go.
> I was offered to take the keyboard (we were in the same team if I'm
> not wrong) and do some coding but I refused because I was both too
> tired and because I felt I was not at the proper level to code that
> problem.
>
>> Which brings me to your suggestion of... well, I'm not sure whether
>> you're suggesting "team streaming", ie a team of newbies, a team of
>> pros; or whether you're advocating specifically mixing the teams up.
>> I'll assume the latter as it seems to make more sense in the context.
> wrong assumpion :P
>
> If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I
> will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something.
> I think they would be bored by my slowness and by my level. My slow
> speed in coding could affect also the whole result (considering also
> that we have a stric time to respect)
>
>> We've tried to make this happen maybe once or twice in the past. It's
>> actually very difficult in practice, because you need people to identify
>> their level of profiency and then divide up on that basis. Actually,
>> maybe it's not that hard: we could just ask people to put, say, 0, 1 or
>> 2 on their name badge at the beginning to indicate perceived expertise,
>> and then somehow use that in the grouping. I don't know: something like
>> that could work.
> I would put a 1 in my case, hoping to get a easier (and doable)
> problem to solve.
> If it's still to hard I will try with 0. Better coding something easy
> than just watch other people coding.
>
>> I think people are likely to be self-deprecating when identifying their
>> level. I liked a question that Bruce Durling used a few years back: "Are
>> you more likely to be asking or to be answering questions about Python?".
> I won't self depreate ;) if I see that the problem is too easy for me,
> I will go to the more difficoult group the next time, no problem at
> all.
>
>> re bringing easy / intermediate problems along: well, anyone can propose
>> a problem. I think you're suggesting that *different* problems be solved
>> during the one evening, some easier, some harder. I don't say we'd never
>> do it, but in general we like to have everyone working on the same thing
>> so that, when it comes to the show-and-tell at the end, you're seeing
>> how another team solved the same problem you solved.
> I understand your point, but.....you really risk that people stop
> coming to the Python Dojo just because they don't feel to be at the
> proper level.
>
> I will probably keep coming anyway, because I really like the "social"
> part of the event (beer, meeting people, making new friends, talking
> about our jobs etc....), but I will keep watching other people coding.
>
> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>
>> All that said, I'm up for trying anything. I have no issue with having a
>> specifically newbie-friendly session; or with having a problem which
>> specifically splits into an easier and a harder component; or with
>> making teams deliberately mixed ability. But that's just my take.
> of course if it's just me wanting this.... no problem, I will adapt
> someway, but let's see what the other people think about.
>
> Regards.
>


From a.grandi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 13:41:30 2013
From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:41:30 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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On 12 July 2013 12:31, Michael Grazebrook <michael at grazebrook.com> wrote:
> Perhaps we could stream teams, but also make sure less experienced teams
> have more experienced mentors - mentors who would rarely take the keyboard
> and try to ensure everyone is included.

+1 for this :)
It would be very kind from expert coders to help newbie.

-- 
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Ubuntu Member: https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi
website: http://www.andreagrandi.it

From mail at timgolden.me.uk  Fri Jul 12 13:46:19 2013
From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:46:19 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Trying to summarise a bit. Hope I haven't misrepresented anyone.

[a.grandi at gmail.com]
Feeling left out as a newbie; proposing different levels of coding
challenge / team group. Suggesting that less experienced coders might
stay away.

[stestagg at gmail.com]
Suggesting a change-now bell or hooter or whatever [similar in fact to
the 5-minute Dojo style we started with way back when, but still with teams]

[Michael Grazebrook]
Suggesting streaming teams but giving each one a mentor who would coach
but not code. (+1 from a.grandi at gmail.com)


None of these ideas are unreasonable. We're taking a break for the
summer now, but it makes sense for the Dojo team to get together before
September (which we probably would have done, anyway) to look at
possible changes to the format, either overall or for specific evenings.

Obviously, bring on more ideas & responses. Ultimately, we won't be able
to please all the people all of the time. But we certainly want to
understand what we could improve.

TJG

From a.grandi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 13:52:41 2013
From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:52:41 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Now you got it correctly :)

Let's wait also for opposite opinions.
We need to understand if there are opposite opinions and what are
their resons, so we can maybe find a common agreement.

Regards :)

p.s: no other Dojos until September? Nooooo, please let's catchup for
a beer sometimes at least :)

On 12 July 2013 12:46, Tim Golden <mail at timgolden.me.uk> wrote:
> Trying to summarise a bit. Hope I haven't misrepresented anyone.
>
> [a.grandi at gmail.com]
> Feeling left out as a newbie; proposing different levels of coding
> challenge / team group. Suggesting that less experienced coders might
> stay away.
>
> [stestagg at gmail.com]
> Suggesting a change-now bell or hooter or whatever [similar in fact to
> the 5-minute Dojo style we started with way back when, but still with teams]
>
> [Michael Grazebrook]
> Suggesting streaming teams but giving each one a mentor who would coach
> but not code. (+1 from a.grandi at gmail.com)
>
>
> None of these ideas are unreasonable. We're taking a break for the
> summer now, but it makes sense for the Dojo team to get together before
> September (which we probably would have done, anyway) to look at
> possible changes to the format, either overall or for specific evenings.
>
> Obviously, bring on more ideas & responses. Ultimately, we won't be able
> to please all the people all of the time. But we certainly want to
> understand what we could improve.
>
> TJG
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk



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website: http://www.andreagrandi.it

From mail at timgolden.me.uk  Fri Jul 12 14:03:56 2013
From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:03:56 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAEfxiG3JAY+8+95JfJ2i+KNFLeOz9eko9T020XsqDTFvYYjw9A@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/07/2013 12:18, a.grandi at gmail.com wrote:
> If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I
> will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something.
> I think they would be bored by my slowness and by my level. My slow
> speed in coding could affect also the whole result (considering also
> that we have a stric time to respect)

Hmmm. Perhaps there's a perception issue here. Speaking for myself, but
-- I believe -- channelling the other organisers, I would say that we're
far more interested in people having a go than in what the team's
finished product is like. Again: a lot depends on who's in your team.

Certainly I have no problem with watching someone code slowly and trying
to get a hold of what's going on, maybe learning a bit. Likewise I have
no problem with someone choosing to observe rather than code in the hope
of seeing how other (perhaps more experienced) people do things.

I would guess that, for any given Dojo, at least one and sometimes two
teams don't actually produce a finished product, but it's always fun to
see where they've gone and what they tried and what doesn't work. (And
there's always the excitement of a live debugging session when they
suddenly spot the issue and try to fix it in situ).


> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?

When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
you can't please all the people all the time.


TJG

From javier at correo.com  Fri Jul 12 15:12:40 2013
From: javier at correo.com (Javier Llopis)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:12:40 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <51DFF0AC.8080606@timgolden.me.uk>
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>> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
>> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>
> When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
> it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
> you can't please all the people all the time.
>

...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.

Just my 2p

J



From alistair.broomhead at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 15:31:43 2013
From: alistair.broomhead at gmail.com (Alistair Broomhead)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:31:43 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount of
organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to volunteer
as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write tests, but their main
role is to advise their team and give them a nudge on things which are
stopping them from progressing. This would mean that each team has an
'expert', but I guess it would also mean people who were willing to take
this role would have to bring a laptop off their own -an issue for me as I
don't own one...
On 12 Jul 2013 14:19, "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com> wrote:

>
> >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
> >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
> >
> > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
> > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
> > you can't please all the people all the time.
> >
>
> ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
> instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>
> Just my 2p
>
> J
>
>
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From xtian at babbageclunk.com  Fri Jul 12 21:53:14 2013
From: xtian at babbageclunk.com (xtian)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:53:14 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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I like the sound of this - Scrapheap Challenge style. You're right, it would take a bit more organisation though.

On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead <alistair.broomhead at gmail.com> wrote:

> Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount of organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to volunteer as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write tests, but their main role is to advise their team and give them a nudge on things which are stopping them from progressing. This would mean that each team has an 'expert', but I guess it would also mean people who were willing to take this role would have to bring a laptop off their own -an issue for me as I don't own one...
> 
> On 12 Jul 2013 14:19, "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
>> >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>> >
>> > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
>> > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
>> > you can't please all the people all the time.
>> >
>> 
>> ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
>> instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>> 
>> Just my 2p
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
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From markeganfuller at googlemail.com  Sat Jul 13 00:10:20 2013
From: markeganfuller at googlemail.com (Mark Egan-Fuller)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:10:20 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 8
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I agree with the scrapheap challenge style. One expert per team ensures
things will actually happen and having someone overview the coding would
ensure a better environment for new and (let's be honest) *other* people
who don't feel they're at the 'right' level.

I have to admit that I didn't feel comfortable coding initially.

The idea of grading people by numbers is good but perhaps some more
questions could be posed to determine this. Or better yet an acceptance of
volunteers for mentor duty. Though I can guess who would end up in doing
that.

Hopefully the above makes some sense.

