From gbulmeruk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 3 17:09:29 2011 From: gbulmeruk at yahoo.co.uk (G Bulmer UK) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:09:29 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] PYCON UK Python-on-a-chip Message-ID: Good news for folks who were interested in Python on Microcontrollers at PYCON UK (and anywhere else :-) The "best" implementation that I have found so far is "Python-on-a- chip" (P14p) http://code.google.com/p/python-on-a-chip/ A project lead by Dean Hall. (If you know of something better, please, please tell me) Why "best": 1. It already works 2. P14p is runs in about 55 KB+ program memory (flash) and 8KB RAM (to be useful), so just about fits on an Arduino Mega, and definitely fits in slightly bigger MCUs. It does have some missing features: http://code.google.com/p/python-on-a-chip/source/browse/docs/src/PyMiteFeatures.txt My Python is so poor, that I feel uncomfortable. I have no problem with 'exec' being missed out :-) I do feel uncomfortable (in theory) about 'try', 'except' and 'finally' being missing, but they do feel like pretty sophisticated concepts to use on a microcontroller. I first saw exceptions in Green, which became the Ada programming language, a language explicitly designed for embedded programming. I saw them again in C++, then Java (I've tried to teach all of them at undergraduate and post grad). IMHO it requires programming maturity to use them well, but I am always unhappy to use "cut-down" implementations in order to teach something. If anyone can find the time, I'd be grateful if folks would tell me if they think I am "barking up the wrong tree" (or simply "barking":-) by focusing on P14p. In the absence of guidance, I will try to keep chipping away:-) Anyway, while PYCON UK was happening (down the pub:-), 'Dave' of LeafLabs published this small, but encouraging blog: http://leaflabs.com/2011/09/pymite/ He has got interactive PyMite (part of Python-on-a-chip) working on an STM32F103 (ST Micro Cortex-M3 ARM) "Maple" ! I base my boards on the LeafLabs work, so this is excellent news. I missed this blog until Monday, so I apologise if anyone at PYCON UK feels I was asking questions unnecessarily. I currently use Arduinos C/C++ and the Arduino libraries for my workshops, but I am trying to move to the much more powerful ARM microcontroller; there are some projects which people ask about which are much more practical on faster, 32-bit MCUs with better peripherals. LeafLabs IDE is a fork of Processing (the base for the Arduino-IDE) and uses the same gcc C/C++ toolchain, but with LeafLabs libraries, so it isn't a big leap from Arduino. As folks who have done Microcontroller development will tell you, debugging C/C++ code on a microcontroller without hardware debug support can get quite hard. I don't use hardware debug with kids for a bunch of reasons (I'm happy to explain if anyone asks). So, being able to debug a live program, by printing variables, or running fragments of code, in the same programming language as the program is a significant step forward :-) I think that might be teachable. Actually, I think it might offer a completely different way to learn. Please don't assume I think this is "the way" to get Python into the hands of learners. I think people learn for many reasons, with many goals. This *broadens* the reach of Python (to include me and smaller MCUs:-). Of course, I still need to understand it! GB-) PS - Bog thank you to people for encouraging my microcontroller efforts in education (children and adults) at PYCON UK From jason at potatolondon.com Mon Oct 3 18:09:00 2011 From: jason at potatolondon.com (Jason Cartwright) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:09:00 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Potato is hiring Django coders Message-ID: Potato, a webdev agency based in London (with offices in Bristol & Amsterdam), is looking for Django ninjas to join our team. We're developer-lead and all about the code - employing no designers, no sysadmins and certainly no Flash developers. Freelance positions available initially, but more senior fulltime positions are possible. Our clients include Google, PayPal and a number of agencies. Lunch and fun, helpful work atmosphere provided. We would love to have a cup of tea and a chat, so drop us a line. http://p.ota.to/jobs/django-developer-london/ Jason -- Jason Cartwright p.ota.to From toby at timetric.com Tue Oct 4 13:44:34 2011 From: toby at timetric.com (Toby White) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:44:34 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Timetric is hiring Message-ID: Hi all, We're looking for a mid-level or senior Python developer; someone to help us build our platform for publishing data to the web. Timetric has a mission to make data accessible, and the work we do is highly visible in digital media and around the web. We've only got a small team right now, but we've got plans for growth. You'll be responsible for your own work from the start, but there's room for growing into a team lead as the software team expands. Since we're a small team, you'll need to be able to communicate well with front-end developers. You'll also need to be happy thinking in an operational way, we're responsible for our own sysadmining here. Devops fans preferred; we deploy all our stack through Chef. All of our backend is built in Python, and all on top of open-source code. We're aware of our debt to the open source community, so where we've extended or fixed any software we use, we make a point of pushing patches and features upstream, and we also release significant portions of our stack as open source. We try to be active in the developer community, we've co-hosted developer events, and we'll encourage you to talk about what we do, and be excited about it. Ideally, you'll be fluent in one or more languages beyond Python; we've got a bit of node.js in production and even a bit of Java - we're not blinkered in our approach to building software. You've probably already got a github account, or an active presence on various open-source projects. And source control will be central to your working process. If any of that attracts you - or anyone else you know - we'd love to hear from you. There's a job spec at http://timetric.com/about/jobs/ - please contact us at jobs at timetric.com. Thanks, Toby -- http://timetric.com twitter: @timetric, @tow21 From mauve at mauveweb.co.uk Wed Oct 5 00:37:37 2011 From: mauve at mauveweb.co.uk (Daniel Pope) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:37:37 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python Dojo in Reading? Message-ID: <20111004223737.GA21513@han.mauveinternet.co.uk> Hi all, A couple of months back I was searching to see if there was a Python Dojo in or near Reading. This led to a Google search that turned up little except articles extolling how easy Python code is to read. On the basis of this negligible research, and Nicholas' talk at Europython, I thought I'd investigate setting up a dojo, but only in the last couple of weeks have some potential sponsors made themselves known to me. If there is a meet-up nearby that already exists, please let me know so I can stop wasting my time (and attend, obviously)! But if you'd be interested in attending a Dojo in Reading (potentially within the next couple of weeks), perhaps you could drop me an e-mail off-list so that I can gauge interest? I'll set up an Eventwax thing and announce on this list if this thing has legs. Dan From tartley at tartley.com Wed Oct 5 11:17:31 2011 From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:17:31 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python Dojo in Reading? In-Reply-To: <6571278.79299.1317768311740.JavaMail.root@m08> References: <6571278.79299.1317768311740.JavaMail.root@m08> Message-ID: <4E8C20AB.7050506@tartley.com> On 04/10/2011 23:37, Daniel Pope wrote: > Hi all, > > A couple of months back I was searching to see if there was a Python Dojo in or > near Reading... > ... > If there is a meet-up nearby that already exists, please let me know so I can > stop wasting my time (and attend, obviously)! > ... > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk For the record, there is the central London Python Code Dojo. This month's event is already full (places fill up within a small number of hours) but future ones will be announced here on python-uk every month: https://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-4-episode-1 Jonathan -- Jonathan Hartley tartley at tartley.com http://tartley.com Made of meat. +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley From dave at dave.gs Wed Oct 5 13:02:59 2011 From: dave at dave.gs (David Walker) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:02:59 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python Dojo in Reading? In-Reply-To: <20111004223737.GA21513@han.mauveinternet.co.uk> References: <20111004223737.GA21513@han.mauveinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: Dan, I would be up for a Reading Dojo. Let me know if you get it off the ground. Cheers, Dave On 4 October 2011 23:37, Daniel Pope wrote: > Hi all, > > A couple of months back I was searching to see if there was a Python Dojo > in or > near Reading. This led to a Google search that turned up little except > articles > extolling how easy Python code is to read. On the basis of this negligible > research, and Nicholas' talk at Europython, I thought I'd investigate > setting > up a dojo, but only in the last couple of weeks have some potential > sponsors > made themselves known to me. > > If there is a meet-up nearby that already exists, please let me know so I > can > stop wasting my time (and attend, obviously)! > > But if you'd be interested in attending a Dojo in Reading (potentially > within > the next couple of weeks), perhaps you could drop me an e-mail off-list so > that > I can gauge interest? I'll set up an Eventwax thing and announce on this > list > if this thing has legs. > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan at odonohoe.org.uk Thu Oct 6 00:53:41 2011 From: alan at