From carles at pina.cat Sun Aug 1 20:30:36 2010 From: carles at pina.cat (Carles Pina i Estany) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:30:36 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Code Dojo Message-ID: <20100801183036.GB24869@pina.cat> Hello, On May and June we said that on August we will not have the monthly Dojo. I didn't go on July Dojo. Here: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ZTdydWJpbWdjcHViNDhwY3JscmZ2ZWhldnNAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ It appears that on this week we will have a Dojo. Is the calendar correct? Cheers, -- Carles Pina i Estany http://pinux.info From john.chandler.lists at googlemail.com Sun Aug 1 21:43:08 2010 From: john.chandler.lists at googlemail.com (John Chandler) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:43:08 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Code Dojo In-Reply-To: <20100801183036.GB24869@pina.cat> References: <20100801183036.GB24869@pina.cat> Message-ID: <5187970B-472F-4B18-8C3D-5C7927A6518C@googlemail.com> > It appears that on this week we will have a Dojo. > > Is the calendar correct? Nope, not correct - was probably set like that at the beginning of the year and not changed. The next dojo will be September as we opted for a break this month. John From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Aug 2 09:17:32 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:17:32 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Code Dojo In-Reply-To: <20100801183036.GB24869@pina.cat> References: <20100801183036.GB24869@pina.cat> Message-ID: Hi Carles,, Oops, that was completely my fault. I should have deleted the August date - as John said, August is "holiday" month. The next dojo will be on 2nd September (the first anniversary) - details for which will be forthcoming soon. See you there, Nicholas. On 1 Aug 2010, at 19:30, Carles Pina i Estany wrote: > > Hello, > > On May and June we said that on August we will not have the monthly > Dojo. I didn't go on July Dojo. > > Here: > http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ZTdydWJpbWdjcHViNDhwY3JscmZ2ZWhldnNAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ > > It appears that on this week we will have a Dojo. > > Is the calendar correct? > > Cheers, > > -- > Carles Pina i Estany > http://pinux.info > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Aug 2 10:16:52 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:16:52 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination Message-ID: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Folks, During Europython a group of us who organise various Python related user groups within the UK went for a drink. Here's what we talked about: * We should organise an IRC chat sometime in August to coordinate ourselves. * Since we're spread rather thin on the ground it'd be good to coordinate a central "Python-UK" page for user groups / events that could contain a google-calendar, tweet-stream and links etc... (KISS) * We might be able to support the costs of running the site by having a very simple job-board for UK related Python jobs (er... 37signals ask for $400 for 30 days of advert for Ruby jobs - someone asked me to find out the figures) * It'd be great if there were more coordination between groups so they might be able to swap speakers, cooperate at events or organise activities together. * Some sort of python-hacker-barn-weekend event sounds cool. * The PSF might be persuaded to contribute some money for stuff. * We should try to make better use of the python-uk mailing list (hence this message) :-) We all handed over our email addresses and a Doodle (http://www.doodle.com/) for the first IRC meeting was created. Just to keep momentum going, I personally think it'd be interesting to hear what the wider UK-Python community thinks about this and it also gives us an opportunity to make sure we haven't missed anyone who might be interested in joining in. Also, this email nudges things along so we don't end up as a beery conference plan rather than something we actually act upon! :-) All the best, Nicholas. From ian at ianozsvald.com Mon Aug 2 10:22:19 2010 From: ian at ianozsvald.com (Ian Ozsvald) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:22:19 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active Message-ID: Down in Brighton we've recently had two Python meets: http://brightonpy.org/archive/ Are there any London meets? I'd be happy to wander up and meet some Python folk and/or bring my robot head for a demo (http://blog.aicookbook.com/2010/06/building-a-face-tracking-robot-headroid1-with-python-in-an-afternoon/). Cheers, Ian. -- Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) ian at IanOzsvald.com http://IanOzsvald.com http://MorConsulting.com/ http://blog.AICookbook.com/ http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com http://FivePoundApp.com/ http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Aug 2 10:33:05 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:33:05 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Hi Ian, There are four London Python meets that I know of: * Pyssup - organised by Andy Kilner, a social "drinks" evening for Python devs. * DJUGL - Django User Group London - organised by Gareth Rushgrove, does exactly what it says on the tin * City/Python/Financial User Group - organised by ???, not sure if they still meet but targets Python devs working in the City in the financial sector * London Python Code Dojo - coordinated by me but sort of spontaneously organises itself. The next meeting is 2nd September and I'll post details to this list. I'm pretty certain we'd love to see your talking head..! Hope this helps, Nicholas. On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:22, Ian Ozsvald wrote: > Down in Brighton we've recently had two Python meets: > http://brightonpy.org/archive/ > > Are there any London meets? I'd be happy to wander up and meet some > Python folk and/or bring my robot head for a demo > (http://blog.aicookbook.com/2010/06/building-a-face-tracking-robot-headroid1-with-python-in-an-afternoon/). > > Cheers, > Ian. > > -- > Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) > ian at IanOzsvald.com > > http://IanOzsvald.com > http://MorConsulting.com/ > http://blog.AICookbook.com/ > http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com > http://FivePoundApp.com/ > http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From richard.house at i-logue.com Mon Aug 2 10:55:27 2010 From: richard.house at i-logue.com (Richard House) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:55:27 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <0B9A8978-26A9-4EC3-8C40-06EA95A3C60F@gmail.com> Nicholas, The London Financial Python User Group is active and organised by Didrik Pinte (copied). It has a LinkedIn group. Regards, Richard On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:33, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Hi