Mark Egan-Fuller
Sent from my mobile, apologies in advance for any typos.
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>    1. Re: The London Python Dojo is this Thursday (Tim Golden)
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>    3. Re: The London Python Dojo is this Thursday (Tim Golden)
>    4. Re: The London Python Dojo is this Thursday (Javier Llopis)
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tim Golden <mail at timgolden.me.uk>
> To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:46:19 +0100
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
> Trying to summarise a bit. Hope I haven't misrepresented anyone.
>
> [a.grandi at gmail.com]
> Feeling left out as a newbie; proposing different levels of coding
> challenge / team group. Suggesting that less experienced coders might
> stay away.
>
> [stestagg at gmail.com]
> Suggesting a change-now bell or hooter or whatever [similar in fact to
> the 5-minute Dojo style we started with way back when, but still with
> teams]
>
> [Michael Grazebrook]
> Suggesting streaming teams but giving each one a mentor who would coach
> but not code. (+1 from a.grandi at gmail.com)
>
>
> None of these ideas are unreasonable. We're taking a break for the
> summer now, but it makes sense for the Dojo team to get together before
> September (which we probably would have done, anyway) to look at
> possible changes to the format, either overall or for specific evenings.
>
> Obviously, bring on more ideas & responses. Ultimately, we won't be able
> to please all the people all of the time. But we certainly want to
> understand what we could improve.
>
> TJG
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "a.grandi at gmail.com" <a.grandi at gmail.com>
> To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:52:41 +0100
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
> Now you got it correctly :)
>
> Let's wait also for opposite opinions.
> We need to understand if there are opposite opinions and what are
> their resons, so we can maybe find a common agreement.
>
> Regards :)
>
> p.s: no other Dojos until September? Nooooo, please let's catchup for
> a beer sometimes at least :)
>
> On 12 July 2013 12:46, Tim Golden <mail at timgolden.me.uk> wrote:
> > Trying to summarise a bit. Hope I haven't misrepresented anyone.
> >
> > [a.grandi at gmail.com]
> > Feeling left out as a newbie; proposing different levels of coding
> > challenge / team group. Suggesting that less experienced coders might
> > stay away.
> >
> > [stestagg at gmail.com]
> > Suggesting a change-now bell or hooter or whatever [similar in fact to
> > the 5-minute Dojo style we started with way back when, but still with
> teams]
> >
> > [Michael Grazebrook]
> > Suggesting streaming teams but giving each one a mentor who would coach
> > but not code. (+1 from a.grandi at gmail.com)
> >
> >
> > None of these ideas are unreasonable. We're taking a break for the
> > summer now, but it makes sense for the Dojo team to get together before
> > September (which we probably would have done, anyway) to look at
> > possible changes to the format, either overall or for specific evenings.
> >
> > Obviously, bring on more ideas & responses. Ultimately, we won't be able
> > to please all the people all of the time. But we certainly want to
> > understand what we could improve.
> >
> > TJG
> > _______________________________________________
> > python-uk mailing list
> > python-uk at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
>
>
> --
> Andrea Grandi -  Software Engineer / Qt Ambassador / Nokia Developer
> Champion
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> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tim Golden <mail at timgolden.me.uk>
> To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:03:56 +0100
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
> On 12/07/2013 12:18, a.grandi at gmail.com wrote:
> > If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I
> > will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something.
> > I think they would be bored by my slowness and by my level. My slow
> > speed in coding could affect also the whole result (considering also
> > that we have a stric time to respect)
>
> Hmmm. Perhaps there's a perception issue here. Speaking for myself, but
> -- I believe -- channelling the other organisers, I would say that we're
> far more interested in people having a go than in what the team's
> finished product is like. Again: a lot depends on who's in your team.
>
> Certainly I have no problem with watching someone code slowly and trying
> to get a hold of what's going on, maybe learning a bit. Likewise I have
> no problem with someone choosing to observe rather than code in the hope
> of seeing how other (perhaps more experienced) people do things.
>
> I would guess that, for any given Dojo, at least one and sometimes two
> teams don't actually produce a finished product, but it's always fun to
> see where they've gone and what they tried and what doesn't work. (And
> there's always the excitement of a live debugging session when they
> suddenly spot the issue and try to fix it in situ).
>
>
> > Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
> > level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>
> When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
> it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
> you can't please all the people all the time.
>
>
> TJG
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com>
> To: "UK Python Users" <python-uk at python.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:12:40 +0100
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
>
> >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
> >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
> >
> > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
> > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
> > you can't please all the people all the time.
> >
>
> ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
> instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>
> Just my 2p
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Alistair Broomhead <alistair.broomhead at gmail.com>
> To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:31:43 +0100
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
>
> Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount of
> organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to volunteer
> as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write tests, but their main
> role is to advise their team and give them a nudge on things which are
> stopping them from progressing. This would mean that each team has an
> 'expert', but I guess it would also mean people who were willing to take
> this role would have to bring a laptop off their own -an issue for me as I
> don't own one...
> On 12 Jul 2013 14:19, "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
>> >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>> >
>> > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
>> > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
>> > you can't please all the people all the time.
>> >
>>
>> ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
>> instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>>
>> Just my 2p
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> python-uk mailing list
>> python-uk at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: xtian <xtian at babbageclunk.com>
> To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
> Cc: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org>
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:53:14 +0100
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
> I like the sound of this - Scrapheap Challenge style. You're right, it
> would take a bit more organisation though.
>
> On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead <alistair.broomhead at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount of
> organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to volunteer
> as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write tests, but their main
> role is to advise their team and give them a nudge on things which are
> stopping them from progressing. This would mean that each team has an
> 'expert', but I guess it would also mean people who were willing to take
> this role would have to bring a laptop off their own -an issue for me as I
> don't own one...
> On 12 Jul 2013 14:19, "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
>> >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>> >
>> > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
>> > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
>> > you can't please all the people all the time.
>> >
>>
>> ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
>> instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>>
>> Just my 2p
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From pyuk at getaroundtoit.co.uk  Sat Jul 13 05:18:54 2013
From: pyuk at getaroundtoit.co.uk (DL Neil)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 15:18:54 +1200
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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>> If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I
>> will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something.
...

> Hmmm. Perhaps there's a perception issue here. Speaking for myself, but
> -- I believe -- channelling the other organisers, I would say that we're
> far more interested in people having a go than in what the team's
> finished product is like. Again: a lot depends on who's in your team.
>
> Certainly I have no problem with watching someone code slowly and trying
> to get a hold of what's going on, maybe learning a bit. Likewise I have
> no problem with someone choosing to observe rather than code in the hope
> of seeing how other (perhaps more experienced) people do things.
...

>> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
>> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>
> When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
> it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
> you can't please all the people all the time.


Isn't the concept of "dojo", that whilst all strive for mastery, each is 
at a different level along the path?

This not so different from any other club/group. Quite often solved by 
different evenings (but then 'seniors' have to turn-up twice else no-one 
to lead the 'juniors' - see above fear), or by having different 'grades' 
at different times during the meeting.

Thought: use the numbering system to form teams. Start the meeting with 
easier topics during which no 'senior' will take the keyboard (or at 
least not the lead) but restricting themselves to asking design 
questions, eg what-if or have-you-thought-of...; then later moving to 
more difficult challenges where the 'intermediates' take control/command 
the pace; and finally the 'seniors' grasp some nettle and others watch 
(and marvel?) - but are allowed to ask questions to seek explanations/learn!


As for this Python predilection: what other choice is there?

Sympathise with the always-in-London thing though. Now that am over one 
hour north of Auckland it's a 30-something hour trip just to make it to 
a meeting which wouldn't be so bad except for getting home from the pub 
afterwards - haven't found a cabbie yet who'll drive this far 
out-of-town at that hour...

-- 
Regards,
=dn

From lvisintini at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 14:58:30 2013
From: lvisintini at gmail.com (Luis Visintini)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:58:30 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Pycon schedule question
Message-ID: <CADij_+rE0F58EZFd+maMVyo8ajfpMojvmiYSuudBv6dUqrvPBw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Perhaps it's too early for this, but I could not find a schedule this
year's Pycon.

I would like to go, but I may want go only for saturday and sunday, so I
would like to know what would I be missing.

I heard that on Monday there will be sprints.
I presume that the main events will take place in Saturday and Sunday. Is
this correct?
What about Friday?

regards,

Luis
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From a.grandi at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 15:23:04 2013
From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:23:04 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Hi,

On 13 July 2013 04:18, DL Neil <pyuk at getaroundtoit.co.uk> wrote:
> As for this Python predilection: what other choice is there?
>
> Sympathise with the always-in-London thing though. Now that am over one hour
> north of Auckland it's a 30-something hour trip just to make it to a meeting
> which wouldn't be so bad except for getting home from the pub afterwards -
> haven't found a cabbie yet who'll drive this far out-of-town at that hour...

ehm... I did think it was a joke, but... just in case... the name of
the event is LONDON PYTHON Dojo :)
If you want to code in Ruby and organize it in Liverpool (for
example), organize the Liverpool Ruby Dojo :P

-- 
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Ubuntu Member: https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi
website: http://www.andreagrandi.it

From russel at winder.org.uk  Sat Jul 13 21:34:37 2013
From: russel at winder.org.uk (Russel Winder)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:34:37 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Interest in Python Open Enrolment?
In-Reply-To: <20130709111023.6f817412@dino.qtrac>
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Hi,

> Over the years I've delivered many on-site custom Python courses, but
> I'm now thinking about offering one or two open-enrolment courses.
> 
> If this might be of interest, I'd be grateful if you'd respond to the
> questions below---and please reply only to me so as not to clutter the
> list (the default reply is to the list).

Just to add an element of competition to things, I must point out that
many of us do private Python programming courses, introductory,
intermediate and advanced, and indeed public courses. I run my public
Python Programming Workshop via Skills Matter.

http://skillsmatter.com/course/home/russel-winders-python-workshop

> ------------------------------------------------------------
[?]
> (2) Which version of Python would be of interest:
>     ( ) 2.7
>     ( ) 3.1+
[?]

Personally I feel all public courses should always be using Python 3.3
or at worst 3.2 (but 3.3 is a winner because of pyvenv and unittest.mock
amongst a whole slew of other things.)

Some organizations clearly need 2.7 for private courses, but I think the
time is past when 2.7 was seen as the version to teach for public
courses.


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From pyuk at getaroundtoit.co.uk  Sun Jul 14 00:01:27 2013
From: pyuk at getaroundtoit.co.uk (DL Neil)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:01:27 +1200
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Hi Andrea,

> On 13 July 2013 04:18, DL Neil <pyuk at getaroundtoit.co.uk> wrote:
>> As for this Python predilection: what other choice is there?
>>
>> Sympathise with the always-in-London thing though. Now that am over one hour
>> north of Auckland it's a 30-something hour trip just to make it to a meeting
>> which wouldn't be so bad except for getting home from the pub afterwards -
>> haven't found a cabbie yet who'll drive this far out-of-town at that hour...
>
> ehm... I did think it was a joke, but... just in case... the name of
> the event is LONDON PYTHON Dojo :)

Correct. The third joke in this thread.

Sorry, that confounded English sense of humor...

-- 
Regards,
=dn

From a.grandi at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 00:04:37 2013
From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 23:04:37 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Hi,

On 13 July 2013 23:01, DL Neil <pyuk at getaroundtoit.co.uk> wrote:
>> ehm... I did think it was a joke, but... just in case... the name of
>> the event is LONDON PYTHON Dojo :)
>
>
> Correct. The third joke in this thread.
>
> Sorry, that confounded English sense of humor...

excuse me ;)
My english is far from perfect. I moved here just 3 months ago :)

-- 
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From pyuk at getaroundtoit.co.uk  Sun Jul 14 00:12:33 2013
From: pyuk at getaroundtoit.co.uk (DL Neil)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:12:33 +1200
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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>> Correct. The third joke in this thread.
>>
>> Sorry, that confounded English sense of humor...
>
> excuse me ;)
> My english is far from perfect. I moved here just 3 months ago :)

Not at all, exactly as presumed.