odonohoe.org.uk (Alan O'Donohoe) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 23:53:41 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Interested in a 'BBC Micro' in schools project? Message-ID: <60209CA5-E738-446E-AD6E-759B99DC014A@odonohoe.org.uk> Ok - I know I upset a lot of Pythonistas with my "BBC CodeLab" stunt at PyconUK. I do sincerely regret any upset I caused anyone, the talk was meant to stimulate talk and discussion about whether it was a good idea and how feasible it could be. I accept I was wholly misguided in using such a rouse when there was already so much good work taking place. I did have honourable intentions, but used nefarious means to achieve my goal of raising the profile of computing in schools. Suffice to say, I will be eating 'Humble Pi' or HumblePy for some time to come. ;-) So - imagine how surprised I was to discover in the last few days that the real BBC (not the one in my head) are actually seriously considering a BBC Micro in schools project! I thought my Christmas had come early! I don't wish to claim any credit for this, I am sure it was something that was already on the table before I came and opened my big gob. If you don't believe me - that's ok with me. The fable of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' springs to mind. So you don't need to take my word for it, Professor Keri Facer of Manchester Metropolitan Uni has been asked by the BBC to gather a network of teachers, programmers/developers and university lecturers/professors to gauge te level of interest in a 'BBC Micro Project' She requests that anyone with an interest email her directly at k.facer at mmu.ac.uk Can I please urge anyone who values the principle of allowing children in the UK to experience a little (or a lot) of what programming is to contact her and express your interest. If we want the BBC to sit up and take an interest - we need to show our level of interest and commitment to this cause. Alan O'Donohoe @teknoteacher 07791 126056 From ntoll at ntoll.org Fri Oct 7 12:11:45 2011 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:11:45 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] The BBC and Python Message-ID: <1317982305.2031.34.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> Hey Folks, It has been brought to my attention that the BBC *are* actually making moves in the area of programming in schools (viz. what happened at PyconUK). I've copied an email that was forwarded to me and I think it'd be useful for the UK Python community to engage with these guys. I'm certainly going to respond and I know that there are many people on this list who have valuable experience and knowledge to share. It's almost lunch time. If you're at a loose end over your sandwich-break then why not reply rather than browse Slashdot..? :-P All the best, Nicholas. From: Keri Facer > Date: 6 October 2011 11:54:36 GMT+01:00 > To: Keri Facer > Subject: 'BBC Micro' Project - > > > Hi all > > Thanks for expressing an interest in informing a possible new BBC > Micro Project and thanks to all of you for the comments you have > already sent - apologies for the group reply, but your help with the > following would be very much appreciated! > > Best wishes > > Keri > > > Invitation to contribute > > > The BBC is exploring the possibility of developing a new ?BBC Micro? > project to encourage an interest amongst young people in computers, > computational thinking and computer science. Manchester Metropolitan > University is working with the BBC to draw on the views of teachers, > lecturers, computer scientists, programmers and others with an > interest in computational thinking in the UK today. We would > appreciate your assistance in helping to inform the early stages of > this process. > > > > First, a bit of background: > > > > In the early 1980s, the BBC started what became known as the BBC > Computer Literacy Project in response to predictions of a coming > microcomputer revolution and its likely future impacts on UK economy > and society. The BBC based its project around a computer and > programming language capable of being used to perform various tasks > which would be demonstrated in a TV series The Computer Programme. The > list of topics in the TV programme included graphics, programming, > sound and music, controlling external hardware, artificial > intelligence and teletext The computer selected was the Acorn Proton, > which was then re-badged the BBC Micro. The government funded the > purchase and distribution of 12,000 of the computers to UK schools for > use alongside the TV programme. In turn this stimulated a significant > growth in domestic use of the Micro. > > > Today, there is criticism of the ICT curriculum and the teaching of > programming (or computational thinking) in schools. The Royal Society, > amongst others, believe that design and delivery of ICT and computer > science curricula in schools is so poor that students? understanding > and enjoyment of the subject is severely limited. In response to this > the BBC is exploring the possibility of developing a project with the > specific purpose of encouraging an interest in computers, computer > science and computer programming amongst young people. > > > > We would like to know your views on what the BBC could do in this > area. In particular, what you would see as the desirable equivalent of > the BBC Micro and The Computer Programme today? What technologies and > processes, what tools and skills would such a project need to > develop? In particular, we would appreciate answers to the specific > questions below > > > > (NB, we use the term computational thinking rather than computer > science, programming, or ICT skills because we don?t want to assume > one particular view of what is important in this area. That, indeed, > is what we want your views on). > > > > Key questions > > * What aspects of computational thinking (e.g. understanding how > ?computers think/work?, using programming languages, > understanding systems thinking or other issues) should a BBC > Micro 2.0 project focus on? What do you think people should be > able to learn to do with computers today? Why? > * What are the best ways to support and encourage those young > people (aged 9-14) with an interest in this area, to develop > their interest and skills in computational thinking ? Can you > suggest any examples of resources or activities that you know > of? > * What are the best ways to support and encourage young people > (aged 9-14) with other intereststo develop an interest in and > understanding of computational thinking? Can you suggest any > examples of resources or activities that you know of? > * What are the key obstacles to learning computational thinking > and how might these best be overcome? > * If you were to make hardware available to schools in the same > way as the BBC Micro in 1981, what sorts of hardware would you > think was essential to develop the skills and understanding > needed? > * If you were designing a tv programme today that sought to have > the same effect as The Computer Programme in stimulating > interest in the most important new area of technological > development, what area would you expect it to address and what > topics would you expect it to cover? Would it still be in the > field of computer science? What areas? > * Do you know of any projects, resources and activities that > would be examples that this project could learn from? > * Do you have any other comments on the idea of a new BBC Micro > project? > > > Thank you for your time and your help ? do let us know if you?d like > to be kept updated if there are further developments. > > > > > > > > Keri Facer (MMU) > > Howard Baker (BBC) > > Nicola Whitton (MMU) > > > > > Keri Facer > Professor of Education > Education and Social Research Institute > Manchester Metropolitan University > 799 Wilmslow Road > Manchester > M20 2RR > > Tel: 0161 247 2412 > Email: k.facer at mmu.ac.uk > Twitter: #kerileef > > "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should > read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available > on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The OU runs a course "My Digital Life" which is related to this (but not for schools). http://www3.open.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/course/tu100.htm At the centre of the course is The SenseBoard, which as I recall Gary Bullmer developed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgn4Ln47lM8 I hope this helps. Jonathan On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Hey Folks, > > It has been brought to my attention that the BBC *are* actually making > moves in the area of programming in schools (viz. what happened at > PyconUK). > > I've copied an email that was forwarded to me and I think it'd be useful > for the UK Python community to engage with these guys. I'm certainly > going to respond and I know that there are many people on this list who > have valuable experience and knowledge to share. > > It's almost lunch time. If you're at a loose end over your > sandwich-break then why not reply rather than browse Slashdot..? :-P > > All the best, > > Nicholas. > > From: Keri Facer > > Date: 6 October 2011 11:54:36 GMT+01:00 > > To: Keri Facer > > Subject: 'BBC Micro' Project - > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > Thanks for expressing an interest in informing a possible new BBC > > Micro Project and thanks to all of you for the comments you have > > already sent - apologies for the group reply, but your help with the > > following would be very much appreciated! > > > > Best wishes > > > > Keri > > > > > > Invitation to contribute > > > > > > The BBC is exploring the possibility of developing a new ?BBC Micro? > > project to encourage an interest amongst young people in computers, > > computational thinking and computer science. Manchester Metropolitan > > University is working with the BBC to draw on the views of teachers, > > lecturers, computer scientists, programmers and others with an > > interest in computational thinking in the UK today. We would > > appreciate your assistance in helping to inform the early