Ian, > > There are four London Python meets that I know of: > > * Pyssup - organised by Andy Kilner, a social "drinks" evening for Python devs. > * DJUGL - Django User Group London - organised by Gareth Rushgrove, does exactly what it says on the tin > * City/Python/Financial User Group - organised by ???, not sure if they still meet but targets Python devs working in the City in the financial sector > * London Python Code Dojo - coordinated by me but sort of spontaneously organises itself. The next meeting is 2nd September and I'll post details to this list. I'm pretty certain we'd love to see your talking head..! > > Hope this helps, > > Nicholas. > > On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:22, Ian Ozsvald wrote: > >> Down in Brighton we've recently had two Python meets: >> http://brightonpy.org/archive/ >> >> Are there any London meets? I'd be happy to wander up and meet some >> Python folk and/or bring my robot head for a demo >> (http://blog.aicookbook.com/2010/06/building-a-face-tracking-robot-headroid1-with-python-in-an-afternoon/). >> >> Cheers, >> Ian. >> >> -- >> Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) >> ian at IanOzsvald.com >> >> http://IanOzsvald.com >> http://MorConsulting.com/ >> http://blog.AICookbook.com/ >> http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com >> http://FivePoundApp.com/ >> http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From rmhouse at rmhouse.plus.com Mon Aug 2 11:42:32 2010 From: rmhouse at rmhouse.plus.com (rmhouse at rmhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:42:32 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Hi Nicholas, The London Financial Python User Group is active and organised by Didrik Pinte (copied). It has a LinkedIn group. (http://www.linkedin.com/groups?mostPopular=&gid=2428849) Regards, Richard > Hi Ian, > > There are four London Python meets that I know of: > > * Pyssup - organised by Andy Kilner, a social "drinks" evening for Python > devs. > * DJUGL - Django User Group London - organised by Gareth Rushgrove, does > exactly what it says on the tin > * City/Python/Financial User Group - organised by ???, not sure if they > still meet but targets Python devs working in the City in the financial > sector > * London Python Code Dojo - coordinated by me but sort of spontaneously > organises itself. The next meeting is 2nd September and I'll post details > to this list. I'm pretty certain we'd love to see your talking head..! > > Hope this helps, > > Nicholas. > > On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:22, Ian Ozsvald wrote: > >> Down in Brighton we've recently had two Python meets: >> http://brightonpy.org/archive/ >> >> Are there any London meets? I'd be happy to wander up and meet some >> Python folk and/or bring my robot head for a demo >> (http://blog.aicookbook.com/2010/06/building-a-face-tracking-robot-headroid1-with-python-in-an-afternoon/). >> >> Cheers, >> Ian. >> >> -- >> Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) >> ian at IanOzsvald.com >> >> http://IanOzsvald.com >> http://MorConsulting.com/ >> http://blog.AICookbook.com/ >> http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com >> http://FivePoundApp.com/ >> http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From mail at timgolden.me.uk Mon Aug 2 14:21:12 2010 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:21:12 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <4C56B838.2040008@timgolden.me.uk> On 02/08/2010 09:16, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > During Europython a group of us who organise various Python related user groups within the UK went for a drink. Here's what we talked about: > > * We should organise an IRC chat sometime in August to coordinate ourselves. > * Since we're spread rather thin on the ground it'd be good to coordinate a central "Python-UK" page for user groups / events that could contain a google-calendar, tweet-stream and links etc... (KISS) > * We might be able to support the costs of running the site by having a very simple job-board for UK related Python jobs (er... 37signals ask for $400 for 30 days of advert for Ruby jobs - someone asked me to find out the figures) > * It'd be great if there were more coordination between groups so they might be able to swap speakers, cooperate at events or organise activities together. > * Some sort of python-hacker-barn-weekend event sounds cool. > * The PSF might be persuaded to contribute some money for stuff. > * We should try to make better use of the python-uk mailing list (hence this message) :-) I'm all for it. At the very least we could create a page on the Python Wiki. (I'm not a great fan of Wikis, but it is there...). There's also Planet London Python -- http://londonpython.org.uk/ -- which I *think* Simon Brunning has the keys to. Don't know if he still watches this list so I'm copying him on this email. Don't know exactly what would work in practice, but it'll do no harm to try for a bit of uk-centric cooperation and see what comes of it. TJG From rob_cowie at me.com Mon Aug 2 14:43:46 2010 From: rob_cowie at me.com (Rob Cowie) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:43:46 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <3030E2B0-CFB2-4804-A877-449D2ACBE0C6@me.com> On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:16, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Folks, > > During Europython a group of us who organise various Python related user groups within the UK went for a drink. Here's what we talked about: > > * We should organise an IRC chat sometime in August to coordinate ourselves. > * Since we're spread rather thin on the ground it'd be good to coordinate a central "Python-UK" page for user groups / events that could contain a google-calendar, tweet-stream and links etc... (KISS) > * We might be able to support the costs of running the site by having a very simple job-board for UK related Python jobs (er... 37signals ask for $400 for 30 days of advert for Ruby jobs - someone asked me to find out the figures) > * It'd be great if there were more coordination between groups so they might be able to swap speakers, cooperate at events or organise activities together. > * Some sort of python-hacker-barn-weekend event sounds cool. > * The PSF might be persuaded to contribute some money for stuff. > * We should try to make better use of the python-uk mailing list (hence this message) :-) Sounds like a cracking idea. I've just moved from London to Leeds and although there are plenty of geekery-related events and meet ups, there isn't a python users group. I refuse to believe I'm the only one here so I'm going to try to make something happen. A place for UK-centric discussion, advertising of meetings etc. would be very useful. Rob Cowie > > We all handed over our email addresses and a Doodle (http://www.doodle.com/) for the first IRC meeting was created. > > Just to keep