From carles at pina.cat  Fri Jun  8 00:17:33 2012
From: carles at pina.cat (Carles Pina i Estany)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 23:17:33 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] lightning talk - Olfactory Notifications
Message-ID: <20120607221733.GA14617@pina.cat>


Hi,

The link to today's presentation and links to some code:
http://pintant.cat/2012/06/02/olfactory-notifications-presentation-code/

(the presentation in slideshare is not as good as in LibreOffice,
missing sounds and some effect).

Regards,

-- 
Carles Pina i Estany
	Web: http://pinux.info || Blog: http://pintant.cat

From dave at dave.gs  Fri Jun  8 15:44:46 2012
From: dave at dave.gs (David Walker)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:44:46 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] One more lightning talk place left for next week's
	dojo...
In-Reply-To: <4FC74239.9060704@ntoll.org>
References: <4FC74239.9060704@ntoll.org>
Message-ID: <CAO1AKGNW+Ty4b3ZAPOJBoNfvvhT1BtmoEkvDq2krqa02SAHJsw@mail.gmail.com>

Nick,

Did you manage to get the code we wrote last night onto Github?  I fancy
trying to fix my bugs.

Cheers,

Dave

On 31 May 2012 11:04, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:

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>
> One more space left... any takers..?
>
> :-)
>
> N.
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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Fri Jun  8 15:47:49 2012
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:47:49 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] One more lightning talk place left for next week's
 dojo...
In-Reply-To: <CAO1AKGNW+Ty4b3ZAPOJBoNfvvhT1BtmoEkvDq2krqa02SAHJsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FC74239.9060704@ntoll.org>
	<CAO1AKGNW+Ty4b3ZAPOJBoNfvvhT1BtmoEkvDq2krqa02SAHJsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FD20285.7010602@ntoll.org>

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Hi Dave,

See https://github.com/ntoll/word-chains (the team_1 folder).

Enjoy your weekend hack! ;-)

N.

On 08/06/12 14:44, David Walker wrote:
> Nick,
> 
> Did you manage to get the code we wrote last night onto Github?  I
> fancy trying to fix my bugs.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 31 May 2012 11:04, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org 
> <mailto:ntoll at ntoll.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Carles has booked two slots for a 10minute talk on, well, let's
> just say it'll be fun to watch and smell his presentation.
> 
> One more space left... any takers..?
> 
> :-)
> 
> N. _______________________________________________ python-uk
> mailing list python-uk at python.org <mailto:python-uk at python.org> 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing
> list python-uk at python.org 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk

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From dave at dave.gs  Fri Jun  8 16:09:03 2012
From: dave at dave.gs (David Walker)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:09:03 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] One more lightning talk place left for next week's
	dojo...
In-Reply-To: <4FD20285.7010602@ntoll.org>
References: <4FC74239.9060704@ntoll.org>
	<CAO1AKGNW+Ty4b3ZAPOJBoNfvvhT1BtmoEkvDq2krqa02SAHJsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FD20285.7010602@ntoll.org>
Message-ID: <CAO1AKGN+ugvzhQrNxtQ6vwV9icdEMSJ0cnznX3TSm+J_ohbEYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Cheers - I'll give it a fork.

Thanks very much for all your efforts organising the Dojos.  They are
always good.


On 8 June 2012 14:47, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:

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>
> See https://github.com/ntoll/word-chains (the team_1 folder).
>
> Enjoy your weekend hack! ;-)
>
> N.
>
> On 08/06/12 14:44, David Walker wrote:
> > Nick,
> >
> > Did you manage to get the code we wrote last night onto Github?  I
> > fancy trying to fix my bugs.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On 31 May 2012 11:04, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org
> > <mailto:ntoll at ntoll.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Carles has booked two slots for a 10minute talk on, well, let's
> > just say it'll be fun to watch and smell his presentation.
> >
> > One more space left... any takers..?
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > N. _______________________________________________ python-uk
> > mailing list python-uk at python.org <mailto:python-uk at python.org>
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing
> > list python-uk at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
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From d_chetwynd at fastmail.co.uk  Sun Jun 10 23:39:06 2012
From: d_chetwynd at fastmail.co.uk (Daley Chetwynd)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:39:06 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next Python Sheffield meeting June 26th
Message-ID: <1339364346.25114.140661087440781.2480D60C@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi all,