stages of > > this process. > > > > > > > > First, a bit of background: > > > > > > > > In the early 1980s, the BBC started what became known as the BBC > > Computer Literacy Project in response to predictions of a coming > > microcomputer revolution and its likely future impacts on UK economy > > and society. The BBC based its project around a computer and > > programming language capable of being used to perform various tasks > > which would be demonstrated in a TV series The Computer Programme. The > > list of topics in the TV programme included graphics, programming, > > sound and music, controlling external hardware, artificial > > intelligence and teletext The computer selected was the Acorn Proton, > > which was then re-badged the BBC Micro. The government funded the > > purchase and distribution of 12,000 of the computers to UK schools for > > use alongside the TV programme. In turn this stimulated a significant > > growth in domestic use of the Micro. > > > > > > Today, there is criticism of the ICT curriculum and the teaching of > > programming (or computational thinking) in schools. The Royal Society, > > amongst others, believe that design and delivery of ICT and computer > > science curricula in schools is so poor that students? understanding > > and enjoyment of the subject is severely limited. In response to this > > the BBC is exploring the possibility of developing a project with the > > specific purpose of encouraging an interest in computers, computer > > science and computer programming amongst young people. > > > > > > > > We would like to know your views on what the BBC could do in this > > area. In particular, what you would see as the desirable equivalent of > > the BBC Micro and The Computer Programme today? What technologies and > > processes, what tools and skills would such a project need to > > develop? In particular, we would appreciate answers to the specific > > questions below > > > > > > > > (NB, we use the term computational thinking rather than computer > > science, programming, or ICT skills because we don?t want to assume > > one particular view of what is important in this area. That, indeed, > > is what we want your views on). > > > > > > > > Key questions > > > > * What aspects of computational thinking (e.g. understanding how > > ?computers think/work?, using programming languages, > > understanding systems thinking or other issues) should a BBC > > Micro 2.0 project focus on? What do you think people should be > > able to learn to do with computers today? Why? > > * What are the best ways to support and encourage those young > > people (aged 9-14) with an interest in this area, to develop > > their interest and skills in computational thinking ? Can you > > suggest any examples of resources or activities that you know > > of? > > * What are the best ways to support and encourage young people > > (aged 9-14) with other intereststo develop an interest in and > > understanding of computational thinking? Can you suggest any > > examples of resources or activities that you know of? > > * What are the key obstacles to learning computational thinking > > and how might these best be overcome? > > * If you were to make hardware available to schools in the same > > way as the BBC Micro in 1981, what sorts of hardware would you > > think was essential to develop the skills and understanding > > needed? > > * If you were designing a tv programme today that sought to have > > the same effect as The Computer Programme in stimulating > > interest in the most important new area of technological > > development, what area would you expect it to address and what > > topics would you expect it to cover? Would it still be in the > > field of computer science? What areas? > > * Do you know of any projects, resources and activities that > > would be examples that this project could learn from? > > * Do you have any other comments on the idea of a new BBC Micro > > project? > > > > > > Thank you for your time and your help ? do let us know if you?d like > > to be kept updated if there are further developments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keri Facer (MMU) > > > > Howard Baker (BBC) > > > > Nicola Whitton (MMU) > > > > > > > > > > Keri Facer > > Professor of Education > > Education and Social Research Institute > > Manchester Metropolitan University > > 799 Wilmslow Road > > Manchester > > M20 2RR > > > > Tel: 0161 247 2412 > > Email: k.facer at mmu.ac.uk > > Twitter: #kerileef > > > > "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should > > read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available > > on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mail at timgolden.me.uk Tue Oct 11 15:41:36 2011 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:41:36 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Oxford Python Meetup tomorrow; Jericho Tavern at 7:30PM In-Reply-To: <4E943E4C.4060404@alexdutton.co.uk> References: <4E943E4C.4060404@alexdutton.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E944790.3060804@timgolden.me.uk> On 11/10/2011 14:02, Alexander Dutton wrote: > PS. Is it possible to get them added to > ? Umm. It's a wiki. You can add them yourself :) TJG From pythonsheffield at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:31:36 2011 From: pythonsheffield at gmail.com (Daley Chetwynd) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:31:36 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Next Python Sheffield Oct 25th Message-ID: Hi all, The next Python Sheffield meeting has now been confirmed for Tuesday October 25th at the GIST Lab. The meeting will run from 19:00 - 20:45, although doors will be open at the GIST Lab from 18:30. The GIST Lab is located opposite Sheffield train station and behind the Showroom cinema: http://thegisthub.net/groups/gistlab This month we're having a coding session on Python 2 to 3 conversion. We'll be working in groups and trying to convert Python libraries still only in Python 2 over to Python 3. We'll need suggestions on which Python libraries to convert, so if there's a Python library you regularly use that isn't yet converted into Python 3, please let me know. In an hour and 45 minutes we're not likely to get an entire major Python library converted, but we can convert some of the library and learn about Python 2 and 3 differences in the process. Try to bring along a laptop with Python ready installed. If you'd like to join us for this event then please register for free at: http://pysheff1110.eventbrite.com/ We're always looking for future speakers, so if you'd like to talk on anything Python-related and fancy a trip over to Sheffield, please let me know. 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As we need to ensure there is is pizza and beer for everyone, please sign up for a ticket at the URL below if you'd like to attend. https://rdgpydojo.eventwax.com/reading-python-dojo I've set up a Twitter account for completeness. Follow us at @rdgpydojo. From harry.percival at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 18:26:23 2011 From: harry.percival at gmail.com (Harry Percival) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:26:23 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? Message-ID: Hi-ho python peeps, Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven Django development, with Selenium? I've been working on a tutorial on the topic (< https://github.com/hjwp/Test-Driven-Django-Tutorial> *) . I'm not claiming to be a massive expert, but it's what I've learned at work over the last year or so, so it's fresh in my mind... I'm pretty sure I could get a couple of (ex?) colleagues to help present... Would be aimed at beginners / people who don't know Selenium / people who want to learn Django the "right" way / people who want to learn TDD... If you already know Django and Selenium back to front, it would probably be of less interest, although there may be some interesting discussions around integrating the Django test runner, WebDriver vs Selenium-RC etc... So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? London area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... HP * work in progress! for example, the .jar file really isn't necessary... -- ------------------------------ Harry J.W. Percival ------------------------------ @hjwp Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 Skype: harry.percival -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy at reportlab.com Thu Oct 13 18:36:18 2011 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:36:18 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13 October 2011 17:26, Harry Percival wrote: > Hi-ho python peeps, > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven > Django development, with Selenium? > > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?? London > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... This could be highly relevant for us and of my clients. Possibly 5 people from us if the timing is right. Regrettably we don't have physical space for it right now (and are way outside the centre of London) -- Andy Robinson ReportLab From bld at otfrom.com Thu Oct 13 18:37:43 2011 From: bld at otfrom.com (Bruce Durling) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:37:43 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Harry, On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26, Harry Percival wrote: > Hi-ho python peeps, > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven > Django development, with Selenium? That sounds like a great idea. > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?? London > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... I think you'd get very good turnout for this (I'd be interested for a start). How long did you think it would last (1-2hrs or longer)? Will it be free or will you charge? There are a number of venues in London that could host depending on numbers and what you have planned. cheers, Bruce From harry.percival at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 19:11:37 2011 From: harry.percival at gmail.com (Harry Percival) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:11:37 