momentum going, I personally think it'd be interesting to hear what the wider UK-Python community thinks about this and it also gives us an opportunity to make sure we haven't missed anyone who might be interested in joining in. > > Also, this email nudges things along so we don't end up as a beery conference plan rather than something we actually act upon! :-) > > All the best, > > Nicholas. > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From mail at timgolden.me.uk Mon Aug 2 14:54:34 2010 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:54:34 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <3030E2B0-CFB2-4804-A877-449D2ACBE0C6@me.com> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <3030E2B0-CFB2-4804-A877-449D2ACBE0C6@me.com> Message-ID: <4C56C00A.7060804@timgolden.me.uk> On 02/08/2010 13:43, Rob Cowie wrote: > > On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:16, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> During Europython a group of us who organise various Python related user groups within the UK went for a drink. Here's what we talked about: > Sounds like a cracking idea. I've just moved from London to Leeds and although there are plenty of geekery-related events and meet ups, there isn't a python users group. I refuse to believe I'm the only one here There was someone at EuroPython from (I think) the University of Leeds where they teach Python. I'll try to get hold of the name if I can... TJG From theology at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 15:02:15 2010 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:02:15 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <3030E2B0-CFB2-4804-A877-449D2ACBE0C6@me.com> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <3030E2B0-CFB2-4804-A877-449D2ACBE0C6@me.com> Message-ID: On 2 August 2010 13:43, Rob Cowie wrote: > Sounds like a cracking idea. I've just moved from London to Leeds and although there are plenty of geekery-related events and meet ups, there isn't a python users group. Oh yes there is: http://ypy.org.uk/ Next meeting is at Old BBC Broadcasting House, Woodhouse Lane, Leeds, LS2 9EN On the 12 August, 19:30 ? 21:30 From rob_cowie at me.com Mon Aug 2 15:07:18 2010 From: rob_cowie at me.com (Rob Cowie) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:07:18 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <3030E2B0-CFB2-4804-A877-449D2ACBE0C6@me.com> Message-ID: On 2 Aug 2010, at 14:02, Zeth wrote: > On 2 August 2010 13:43, Rob Cowie wrote: >> Sounds like a cracking idea. I've just moved from London to Leeds and although there are plenty of geekery-related events and meet ups, there isn't a python users group. > > Oh yes there is: > http://ypy.org.uk/ Whhhaaaa? 6 months I've been here, at least 6 geekups, 1 ruby users group and 2 open coffee mornings at OBH and I'd never heard of this. Don't know if I should laugh or cry ;) Thanks for the heads up. I'll be there. Rob C > > Next meeting is at Old BBC Broadcasting House, Woodhouse Lane, Leeds, LS2 9EN > On the 12 August, 19:30 ? 21:30 > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From tb at entropy.me.uk Mon Aug 2 15:33:20 2010 From: tb at entropy.me.uk (Timothy Baldock) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:33:20 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <4C56C920.4070405@entropy.me.uk> Hello all, I wasn't able to make EuroPython this year, but this idea sounds like a good one and I'd like to get involved. :) Thanks, Timothy On 02/08/2010 09:16, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Folks, > > During Europython a group of us who organise various Python related user groups within the UK went for a drink. Here's what we talked about: > > * We should organise an IRC chat sometime in August to coordinate ourselves. > * Since we're spread rather thin on the ground it'd be good to coordinate a central "Python-UK" page for user groups / events that could contain a google-calendar, tweet-stream and links etc... (KISS) > * We might be able to support the costs of running the site by having a very simple job-board for UK related Python jobs (er... 37signals ask for $400 for 30 days of advert for Ruby jobs - someone asked me to find out the figures) > * It'd be great if there were more coordination between groups so they might be able to swap speakers, cooperate at events or organise activities together. > * Some sort of python-hacker-barn-weekend event sounds cool. > * The PSF might be persuaded to contribute some money for stuff. > * We should try to make better use of the python-uk mailing list (hence this message) :-) > > We all handed over our email addresses and a Doodle (http://www.doodle.com/) for the first IRC meeting was created. > > Just to keep momentum going, I personally think it'd be interesting to hear what the wider UK-Python community thinks about this and it also gives us an opportunity to make sure we haven't missed anyone who might be interested in joining in. > > Also, this email nudges things along so we don't end up as a beery conference plan rather than something we actually act upon! :-) > > All the best, > > Nicholas. > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From rlotun at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 16:23:58 2010 From: rlotun at gmail.com (Reza Lotun) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:23:58 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Hi All, On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > * Since we're spread rather thin on the ground it'd be good to coordinate a central "Python-UK" page for user groups / events that could contain a google-calendar, tweet-stream and links etc... (KISS) > * We might be able to support the costs of running the site by having a very simple job-board for UK related Python jobs (er... 37signals ask for $400 for 30 days of advert for Ruby jobs - someone asked me to find out the figures) > * It'd be great if there were more coordination between groups so they might be able to swap speakers, cooperate at events or organise activities together. This sounds like a great idea. A suggestion though - since we're all Python hackers, why not create a hosted website on AppEngine? Presumably there should be no cost to operate it, considering the amount of traffic it'll get. Also, we can host the code on github or something and use it as an example of a Python-on-AppEngine app. Two birds with one stone! Cheers, Reza -- Reza Lotun mobile: +44 (0)7521 310 763 email:? rlotun at gmail.com work:?? reza at tweetdeck.com twitter: @rlotun From theology at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 16:27:20 2010 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:27:20 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: On 2 August 2010 15:23, Reza Lotun wrote: > This sounds like a great idea. A suggestion though - since we're all > Python hackers, why not create a hosted website on AppEngine? We have already started a pinax