The next Python Sheffield meeting will be on Tuesday June 26th at the
GIST Lab. The meeting will run from 19:00 - 20:45, although doors will
be open at the GIST Lab from 18:45. The GIST Lab is located opposite
Sheffield train station and behind the Showroom cinema:

http://thegisthub.net/groups/gistlab

This month we have the following two speakers:

Alan O'Donohoe (@teknoteacher) (via Google Hangout) - Teaching Python to
Secondary School Pupils
Daley Chetwynd (@dchetwynd) - Programming Python on a Raspberry Pi

We'll be broadcasting the meeting via a Google Hangout, so if you can't
attend the meeting in person but would like to join the Hangout, contact
me on Google+ before the meeting. If you'd like to attend the meeting in
person, please register for free at:

http://pythonsheffield1206.eventbrite.co.uk

We're always looking for future speakers, so if you'd like to talk on
anything Python-related and fancy a trip over to Sheffield, please get
in touch. To find out more about the Python Sheffield group, follow
@pysheff on Twitter or see the Google group:

groups.google.com/group/python-sheffield

Thanks,

Daley Chetwynd
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From qwertyface at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 15:56:27 2012
From: qwertyface at gmail.com (Peter Russell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:56:27 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] West Yorkshire Python User Group Meeting - Thurs. 14
	June - Leeds
Message-ID: <CAHSH0FCACMKhxSEFx0f0Ky4jHENQ4pkYN5cPpVUiLi6nk-OyiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry this is so late.

== West Yorkshire Python User Group Meeting - Thurs. 14 June ==

= Talk: Go From a Python Programmer's Perspective =

Go is a new language with a long pedigree. It was designed at Google
by Rob Pike (one of the designers of Unix) and Ken Thomson (one of the
designers of C). Go seems to be gaining traction as an environment for
developing simple, efficient applications.

Matt Goodall (@atomatt) will be introducing us to Go; showing us some
of the key aspects of the language and the runtime's concurrency
primitives by building a simple server application.

= Date and Time =

Thursday 14 May, talk from 7:30pm.

If you want to arrive before the talk, the venue will be open from
about 6.30. We will be finished by 9, and we will be going to the pub
afterwards.

= Location =

Old Broadcasting House
148 Woodhouse Lane
Leeds
LS2 9EN

We will be holding the talk in the boardroom at the back of the ground
floor of the building. If you arrive late we may not hear the
doorbell, so please phone Peter on 07763 570 860.

= About the Group =

The West Yorkshire Python User Group (WYPy) have been meeting monthly
since 2007. Our meetings are free, and usually include at least one
talk, as well as a trip to the pub.

Our website is at http://wypy.org.uk . We discuss our meetings on the
Python Yorkshire and Humberside Google Group
http://groups.google.com/group/python-yorks-humber/ and you can also
follow us on Twitter at @WYPython.

From mauve at mauveweb.co.uk  Tue Jun 12 16:27:06 2012
From: mauve at mauveweb.co.uk (Daniel Pope)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:27:06 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Reading Python Dojo - Wednesday 20th June
Message-ID: <20120612142706.GA22930@mauve-newdesktop>

Hi all,

The next Reading Python Dojo will be on Wednesday 20th June at 7pm at Austin
Fraser in Forbury Square. Free beer and pizza will be available as usual.

Please sign up for a free ticket at the link below if you would like to attend.

https://rdgpydojo.eventwax.com/reading-python-dojo-number-6

Dan

From carles at pina.cat  Sat Jun 16 13:54:53 2012
From: carles at pina.cat (Carles Pina i Estany)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:54:53 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
Message-ID: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>


Hi,

I've re-implemented the wordchain of my team.

Using the dictionary that I have here, it seems that there are only two
words unconnected to the rest of the 3 letter words:
 *emu
 *ems

Everything else is connected :-)

(and emu and ems obviously are connected)

So, if my dictionary is ok and you want to beat someone: ask from emu to
something else :-)

Regards.

-- 
Carles Pina i Estany
	Web: http://pinux.info || Blog: http://pintant.cat

From tom at viner.tv  Sat Jun 16 15:36:59 2012
From: tom at viner.tv (Tom Viner)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:36:59 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
In-Reply-To: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>
References: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>
Message-ID: <CANBSuyFKSicMBaAp6buv448RCQBjhdiw8KsC-J4oZWQYGXKoZQ@mail.gmail.com>

That's a nice discovery Carles! Or do you just have a ridiculously unfairly
gigantic dictionary?