Tip of the hat to you. Mastering a second-language is an enormous 
challenge, but getting one's head around the humor is even more so. I 
refer to myself as a polyclot (cf polyglot) because I know only enough 
to make a fool of myself in multiple languages (including US-EN, 
Oztrarlian, Kaiwai-English, etc).

-- 
Regards,
=dn

From andrea.crotti.0 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 12:48:55 2013
From: andrea.crotti.0 at gmail.com (andrea crotti)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:48:55 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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2013/7/12 a.grandi at gmail.com <a.grandi at gmail.com>

> Thank you for the nice evening guys :)
>
> It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new.
>
> I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm a
> newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in
> groups/projects with this target: experts, intermediate, basic. This
> will allow new people to partecipate and maybe people like me to code
> something.
>
> This was my second Dojo I attended and even this time I didn't feel at
> the level of coding the proposed problem. After a while it can be
> boring :P
>
> Why don't we try to bring also intermediate and basic problems to
> solve so that people at any level can try coding something?
>
> Looking forward to meet you all next time!
>
>
In my opinion in general the way we work at the dojo is not exactly what a
coding dojo is supposed to be..
If you look here for example:
http://codekata.pragprog.com/
You'll see that all the problems are very simple, but they all stress a
different area/skills.

The fact that we are working on complex problems means that everyone is
rushing and only using techniques that *he/she already knows*, because
that's the only way to get something done.

The other thing I don't like so much is the size of the groups, it's hard
collaborate in 4/5 people leaving everyone involved, and we waste a lot of
time understanding how to split the task and how to merge the things
together.

Another thing which they do in another dojo is split in three phases, and
everytime solve again *the same problem* (maybe with different constraints)
but working in couples and changing couples every time..

Working in couples of course means more to show at the show & tell, but if
we limit it to 3 minutes each for example it's fine anyway, and everyone
gets some feedback from other fellow programmers about his/her result.

So to summarize my proposal in general would be:
- easier/shorter problems focusing on a specific skill (or adding
constraints like "minimize side effects" for example)
- smaller groups of 2 or max 3 people
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From carles at pina.cat  Sun Jul 14 13:08:01 2013
From: carles at pina.cat (Carles Pina i Estany)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:08:01 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Hi,

On Jul/14/2013, andrea crotti wrote:

> The fact that we are working on complex problems means that everyone
> is rushing and only using techniques that *he/she already knows*,
> because that's the only way to get something done.

sometimes has been too complex. But sometimes I just downgrade the
"fancy problem" to something easier.

Last Thursday I could rephrase the problem to:
One have 6 rows. Write two random words in two different rows:

-row 1: aword
-row 2:
-row 3: someotherword
-row 4:
-row 5:
-row 6:

Write an across word with the regular expression ^w.o..." (column 2) and
another one "^o.m..." (for column 4).

For me, part of the exercise sometimes (in my opinion) is to find what
in some literature they call "MVP" :-D (if we go fancy, Minimum Viable
Product I think).

> The other thing I don't like so much is the size of the groups, it's
> hard collaborate in 4/5 people leaving everyone involved, and we waste
> a lot of time understanding how to split the task and how to merge the
> things together.

it depends on the group (or the mood of the group) and problem.

As mentioned, similar problems happens in other place. For example at my
tennis table club: mix of levels, some advanced players don't want to
play with beginners. Some other advance players give too MANY
suggestions to beginners and the beginners cannot process all at the
same time and then it's not fun but stressful for them.

Also, I have to recognize that some months I'm in a more programming
mood, other months less programming mood (due the Dojo being after a
work day).

-- 
Carles Pina i Estany
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From andrea.crotti.0 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 13:50:54 2013
From: andrea.crotti.0 at gmail.com (andrea crotti)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:50:54 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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2013/7/14 Carles Pina i Estany <carles at pina.cat>

>
> Hi,
>
> On Jul/14/2013, andrea crotti wrote:
>
> > The fact that we are working on complex problems means that everyone
> > is rushing and only using techniques that *he/she already knows*,
> > because that's the only way to get something done.
>
> sometimes has been too complex. But sometimes I just downgrade the
> "fancy problem" to something easier.
>
> Last Thursday I could rephrase the problem to:
> One have 6 rows. Write two random words in two different rows:
>
> -row 1: aword
> -row 2:
> -row 3: someotherword
> -row 4:
> -row 5:
> -row 6:
>
> Write an across word with the regular expression ^w.o..." (column 2) and
> another one "^o.m..." (for column 4).
>
> For me, part of the exercise sometimes (in my opinion) is to find what
> in some literature they call "MVP" :-D (if we go fancy, Minimum Viable
> Product I think).
>

Which in a way is great and is a very good skill, but then what happens is
that every group end up solving a very small subset of the problem and
there isn't really much to compare with the others from the
design/implementation point of view.

I'm not saying it's bad, just saying that it's probably not exactly what a
coding dojo normally is..


>
> > The other thing I don't like so much is the size of the groups, it's
> > hard collaborate in 4/5 people leaving everyone involved, and we waste
> > a lot of time understanding how to split the task and how to merge the
> > things together.
>
> it depends on the group (or the mood of the group) and problem.
>
> As mentioned, similar problems happens in other place. For example at my
> tennis table club: mix of levels, some advanced players don't want to
> play with beginners. Some other advance players give too MANY
> suggestions to beginners and the beginners cannot process all at the
> same time and then it's not fun but stressful for them.
>
> Also, I have to recognize that some months I'm in a more programming
> mood, other months less programming mood (due the Dojo being after a
> work day).
>

That's true of course, to me the important thing would be that everyone has
fun AND learn something, which could be a new Python idiom, a new algorithm
or anything else.. Rushing solutions doesn't really let you do it, and it
seems more like work than a dojo to me..
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From carles at pina.cat  Sun Jul 14 14:05:27 2013
From: carles at pina.cat (Carles Pina i Estany)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:05:27 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Hi,

On Jul/14/2013, andrea crotti wrote:
> 2013/7/14 Carles Pina i Estany <carles at pina.cat>
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Jul/14/2013, andrea crotti wrote:
> >
> > > The fact that we are working on complex problems means that everyone
> > > is rushing and only using techniques that *he/she already knows*,
> > > because that's the only way to get something done.
> >
> > sometimes has been too complex. But sometimes I just downgrade the
> > "fancy problem" to something easier.
> >
> > Last Thursday I could rephrase the problem to:
> > One have 6 rows. Write two random words in two different rows:
> >
> > -row 1: aword
> > -row 2:
> > -row 3: someotherword
> > -row 4:
> > -row 5:
> > -row 6:
> >
> > Write an across word with the regular expression ^w.o..." (column 2) and
> > another one "^o.m..." (for column 4).
> >
> > For me, part of the exercise sometimes (in my opinion) is to find what
> > in some literature they call "MVP" :-D (if we go fancy, Minimum Viable
> > Product I think).
> >
> 
> Which in a way is great and is a very good skill, but then what happens is
> that every group end up solving a very small subset of the problem and
> there isn't really much to compare with the others from the
> design/implementation point of view.
> 
> I'm not saying it's bad, just saying that it's probably not exactly what a
> coding dojo normally is..

funny enough, when it's super-specified and quoting you later in your
email: "it seems more like work than a dojo to me.." :-) I like some
freedom in what to implement, not in only how to implement.

-- 
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From mail at timgolden.me.uk  Sun Jul 14 15:12:24 2013
From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:12:24 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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On 14/07/2013 11:48, andrea crotti wrote:
> In my opinion in general the way we work at the dojo is not exactly what
> a coding dojo is supposed to be..

As organisers, we're aware that this is the case. We started off more or 
less attempting to follow the classical Dojo pattern but very quickly 
branched off into pretty much the way we do things now. We still call it 
a Dojo but it's not what other people think of as such.

[... eliding worthwhile points you're making because I'm in a hurry ...]

As I mentioned before, I'll try to get the Dojo team together in person 
or virtually over the summer to take on peoples comments and ideas. I've 
not seen anything suggested in this thread which is ridiculous. At the 
same time, even if we change things around, I can't see us creating an 
amalgam of everyone's ideas. Someone's going to find it suboptimal in 
some way. At which point they'll either keep coming and make the most, 
or perhaps start an alternative venture -- which can only be welcome; 
the more Python initiatives the better -- perhaps more to the liking of 
some people, or just stop getting involved.

TJG

From ntoll at ntoll.org  Sun Jul 14 17:58:29 2013
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:58:29 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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Hi,

Just catching up with this thread...

Regarding mismatch of skills. In teacher parlance this is called
differentiation - setting things up (in a classroom or event like the
dojo) so participants of different levels can all still have a
positive learning experience.

The usual way *I* do this is to point out that attendees have
responsibilities: if you're a beginner you *must* ask questions and
not accept confusing, jargon filled gobble-de-gook as a satisfactory
answer. Alternatively, if you're an experienced Python developer your
practice as a programmer and understanding of the way things work is
improved by reflecting upon and explaining in as simple a way as
possible the problem or solution at hand.

As for sticking to any "dojo" format - I think that "painting by
numbers" (blindly following a dojo recipe) is not a great way to go.
My advice is always to do what works for you (as a group). If you're
not getting what you want from the dojo - mention it (as has happened)
and, if required, make an improvement. To my mind, this applies
equally to our current team based format as it does to the original
more formal way of running things.

I deal with most of these things in this blog post (especially the
presentation at the end):

http://ntoll.org/article/how-to-run-an-awesome-code-dojo

Regarding problems: they need to be solvable in about an hour. Some
problems suggested in the dojo are blatantly bonkers. Some look
interesting but are, after a little reflection, obviously going to be
hard (like this month's). I know *I* try to guide the choice of
problems when I'm acting as cat-herder so we find a challenging,
do-able and fun problem to solve. ;-)

The dojo appears to be a do-ocracy and I'm pleased to see that we, as
a community, are coming together, discussing how the dojo can be
improved and I'm pretty confident that "stuff will happen". We're a
cosmopolitan group so there's I don't see why this can't be reflected
in the way we do things in the dojo. If you want to cat-herd a dojo
please get in touch - it's not as hard as the name suggests and it's
actually quite a lot of fun.