based site for it. We have hosting. From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Aug 2 16:44:33 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:44:33 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol' Python (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to understand). GitHub / BitBucket is a great idea too. Seriously, all we need to start with right now is: 1) A shared Google Calendar that is readable by *everyone* and writable by PUG organisers (that identify themselves here on this mailing list) 2) A Twitter list of Python-UK people 3) A web-page with both these embedded on them. I *would* volunteer to create these right now but I'm up to my eyes in code and it's my wedding anniversary today so this evening is out. Also, perhaps we could decide on the date of an IRC meeting / open up the doodle so people on this list can say when they're available..? Coordination and community collaboration is the way to go before actually doing anything (IMHO) ;-) Nicholas. On 2 Aug 2010, at 15:27, Zeth wrote: > On 2 August 2010 15:23, Reza Lotun wrote: >> This sounds like a great idea. A suggestion though - since we're all >> Python hackers, why not create a hosted website on AppEngine? > > We have already started a pinax based site for it. We have hosting. > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From theology at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 16:58:24 2010 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:58:24 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: On 2 August 2010 15:44, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol' Python (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to understand). We have done the Django-fu, that is not a problem. For people who want to be involved, let me know and I will add you to the doodle list. From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Aug 2 17:07:51 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:07:51 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <40CC6496-0675-4C28-8B5D-3B99C7A9C6C6@ntoll.org> Hehehe... I didn't mean the Django-fu needed doing, rather using Pinax adds a barrier for contributions from non-Djangonauts... (as oppose to plain-ol' Python which is what appengine is IIRC). Just sayin' :-) On 2 Aug 2010, at 15:58, Zeth wrote: > On 2 August 2010 15:44, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: >> Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol' Python (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to understand). > > We have done the Django-fu, that is not a problem. For people who want > to be involved, let me know and I will add you to the doodle list. > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk Mon Aug 2 17:19:33 2010 From: walter.stafford at carbonsixty.co.uk (Ed Stafford) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:19:33 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <40CC6496-0675-4C28-8B5D-3B99C7A9C6C6@ntoll.org> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <40CC6496-0675-4C28-8B5D-3B99C7A9C6C6@ntoll.org> Message-ID: I say we ease the discussion and just write it in Perl. While not everyone will know Django it is fairly simple to get your head around. Beyond that the time to release should be minimal with something like Pinax, which I'm guessing would give us ~80% of our core functionality for a site like this. I'd say let's just get something done soon. I'm happy to help in any way I can (lots of free time). Cheers, -Ed On 2 August 2010 16:07, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Hehehe... I didn't mean the Django-fu needed doing, rather using Pinax adds > a barrier for contributions from non-Djangonauts... (as oppose to plain-ol' > Python which is what appengine is IIRC). Just sayin' :-) > > On 2 Aug 2010, at 15:58, Zeth wrote: > > > On 2 August 2010 15:44, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > >> Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol' > Python (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to > understand). > > > > We have done the Django-fu, that is not a problem. For people who want > > to be involved, let me know and I will add you to the doodle list. > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From funthyme at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 18:33:27 2010 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:33:27 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <3030E2B0-CFB2-4804-A877-449D2ACBE0C6@me.com> Message-ID: On 2 August 2010 14:07, Rob Cowie wrote: > > On 2 Aug 2010, at 14:02, Zeth wrote: > >> On 2 August 2010 13:43, Rob Cowie wrote: >>> Sounds like a cracking idea. I've just moved from London to Leeds and although there are plenty of geekery-related events and meet ups, there isn't a python users group. >> >> Oh yes there is: >> http://ypy.org.uk/ > > Whhhaaaa? 6 months I've been here, at least 6 geekups, 1 ruby users group and 2 open coffee mornings at OBH and I'd never heard of this. Don't know if I should laugh or cry ;) Thanks for the heads up. I'll be there. Rule 1 for the Python world - look at python.org first. ypy is listed there quite clearly. (via community, Local User Groups). Best wishes, John -- From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Mon Aug 2 18:42:32 2010 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:42:32 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> On 02/08/2010 15:44, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol' Python (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to understand). > > GitHub / BitBucket is a great idea too. > > Seriously, all we need to start with right now is: > > 1) A shared Google Calendar that is readable by *everyone* and writable by PUG organisers (that identify themselves here on this mailing list) > 2) A Twitter list of Python-UK people > 3) A web-page with both these embedded on them. > > This sounds great. > I *would* volunteer to create these right now but I'm up to my eyes in code and it's my wedding anniversary today so this evening is out. Also, perhaps we could decide on the date of an IRC meeting / open up the doodle so people on this list can say when they're available..? Coordination and community collaboration is the way to go before actually doing anything (IMHO) ;-) > > Some kind of organisation - like deciding who will maintain the calendar and twitter lists. To be honest a Pinax site seems like overkill, but if people with spare energy are *volunteering* to do the work then that is great. Michael > Nicholas. > > On 2 Aug 2010, at 15:27, Zeth wrote: > > >> On 2 August 2010 15:23, Reza Lotun wrote: >> >>> This sounds like a great idea. A suggestion though - since we're all >>> Python hackers, why not create a hosted website on AppEngine? >>> >> We have already started a pinax based site for it. We have hosting. >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ http://www.voidspace.org.uk/blog READ CAREFULLY. By