Have you uploaded your code (and dictionary?) somewhere? We could include
it in the dojo github repo or more likely if you have you're own hosting,
just fork our readme and add a link.

Cheers,
Tom
On Jun 16, 2012 12:54 PM, "Carles Pina i Estany" <carles at pina.cat> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I've re-implemented the wordchain of my team.
>
> Using the dictionary that I have here, it seems that there are only two
> words unconnected to the rest of the 3 letter words:
>  *emu
>  *ems
>
> Everything else is connected :-)
>
> (and emu and ems obviously are connected)
>
> So, if my dictionary is ok and you want to beat someone: ask from emu to
> something else :-)
>
> Regards.
>
> --
> Carles Pina i Estany
>        Web: http://pinux.info || Blog: http://pintant.cat
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
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From carles at pina.cat  Sat Jun 16 16:59:41 2012
From: carles at pina.cat (Carles Pina i Estany)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:59:41 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
In-Reply-To: <CANBSuyFKSicMBaAp6buv448RCQBjhdiw8KsC-J4oZWQYGXKoZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>
	<CANBSuyFKSicMBaAp6buv448RCQBjhdiw8KsC-J4oZWQYGXKoZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120616145941.GA26337@pina.cat>


Hi,

A bit in a hurry but code is here:
http://git.pinux.info/?p=misc.git;a=tree;f=wordchain;h=dd945993ebd27f7a372e2a05da1ad09145f2eba1;hb=HEAD

Generated image:
http://git.pinux.info/?p=misc.git;a=blob_plain;f=wordchain/graphic.png;hb=HEAD

The dictionary has 99156 words, which is quite good.
Or:
carles at pinux:~/misc/wordchain$ grep ^...$ british-english | wc -l
844
carles at pinux:~/misc/wordchain$ 

844 3-letter words, but in the Python code I remove all that they
contain "'" or has capital letters.

I'll write a bit of readme later on...

On Jun/16/2012, Tom Viner wrote:
> That's a nice discovery Carles! Or do you just have a ridiculously unfairly
> gigantic dictionary?
> 
> Have you uploaded your code (and dictionary?) somewhere? We could include
> it in the dojo github repo or more likely if you have you're own hosting,
> just fork our readme and add a link.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tom
> On Jun 16, 2012 12:54 PM, "Carles Pina i Estany" <carles at pina.cat> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've re-implemented the wordchain of my team.
> >
> > Using the dictionary that I have here, it seems that there are only two
> > words unconnected to the rest of the 3 letter words:
> >  *emu
> >  *ems
> >
> > Everything else is connected :-)
> >
> > (and emu and ems obviously are connected)
> >
> > So, if my dictionary is ok and you want to beat someone: ask from emu to
> > something else :-)
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > --
> > Carles Pina i Estany
> >        Web: http://pinux.info || Blog: http://pintant.cat
> > _______________________________________________
> > python-uk mailing list
> > python-uk at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
> >
-- 
Carles Pina i Estany
	Web: http://pinux.info || Blog: http://pintant.cat

From GadgetSteve at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 16 18:03:13 2012
From: GadgetSteve at hotmail.com (Gadget/Steve)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:03:13 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
In-Reply-To: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>
References: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP234E186791F71C57FC5528EAAFA0@phx.gbl>

On 16/06/2012 12:54 PM, Carles Pina i Estany wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've re-implemented the wordchain of my team.
>
> Using the dictionary that I have here, it seems that there are only two
> words unconnected to the rest of the 3 letter words:
>  *emu
>  *ems
>
> Everything else is connected :-)
>
> (and emu and ems obviously are connected)
>
> So, if my dictionary is ok and you want to beat someone: ask from emu to
> something else :-)
>
> Regards.
>

How about:
ems -> emu -> emo -> ego -> ago ....

Got to admit that it took the online OED to come up with emo but it is
in there.