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Andy, Bruce, Wow, charging for it, hadn't even thought of that! No, I think I'd be very happy to do it for free... Maybe when I get a bit more bored of it all I'll demand some compensation ;-) In terms of timing, I'm really not sure yet. My objective would be to try and track the django tutorial, which involves the admin site, 3 simple views and a couple of forms... I'll have to think through how it would all work... if it was a workshop, maybe I'd have a repo with some pre-prepared branches everyone can pull from, and work through together as we add bits of code, before moving onto the next one... How much time do you guys think people could stand? We'd need a proper break if it was any longer than 1.5 hours... And any longer than 3 hours would probably be too much... testing topics I'd want to cover: - an automated FT runner - keep production and test data separate - selenium API: find_elements_by_id, find_element_by_css_selector, etc etc - unit tests and the django test runner - the django (unit) test client - mocking - why test, anyway? and what to test? django topics I'd want to cover: - manage.py commands: startproject, startapp, syncdb, runserver, loaddata - the admin site - models - views - templates - forms nice-to-haves: - javascript - transactions - south lots for me to think about! Do you guys think anything is missing? hp On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Durling wrote: > Harry, > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26, Harry Percival > wrote: > > Hi-ho python peeps, > > > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of > test-driven > > Django development, with Selenium? > > That sounds like a great idea. > > > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? > London > > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > > I think you'd get very good turnout for this (I'd be interested for a > start). How long did you think it would last (1-2hrs or longer)? Will > it be free or will you charge? > > There are a number of venues in London that could host depending on > numbers and what you have planned. > > cheers, > Bruce > -- ------------------------------ Harry J.W. Percival ------------------------------ Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 Skype: harry.percival -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cal at rangespan.com Thu Oct 13 19:17:10 2011 From: cal at rangespan.com (Cal Paterson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:17:10 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Harry, I'm also interested in this, depending on where you decide to run it :) Cal On 13 October 2011 18:11, Harry Percival wrote: > Hey Andy, Bruce, > > Wow, charging for it, hadn't even thought of that!? No, I think I'd be very > happy to do it for free...? Maybe when I get a bit more bored of it all I'll > demand some compensation ;-) > > In terms of timing, I'm really not sure yet. My objective would be to try > and track the django tutorial, which involves the admin site, 3 simple views > and a couple of forms...? I'll have to think through how it would all > work...? if it was a workshop, maybe I'd have a repo with some pre-prepared > branches everyone can pull from, and work through together as we add bits of > code, before moving onto the next one... > > How much time do you guys think people could stand?? We'd need a proper > break if it was any longer than 1.5 hours... And any longer than 3 hours > would probably be too much... > > testing topics I'd want to cover: > - an automated FT runner > - keep production and test data separate > - selenium API:? find_elements_by_id, find_element_by_css_selector, etc etc > - unit tests and the django test runner > - the django (unit) test client > - mocking > - why test, anyway? and what to test? > > django topics I'd want to cover: > - manage.py commands: startproject, startapp, syncdb, runserver, loaddata > - the admin site > - models > - views > - templates > - forms > > nice-to-haves: > - javascript > - transactions > - south > > lots for me to think about!? Do you guys think anything is missing? > > > hp > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Durling wrote: >> >> Harry, >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26, Harry Percival >> wrote: >> > Hi-ho python peeps, >> > >> > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of >> > test-driven >> > Django development, with Selenium? >> >> That sounds like a great idea. >> >> > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? >> > London >> > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... >> >> I think you'd get very good turnout for this (I'd be interested for a >> start). How long did you think it would last (1-2hrs or longer)? Will >> it be free or will you charge? >> >> There are a number of venues in London that could host depending on >> numbers and what you have planned. >> >> cheers, >> Bruce > > > > -- > ------------------------------ > Harry J.W. Percival > ------------------------------ > Mobile:? +44 (0) 78877 02511 > Skype:? ? ? ?? harry.percival > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > From bld at otfrom.com Thu Oct 13 19:21:16 2011 From: bld at otfrom.com (Bruce Durling) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:21:16 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Harry, On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 18:11, Harry Percival wrote: Skillsmatter would probably host this as a free evening talk. They have a number of rooms that would be suitable (holding 40ish, 75ish and 125ish), though you'd probably want to limit it to 60 (absolute max) if it was going to be a practical lab rather than a talk. Drop me a line off the list if you are interested and I'll put you in touch with the right people. Others might be willing to host too. cheers, Bruce From tartley at tartley.com Thu Oct 13 19:23:16 2011 From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:23:16 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: <18669616.49937.1318523539183.JavaMail.root@m08> References: <18669616.49937.1318523539183.JavaMail.root@m08> Message-ID: <4E971E84.1020701@tartley.com> Here at Rangespan we're all very interested. You'd have two or more attendees from here. Jonathan On 13/10/2011 17:26, Harry Percival wrote: > Hi-ho python peeps, > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of > test-driven Django development, with Selenium? > > I've been working on a tutorial on the topic > ( *) . I'm not > claiming to be a massive expert, but it's what I've learned at work > over the last year or so, so it's fresh in my mind... I'm pretty sure > I could get a couple of (ex?) colleagues to help present... > > Would be aimed at beginners / people who don't know Selenium / people > who want to learn Django the "right" way / people who want to learn > TDD... If you already know Django and Selenium back to front, it would > probably be of less interest, although there may be some interesting > discussions around integrating the Django test runner, WebDriver vs > Selenium-RC etc... > > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? > London area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > > HP > > * work in progress! for example, the .jar file really isn't necessary... > > -- > ------------------------------ > Harry J.W. Percival > ------------------------------ > @hjwp > Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 > Skype: harry.percival > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk -- Jonathan Hartley tartley at tartley.com http://tartley.com Made of meat. +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From realtimethrill at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 23:23:00 2011 From: realtimethrill at gmail.com (Dave C) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:23:00 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 98, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I'd most definately attend, sounds great. Cheers On 13 October 2011 18:17, wrote: > Send python-uk mailing list submissions to > python-uk at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-uk-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-uk-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of python-uk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? > (Harry Percival) > 2. Re: Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any > interest? (Andy Robinson) > 3. Re: Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any > interest? (Bruce Durling) > 4. Re: Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any > interest? (Harry Percival) > 5. Re: Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any > interest? (Cal Paterson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:26:23 +0100 > From: Harry Percival > To: UK Python Users > Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - > any interest? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi-ho python peeps, > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven > Django development, with Selenium? > > I've been working on a tutorial on the topic (< > https://github.com/hjwp/Test-Driven-Django-Tutorial> *) . I'm not claiming > to be a massive expert, but it's what I've learned at work over the last > year or so, so it's fresh in my mind... I'm pretty sure I could get a > couple > of (ex?) colleagues to help present... > > Would be aimed at beginners / people who don't know Selenium / people who > want to learn Django the "right" way / people who want to learn TDD... If > you already know Django and Selenium back to front, it would probably be of > less interest, although there may be some interesting discussions around > integrating the Django test runner, WebDriver vs Selenium-RC etc... > > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? London > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > > HP > > * work in progress! for example, the .jar file really isn't necessary... > > -- > ------------------------------ > Harry J.W. Percival > ------------------------------ > @hjwp > Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 > Skype: harry.percival > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/attachments/20111013/6ed60310/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:36:18 +0100 > From: Andy Robinson > To: hjwp2 at cantab.net, UK Python Users > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" > - any interest? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 13 October 2011 17:26, Harry Percival wrote: > > Hi-ho python peeps, > > > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of > test-driven > > Django development, with Selenium? > > > > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?? > London > > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > > > This could be highly relevant for us and of my clients. Possibly 5 > people from us if the timing is right. > > Regrettably we don't have physical space for it right now (and are way > outside the centre of London) > > > > -- > Andy Robinson > ReportLab > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:37:43 +0100 > From: Bruce Durling > To: hjwp2 at cantab.net, UK Python Users > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" > - any interest? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Harry, > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26, Harry Percival > wrote: > > Hi-ho python peeps, > > > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of > test-driven > > Django development, with Selenium? > > That sounds like a great idea. > > > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?? > London > > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > > I think you'd get very good turnout for this (I'd be interested for a > start). How long did you think it would last (1-2hrs or longer)? Will > it be free or will you charge? > > There are a number of venues in London that could host depending on > numbers and what you have planned. > > cheers, > Bruce > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:11:37 +0100 > From: Harry Percival > To: Bruce Durling , Andy Robinson > Cc: UK Python Users > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" > - any interest? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey Andy, Bruce, > > Wow, charging for it, hadn't even thought of that! No, I think I'd be very > happy to do it for free... Maybe when I get a bit more bored of it all > I'll > demand some compensation ;-) > > In terms of timing, I'm really not sure yet. My objective would be to try > and track the django tutorial, which involves the admin site, 3 simple > views > and a couple of forms... I'll have to think through how it would all > work... if it was a workshop, maybe I'd have a repo with some pre-prepared > branches everyone can pull from, and work through together as we add bits > of > code, before moving onto the next one... > > How much time do you guys think people could stand? We'd need a proper > break if it was any longer than 1.5 hours... And any longer than 3 hours > would probably be too much... > > testing topics I'd want to cover: > - an automated FT runner > - keep production and test data separate > - selenium API: find_elements_by_id, find_element_by_css_selector, etc etc > - unit tests and the django test runner > - the django (unit) test client > - mocking > - why test, anyway? and what to test? > > django topics I'd want to cover: > - manage.py commands: startproject, startapp, syncdb, runserver, loaddata > - the admin site > - models > - views > - templates > - forms > > nice-to-haves: > - javascript > - transactions > - south > > lots for me to think about! Do you guys think anything is missing? > > > hp > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Durling wrote: > > > Harry, > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26, Harry Percival > > wrote: > > > Hi-ho python peeps, > > > > > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of > > test-driven > > > Django development, with Selenium? > > > > That sounds like a great idea. > > > > > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? > > London > > > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > > > > I think you'd get very good turnout for this (I'd be interested for a > > start). How long did you think it would last (1-2hrs or longer)? Will > > it be free or will you charge? > > > > There are a number of venues in London that could host depending on > > numbers and what you have planned. > > > > cheers, > > Bruce > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------ > Harry J.W. Percival > ------------------------------ > Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 > Skype: harry.percival > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/attachments/20111013/3c6c1cf0/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:17:10 +0100 > From: Cal Paterson > To: hjwp2 at cantab.net, UK Python Users > Cc: Andy Robinson > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" > - any interest? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hey Harry, > > I'm also interested in this, depending on where you decide to run it :) > > Cal > > On 13 October 2011 18:11, Harry Percival wrote: > > Hey Andy, Bruce, > > > > Wow, charging for it, hadn't even thought of that!? No, I think I'd be > very > > happy to do it for free...? Maybe when I get a bit more bored of it all > I'll > > demand some compensation ;-) > > > > In terms of timing, I'm really not sure yet. My objective would be to try > > and track the django tutorial, which involves the admin site, 3 simple > views > > and a couple of forms...? I'll have to think through how it would all > > work...? if it was a workshop, maybe I'd have a repo with some > pre-prepared > > branches everyone can pull from, and work through together as we add bits > of > > code, before moving onto the next one... > > > > How much time do you guys think people could stand?? We'd need a proper > > break if it was any longer than 1.5 hours... And any longer than 3 hours > > would probably be too much... > > > > testing topics I'd want to cover: > > - an automated FT runner > > - keep production and test data separate > > - selenium API:? find_elements_by_id, find_element_by_css_selector, etc > etc > > - unit tests and the django test runner > > - the django (unit) test client > > - mocking > > - why test, anyway? and what to test? > > > > django topics I'd want to cover: > > - manage.py commands: startproject, startapp, syncdb, runserver, loaddata > > - the admin site > > - models > > - views > > - templates > > - forms > > > > nice-to-haves: > > - javascript > > - transactions > > - south > > > > lots for me to think about!? Do you guys think anything is missing? > > > > > > hp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Durling wrote: > >> > >> Harry, > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26, Harry Percival > > >> wrote: > >> > Hi-ho python peeps, > >> > > >> > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of > >> > test-driven > >> > Django development, with Selenium? > >> > >> That sounds like a great idea. > >> > >> > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? > >> > London > >> > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > >> > >> I think you'd get very good turnout for this (I'd be interested for a > >> start). How long did you think it would last (1-2hrs or longer)? Will > >> it be free or will you charge? > >> > >> There are a number of venues in London that could host depending on > >> numbers and what you have planned. > >> > >> cheers, > >> Bruce > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------ > > Harry J.W. Percival > > ------------------------------ > > Mobile:? +44 (0) 78877 02511 > > Skype:? ? ? ?? harry.percival > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > End of python-uk Digest, Vol 98, Issue 7 > **************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas at viner.plus.com Thu Oct 13 23:47:47 2011 From: thomas at viner.plus.com (Tom Viner) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:47:47 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Definitely interested in this. We're expanding the testing we do at U-Dox and adding something like Selenium to the arsenal would be a major win. I went to a BrightonPy talk by Jim Purbrick last year and was impressed by the comprehensive setup he had. In particular, as I recall, he had Selenium running in a virtual machine linux desktop so it could chug through his tests without disturbing his coding on the real desktop. http://lanyrd.com/2010/brightonpy-october/ (slide 11 has some selenium, but you'll need the video to explain his vm setup, worth watching) And to be honest, that's sum total of my knowledge on these matters! Hence I really appreciate you taking the time and effort, happy to provide compensation in terms of the beverage of your preference Harry (this beer sponsored by python anywhere ... DOT COM :-D ) Tom On 13 October 2011 18:11, Harry Percival wrote: > Hey Andy, Bruce, > > Wow, charging for it, hadn't even thought of that! No, I think I'd be very > happy to do it for free... Maybe when I get a bit more bored of it all I'll > demand some compensation ;-) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aaron.j.watkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 08:55:21 2011 From: aaron.j.watkins at gmail.com (Aaron Watkins) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:55:21 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-7075563867764067260@unknownmsgid> Yet another +1 (yes it's a good topic). I'm interested in the Django test runner (we use nose, so interested to compare the two). Also, your experiences with Selenium as we are only just getting started here. Particularly interested in: - web driver / RC: I've hacked together something that tries to use WebDriver locally, but falls back to an RC grid. It's not pretty. Best practices appreciated - performing tests on UI elements that are dynamically generated: finding by id is a pain for the element called ext-gen-689 Regards, Aaron Watkins On 13 Oct 2011, at 22:50, Tom Viner wrote: Definitely interested in this. We're expanding the testing we do at U-Dox and adding something like Selenium