accepting and reading this email you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies (?BOGUS AGREEMENTS?) that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer. From funthyme at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 18:47:48 2010 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:47:48 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Hi, On 2 August 2010 15:58, Zeth wrote: > On 2 August 2010 15:44, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: >> Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol' Python (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to understand). The whole point of this type of system is that the user shouldn't have to know about the internals, otherwise it has failed. So pinax is Python/Django, we should be using a Python-based system, and we can improve anything we don't like as well, and improve a Python product for the rest of the world. Although as an old codger I'm a dedicated fan of static HTML sites, I'd rather use the pinax than anything to do with the No 2 'evil empire'. > We have done the Django-fu, that is not a problem. For people who want > to be involved, let me know and I will add you to the doodle list. What is this doodle? Nicholas' link just goes to doodle.com, not a specific doodle. Please send the details. Best wishes, John -- From funthyme at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 19:05:25 2010 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:05:25 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: HI, On 2 August 2010 17:42, Michael Foord wrote: > On 02/08/2010 15:44, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: >> >> Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol' >> Python (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to >> understand). >> >> GitHub / BitBucket is a great idea too. >> >> Seriously, all we need to start with right now is: >> >> 1) A shared Google Calendar that is readable by *everyone* and writable by >> PUG organisers (that identify themselves here on this mailing list) >> 2) A Twitter list of Python-UK people >> 3) A web-page with both these embedded on them. >> >> > > This sounds great. > >> I *would* volunteer to create these right now but I'm up to my eyes in >> code and it's my wedding anniversary today so this evening is out. Also, >> perhaps we could decide on the date of an IRC meeting / open up the doodle >> so people on this list can say when they're available..? Coordination and >> community collaboration is the way to go before actually doing anything >> (IMHO) ;-) >> >> > > Some kind of organisation - like deciding who will maintain the calendar and > twitter lists. > > To be honest a Pinax site seems like overkill, but if people with spare > energy are *volunteering* to do the work then that is great. Although I am inclined to agree, and fancied a wiki for PyWm, the fact is that work has been done already, by Zeth and Steve Hawkes, so let's use it. Best wishes, John -- (Still recovering from EuroPython). From ed.hartley at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 21:15:37 2010 From: ed.hartley at gmail.com (Edward Hartley) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:15:37 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:16, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Folks, > > During Europython a group of us who organise various Python related user groups within the UK went for a drink. Here's what we talked about: > Hi, I'm all for this the main reason I turned from Python to iOS was the apparent impossibility of sustained UK contract or other freelance employment in the UK. Mind you iOS is equally interesting Best of Luck Ed > > Nicholas. > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Tue Aug 3 13:27:30 2010 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:27:30 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <4C57FD22.2010004@voidspace.org.uk> On 02/08/2010 09:16, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Folks, > > During Europython a group of us who organise various Python related user groups within the UK went for a drink. Here's what we talked about: > > * We should organise an IRC chat sometime in August to coordinate ourselves. > * Since we're spread rather thin on the ground it'd be good to coordinate a central "Python-UK" page for user groups / events that could contain a google-calendar, tweet-stream and links etc... (KISS) > * We might be able to support the costs of running the site by having a very simple job-board for UK related Python jobs (er... 37signals ask for $400 for 30 days of advert for Ruby jobs - someone asked me to find out the figures) > The Python jobs board has this market pretty much sewn up. Unless (and until) we get a *huge* amount of traffic I don't think it is worth even considering. > * It'd be great if there were more coordination between groups so they might be able to swap speakers, cooperate at events or organise activities together. > * Some sort of python-hacker-barn-weekend event sounds cool. > Event and speaker coordination sounds great - more complex than just a wiki, a calendar and some doodles. A fantastic long term goal though. > * The PSF might be persuaded to contribute some money for stuff. > Almost certainly. All the best, Michael > * We should try to make better use of the python-uk mailing list (hence this message) :-) > > We all handed over our email addresses and a Doodle (http://www.doodle.com/) for the first IRC meeting was created. > > Just to keep momentum going, I personally think it'd be interesting to hear what the wider UK-Python community thinks about this and it also gives us an opportunity to make sure we haven't missed anyone who might be interested in joining in. > > Also, this email nudges things along so we don't end up as a beery conference plan rather than something we actually act upon! :-) > > All the best, > > Nicholas. > -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ http://www.voidspace.org.uk/blog READ CAREFULLY. By accepting and reading this email you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies (?BOGUS AGREEMENTS?) that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer. From ian at ianozsvald.com Tue Aug 3 18:55:02 2010 From: ian at ianozsvald.com (Ian Ozsvald) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:55:02 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the link, I'm already following the group in LinkedIn. IIRC I missed the last event as it didn't get a lot of notice (but I might've just missed it...) and there's no upcoming event as yet. I'll try to make it up as finance is pretty close to my science/'big hard numbers' interest. Cheers, Ian. On 2 August 2010 10:42, wrote: > Hi Nicholas, > The London Financial Python User Group is active and organised by Didrik > Pinte (copied). It has a LinkedIn group. > (http://www.linkedin.com/groups?mostPopular=&gid=2428849) > Regards, > Richard > > > >> Hi