Gadget/Steve

From ntoll at ntoll.org  Sat Jun 16 18:18:06 2012
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:18:06 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP234E186791F71C57FC5528EAAFA0@phx.gbl>
References: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>
	<BLU0-SMTP234E186791F71C57FC5528EAAFA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4FDCB1BE.20403@ntoll.org>

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> 
> How about: ems -> emu -> emo -> ego -> ago ....
> 

Obviously, neither the dojo nor /usr/share/dict/words contain hormonal
truculent teenagers with floppy hair.

;-)

N.
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From GadgetSteve at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 16 18:27:18 2012
From: GadgetSteve at hotmail.com (Gadget/Steve)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:27:18 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
In-Reply-To: <4FDCB1BE.20403@ntoll.org>
References: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>
	<BLU0-SMTP234E186791F71C57FC5528EAAFA0@phx.gbl>
	<4FDCB1BE.20403@ntoll.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2576668A27E7B28E61A6C70AAFA0@phx.gbl>

On 16/06/2012 5:18 PM, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:
>
>
> > How about: ems -> emu -> emo -> ego -> ago ....
>
>
> Obviously, neither the dojo nor /usr/share/dict/words contain hormonal
> truculent teenagers with floppy hair.
>
> ;-)
>
> N.
> _______________________________________________
> python-uk mailing list
> python-uk at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk
>
>

Can anything?
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From carles at pina.cat  Sun Jun 17 00:09:02 2012
From: carles at pina.cat (Carles Pina i Estany)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:09:02 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP234E186791F71C57FC5528EAAFA0@phx.gbl>
References: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>
	<BLU0-SMTP234E186791F71C57FC5528EAAFA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20120616220902.GA869@pina.cat>


Hi,

On Jun/16/2012, Gadget/Steve wrote:
> On 16/06/2012 12:54 PM, Carles Pina i Estany wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've re-implemented the wordchain of my team.
> >
> > Using the dictionary that I have here, it seems that there are only two

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> > words unconnected to the rest of the 3 letter words:
> >  *emu
> >  *ems
> >
> > Everything else is connected :-)
> >
> > (and emu and ems obviously are connected)
> >
> > So, if my dictionary is ok and you want to beat someone: ask from emu to
> > something else :-)
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> 
> How about:
> ems -> emu -> emo -> ego -> ago ....
> 
> Got to admit that it took the online OED to come up with emo but it is
> in there.

emo is not in my dict:
carles at pinux:~/misc/wordchain$ grep ^emo$ british-english 
carles at pinux:~/misc/wordchain$ 

:-(

-- 
Carles Pina i Estany
	Web: http://pinux.info || Blog: http://pintant.cat

From carles at pina.cat  Sun Jun 17 00:19:20 2012
From: carles at pina.cat (Carles Pina i Estany)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:19:20 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
In-Reply-To: <20120616220902.GA869@pina.cat>
References: <20120616115453.GA20303@pina.cat>
	<BLU0-SMTP234E186791F71C57FC5528EAAFA0@phx.gbl>
	<20120616220902.GA869@pina.cat>
Message-ID: <20120616221920.GA1451@pina.cat>


Hi,

On Jun/16/2012, Carles Pina i Estany wrote:

> > How about:
> > ems -> emu -> emo -> ego -> ago ....
> > 
> > Got to admit that it took the online OED to come up with emo but it is
> > in there.

I also have to admin: I saw this mail in the mobile and during the
afternoon I was thinking... did I have a bug or some of the words wasn't
in the dict? :-))

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From GadgetSteve at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 17 11:01:32 2012
From: GadgetSteve at hotmail.com (Gadget/Steve)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:01:32 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
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On 16/06/2012 11:19 PM, Carles Pina i Estany wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Jun/16/2012, Carles Pina i Estany wrote:
>
>>> How about:
>>> ems -> emu -> emo -> ego -> ago ....
>>>
>>> Got to admit that it took the online OED to come up with emo but it is
>>> in there.
> I also have to admin: I saw this mail in the mobile and during the
> afternoon I was thinking... did I have a bug or some of the words wasn't
> in the dict? :-))
>
I don't think that there is a single dictionary that has all the valid
words in - the OED, (Oxford English Dictionary), is generally considered
the most authoritative but even that, back in the days of paper
dictionaries, used to issue a concise, (most of the words in common
use), complete, (13 volumes), and compact, (2 volumes printed very
small), editions.  The best section of the last two was the Spurious
Words section detailing words that had been introduced by mistakes in
other dictionaries including which first gave the word and which copied
it first. 