Nice one!

Nicholas.

On 12/07/13 11:24, a.grandi at gmail.com wrote:
> Thank you for the nice evening guys :)
> 
> It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new.
> 
> I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm
> a newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in 
> groups/projects with this target: experts, intermediate, basic.
> This will allow new people to partecipate and maybe people like me
> to code something.
> 
> This was my second Dojo I attended and even this time I didn't feel
> at the level of coding the proposed problem. After a while it can
> be boring :P
> 
> Why don't we try to bring also intermediate and basic problems to 
> solve so that people at any level can try coding something?
> 
> Looking forward to meet you all next time!
> 
> On 7 July 2013 13:13, Tom Viner <tom at viner.tv> wrote:
>> Greeting from Florence and the EuroPython conference,
>> 
>> As the sprint pizza boxes get cleared away, it reminds me,
>> there's a London dojo to announce for this Thursday!
>> 
>> Pizza and social coding for the win. Everyone welcome.
>> 
>> We've got our O'Reilly give-away book ready, it's Think
>> Complexity including examples in Python.
>> 
>> Remember, we're back at the office of Fry-IT this month.
>> 
>> Get your tickets here: 
>> https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-4-episode-11/
>>
>>
>> 
Cheers,
>> Tom
>> 
>> @tomviner - @ldnpydojo
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing
>> list python-uk at python.org 
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>> 
> 
> 
> 

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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Mon Jul 15 09:31:13 2013
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:31:13 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Come help me design a programming language...
Message-ID: <51E3A541.8000207@ntoll.org>

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Hi All,

Some of you may know that I'm hacking on a fun personal project called
the drogulus. It's a programmable peer-to-peer data store written in
Python.

The "peer-to-peer data store" aspect is almost finished. The
"programmable" aspect is rather less so. I'm attempting to write a
simple Lisp to use as the programming language in/on the drogulus. I'm
calling it Logos (say log-oss).

I'd like help and figured that there are bound to be some super-duper
people on this mailing list for whom writing a Lisp (in Python) sounds
fun.

I'll be holding a "drogulus open house" at my new home in Towcester
over the following weekend dates: from the evening of Friday 26th July
until the late afternoon of Sunday 28th.

Details here:

http://ntoll.org/article/drogulus-at-home

If you're interested, ping me an email.

It'll be fun!

Best wishes,

Nicholas.
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From a.grandi at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 10:45:37 2013
From: a.grandi at gmail.com (a.grandi at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:45:37 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <51E2CAA5.2020406@ntoll.org>
References: <CANBSuyEfc-ObcrM=u61r9mGuzO3xcN66G0zAb7VGLuwLyoRdEw@mail.gmail.com>
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I propose to meet in person somewhere, before next Dojo, and gather
the ideas proposed in this thread, to understand together how we can
improve the dojo. What do you think about?

On 14 July 2013 16:58, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi,
>
> Just catching up with this thread...
>
> Regarding mismatch of skills. In teacher parlance this is called
> differentiation - setting things up (in a classroom or event like the
> dojo) so participants of different levels can all still have a
> positive learning experience.
>
> The usual way *I* do this is to point out that attendees have
> responsibilities: if you're a beginner you *must* ask questions and
> not accept confusing, jargon filled gobble-de-gook as a satisfactory
> answer. Alternatively, if you're an experienced Python developer your
> practice as a programmer and understanding of the way things work is
> improved by reflecting upon and explaining in as simple a way as
> possible the problem or solution at hand.
>
> As for sticking to any "dojo" format - I think that "painting by
> numbers" (blindly following a dojo recipe) is not a great way to go.
> My advice is always to do what works for you (as a group). If you're
> not getting what you want from the dojo - mention it (as has happened)
> and, if required, make an improvement. To my mind, this applies
> equally to our current team based format as it does to the original
> more formal way of running things.
>
> I deal with most of these things in this blog post (especially the
> presentation at the end):
>
> http://ntoll.org/article/how-to-run-an-awesome-code-dojo
>
> Regarding problems: they need to be solvable in about an hour. Some
> problems suggested in the dojo are blatantly bonkers. Some look
> interesting but are, after a little reflection, obviously going to be
> hard (like this month's). I know *I* try to guide the choice of
> problems when I'm acting as cat-herder so we find a challenging,
> do-able and fun problem to solve. ;-)
>
> The dojo appears to be a do-ocracy and I'm pleased to see that we, as
> a community, are coming together, discussing how the dojo can be
> improved and I'm pretty confident that "stuff will happen". We're a
> cosmopolitan group so there's I don't see why this can't be reflected
> in the way we do things in the dojo. If you want to cat-herd a dojo
> please get in touch - it's not as hard as the name suggests and it's
> actually quite a lot of fun.
>
> Nice one!
>
> Nicholas.
>
> On 12/07/13 11:24, a.grandi at gmail.com wrote:
>> Thank you for the nice evening guys :)
>>
>> It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new.
>>
>> I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm
>> a newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in
>> groups/projects with this target: experts, intermediate, basic.
>> This will allow new people to partecipate and maybe people like me
>> to code something.
>>
>> This was my second Dojo I attended and even this time I didn't feel
>> at the level of coding the proposed problem. After a while it can
>> be boring :P
>>
>> Why don't we try to bring also intermediate and basic problems to
>> solve so that people at any level can try coding something?
>>
>> Looking forward to meet you all next time!
>>
>> On 7 July 2013 13:13, Tom Viner <tom at viner.tv> wrote:
>>> Greeting from Florence and the EuroPython conference,
>>>
>>> As the sprint pizza boxes get cleared away, it reminds me,
>>> there's a London dojo to announce for this Thursday!
>>>
>>> Pizza and social coding for the win. Everyone welcome.
>>>
>>> We've got our O'Reilly give-away book ready, it's Think
>>> Complexity including examples in Python.
>>>
>>> Remember, we're back at the office of Fry-IT this month.
>>>
>>> Get your tickets here:
>>> https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-4-episode-11/
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Cheers,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> @tomviner - @ldnpydojo
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing
>>> list python-uk at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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From tartley at tartley.com  Mon Jul 15 13:59:20 2013
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:59:20 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <77C0B13D-7F1E-4559-B220-34CA1D977EB3@babbageclunk.com>
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I don't think this helps, but it's a model I think is otherwise widely 
applicable, so I'll spread the seed:

One model I've seen work well on game programming challenges is that 
self-selected leaders will each pitch their project vision, and then 
participants will decide which leader's team they would like to join. 
Leaders may also prefer other pitches to their own, and decide to revoke 
or merge pitches (generally, only one leader in a merged pitch will 
retain the 'leader' tag)

This has advantages that:

* self-selected leaders are vetted by the crowd. If they are revealed, 
during their pitch, to be blustering buffoons, then people can vote with 
their feet.

* everyone gets to work with the project/leadership that they choose, so 
in theory happiness is maximised (for everyone apart from the 'failed' 
project leaders.)

* projects which are popular are allocated correspondingly generous 
personpower.

The disadvantages are:

* It isn't remotely relevant to our current dojo format

* It doesn't give even distribution of team sizes

     Jonathan



On 12/07/13 20:53, xtian wrote:
> I like the sound of this - Scrapheap Challenge style. You're right, it 
> would take a bit more organisation though.
>
> On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead 
> <alistair.broomhead at gmail.com <mailto:alistair.broomhead at gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>> Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount 
>> of organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to 
>> volunteer as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write 
>> tests, but their main role is to advise their team and give them a 
>> nudge on things which are stopping them from progressing. This would 
>> mean that each team has an 'expert', but I guess it would also mean 
>> people who were willing to take this role would have to bring a 
>> laptop off their own -an issue for me as I don't own one...
>>
>> On 12 Jul 2013 14:19, "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com 
>> <mailto:javier at correo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not
>>     for my
>>     >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>>     >
>>     > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for
>>     them, then
>>     > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as
>>     possible, but
>>     > you can't please all the people all the time.
>>     >
>>
>>     ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
>>     instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>>
>>     Just my 2p
>>
>>     J
>>
>>
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>
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From renesd at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 14:14:23 2013
From: renesd at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Dudfield?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:14:23 +0200
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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That could work with a theme... the goal doesn't have to be a game?   It's
more inventing the problem as you go?

Unrelated thought for a good exercise... new requirements are introduced at
half time... and then 5 minutes before the end... like real life.
On Jul 15, 2013 2:05 PM, "Jonathan Hartley" <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:

>  I don't think this helps, but it's a model I think is otherwise widely
> applicable, so I'll spread the seed:
>
> One model I've seen work well on game programming challenges is that
> self-selected leaders will each pitch their project vision, and then
> participants will decide which leader's team they would like to join.
> Leaders may also prefer other pitches to their own, and decide to revoke or
> merge pitches (generally, only one leader in a merged pitch will retain the
> 'leader' tag)
>
> This has advantages that:
>
> * self-selected leaders are vetted by the crowd. If they are revealed,
> during their pitch, to be blustering buffoons, then people can vote with
> their feet.
>
> * everyone gets to work with the project/leadership that they choose, so
> in theory happiness is maximised (for everyone apart from the 'failed'
> project leaders.)
>
> * projects which are popular are allocated correspondingly generous
> personpower.
>
> The disadvantages are:
>
> * It isn't remotely relevant to our current dojo format
>
> * It doesn't give even distribution of team sizes
>
>     Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 12/07/13 20:53, xtian wrote:
>
> I like the sound of this - Scrapheap Challenge style. You're right, it
> would take a bit more organisation though.
>
> On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead <alistair.broomhead at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>   Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount of
> organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to volunteer
> as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write tests, but their main
> role is to advise their team and give them a nudge on things which are
> stopping them from progressing. This would mean that each team has an
> 'expert', but I guess it would also mean people who were willing to take
> this role would have to bring a laptop off their own -an issue for me as I
> don't own one...
> On 12 Jul 2013 14:19, "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
>> >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>> >
>> > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
>> > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
>> > you can't please all the people all the time.
>> >
>>
>> ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
>> instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>>
>> Just my 2p
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> python-uk mailing list
>> python-uk at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
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>
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>
>
>
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From tartley at tartley.com  Mon Jul 15 14:24:42 2013
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:24:42 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Pycon schedule question
In-Reply-To: <CADij_+rE0F58EZFd+maMVyo8ajfpMojvmiYSuudBv6dUqrvPBw@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't know anything about this years PyCon, but if you look at the 
schedule for last year:

https://us.pycon.org/2012/schedule/

there was training Wed, Thu
talks Fri, Sat, Sun-morning
sprints after that.