Ian, >> >> There are four London Python meets that I know of: >> >> * Pyssup - organised by Andy Kilner, a social "drinks" evening for Python >> devs. >> * DJUGL - Django User Group London - organised by Gareth Rushgrove, does >> exactly what it says on the tin >> * City/Python/Financial User Group - organised by ???, not sure if they >> still meet but targets Python devs working in the City in the financial >> sector >> * London Python Code Dojo - coordinated by me but sort of spontaneously >> organises itself. The next meeting is 2nd September and I'll post details >> to this list. I'm pretty certain we'd love to see your talking head..! >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Nicholas. >> >> On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:22, Ian Ozsvald wrote: >> >>> Down in Brighton we've recently had two Python meets: >>> http://brightonpy.org/archive/ >>> >>> Are there any London meets? ?I'd be happy to wander up and meet some >>> Python folk and/or bring my robot head for a demo >>> (http://blog.aicookbook.com/2010/06/building-a-face-tracking-robot-headroid1-with-python-in-an-afternoon/). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ian. >>> >>> -- >>> Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) >>> ian at IanOzsvald.com >>> >>> http://IanOzsvald.com >>> http://MorConsulting.com/ >>> http://blog.AICookbook.com/ >>> http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com >>> http://FivePoundApp.com/ >>> http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald >>> _______________________________________________ >>> python-uk mailing list >>> python-uk at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -- Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) ian at IanOzsvald.com http://IanOzsvald.com http://MorConsulting.com/ http://blog.AICookbook.com/ http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com http://FivePoundApp.com/ http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald From ian at ianozsvald.com Tue Aug 3 19:00:35 2010 From: ian at ianozsvald.com (Ian Ozsvald) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:00:35 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Hi NIcholas, thanks for the reply (and private copy of the Dojo presentation). I've tweeted at @gnublade (we met at a PyCon a couple of years back), it looks like Pyssup has been quiet for a couple of months, maybe there will be another meet. I'm less interested in the web-dev stuff (but it is good to know there's a whole group for it!). Re. the Dojo could be cool, I haven't done one of those before. Is there a twitter account/mailing list so I can keep track of upcoming events? Cheers, Ian. On 2 August 2010 09:33, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Hi Ian, > > There are four London Python meets that I know of: > > * Pyssup - organised by Andy Kilner, a social "drinks" evening for Python devs. > * DJUGL - Django User Group London - organised by Gareth Rushgrove, does exactly what it says on the tin > * City/Python/Financial User Group - organised by ???, not sure if they still meet but targets Python devs working in the City in the financial sector > * London Python Code Dojo - coordinated by me but sort of spontaneously organises itself. The next meeting is 2nd September and I'll post details to this list. I'm pretty certain we'd love to see your talking head..! > > Hope this helps, > > Nicholas. > > On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:22, Ian Ozsvald wrote: > >> Down in Brighton we've recently had two Python meets: >> http://brightonpy.org/archive/ >> >> Are there any London meets? ?I'd be happy to wander up and meet some >> Python folk and/or bring my robot head for a demo >> (http://blog.aicookbook.com/2010/06/building-a-face-tracking-robot-headroid1-with-python-in-an-afternoon/). >> >> Cheers, >> Ian. >> >> -- >> Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) >> ian at IanOzsvald.com >> >> http://IanOzsvald.com >> http://MorConsulting.com/ >> http://blog.AICookbook.com/ >> http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com >> http://FivePoundApp.com/ >> http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -- Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) ian at IanOzsvald.com http://IanOzsvald.com http://MorConsulting.com/ http://blog.AICookbook.com/ http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com http://FivePoundApp.com/ http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald From bld at otfrom.com Tue Aug 3 21:48:31 2010 From: bld at otfrom.com (Bruce Durling) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:48:31 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Ian, On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 18:00, Ian Ozsvald wrote: > I'm less interested in the web-dev stuff (but it is good to know > there's a whole group for it!). Re. the Dojo could be cool, I haven't > done one of those before. Is there a twitter account/mailing list so I > can keep track of upcoming events? Nicholas usually tweets about the dojos on @ntoll and announces them here on python-uk. The next one is at the beginning of September. cheers, Bruce From ntoll at ntoll.org Wed Aug 4 09:48:33 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:48:33 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: Folks, So the number of emails on this list over the past couple of days indicates there is a lot of interest in coordinating UK PUGs. So we don't lose momentum, lets agree to do *something* about it. I realise there is a doodle somewhere to organise an IRC meeting - like I think I mentioned, it's "private". Is there any way to make it public to allow others on this list to indicate availability? So far the most promising dates are 17th and 19th August since they're when everyone (so far) can make it. Perhaps we can agree to make the IRC meeting on one of those two dates? Also, I must've misunderstood Zeth (apologies) - I thought you *were* going to do a Pinax site, but if I understand John correctly work is already done. Any chance of getting it online as an "alpha"..? ;-) Comments, ideas, suggestions most welcome! Nicholas. On 2 Aug 2010, at 18:05, John Pinner wrote: > HI, > > On 2 August 2010 17:42, Michael Foord wrote: >> On 02/08/2010 15:44, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: >>> >>> Hmmm... I like the app-engine idea since it is v.simple and plain ol' >>> Python (rather than a complex project like Pinax that requires Django-fu to >>> understand). >>> >>> GitHub / BitBucket is a great idea too. >>> >>> Seriously, all we need to start with right now is: >>> >>> 1) A shared Google Calendar that is readable by *everyone* and writable by >>> PUG organisers (that identify themselves here on this mailing list) >>> 2) A Twitter list of Python-UK people >>> 3) A web-page with both these embedded on them. >>> >>> >> >> This sounds great. >> >>> I *would* volunteer to create these right now but I'm up to my eyes