to the arsenal would be a major win. I went to a BrightonPy talk by Jim Purbrick last year and was impressed by the comprehensive setup he had. In particular, as I recall, he had Selenium running in a virtual machine linux desktop so it could chug through his tests without disturbing his coding on the real desktop. http://lanyrd.com/2010/brightonpy-october/ (slide 11 has some selenium, but you'll need the video to explain his vm setup, worth watching) And to be honest, that's sum total of my knowledge on these matters! Hence I really appreciate you taking the time and effort, happy to provide compensation in terms of the beverage of your preference Harry (this beer sponsored by python anywhere ... DOT COM :-D ) Tom On 13 October 2011 18:11, Harry Percival wrote: > Hey Andy, Bruce, > > Wow, charging for it, hadn't even thought of that! No, I think I'd be very > happy to do it for free... Maybe when I get a bit more bored of it all I'll > demand some compensation ;-) > > _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list python-uk at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.p.dwyer at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 09:54:22 2011 From: kevin.p.dwyer at gmail.com (Kev Dwyer) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:54:22 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Harry, Definitely keen, especially on Selenium. Cheers, Kev On 13 Oct 2011 17:31, "Harry Percival" wrote: > Hi-ho python peeps, > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven > Django development, with Selenium? > > I've been working on a tutorial on the topic (< > https://github.com/hjwp/Test-Driven-Django-Tutorial> *) . I'm not claiming > to be a massive expert, but it's what I've learned at work over the last > year or so, so it's fresh in my mind... I'm pretty sure I could get a couple > of (ex?) colleagues to help present... > > Would be aimed at beginners / people who don't know Selenium / people who > want to learn Django the "right" way / people who want to learn TDD... If > you already know Django and Selenium back to front, it would probably be of > less interest, although there may be some interesting discussions around > integrating the Django test runner, WebDriver vs Selenium-RC etc... > > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? London > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > > HP > > * work in progress! for example, the .jar file really isn't necessary... > > -- > ------------------------------ > Harry J.W. Percival > ------------------------------ > @hjwp > Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 > Skype: harry.percival > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy at reportlab.com Fri Oct 14 10:16:56 2011 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:16:56 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We've been using Selenium for several years and have two fairly substantial test suites used for web applications, as well as Django's test client. I don't think we're doing anything particularly advanced, clever or 'Django-integrated', but we can certainly show some of this if needed and would be keen to compare notes on best practices, if the venue and dates work out. We've also just started to play with BrowserMob, which is a hosted testing service that can import selenium scripts, run tests for you regularly, run realistic load tests, and even send you screenshots of what went wrong if tests fail. It's pretty neat and you can play with it at modest levels at no charge. I should know a bit more by whenever the talk rolls around! -- Andy Robinson ReportLab From tom at tomchristie.com Fri Oct 14 10:56:15 2011 From: tom at tomchristie.com (tom christie) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:56:15 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And another +1 from here - great plan! Cheers, Tom. On 14 October 2011 09:16, Andy Robinson wrote: > We've been using Selenium for several years and have two fairly > substantial test suites used for web applications, as well as Django's > test client. I don't think we're doing anything particularly > advanced, clever or 'Django-integrated', but we can certainly show > some of this if needed and would be keen to compare notes on best > practices, if the venue and dates work out. > > We've also just started to play with BrowserMob, which is a hosted > testing service that can import selenium scripts, run tests for you > regularly, run realistic load tests, and even send you screenshots of > what went wrong if tests fail. It's pretty neat and you can play with > it at modest levels at no charge. I should know a bit more by > whenever the talk rolls around! > > > -- > Andy Robinson > ReportLab > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at dave.gs Fri Oct 14 11:11:00 2011 From: dave at dave.gs (David Walker) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:11:00 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 from me too Thanks, Dave On 14 October 2011 09:56, tom christie wrote: > And another +1 from here - great plan! > > Cheers, > > Tom. > > > On 14 October 2011 09:16, Andy Robinson wrote: > >> We've been using Selenium for several years and have two fairly >> substantial test suites used for web applications, as well as Django's >> test client. I don't think we're doing anything particularly >> advanced, clever or 'Django-integrated', but we can certainly show >> some of this if needed and would be keen to compare notes on best >> practices, if the venue and dates work out. >> >> We've also just started to play with BrowserMob, which is a hosted >> testing service that can import selenium scripts, run tests for you >> regularly, run realistic load tests, and even send you screenshots of >> what went wrong if tests fail. It's pretty neat and you can play with >> it at modest levels at no charge. I should know a bit more by >> whenever the talk rolls around! >> >> >> -- >> Andy Robinson >> ReportLab >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gurgeh73 at free.fr Fri Oct 14 14:39:03 2011 From: gurgeh73 at free.fr (Richard Barran) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:39:03 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8243D8A3-B86B-4280-B41C-2908F24342BD@free.fr> +1 here as well. Something that's been for ever on my to-learn list, but never got round to it. Richard On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:56, tom christie wrote: > And another +1 from here - great plan! > > Cheers, > > Tom. > > On 14 October 2011 09:16, Andy Robinson wrote: > We've been using Selenium for several years and have two fairly > substantial test suites used for web applications, as well as Django's > test client. I don't think we're doing anything particularly > advanced, clever or 'Django-integrated', but we can certainly show > some of this if needed and would be keen to compare notes on best > practices, if the venue and dates work out. > > We've also just started to play with BrowserMob, which is a hosted > testing service that can import selenium scripts, run tests for you > regularly, run realistic load tests, and even send you screenshots of > what went wrong if tests fail. It's pretty neat and you can play with > it at modest levels at no charge. I should know a bit more by > whenever the talk rolls around! > > > -- > Andy Robinson > ReportLab > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.browne at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 15:06:05 2011 From: james.browne at gmail.com (James Browne) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:06:05 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 from me too. Would definitely attend. Thanks, James Browne On 13 October 2011 17:26, Harry Percival wrote: > Hi-ho python peeps, > > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven > Django development, with Selenium? > > I've been working on a tutorial on the topic (< > https://github.com/hjwp/Test-Driven-Django-Tutorial> *) . I'm not claiming > to be a massive expert, but it's what I've learned at work over the last > year or so, so it's fresh in my mind... I'm pretty sure I could get a couple > of (ex?) colleagues to help present... > > Would be aimed at beginners / people who don't know Selenium / people who > want to learn Django the "right" way / people who want to learn TDD... If > you already know Django and Selenium back to front, it would probably be of > less interest, although there may be some interesting discussions around > integrating the Django test runner, WebDriver vs Selenium-RC etc... > > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? London > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > > HP > > * work in progress! for example, the .jar file really isn't necessary... > > -- > ------------------------------ > Harry J.W. Percival > ------------------------------ > @hjwp > Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 > Skype: harry.percival > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.mulvany at mendeley.com Fri Oct 14 15:15:20 2011 From: ian.mulvany at mendeley.com (Ian Mulvany) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:15:20 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Mendeley offices for hosting upcoming python dojos Message-ID: Hi, I was at the dojo last week. I've just cleared with my CEO permission to host the dojo every other time (i.e. about every 8 weeks), with location and sponsorship for pizza and beers. What do I do next? - Ian -- Ian Mulvany | VP New Product Development http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/ian-mulvany/ http://www.mendeley.com/blog/jobs/ Mendeley Limited | London, UK | www.mendeley.com Registered in England and Wales | Company Number 6419015 From gabrielcnr at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 17:23:40 2011 From: gabrielcnr at gmail.com (Gabriel Reis) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:23:40 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 here! Gabriel Reis On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:06 PM, James Browne wrote: > +1 from me too. Would definitely attend. > > Thanks, > > James