On 13/07/13 13:58, Luis Visintini wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Perhaps it's too early for this, but I could not find a schedule this 
> year's Pycon.
>
> I would like to go, but I may want go only for saturday and sunday, so 
> I would like to know what would I be missing.
>
> I heard that on Monday there will be sprints.
> I presume that the main events will take place in Saturday and Sunday. 
> Is this correct?
> What about Friday?
>
> regards,
>
> Luis
>
>
>
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From: stestagg at gmail.com (Stestagg)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:33:24 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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I wonder, with the dojo happening every month, and most people turning up
most times, if this might turn into a bit of a popularity contest.

If a leader won last time, then people will be more likely to go for the
'safe option' and join that person next time.

I do like the current method of having random team choices

Steve


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Ren? Dudfield <renesd at gmail.com> wrote:

> That could work with a theme... the goal doesn't have to be a game?   It's
> more inventing the problem as you go?
>
> Unrelated thought for a good exercise... new requirements are introduced
> at half time... and then 5 minutes before the end... like real life.
> On Jul 15, 2013 2:05 PM, "Jonathan Hartley" <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:
>
>>  I don't think this helps, but it's a model I think is otherwise widely
>> applicable, so I'll spread the seed:
>>
>> One model I've seen work well on game programming challenges is that
>> self-selected leaders will each pitch their project vision, and then
>> participants will decide which leader's team they would like to join.
>> Leaders may also prefer other pitches to their own, and decide to revoke or
>> merge pitches (generally, only one leader in a merged pitch will retain the
>> 'leader' tag)
>>
>> This has advantages that:
>>
>> * self-selected leaders are vetted by the crowd. If they are revealed,
>> during their pitch, to be blustering buffoons, then people can vote with
>> their feet.
>>
>> * everyone gets to work with the project/leadership that they choose, so
>> in theory happiness is maximised (for everyone apart from the 'failed'
>> project leaders.)
>>
>> * projects which are popular are allocated correspondingly generous
>> personpower.
>>
>> The disadvantages are:
>>
>> * It isn't remotely relevant to our current dojo format
>>
>> * It doesn't give even distribution of team sizes
>>
>>     Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/07/13 20:53, xtian wrote:
>>
>> I like the sound of this - Scrapheap Challenge style. You're right, it
>> would take a bit more organisation though.
>>
>> On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead <
>> alistair.broomhead at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount
>> of organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to
>> volunteer as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write tests, but
>> their main role is to advise their team and give them a nudge on things
>> which are stopping them from progressing. This would mean that each team
>> has an 'expert', but I guess it would also mean people who were willing to
>> take this role would have to bring a laptop off their own -an issue for me
>> as I don't own one...
>> On 12 Jul 2013 14:19, "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
>>> >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>>> >
>>> > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
>>> > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
>>> > you can't please all the people all the time.
>>> >
>>>
>>> ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
>>> instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>>>
>>> Just my 2p
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>> Made of meat.       +44 7737 062 225       twitter/skype: tartley
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From harry.percival at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 14:36:37 2013
From: harry.percival at gmail.com (Harry Percival)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:36:37 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Pycon schedule question
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are we talking about PyCon UK or US?


On 15 July 2013 13:24, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:

>  I don't know anything about this years PyCon, but if you look at the
> schedule for last year:
>
> https://us.pycon.org/2012/schedule/
>
> there was training Wed, Thu
> talks Fri, Sat, Sun-morning
> sprints after that.
>
>
>
> On 13/07/13 13:58, Luis Visintini wrote:
>
>  Hi everyone,
>
>  Perhaps it's too early for this, but I could not find a schedule this
> year's Pycon.
>
>  I would like to go, but I may want go only for saturday and sunday, so I
> would like to know what would I be missing.
>
>  I heard that on Monday there will be sprints.
>  I presume that the main events will take place in Saturday and Sunday.
> Is this correct?
>  What about Friday?
>
>  regards,
>
>  Luis
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From tartley at tartley.com  Mon Jul 15 14:40:42 2013
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:40:42 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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I guess that makes sense: With the dojo we want to encourage 
participation, whereas with the game challenges I was thinking of, they 
are optimised to producing finished, working projects (where a proven 
track record is a good positive indicator.)

     Jonathan


On 15/07/13 13:33, Stestagg wrote:
> I wonder, with the dojo happening every month, and most people turning 
> up most times, if this might turn into a bit of a popularity contest.
>
> If a leader won last time, then people will be more likely to go for 
> the 'safe option' and join that person next time.
>
> I do like the current method of having random team choices
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Ren? Dudfield <renesd at gmail.com 
> <mailto:renesd at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     That could work with a theme... the goal doesn't have to be a
>     game?   It's more inventing the problem as you go?
>
>     Unrelated thought for a good exercise... new requirements are
>     introduced at half time... and then 5 minutes before the end...
>     like real life.
>
>     On Jul 15, 2013 2:05 PM, "Jonathan Hartley" <tartley at tartley.com
>     <mailto:tartley at tartley.com>> wrote:
>
>         I don't think this helps, but it's a model I think is
>         otherwise widely applicable, so I'll spread the seed:
>
>         One model I've seen work well on game programming challenges
>         is that self-selected leaders will each pitch their project
>         vision, and then participants will decide which leader's team
>         they would like to join. Leaders may also prefer other pitches
>         to their own, and decide to revoke or merge pitches
>         (generally, only one leader in a merged pitch will retain the
>         'leader' tag)
>
>         This has advantages that:
>
>         * self-selected leaders are vetted by the crowd. If they are
>         revealed, during their pitch, to be blustering buffoons, then
>         people can vote with their feet.
>
>         * everyone gets to work with the project/leadership that they
>         choose, so in theory happiness is maximised (for everyone
>         apart from the 'failed' project leaders.)
>
>         * projects which are popular are allocated correspondingly
>         generous personpower.
>
>         The disadvantages are:
>
>         * It isn't remotely relevant to our current dojo format
>
>         * It doesn't give even distribution of team sizes
>
>             Jonathan
>
>
>
>         On 12/07/13 20:53, xtian wrote:
>>         I like the sound of this - Scrapheap Challenge style. You're
>>         right, it would take a bit more organisation though.
>>
>>         On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead
>>         <alistair.broomhead at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:alistair.broomhead at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>         Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a
>>>         fair amount of organisation) once a challenge has been
>>>         picked, we ask people to volunteer as team leaders, they get
>>>         a git repo set up and write tests, but their main role is to
>>>         advise their team and give them a nudge on things which are
>>>         stopping them from progressing. This would mean that each
>>>         team has an 'expert', but I guess it would also mean people
>>>         who were willing to take this role would have to bring a
>>>         laptop off their own -an issue for me as I don't own one...
>>>
>>>         On 12 Jul 2013 14:19, "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com
>>>         <mailto:javier at correo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>             >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting
>>>             but... not for my
>>>             >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>>>             >
>>>             > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think
>>>             it's for them, then
>>>             > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating
>>>             as possible, but
>>>             > you can't please all the people all the time.
>>>             >
>>>
>>>             ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the
>>>             expert coders in
>>>             instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>>>
>>>             Just my 2p
>>>
>>>             J
>>>
>>>
>>>             _______________________________________________
>>>             python-uk mailing list
>>>             python-uk at python.org <mailto:python-uk at python.org>
>>>             http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 15:19:43 2013
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:19:43 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Pycon schedule question
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Hi,

On 13 July 2013 13:58, Luis Visintini <lvisintini at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Perhaps it's too early for this, but I could not find a schedule this
> year's Pycon.
>

I'm assuming that you mean PyCon UK , as PyCon has been held already this
year.
So to help avoid confusion, I've copied this to the pyconuk list.

>
> I would like to go, but I may want go only for saturday and sunday, so I
> would like to know what would I be missing.
>
> I heard that on Monday there will be sprints.
> I presume that the main events will take place in Saturday and Sunday. Is
> this correct?
>

Yes.

> What about Friday?
>

Friday will have some talks and tutorials.

The schedule will be similar to 2012, but with more of an accent on the
Education track, on Saturday (teachers) and Sunday (teachers and pupils).

There is an outline schedule on http://pyconuk.org, and as talks are
submitted and accepted, the schedule will be developed and refined on the
wiki. As usual, there are likely to be last minute speaker cancellations
and additions, so the final schedule will likely not be settled until the
conference itself.

Best wishes,

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From david at deadpansincerity.com  Mon Jul 15 15:36:53 2013
From: david at deadpansincerity.com (David Miller)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:36:53 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
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I suggest re-naming

From: "London Python Dojo"
To    : "London Python Party"

Please note that "The Public" are consistently [1] Googling for "Python
Party" more than "Python Dojo".

And Party is totally less martial-artsy.