If you need a complete, always up to date, dictionary then you need to
work in a dead language like Latin - no new words introduced for over a
thousand years AFAIK or an artificial one, e.g. Esperanto where a
committee or other authority specifies which words are valid.  English
is growing and changing every day as old words are brought back into use
or redefined by individuals and new words introduced by individuals,
organisations and mistakes - all it takes is for something to start
being used by enough people - even brand names and abbreviations picked
to be unique enter the language as they are generalised, e.g. hoover, LED.

Gadget/Steve


From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Sun Jun 17 11:24:25 2012
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:24:25 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
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On 17/06/12 10:01, Gadget/Steve wrote:
> If you need a complete, always up to date, dictionary then you need to
> work in a dead language like Latin - no new words introduced for over a
> thousand years AFAIK or an artificial one, e.g. Esperanto where a
> committee or other authority specifies which words are valid.  English
> is growing and changing every day as old words are brought back into use
> or redefined by individuals and new words introduced by individuals,
> organisations and mistakes - all it takes is for something to start
> being used by enough people - even brand names and abbreviations picked
> to be unique enter the language as they are generalised, e.g. hoover, LED.

Beware of assumptions ;-)

Latin was a living language amongst European scientists generally
as recently as a couple of centuries ago. As a consequence of which
it was adopted by botanists and is thus used day-to-day to describe
new plant discoveries.

A consequence of this is that botanic latin picks up new words as
needed, when something like a scanning electron microscope comes
along and needs to be named :)

..okay, I'm being picky, let's allow your point, but substitute
Homeric Greek ;-)

  - Richard

????? ??? ??????, ?????, ??????????, ?? ???? ?????
???????, ???? ?????? ????? ?????????? ???????

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From mail at timgolden.me.uk  Sun Jun 17 12:29:15 2012
From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:29:15 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
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On 17/06/2012 10:24, Richard Smedley wrote:
> On 17/06/12 10:01, Gadget/Steve wrote:
>> If you need a complete, always up to date, dictionary then you need to
>> work in a dead language like Latin - no new words introduced for over a
>> thousand years AFAIK or an artificial one, e.g. Esperanto where a
>> committee or other authority specifies which words are valid.  English
>> is growing and changing every day as old words are brought back into use
>> or redefined by individuals and new words introduced by individuals,
>> organisations and mistakes - all it takes is for something to start
>> being used by enough people - even brand names and abbreviations picked
>> to be unique enter the language as they are generalised, e.g. hoover,
>> LED.
>
> Beware of assumptions ;-)
>
> Latin was a living language amongst European scientists generally
> as recently as a couple of centuries ago. As a consequence of which
> it was adopted by botanists and is thus used day-to-day to describe
> new plant discoveries.
>
> A consequence of this is that botanic latin picks up new words as
> needed, when something like a scanning electron microscope comes
> along and needs to be named :)

I would also point you towards the Vatican's dictionary of modern-day
Latin (which it needs for documents which reference "astronaut",
"television" and, presumably, "scanning electron microscope"). This is 
the Italian version. I'm sure you get the idea.

 
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/institutions_connected/latinitas/documents/rc_latinitas_20040601_lexicon_it.html#a


TJG

From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Sun Jun 17 12:56:16 2012
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:56:16 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
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On 17/06/12 11:29, Tim Golden wrote:
> I would also point you towards the Vatican's dictionary of modern-day
> Latin (which it needs for documents which reference "astronaut",
> "television" and, presumably, "scanning electron microscope"). This is
> the Italian version. I'm sure you get the idea.
>
>
> http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/institutions_connected/latinitas/documents/rc_latinitas_20040601_lexicon_it.html#a

There are too many gems in there to single out any individual one
to note. What a great resource. Thank you. :)

  - Richard



From mail at timgolden.me.uk  Sun Jun 17 13:08:22 2012
From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:08:22 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] word chains: impossible ones
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On 17/06/2012 11:56, Richard Smedley wrote:
> On 17/06/12 11:29, Tim Golden wrote:
>> I would also point you towards the Vatican's dictionary of modern-day
>> Latin (which it needs for documents which reference "astronaut",
>> "television" and, presumably, "scanning electron microscope"). This is
>> the Italian version. I'm sure you get the idea.
>>
>>
>> http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/institutions_connected/latinitas/documents/rc_latinitas_20040601_lexicon_it.html#a
>>
>
> There are too many gems in there to single out any individual one
> to note. What a great resource. Thank you. :)