Browne > > On 13 October 2011 17:26, Harry Percival wrote: >> >> Hi-ho python peeps, >> >> Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven >> Django development, with Selenium? >> >> I've been working on a tutorial on the topic >> ( *) . I'm not claiming >> to be a massive expert, but it's what I've learned at work over the last >> year or so, so it's fresh in my mind... I'm pretty sure I could get a couple >> of (ex?) colleagues to help present... >> >> Would be aimed at beginners / people who don't know Selenium / people who >> want to learn Django the "right" way / people who want to learn TDD... If >> you already know Django and Selenium back to front, it would probably be of >> less interest, although there may be some interesting discussions around >> integrating the Django test runner, WebDriver vs Selenium-RC etc... >> >> So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?? London >> area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... >> >> HP >> >> * work in progress!? for example, the .jar file really isn't necessary... >> >> -- >> ------------------------------ >> Harry J.W. Percival >> ------------------------------ >> @hjwp >> Mobile:? +44 (0) 78877 02511 >> Skype:? ? ? ?? harry.percival >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > From qwertyface at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 14:02:10 2011 From: qwertyface at gmail.com (Peter Russell) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:02:10 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] West Yorkshire Python Group meeting in Leeds - Thursday from 6:30 Message-ID: =========================================================== West Yorkshire Python User Group Meeting - Thurs. 13 Oct. =========================================================== About the meeting ================= We'll be arriving at Old Broadcasting House from about 6:30 onwards for vaguely Python related chat. At 7:30 will be two talks, which are expected to last for about an hour. After that we will head to a pub for more geeky chat. It is likely we will try to go to the North bar to join the Ubuntu release party which is being held there. The meetings are always good fun, and everyone of any level of experience or interest in Python is extremely welcome. Bring a friend! Talk: "Testing in Python" - Peter Russell ----------------------------------------- Automated testing is now an important discipline in software development. In this talk Peter will be presenting some of his views on how to test code written in Python, the virtues (or otherwise) of test driven development as a methodology, and some of the tools available for testing. Experience Level: A basic level of Python knowledge would be helpful. Of Interest to: This talk will not be a "how to test" tutorial, rather a personal perspective on testing. As such it should be of interest to people who are experienced in unit, functional and integration testing as well as people who are new to automated testing. Talk: "Using the SciPy toolset for interactive analysis" - Tony Simpson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony will be talking about his use of IPython, SciPy and MatplotLib for interactive analysis of logfiles. These tools have been developed in the scientific community for analysing data and running computational simulations. It will be interesting to see how they can be applied to a different domain. Experience Level: This talk should be suitable for everyone. Of Interest To: This talk will be of particular interest to people who are interested in analysis and people who are interested in real world applications of Python. Date and Time ============= Thursday 13 October. From 6:30pm, talk at 7:30. Pub afterwards. Location ======== | Old Broadcasting House | 148 Woodhouse Lane | Leeds | LS2 9EN We will be holding the talks in the boardroom at the back of the ground floor of the building. If you arrive after 7:30 we may not hear the doorbell, so please phone Peter on 07763 570 860. About the Group =============== The West Yorkshire Python User Group (WYPy) have been meeting monthly since 2007. Our meetings are free, and usually include at least one talk, as well as a trip to the pub. Our website is at http://wypy.org.uk . We discuss our meetings on the Python Yorkshire and Humberside Google Group http://groups.google.com/group/python-yorks-humber/ and you can also follow us on Twitter at @WYPython. From jamestarin at 2degreesnetwork.com Fri Oct 14 10:14:55 2011 From: jamestarin at 2degreesnetwork.com (James Tarin) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 04:14:55 -0400 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Harry, There's a couple of people from our development team who would probably be interested in this, depending on date, location etc. Cheers, James ---------------------- James Tarin 2degrees Ltd. On 13 Oct 2011 17:31, "Harry Percival" > wrote: Hi-ho python peeps, Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven Django development, with Selenium? I've been working on a tutorial on the topic ( *) . I'm not claiming to be a massive expert, but it's what I've learned at work over the last year or so, so it's fresh in my mind... I'm pretty sure I could get a couple of (ex?) colleagues to help present... Would be aimed at beginners / people who don't know Selenium / people who want to learn Django the "right" way / people who want to learn TDD... If you already know Django and Selenium back to front, it would probably be of less interest, although there may be some interesting discussions around integrating the Django test runner, WebDriver vs Selenium-RC etc... So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? London area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... HP * work in progress! for example, the .jar file really isn't necessary... -- ------------------------------ Harry J.W. Percival ------------------------------ @hjwp Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 Skype: harry.percival _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list python-uk at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Oct 17 12:03:06 2011 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:03:06 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Mendeley offices for hosting upcoming python dojos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9BFD5A.7090402@ntoll.org> Hi Ian, Sorry for the tardiness in getting back to you. Sounds good and many many thanks for agreeing to host the dojo and provide pizza and beer. In terms of what do you do next; well, you should mark the next dojo in your diary! It will be on Thursday 3rd November (they're always on the first Thursday of every month) and we usually get between 25-33 Pythonistas turn up although we try to keep the numbers down. Food-wise, it equates to 12-14 largish pizzas (including about 4-5 veggie ones), 35 small bottles of beer and a couple of bottles of cola / fruit juice (if you imagine the feeding frenzy of seagulls behind a farmer ploughing his field then you won't be far off what that part of the dojo is like ;-). The food and drink starts at 6:30 with coding beginning at 7:15-7:30. If you provide bin liners the dojo attendees are pretty awesome at tidying up after themselves. Also, I assume there will be a projector and white-board..? It would probably be good if we could have the address of the place and a map so we can stick it on the Eventbrite page when we start to advertise. Either Bruce, Tim or Jonathan (one of these will be the cat-herder for the night) will be in touch to organise things further. All of us (me, Tom and the three mentioned above) subscribe to this list and are more than happy to answer any questions you might have. All the best, Nicholas. On 14/10/11 14:15, Ian Mulvany wrote: > Hi, > > I was at the dojo last week. I've just cleared with my CEO permission > to host the dojo every other time (i.e. about every 8 weeks), with > location and sponsorship for pizza and beers. > > What do I do next? > > - Ian > From jjl at pobox.com Fri Oct 21 02:55:47 2011 From: jjl at pobox.com (John J Lee) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:55:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [python-uk] Lightweight headless browsers (was Re: Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Andy Robinson wrote: > On 13 October 2011 17:26, Harry Percival wrote: >> Hi-ho python peeps, >> >> Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven >> Django development, with Selenium? >> >> So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?? London >> area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > > > This could be highly relevant for us and of my clients. Possibly 5 > people from us if the timing is right. Has anybody else experimented with PhantomJS yet? It's essentially QtWebKit plus a thin wrapper. Though it does still need an X server currently, that's easily met with xvfb-run. I've recently started using it, and it seems well suited to both TDD and functional testing. I like that when a test fails and I drop into PDB (leaving my web server test fixture -- which is relatively slow to set up and tear down -- running in a subprocess) I can run the entire browser set up, test execution and tear down in under 1 second. I also like the fact that there's a very convenient one-liner to dump a PDF "screenshot" of the rendered web page. With selenium, though you can leave the browser running, I always found it rather slow to develop tests and debug failing tests -- that hasn't beeen the case with PhantomJS so far, though it's early days still. I should note I am likely being unfair to selenium here because the tests I'm writing are relatively small compared to the selenium tests I worked on before. But not all that unfair, I think. I guess I should also state the obvious: selenium still has an important role because it supports multiple web browsers. I'd be interested to hear people's experience of zombie.js, envjs, and HtmlUnit for testing -- in particular, whether you've had to make any changes to your existing JavaScript code. Not having to do so is the most obvious draw of PhantomJS