in >>> code and it's my wedding anniversary today so this evening is out. Also, >>> perhaps we could decide on the date of an IRC meeting / open up the doodle >>> so people on this list can say when they're available..? Coordination and >>> community collaboration is the way to go before actually doing anything >>> (IMHO) ;-) >>> >>> >> >> Some kind of organisation - like deciding who will maintain the calendar and >> twitter lists. >> >> To be honest a Pinax site seems like overkill, but if people with spare >> energy are *volunteering* to do the work then that is great. > > Although I am inclined to agree, and fancied a wiki for PyWm, the fact > is that work has been done already, by Zeth and Steve Hawkes, so let's > use it. > > Best wishes, > > John > -- > (Still recovering from EuroPython). > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From ntoll at ntoll.org Wed Aug 4 10:09:29 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:09:29 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Hi Ian, I usually post details on this mailing list a couple of weeks before the next dojo. The pattern is that they take place on the first Thursday of every month (except August). You need to sign-up at an EventBrite site (only so we know how much pizza/beer to get in for the social thing at the start). Nevertheless, given the interest in a co-ordinated UK-Python website I'd love to be able to add information and dates on there. So, for the time being just monitor this list. We try to make the dojo technical, educational, hands-on and fun. Perhaps see you at the next one..? ;-) Nicholas. On 3 Aug 2010, at 18:00, Ian Ozsvald wrote: > Hi NIcholas, thanks for the reply (and private copy of the Dojo presentation). > > I've tweeted at @gnublade (we met at a PyCon a couple of years back), > it looks like Pyssup has been quiet for a couple of months, maybe > there will be another meet. > > I'm less interested in the web-dev stuff (but it is good to know > there's a whole group for it!). Re. the Dojo could be cool, I haven't > done one of those before. Is there a twitter account/mailing list so I > can keep track of upcoming events? > > Cheers, > Ian. > > On 2 August 2010 09:33, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: >> Hi Ian, >> >> There are four London Python meets that I know of: >> >> * Pyssup - organised by Andy Kilner, a social "drinks" evening for Python devs. >> * DJUGL - Django User Group London - organised by Gareth Rushgrove, does exactly what it says on the tin >> * City/Python/Financial User Group - organised by ???, not sure if they still meet but targets Python devs working in the City in the financial sector >> * London Python Code Dojo - coordinated by me but sort of spontaneously organises itself. The next meeting is 2nd September and I'll post details to this list. I'm pretty certain we'd love to see your talking head..! >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Nicholas. >> >> On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:22, Ian Ozsvald wrote: >> >>> Down in Brighton we've recently had two Python meets: >>> http://brightonpy.org/archive/ >>> >>> Are there any London meets? I'd be happy to wander up and meet some >>> Python folk and/or bring my robot head for a demo >>> (http://blog.aicookbook.com/2010/06/building-a-face-tracking-robot-headroid1-with-python-in-an-afternoon/). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ian. >>> >>> -- >>> Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) >>> ian at IanOzsvald.com >>> >>> http://IanOzsvald.com >>> http://MorConsulting.com/ >>> http://blog.AICookbook.com/ >>> http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com >>> http://FivePoundApp.com/ >>> http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald >>> _______________________________________________ >>> python-uk mailing list >>> python-uk at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > > > > -- > Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) > ian at IanOzsvald.com > > http://IanOzsvald.com > http://MorConsulting.com/ > http://blog.AICookbook.com/ > http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com > http://FivePoundApp.com/ > http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From theology at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 13:27:15 2010 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:27:15 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello everyone, Originally I was starting with just the people that turned up to the local user group SIG at EuroPython. However, since Nicholas has outed us, here is an outline of where we are. Basically, we are talking among people who want to be actually be an organiser of a local Python User Group (PUG). I organised a slot in the EuroPython programme which was attended by people from around the world, not just the UK. Everyone talked about their group or their wish for a group and we all shared what we had been trying to do. Afterwards a group of UK people moved to the weatherspoons. I was going to feedback the main points at the closing ceremony but there was confusion with the lightning talks organiser who overran by an hour and 20 mins and so the closing ceremony went a bit mental. The lightning talks were very good though! Python local user groups in the UK -------------------------------------------- The 2006 idea was to make 11 UK PUGs - at least one for each English region plus Wales and Scotland. (Northern Ireland is both part of Python Ireland and the PyConUK so we would let those in Northern Ireland work out how they want to do it). As things get more successful, each of the 11 group can have branches or more local meetings, so for example. We start with: Cambridge and East Anglia Python User Group Then the first branch might meet in Cambridge and another might start up in Norwich. Various branches could grow up and die off with the 12 group middle layer staying alive. Different branches could have different levels of organisation. Cambridge might have a fully fledged technical meet, while in Lowestoft they might just have a beer and an ice-cream together on the pier (are there any Python Programmers in Lowestoft?). At the 2010 SIG, people seemed to agree that this was still a good idea. Talk Swaps -------------- One idea from the SIG meeting was to prepare a new talk for your own PUG, then give that talk at other PUGs. This could help seed new PUGs, and help keep existing ones going. We tried to work out the practicality of that. We talked about how to reduce the costs before we incur them. We can feed speakers ourselves. If the trip requires staying overnight, we can sleep in each other's houses. However, travel by second class train or coach could still be ?50 or more. Most PUGs would not hold any money as a deliberate way to avoid creating a bureaucratic overhead to running the group. So we thought about asking the PSF, or the EuroPython Society, or the proposed new