Since we're on the subject -- although going increasingly off it -- I 
very much recommend an article by the retired teacher who translated 
Harry Potter into classical Greek. Obviously it's interesting to see 
what he's done with modern words. But what's particularly fascinating is 
the challenges he faced when, for example, translating aspects of colour 
or natural history -- things which we hardly think of as problematic 
when translating into a modern-day language.

   http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/harry_potter.htm

TJG

From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Sun Jun 17 14:51:22 2012
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:51:22 +0100
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On 17/06/12 12:08, Tim Golden wrote:
> Since we're on the subject -- although going increasingly off it -- I
> very much recommend an article by the retired teacher who translated
> Harry Potter into classical Greek. Obviously it's interesting to see
> what he's done with modern words. But what's particularly fascinating is
> the challenges he faced when, for example, translating aspects of colour
> or natural history -- things which we hardly think of as problematic
> when translating into a modern-day language.
>
> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/harry_potter.htm

Fascinating, and a sort of reverse of the challenge
facing Lindsey Davis when she transplanted a film noir/
Sam Spade type detective from 20th Century USA to
AD70s Rome.

However, it's kept me from the drier language paper
I'm supposed to be reading for work, on "LEI-nouns and PI-adjectives
are key building blocks of a new common financial language."
<http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Pages/speeches/2012/552.aspx> 
[1]
It's still OT, but I mention it here as it will be of interest
to some on the list...and there seems to be some Python work
going on with FpML - which doesn't seem an ideal answer, but
still...

  - Richard

[1] Which does finish with an indirect reference (Picasso)
     to ??????? - bringing us back to Tim's link :)

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From d_chetwynd at fastmail.co.uk  Sat Jun 23 23:39:16 2012
From: d_chetwynd at fastmail.co.uk (Daley Chetwynd)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:39:16 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next Python Sheffield meeting June 26th
Message-ID: <1340487556.13644.140661093134905.04C3C700@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi all,

The next Python Sheffield meeting is in three days time on Tuesday June
26th at the GIST Lab. The meeting will run from 19:00 - 20:45, although
doors will be open at the GIST Lab from 18:45. The GIST Lab is located
opposite Sheffield train station and behind the Showroom cinema:

http://thegisthub.net/groups/gistlab

This month we have the following two speakers:

Alan O'Donohoe (@teknoteacher) (via Google Hangout) - Teaching Python to
Secondary School Pupils
Daley Chetwynd (@dchetwynd) - Programming Python on a Raspberry Pi

We currently have 8 people registered for this meeting. If you'd like to
join us, please register for free at:

http://pythonsheffield1206.eventbrite.co.uk/

This meeting will also be broadcast via a Google Hangout, so if you'd
like to join the meeting online, contact me on Google Plus for an
invitation. 
We're always looking for future speakers, so if you'd like to talk on
anything Python-related and fancy a trip over to Sheffield, please get
in touch. To find out more, follow @pysheff on Twitter or see the Google
group:

http://groups.google.com/group/python-sheffield

Thanks,

Daley Chetwynd
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From tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk  Wed Jun 27 22:25:37 2012
From: tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk (Tony Ibbs)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:25:37 +0100
Subject: [python-uk] Next CamPUG meeting: Tuesday 3rd July
Message-ID: <DE21BFDA-2602-437F-9CFD-289EE20A2A14@tibsnjoan.co.uk>

From our Google group:

The next meeting will be Tuesday 3rd July, 7.30pm at RealVNC (http://tinyurl.com/realvncoffices).
We normally stop about 9.30pm, and go on to the pub.

This will be a talks meeting. Simon Jagoe volunteered to talk about the profiling framework that he and a colleague have been working on. I hope to have five or ten minutes on the joy of cross-compiling Python (and where to look for the solution if you need it). Any other talks will be very welcome.

Meetings after that should be:

	? Tuesday 7th August, a non-talks meeting
	? Tuesday 4th September, another talks meeting
	? Tuesday 2nd October, another non-talks meeting

Tibs