over those tools, but perhaps I'm being hard on them? I've been waiting for this kind of thing for about seven years (even started work on one myself back then), so it's great to see all these lightweight headless browsers appear. Anybody considered doing something like capybara in Python? It provides implementations of a common API for most of these systems (including PhantomJS, envjs and selenium I think). John From harry.percival at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:22:53 2011 From: harry.percival at gmail.com (Harry Percival) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:22:53 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, am keen to keep the ball rolling on this! About 20 people have expressed an interest. I don't think I'm going to try and co-opt the next "proper" dojo session of Nov 4th, but I'd like to do it soon - maybe a week or two after that. Here's a doodle - expression your timeslot preference! http://www.doodle.com/x5sw7xmcpb92pbia location: probably skillsmatter, so Clerkenwell/Farrringdon/Old st. cheers all! hp On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Gabriel Reis wrote: > +1 here! > > > Gabriel Reis > > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:06 PM, James Browne > wrote: > > +1 from me too. Would definitely attend. > > > > Thanks, > > > > James Browne > > > > On 13 October 2011 17:26, Harry Percival > wrote: > >> > >> Hi-ho python peeps, > >> > >> Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of > test-driven > >> Django development, with Selenium? > >> > >> I've been working on a tutorial on the topic > >> ( *) . I'm not > claiming > >> to be a massive expert, but it's what I've learned at work over the last > >> year or so, so it's fresh in my mind... I'm pretty sure I could get a > couple > >> of (ex?) colleagues to help present... > >> > >> Would be aimed at beginners / people who don't know Selenium / people > who > >> want to learn Django the "right" way / people who want to learn TDD... > If > >> you already know Django and Selenium back to front, it would probably be > of > >> less interest, although there may be some interesting discussions around > >> integrating the Django test runner, WebDriver vs Selenium-RC etc... > >> > >> So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested? > London > >> area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted... > >> > >> HP > >> > >> * work in progress! for example, the .jar file really isn't > necessary... > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------ > >> Harry J.W. Percival > >> ------------------------------ > >> @hjwp > >> Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 > >> Skype: harry.percival > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> python-uk mailing list > >> python-uk at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -- ------------------------------ Harry J.W. Percival ------------------------------ Twitter: @hjwp Mobile: +44 (0) 78877 02511 Skype: harry.percival -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk Sun Oct 23 19:04:38 2011 From: tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk (Tony Ibbs) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:04:38 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Next CamPUG meeting: Tue 1st November Message-ID: <559EAEFC-1219-4848-87D4-CA03179A4727@tibsnjoan.co.uk> From our google group: The next meeting should be a talks meeting, 7.30pm at RealVNC (http://tinyurl.com/realvncoffices). I didn't make proper notes, but I remember that Bryan Cole had hoped to be able to give a talk. Please feel free to volunteer via the list, or just turn up with a topic - it can be anywhere from a few minutes upwards in length. Meetings after that should be: * Tuesday 6th December, dojo/coding * Tuesday 10th January, talks again (note that this is the SECOND Tuesday) * Tuesday 7th February, dojo/coding There was a small agreement on going for the second Tuesday in January (since 3rd January is a bit close to the public holidays) at the last meeting, so there we are. Tibs From pythonsheffield at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 20:42:59 2011 From: pythonsheffield at gmail.com (Daley Chetwynd) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:42:59 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Next Python Sheffield Oct 25th Message-ID: Hi all, The next Python Sheffield meeting is being held in two days time on Tuesday October 25th at the GIST Lab. The meeting will run from 19:00 - 20:45, although doors will be open at the GIST Lab from 18:30. The GIST Lab is located opposite Sheffield train station and behind the Showroom cinema: http://thegisthub.net/groups/gistlab This month we're having a coding session on Python 2 to 3 conversion. We'll be working in groups and trying to convert Python libraries still only in Python 2 over to Python 3. If you'd like to join us for this event then please register for free at: http://pysheff1110.eventbrite.com/ We're always looking for future speakers, so if you'd like to talk on anything Python-related and fancy a trip to Sheffield, please get in touch. 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We'll brainstorm interesting problems during the pizza and beers, and then break into groups to work on solving the most popular one. At the end of the evening each group does a "show and tell", followed by drinks in the pub. We're looking to start the evening with two or three lightning talks. I'll talk for a few minutes about concurrency problems in Django models, and how to solve them using optimistic locking. If YOU have a topic you'd like to present to the group for a few minutes, let us know, either on the python-uk list, or using the contact details on the event page linked above. Looking forward, see you all there! Jonathan -- Jonathan Hartley tartley at tartley.com http://tartley.com Made of meat. +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley From richardlewis at fastmail.co.uk Mon Oct 31 11:51:37 2011 From: richardlewis at fastmail.co.uk (Richard Lewis) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:51:37 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] OT: Richard Stallman in South East London Message-ID: <87lis14eo6.wl%richard.lewis@gold.ac.uk> Hi there, This is not on-topic Python, but is free software related. We're hosting Richard Stallman in London at Goldsmiths' College this week; details below. You're warmly invited to book a place. Best, Richard -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis ISMS, Computing Goldsmiths, University of London Tel: +44 (0)20 7078 5134 Skype: richardjlewis JID: ironchicken at jabber.earth.li http://www.richardlewis.me.uk/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Centre for Creative and Social Technology (CAST) at Goldsmiths' College, University of London is pleased to announce its first public lecture this term, given by free software pioneer Richard Stallman. Date: Thursday 3 November 2011 Time: 18:00-20:00 Place: Ian Gulland Lecture Theatre, Whitehead Building, Goldsmiths' College Travel: New Cross Gate (Zone 2; Southern, 5min from London Bridge; London Overground) New Cross (Zone 2; Southeastern, 20min from Charing Cross; London Overground) Title: It's Free Software and it Gives you Freedom http://castlondon.com/events/stallman.html Stallman is the founder of the Free Software movement, the GNU project, the Free Software Foundation, and the League for Programming Freedom. He also invented the concept of copyleft to protect the ideals of this movement, and enshrined this concept in the widely used GPL (General Public Licence) for software. He is the author of 'Free as in Freedom' and will be signing copies of his book and meeting attendees at the end of the lecture. Email cast at gold.ac.uk to book a place. From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Oct 31 12:35:05 2011 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:35:05 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] OT: Richard Stallman in South East London In-Reply-To: <87lis14eo6.wl%richard.lewis@gold.ac.uk> References: <87lis14eo6.wl%richard.lewis@gold.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4EAE87E9.708@ntoll.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey Richard, On 31/10/11 10:51, Richard Lewis wrote: > Hi there, > > This is not on-topic Python, but is free software related. We're > hosting Richard Stallman in London at Goldsmiths' College this > week; details below. You're warmly invited to book a place. > > Best, Richard I hope you have a parrot :-) viz: https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/pipermail/developers-public/2011-October/007647.html Best of luck! N. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOrofpAAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6NDYIAJZvBGDBAJd4ev4G1sa+K68o +0Xwa1WpQz0hW1vcpd8ijRlTdGTRxKwCeyG41QMR3gj1KglwW0YxR7Inzq7CnT3o C2dda5ZQPCk19DnJ/3IPDrie5mL9co9ypl5lhayUakMWmMKbPT2CU6HxTlj5BalA QndoutxhNLo+GlUqJZCYUMOERmjz+EUoUFYYXo+5twj1UuJ87HMi3qwO363XfICG fIXVG8jq2ZcAGmu4JpUSQj9nOf2FHT5TEqzqs2IhNjt2TlisIK1o/xP+DyaekT2y lp7ni5mLFDvG68oaz4/n55wHxsQQL++bKG3d6HLjymurtjMLr1FdseT6qvKzy5o= =rDrd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aleksander.sumowski at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 11:11:39 2011 From: aleksander.sumowski at gmail.com (Aleksander Sumowski) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:11:39 -0000 Subject: [python-uk] IronPython talk next week Message-ID: Hi everyone! This will be a shameless plug, but I hope it'll be interest to you. I'll be giving a talk about IronPython - Python implementation running on top of Microsoft and Mono virtual machines - next tuesday in Skills Matter. It'll be more geared towards .NET developers as it is part of the London NET User Group, but should be interesting to you if you want to know how Python fits into another platform. Here is a link to the talk on the Skillsmatter page: http://skillsmatter.com/event/open-source-dot-net/ironpython I look forward to seeing you on the talk and on the beers afterwards :) Aleksander Sumowski -- http://about.me/asumowski