[1]
http://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore?q=python+dojo#q=python%20dojo%2C%20%20python%20party&cmpt=q


On 15 July 2013 13:40, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:

>  I guess that makes sense: With the dojo we want to encourage
> participation, whereas with the game challenges I was thinking of, they are
> optimised to producing finished, working projects (where a proven track
> record is a good positive indicator.)
>
>     Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 15/07/13 13:33, Stestagg wrote:
>
> I wonder, with the dojo happening every month, and most people turning up
> most times, if this might turn into a bit of a popularity contest.
>
>  If a leader won last time, then people will be more likely to go for the
> 'safe option' and join that person next time.
>
>  I do like the current method of having random team choices
>
>  Steve
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Ren? Dudfield <renesd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That could work with a theme... the goal doesn't have to be a game?
>> It's more inventing the problem as you go?
>>
>> Unrelated thought for a good exercise... new requirements are introduced
>> at half time... and then 5 minutes before the end... like real life.
>>  On Jul 15, 2013 2:05 PM, "Jonathan Hartley" <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  I don't think this helps, but it's a model I think is otherwise widely
>>> applicable, so I'll spread the seed:
>>>
>>> One model I've seen work well on game programming challenges is that
>>> self-selected leaders will each pitch their project vision, and then
>>> participants will decide which leader's team they would like to join.
>>> Leaders may also prefer other pitches to their own, and decide to revoke or
>>> merge pitches (generally, only one leader in a merged pitch will retain the
>>> 'leader' tag)
>>>
>>> This has advantages that:
>>>
>>> * self-selected leaders are vetted by the crowd. If they are revealed,
>>> during their pitch, to be blustering buffoons, then people can vote with
>>> their feet.
>>>
>>> * everyone gets to work with the project/leadership that they choose, so
>>> in theory happiness is maximised (for everyone apart from the 'failed'
>>> project leaders.)
>>>
>>> * projects which are popular are allocated correspondingly generous
>>> personpower.
>>>
>>> The disadvantages are:
>>>
>>> * It isn't remotely relevant to our current dojo format
>>>
>>> * It doesn't give even distribution of team sizes
>>>
>>>     Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/07/13 20:53, xtian wrote:
>>>
>>> I like the sound of this - Scrapheap Challenge style. You're right, it
>>> would take a bit more organisation though.
>>>
>>> On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead <
>>> alistair.broomhead at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount
>>> of organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to
>>> volunteer as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write tests, but
>>> their main role is to advise their team and give them a nudge on things
>>> which are stopping them from progressing. This would mean that each team
>>> has an 'expert', but I guess it would also mean people who were willing to
>>> take this role would have to bring a laptop off their own -an issue for me
>>> as I don't own one...
>>> On 12 Jul 2013 14:19, "Javier Llopis" <javier at correo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my
>>>> >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this?
>>>> >
>>>> > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then
>>>> > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but
>>>> > you can't please all the people all the time.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> ...And in this case, I would rather try to keep the expert coders in
>>>> instead of the newbies. Better be challenged than bored.
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2p
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> python-uk mailing list
>>>> python-uk at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>>>
>>>   _______________________________________________
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>>>
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>>>
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From: ed.hartley at gmail.com (E Hartley)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:41:59 +0100
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Speaking as a recovering PM excluding blustering buffoons as team leaders takes it so far out of the realm of real life as to be almost like coding Nirvana.
E

On 15 Jul 2013, at 12:59, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:

> blustering buffoons

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From tartley at tartley.com  Mon Jul 15 16:09:37 2013
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:09:37 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <B1C8683F-DE27-49CC-BA5D-FE4B13C9459B@gmail.com>
References: <CANBSuyEfc-ObcrM=u61r9mGuzO3xcN66G0zAb7VGLuwLyoRdEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfxiG1X8uPGFC1q5qUrX2qyn=PHsZt24E91K0foUa2XaYAeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<51DFE1D1.4060501@timgolden.me.uk>
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Whereas my buffoon status is very much still active.


On 15/07/13 14:41, E Hartley wrote:
> Speaking as a recovering PM excluding blustering buffoons as team 
> leaders takes it so far out of the realm of real life as to be almost 
> like coding Nirvana.
> E
>
> On 15 Jul 2013, at 12:59, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com 
> <mailto:tartley at tartley.com>> wrote:
>
>> blustering buffoons
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> python-uk at python.org
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From ed.hartley at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 16:20:18 2013
From: ed.hartley at gmail.com (E Hartley)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:20:18 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <51E402A1.6020000@tartley.com>
References: <CANBSuyEfc-ObcrM=u61r9mGuzO3xcN66G0zAb7VGLuwLyoRdEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEfxiG1X8uPGFC1q5qUrX2qyn=PHsZt24E91K0foUa2XaYAeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<51DFE1D1.4060501@timgolden.me.uk>
	<CAEfxiG3JAY+8+95JfJ2i+KNFLeOz9eko9T020XsqDTFvYYjw9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<51DFF0AC.8080606@timgolden.me.uk>
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	<51E402A1.6020000@tartley.com>
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:)
E Hartley
ed.hartley at gmail.com





On 15 Jul 2013, at 15:09, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:

> Whereas my buffoon status is very much still active.
> 
> 
> On 15/07/13 14:41, E Hartley wrote:
>> Speaking as a recovering PM excluding blustering buffoons as team leaders takes it so far out of the realm of real life as to be almost like coding Nirvana.
>> E
>> 
>> On 15 Jul 2013, at 12:59, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> blustering buffoons
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> python-uk mailing list
>> python-uk at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> 
> 
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From sebastian.pawlus at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 21:56:47 2013
From: sebastian.pawlus at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Sebastian_Pawlu=C5=9B?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:56:47 +0200
Subject: [python-uk] PyCon PL 2013 call for proposals
Message-ID: <CAEvNYXJNgs7_GyurzOLqiaBNYQuS2gT81OA46JsOh1Bx+4hP+A@mail.gmail.com>

Yep you got it right is PL not UK ;)

Hi guys we have call for proposals still open and we are looking for
speakers
http://pl.pycon.org/2013/en/aktualnosci,Call-for-Proposals-for-PyCon-PL-2013-is-open,31

We decided to drop en email here about it, since:
- we trying to make it more international event,
- I know you guys love Dojo and we will have first PyCon PL Dojo run by
Nicholas Tollervey (yep same guy),
- conference and hotel is free of charge for speakers, and flight between
Poland and UK are ridiculously cheap.
- conference will take place in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szczyrk
http://goo.gl/cBQhs (our venue biggest building on the photo) October 17th
- October 20th

Check our website http://pl.pycon.org/2013/en/o-spotkaniu, and let me know
if you have any questions.

I hope I have your attention now ;)
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From Ben.Curwood at hogarthww.com  Tue Jul 16 12:03:44 2013
From: Ben.Curwood at hogarthww.com (Ben Curwood)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:03:44 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python/Django opportunities - all levels - @ Hogarth
	Worldwide
Message-ID: <CE0AD90A.4E80B%ben.curwood@hogarthww.com>

Morning All,

Hogarth Worldwide is growing its already-sizeable development department exponentially. Our London office is currently based near Farringdon, but soon to be moving to a brand-new facility in Soho.

If you are looking to work in an environment that uses the very best agile practices, the very best technologies and in the very best way possible, then please get in touch. Hogarth's Tech department has a fantastic working environment with a large team of similar individuals who are passionate about what we create.

If you would like to hear more, please refer to the open positions below:

Lead Developers/Application Architects
Senior Python/Django Developers
Python/Django Developers
QA Engineers (Manual/Automation, with Python)
(Freelance) Python/Django Developers

We offer competitive salaries and rates, great company benefits and excellent career progression.

Hogarth is a global advertising implementation agency that has developed enterprise-scale, class-leading applications for the advertising industry and beyond. Since we opened our doors in 2008 with 14 founders, we have grown to over 700 employees and continue to grow at the same rate.

Please drop me a line with your details for more information.

Thanks,
Ben




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From tartley at tartley.com  Tue Jul 16 14:00:48 2013
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:00:48 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Python/Django opportunities - all levels - @
 Hogarth Worldwide
In-Reply-To: <CE0AD90A.4E80B%ben.curwood@hogarthww.com>
References: <CE0AD90A.4E80B%ben.curwood@hogarthww.com>
Message-ID: <51E535F0.1020407@tartley.com>

 > exponentially

Really? With respect to time? So they only want a small number of new 
people to begin with, but will want a rapidly number towards the end of 
the project? How curious.

     Jonathan
     Pedant / Smartarse


On 16/07/13 11:03, Ben Curwood wrote:
> Morning All,
>
> Hogarth Worldwide is growing its already-sizeable development 
> department exponentially. Our London office is currently based near 
> Farringdon, but soon to be moving to a brand-new facility in Soho.
>
> If you are looking to work in an environment that uses the very best 
> agile practices, the very best technologies and in the very best way 
> possible, then please get in touch. Hogarth's Tech department has a 
> fantastic working environment with a large team of similar individuals 
> who are passionate about what we create.
>
> If you would like to hear more, please refer to the open positions below:
>
> *Lead Developers/Application Architects*
> *Senior Python/Django Developers*
> *Python/Django Developers*
> *QA Engineers (Manual/Automation, with Python)*
> *(Freelance) Python/Django Developers*
>
> We offer competitive salaries and rates, great company benefits and 
> excellent career progression.
>
> Hogarth is a global advertising implementation agency that has 
> developed enterprise-scale, class-leading applications for the 
> advertising industry and beyond. Since we opened our doors in 2008 
> with 14 founders, we have grown to over 700 employees and continue to 
> grow at the same rate.
>
> Please drop me a line with your details for more information.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> *--*
>
> *Ben Curwood*
>
> *Ben.Curwood at hogarthww.com*
>
> *
> *
>
> Mobile: +44 7768 557 654
>
> Linkedin: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/bencurwood
>
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ben_curwood
>
>
> Are you a freelancer? Join our Linkedin group:Hogarth London Freelance 
> Group 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4915493&goback=%2Enpv_20215018_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1&trk=NUS_UNIU-ngroup>
>
> www.hogarthww.com
>
>
> This email contains information from Hogarth Worldwide Limited which 
> may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be 
> for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not 
> the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, 
> distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. 
> If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender.
>
> Headquarters/registered office: 164 Shaftesbury Avenue, London WC2H 
> 8HL United Kingdom T: +44 20 7240 6400 W: www.hogarthww.com 
> <http://www.hogarthww.com>
>
> Registered in England and Wales. Company No. 06872427. VAT No. 973 7879 46
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From harry.percival at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 14:21:22 2013
From: harry.percival at gmail.com (Harry Percival)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:21:22 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Python/Django opportunities - all levels - @
	Hogarth Worldwide
In-Reply-To: <51E535F0.1020407@tartley.com>
References: <CE0AD90A.4E80B%ben.curwood@hogarthww.com>
	<51E535F0.1020407@tartley.com>
Message-ID: <CACFvh9-h9psVu7xY2e00Ur6ZQPsAcgg=xwsXtSWfr5oJELEu9A@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent nitpick Jonathan!  Shame you accidentally a word, which weakened
your monocle-adjusting second sentence somewhat.
..

I wonder if we can estimate how soon Hogarth Worldwide will be employing
everyone on earth? We have some data points:
- growing exponentially
- 2008: 14 people
- 2013: 700 people

We probably need a third data point to fit a curve though... Hey, Ben, do
you know how many employees they had in 2010?




On 16 July 2013 13:00, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:

>  > exponentially
>
> Really? With respect to time? So they only want a small number of new
> people to begin with, but will want a rapidly number towards the end of the
> project? How curious.
>
>     Jonathan
>     Pedant / Smartarse
>
>
>
> On 16/07/13 11:03, Ben Curwood wrote:
>
>   Morning All,
>
>  Hogarth Worldwide is growing its already-sizeable development department
> exponentially. Our London office is currently based near Farringdon, but
> soon to be moving to a brand-new facility in Soho.
>
>  If you are looking to work in an environment that uses the very best
> agile practices, the very best technologies and in the very best way
> possible, then please get in touch. Hogarth's Tech department has a
> fantastic working environment with a large team of similar individuals who
> are passionate about what we create.
>
>  If you would like to hear more, please refer to the open positions below:
>
>  *Lead Developers/Application Architects*
>  *Senior Python/Django Developers*
>  *Python/Django Developers*
>  *QA Engineers (Manual/Automation, with Python)*
>  *(Freelance) Python/Django Developers*
>
>  We offer competitive salaries and rates, great company benefits and
> excellent career progression.
>
>  Hogarth is a global advertising implementation agency that has developed
> enterprise-scale, class-leading applications for the advertising industry
> and beyond. Since we opened our doors in 2008 with 14 founders, we have
> grown to over 700 employees and continue to grow at the same rate.
>
>  Please drop me a line with your details for more information.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Ben
>
>
>
>
>   *--*
>
> *Ben Curwood*****
>
> *Ben.Curwood at hogarthww.com*
>
> *
> *
>
> Mobile: +44 7768 557 654****
>
> Linkedin: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/bencurwood
>
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ben_curwood
>
>
>  Are you a freelancer? Join our Linkedin group: Hogarth London Freelance
> Group<http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4915493&goback=%2Enpv_20215018_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1&trk=NUS_UNIU-ngroup>
>
>
>
> www.hogarthww.com
>
>  This email contains information from Hogarth Worldwide Limited which may
> be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the
> use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended
> recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
> contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this email
> in error, please contact the sender.
>
> Headquarters/registered office: 164 Shaftesbury Avenue, London WC2H 8HL
> United Kingdom T: +44 20 7240 6400 W: www.hogarthww.com
>
> Registered in England and Wales. Company No. 06872427. VAT No. 973 7879 46
>
>
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>
>
>
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> Made of meat.       +44 7737 062 225       twitter/skype: tartley
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From harry.percival at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 14:24:01 2013
From: harry.percival at gmail.com (Harry Percival)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:24:01 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Python/Django opportunities - all levels - @
	Hogarth Worldwide
In-Reply-To: <CACFvh9-h9psVu7xY2e00Ur6ZQPsAcgg=xwsXtSWfr5oJELEu9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CE0AD90A.4E80B%ben.curwood@hogarthww.com>
	<51E535F0.1020407@tartley.com>
	<CACFvh9-h9psVu7xY2e00Ur6ZQPsAcgg=xwsXtSWfr5oJELEu9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACFvh98yQqNMcnyH3-xoMw9k+MCz+Ope68fnADE495B4M6wgvw@mail.gmail.com>

September 2011: "nearly 500 people".
http://web.archive.org/web/20110929233451/http://hogarthww.com/en/careers/

Now what's the exponent?


On 16 July 2013 13:21, Harry Percival <harry.percival at gmail.com> wrote:

> Excellent nitpick Jonathan!  Shame you accidentally a word, which weakened
> your monocle-adjusting second sentence somewhat.
> ..
>
> I wonder if we can estimate how soon Hogarth Worldwide will be employing
> everyone on earth? We have some data points:
> - growing exponentially
> - 2008: 14 people
> - 2013: 700 people
>
> We probably need a third data point to fit a curve though... Hey, Ben, do
> you know how many employees they had in 2010?
>
>
>
>
> On 16 July 2013 13:00, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com> wrote:
>
>>  > exponentially
>>
>> Really? With respect to time? So they only want a small number of new
>> people to begin with, but will want a rapidly number towards the end of the
>> project? How curious.
>>
>>     Jonathan
>>     Pedant / Smartarse
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/07/13 11:03, Ben Curwood wrote:
>>
>>   Morning All,
>>
>>  Hogarth Worldwide is growing its already-sizeable development
>> department exponentially. Our London office is currently based near
>> Farringdon, but soon to be moving to a brand-new facility in Soho.
>>
>>  If you are looking to work in an environment that uses the very best
>> agile practices, the very best technologies and in the very best way
>> possible, then please get in touch. Hogarth's Tech department has a
>> fantastic working environment with a large team of similar individuals who
>> are passionate about what we create.
>>
>>  If you would like to hear more, please refer to the open positions
>> below:
>>
>>  *Lead Developers/Application Architects*
>>  *Senior Python/Django Developers*
>>  *Python/Django Developers*
>>  *QA Engineers (Manual/Automation, with Python)*
>>  *(Freelance) Python/Django Developers*
>>
>>  We offer competitive salaries and rates, great company benefits and
>> excellent career progression.
>>
>>  Hogarth is a global advertising implementation agency that has
>> developed enterprise-scale, class-leading applications for the advertising
>> industry and beyond. Since we opened our doors in 2008 with 14 founders, we
>> have grown to over 700 employees and continue to grow at the same rate.
>>
>>  Please drop me a line with your details for more information.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Ben
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   *--*
>>
>> *Ben Curwood*****
>>
>> *Ben.Curwood at hogarthww.com*
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>> Mobile: +44 7768 557 654****
>>
>> Linkedin: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/bencurwood
>>
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ben_curwood
>>
>>
>>  Are you a freelancer? Join our Linkedin group: Hogarth London Freelance
>> Group<http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4915493&goback=%2Enpv_20215018_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1&trk=NUS_UNIU-ngroup>
>>
>>
>>
>> www.hogarthww.com
>>
>>  This email contains information from Hogarth Worldwide Limited which may
>> be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the
>> use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended
>> recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
>> contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this email
>> in error, please contact the sender.
>>
>> Headquarters/registered office: 164 Shaftesbury Avenue, London WC2H 8HL
>> United Kingdom T: +44 20 7240 6400 W: www.hogarthww.com
>>
>> Registered in England and Wales. Company No. 06872427. VAT No. 973 7879 46
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> python-uk mailing listpython-uk at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Hartley    tartley at tartley.com    http://tartley.com
>> Made of meat.       +44 7737 062 225       twitter/skype: tartley
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> python-uk mailing list
>> python-uk at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>>
>>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
> Twitter: @hjwp
> Mobile:  +44 (0) 78877 02511
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From Ben.Curwood at hogarthww.com  Tue Jul 16 14:58:05 2013
From: Ben.Curwood at hogarthww.com (Ben Curwood)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:58:05 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python/Django opportunities - all levels - @
 Hogarth Worldwide
In-Reply-To: <CACFvh9-h9psVu7xY2e00Ur6ZQPsAcgg=xwsXtSWfr5oJELEu9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE0AFCAD.4EABB%ben.curwood@hogarthww.com>

Dear All,

We have read the below with great amusement and concede that the usage of exponential in this context may not have been entirely palatable to all.

While we endeavour to uphold the accuracy of our vocabulary, some of you will align yourselves with the more traditional (and arguably, accurate) usage of exponential around mathematical academia and proscribe the extended usage as simply 'rapid growth'.

In the spirit of compensation, we would like to invite you to take part in our technical test. Should you be successful, you will be offered a free interview and a chance to join our rapidly growing technology department!

Should you wish to accept this quest, please drop me a line for details of the test.

Best,
Ben

PS - with any luck one day Hogarth may indeed employee everyone on earth!





From: Harry Percival <harry.percival at gmail.com<mailto:harry.percival at gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "hjwp2 at cantab.net<mailto:hjwp2 at cantab.net>" <hjwp2 at cantab.net<mailto:hjwp2 at cantab.net>>
Date: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 13:21
To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org<mailto:python-uk at python.org>>
Cc: Ben Curwood <ben.curwood at hogarthww.com<mailto:ben.curwood at hogarthww.com>>
Subject: Re: [python-uk] Python/Django opportunities - all levels - @ Hogarth Worldwide

Excellent nitpick Jonathan!  Shame you accidentally a word, which weakened your monocle-adjusting second sentence somewhat.
..

I wonder if we can estimate how soon Hogarth Worldwide will be employing everyone on earth? We have some data points:
- growing exponentially
- 2008: 14 people
- 2013: 700 people

We probably need a third data point to fit a curve though... Hey, Ben, do you know how many employees they had in 2010?




On 16 July 2013 13:00, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com<mailto:tartley at tartley.com>> wrote:
> exponentially

Really? With respect to time? So they only want a small number of new people to begin with, but will want a rapidly number towards the end of the project? How curious.

    Jonathan
    Pedant / Smartarse



On 16/07/13 11:03, Ben Curwood wrote:
Morning All,

Hogarth Worldwide is growing its already-sizeable development department exponentially. Our London office is currently based near Farringdon, but soon to be moving to a brand-new facility in Soho.

If you are looking to work in an environment that uses the very best agile practices, the very best technologies and in the very best way possible, then please get in touch. Hogarth's Tech department has a fantastic working environment with a large team of similar individuals who are passionate about what we create.

If you would like to hear more, please refer to the open positions below:

Lead Developers/Application Architects
Senior Python/Django Developers
Python/Django Developers
QA Engineers (Manual/Automation, with Python)
(Freelance) Python/Django Developers

We offer competitive salaries and rates, great company benefits and excellent career progression.

Hogarth is a global advertising implementation agency that has developed enterprise-scale, class-leading applications for the advertising industry and beyond. Since we opened our doors in 2008 with 14 founders, we have grown to over 700 employees and continue to grow at the same rate.

Please drop me a line with your details for more information.

Thanks,
Ben




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From tartley at tartley.com  Tue Jul 16 16:45:20 2013
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:45:20 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Python/Django opportunities - all levels - @
 Hogarth Worldwide
In-Reply-To: <CE0AFCAD.4EABB%ben.curwood@hogarthww.com>
References: <CE0AFCAD.4EABB%ben.curwood@hogarthww.com>
Message-ID: <51E55C80.4010308@tartley.com>

Kudos. Hat doffed. Good luck, Ben.

On 16/07/13 13:58, Ben Curwood wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> We have read the below with great amusement and concede that the usage 
> of /exponential /in this context may not have been entirely palatable 
> to all.
>
> While we endeavour to uphold the accuracy of our vocabulary, some of 
> you will align yourselves with the more traditional (and arguably, 
> accurate) usage of /exponential/ around mathematical academia and 
> proscribe the extended usage as simply 'rapid growth'.
>
> In the spirit of compensation, we would like to invite you to take 
> part in our technical test. Should you be successful, you will be 
> offered a free interview and a chance to join our /rapidly 
> growing/ technology department!
>
> Should you wish to accept this quest, please drop me a line for 
> details of the test.
>
> Best,
> Ben
>
> PS - with any luck one day Hogarth may indeed employee everyone on earth!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Harry Percival <harry.percival at gmail.com 
> <mailto:harry.percival at gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "hjwp2 at cantab.net <mailto:hjwp2 at cantab.net>" 
> <hjwp2 at cantab.net <mailto:hjwp2 at cantab.net>>
> Date: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 13:21
> To: UK Python Users <python-uk at python.org <mailto:python-uk at python.org>>
> Cc: Ben Curwood <ben.curwood at hogarthww.com 
> <mailto:ben.curwood at hogarthww.com>>
> Subject: Re: [python-uk] Python/Django opportunities - all levels - @ 
> Hogarth Worldwide
>
> Excellent nitpick Jonathan!  Shame you accidentally a word, which 
> weakened your monocle-adjusting second sentence somewhat.
> ..
>
> I wonder if we can estimate how soon Hogarth Worldwide will be 
> employing everyone on earth? We have some data points:
> - growing exponentially
> - 2008: 14 people
> - 2013: 700 people
>
> We probably need a third data point to fit a curve though... Hey, Ben, 
> do you know how many employees they had in 2010?
>
>
>
>
> On 16 July 2013 13:00, Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com 
> <mailto:tartley at tartley.com>> wrote:
>
>     > exponentially
>
>     Really? With respect to time? So they only want a small number of
>     new people to begin with, but will want a rapidly number towards
>     the end of the project? How curious.
>
>         Jonathan
>         Pedant / Smartarse
>
>
>
>     On 16/07/13 11:03, Ben Curwood wrote:
>>     Morning All,
>>
>>     Hogarth Worldwide is growing its already-sizeable development
>>     department exponentially. Our London office is currently based
>>     near Farringdon, but soon to be moving to a brand-new facility in
>>     Soho.
>>
>>     If you are looking to work in an environment that uses the very
>>     best agile practices, the very best technologies and in the very
>>     best way possible, then please get in touch. Hogarth's Tech
>>     department has a fantastic working environment with a large team
>>     of similar individuals who are passionate about what we create.
>>
>>     If you would like to hear more, please refer to the open
>>     positions below:
>>
>>     *Lead Developers/Application Architects*
>>     *Senior Python/Django Developers*
>>     *Python/Django Developers*
>>     *QA Engineers (Manual/Automation, with Python)*
>>     *(Freelance) Python/Django Developers*
>>
>>     We offer competitive salaries and rates, great company benefits
>>     and excellent career progression.
>>
>>     Hogarth is a global advertising implementation agency that has
>>     developed enterprise-scale, class-leading applications for the
>>     advertising industry and beyond. Since we opened our doors in
>>     2008 with 14 founders, we have grown to over 700 employees and
>>     continue to grow at the same rate.
>>
>>     Please drop me a line with your details for more information.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Ben
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     *--*
>>
>>     *Ben Curwood*
>>
>>     *Ben.Curwood at hogarthww.com <mailto:Ben.Curwood at hogarthww.com>*
>>
>>     *
>>     *
>>
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From jlenton at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 13:30:27 2013
From: jlenton at gmail.com (John Lenton)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:30:27 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Python/Django opportunities - all levels - @
	Hogarth Worldwide
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On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Harry Percival
<harry.percival at gmail.com> wrote:
> September 2011: "nearly 500 people".
> http://web.archive.org/web/20110929233451/http://hogarthww.com/en/careers/
>
> Now what's the exponent?

0.811333. But my money's on quadratic: -5.03976x10^7+49997.6 x-12.4
x^2 fits really well.

From adam.elliott at requiredit.com  Thu Jul 18 11:16:57 2013
From: adam.elliott at requiredit.com (Adam Elliott)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:16:57 +0000
Subject: [python-uk] Python / Django contracts
Message-ID: <F6DE86F5E08C8040847592DA88B059C5241FA96D@EXMAIL10.requiredit.com>

Morning all,

I have 2 urgent Python / Django contracts in London paying between ?350-450 p/d.

Initial 3 month engagement (likely to extend) and ideally, to start ASAP.

In anyone is interested please email me directly and I will reply with full information.

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From jakab922 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 18 14:58:27 2013
From: jakab922 at gmail.com (Dani)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:58:27 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Python / Django contracts
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Hello Adam,

I'm interested. When can we talk about this?

Regards,
Daniel


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Adam Elliott
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>  Morning all,
>
>
>
> I have 2 urgent Python / Django contracts in London paying between
> ?350-450 p/d.
>
>
>
> Initial 3 month engagement (likely to extend) and ideally, to start ASAP.
>
>
>
> In anyone is interested please email me directly and I will reply with
> full information.
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Adam Elliott*
> Division Manager
>
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From rachid.belaid at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 13:12:40 2013
From: rachid.belaid at gmail.com (Rachid Belaid)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:12:40 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Pycon UK 2013 - Talk proposal deadline
Message-ID: <CAGPh0j06_izWvcf+OvcuSNwJ_jZZ0X6iLEQ=CEAA5Evu4tuDHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Is anybody know when is the deadline to propose a talk at Pycon UK?

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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Fri Jul 19 13:28:30 2013
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:28:30 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Pycon UK 2013 - Talk proposal deadline
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On 19/07/13 12:12, Rachid Belaid wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Is anybody know when is the deadline to propose a talk at Pycon
> UK?
> 
> Cheers. -- Rach Belaid
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing
> list python-uk at python.org 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> 

Given that it's not even officially announced yet, I'm guessing you'll
be safe for a while.

By the way everyone... the unannounced "beta" version of this years
site does actually work barring some funky Javascript errors. You
could "help" us test it works by submitting talks via the site or even
buying tickets too (pending a more official announcement once the JS
has been fixed).

;-)

N.
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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Mon Jul 22 17:01:53 2013
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:01:53 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Python contractor role at the Guardian.
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Hi,

I just want to bring the following role to people's attention:

A backend Python developer (with an interest in Scala) is required for
a six month contract in the "discussion" team.

"Discussion" is a high visibility part of the Guardian's web presence
and handles a huge amount of user-generated data. The team solves
interesting yet challenging problems that need to work at scale.

The daily rate is around the ?350 mark.

Of course, the Guardian is an interesting and fun place to work and is
definitely a world leader in the digital news/media space.

If this is of interest please contact me directly. Alternatively, drop
Robert Rees a line (he's a ldnpydojo regular) at
robert.rees at guardian.co.uk.

Best wishes,

Nicholas.
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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Wed Jul 24 19:26:31 2013
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:26:31 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] PyconUK - BOOK NOW and SUBMIT TALKS
Message-ID: <51F00E47.20102@ntoll.org>

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Hi,

The early bird tickets end on Monday. Apparently the fact that you can
both sign up and submit talks for the conference has not been
officially announced.

http://pyconuk.org/

Consider it announced!

N.
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From tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk  Thu Jul 25 20:33:09 2013
From: tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk (Tony Ibbs)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:33:09 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next Cambridge User Group meeting: Tuesday 6th August
	2013
Message-ID: <D43C729A-979F-466F-BB60-6AB7EF026B73@tibsnjoan.co.uk>

As stated on the CamPUG google group:

The next meeting will be Tuesday 6th August, 7.30pm at RealVNC (http://tinyurl.com/realvncoffices). We normally stop about 9.30pm, and go on to the pub.

This will be a doing stuff meeting.

Meetings after that should be:

	? Tuesday 3rd September, another talks meeting
	? Tuesday 1st October, another doing stuff meeting
	? and it should then be Tuesday 5th November for another talks meeting.
          However, if Cambridge City Council decides to hold its fireworks display
          on the 5th, then we'll move to the following Tuesday (12th)

Tibs

From d_chetwynd at fastmail.co.uk  Sun Jul 28 16:00:37 2013
From: d_chetwynd at fastmail.co.uk (Daley Chetwynd)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:00:37 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next Python Sheffield meeting Tues July 30th
Message-ID: <1375020037.28197.2467711.0F2A7551@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi all,

The next Python Sheffield meeting will be on Tuesday July 30th from
18:30 - 20:30 at ElectricWorks. ElectricWorks is located opposite
Sheffield train station. Entry is via the back entrance facing the bus
interchange, not the front entrance facing Sheaf Street and the train
station:

http://electric-works.net/contact/

This month we have the following speaker:

Daley Chetwynd (@dchetwynd) - "Ghost.py for functional web testing"

We're always looking for future speakers, so if you'd like to talk on
anything Python-related and fancy a trip over to Sheffield, please get
in touch. The Python Sheffield group is open to all levels of Python
user including those who don't currently know any Python languages but
would like to learn. To find out more, follow @pysheff on Twitter or see
the Google group:

groups.google.com/group/python-sheffield

Thanks,

Daley

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From rjnienaber at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 21:04:51 2013
From: rjnienaber at gmail.com (Richard Nienaber)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 20:04:51 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] =?windows-1252?q?The_PyPy_London_Sprint_2013-08-26_?=
	=?windows-1252?q?=96_2013-09-01?=
Message-ID: <CAGAHk2DZS+Z1S3A1JsfvKjTw8Rtkw4eYa4fyuLqGXyddccS2yQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

I got a mail in my inbox today about the PyPy London
Sprint<http://www.meetup.com/The-London-Python-Group-TLPG/events/130495742/?a=ea1_grp&rv=ea1>
:

The PyPy development team are coming to London 2013-08-26 ? 2013-09-01, for
> a seven day sprint. This is a public sprint so anyone is welcome. They need
> people to write tests and define the way PyPy evolves as well as people who
> know RPython. I am interested in PyPy's Python 3 compliance, the STM
> implementation to remove the infamous GIL, and NumPy support (to handle
> serious computation and all that financial Python stuff), so I will be
> trying to get to as much of it as I can.
>
> If you are in London (it's being held at KCL on Strand), and can spare
> some time to help create the future of Python, please come along.


I can't remember hearing about it through this list so I thought other
people might be interested. More information can be found on their blog:
http://morepypy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/pypy-london-sprint-august-26-september.html

Regards
Richard
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