European PSF branch, to handle the expenses for us. If we raise any money ourselves we could pay it upstream to cover these costs. One suggestion was to have a jobs board to cover these costs. Discussion has already started on this thread about that. Where Nicholas wrote "We might be able to support the costs of running the site", the speaker swaps are the only thing that we have suggested to do that could cost money. The site itself does not cost us any money at the moment, since Clocksoft generously allow us to put the site on one of their servers. If anyone has any other ideas for how to cover these traveling expenses, please do share them. Local User Group SIG IRC Meeting - 19th August at 7.30pm ---------------------------------------------- This is the first time I have used doodle, so I am not an expert. But I think I have to myself add email addresses to it, I can't seem to find an option for making it completely open. If someone can tell me how, that would be helpful for next time. Anyway this time, lets forget adding more people to doodle and just go for 19th August at 7.30pm (as long as it does not clash with a local Python group!). The meeting will last approx 1 hour and I will circulate an agenda nearer the time. The meeting is for people who are involved in helping to organise a local user group or want to be. After that meeting, if we want we can use ways to discuss among ourselves without making too much noise on python-uk (e.g. people that run Linux groups use the lugmasters list to cut down on noise for people that don't care and just find those discussions annoying). However, this email list is pretty low-traffic anyway, so we can use it until other subscribers on this list rise up and tell us off for making too much noise. Website ---------- I want to get beyond talking about websites since there is a lot more important things to running a local user group than the website, but here is an outline of what we are up to. I did the first version of python.me.uk during PyConUK 2007 and many people gave lots of different ideas, all useful and positive, although obviously in different directions. While some people say, 'just use a mailing list' or 'just use meetup' or 'just use X', I decided that this was not a good approach. As well as being fragmentary, as proved by Rob Cowie's posts in this thread, he did not know the magic solution (dig through the wiki) for finding the right site. When you talk about people who may be new to Python (as well as perhaps new to open source software projects like Python altogether), then requiring people to use certain systems acts as a barrier. For example. while old Unix-fans like myself love mailing lists, many people who started using computers in the 2000s find them obscure and confusing (look how many Linux user group mailing lists have a recurring thread about top-posting vs bottom posting). During EuroPython 2010, a couple of us did some work coding a new version of python.me.uk based on the ideas I have been given. This is in process and we hope to have things ready for the IRC meeting. Pinax is a content management system (based on Django) that is already aimed at social groups such as a local Python group, so the features we want are already there: profiles, calendar, photos, tribes, locations and so on. The Pinax site is up and functioning to some extent but still needs a little templating work before we launch it. If anyone wants to help, we need more graphics and CSS work rather than Python coding now. Basically, each local group (in internal Pinax terms 'a tribe') can have their own theme (colours, mascot etc), and subdomain, for example: http://wm.python.me.uk/ However, behind the scenes it all goes into one integrated calender and so on. If someone moves to another part of the country, they do not need to make a new login, they just change a few checkboxes which user groups (tribes) they are subscribed to. Also behind the scenes we can do a lot of automated updates to social networking sites etc, so when an event is added it updates twitter, facebook and so on. We can also do mailing list munging so that old Unix fans can ignore there is a website at all and just access the whole system via a mailing list. Each group's admin does not need to know Django, they just login to the website and use the web based admin. Groups can start up, grow and die off, and it will all be tracked on the site. I don't really care if you hate Django/Pinax and want me to use Turbogears or a wiki or some proprietary cloud. Pinax is off the shelf and easy to use and we have the people to do it. Getting stuck on arguing over the website is a dead end. Lets use our efforts to get the groups up and running. Anyway, I hope the meeting time of 19th August at 7.30pm suits everyone. If you cannot make it please send your thoughts to this thread or if you want to give your thoughts in private then send it to me. Best Wishes, Zeth From mail at timgolden.me.uk Wed Aug 4 13:31:38 2010 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:31:38 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <4C594F9A.70301@timgolden.me.uk> Deliberate top-post just to say: Thanks TJG On 04/08/2010 12:27, Zeth wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Originally I was starting with just the people that turned up to the > local user group SIG at EuroPython. However, since Nicholas has outed > us, here is an outline of where we are. Basically, we are talking > among people who want to be actually be an organiser of a local Python > User Group (PUG). > > I organised a slot in the EuroPython programme which was attended by > people from around the world, not just the UK. Everyone talked about > their group or their wish for a group and we all shared what we had > been trying to do. Afterwards a group of UK people moved to the > weatherspoons. I was going to feedback the main points at the closing > ceremony but there was confusion with the lightning talks organiser > who overran by an hour and 20 mins and so the closing ceremony went a > bit mental. The lightning talks were very good though! > > Python local user groups in the UK > -------------------------------------------- > > The 2006 idea was to make 11 UK PUGs - at least one for each English > region plus Wales and Scotland. (Northern Ireland is both part of > Python Ireland and the PyConUK so we would let those in Northern > Ireland work out how they want to do it). > > As things get more successful, each of the 11 group can have branches > or more local meetings, so for example. We start with: > > Cambridge and East Anglia Python User Group > > Then the first branch might meet in Cambridge and another might start > up in Norwich. Various branches could grow up and die off with the 12 > group middle layer staying alive. Different branches could have > different levels of organisation. Cambridge might have a fully fledged > technical meet, while in Lowestoft they might just have a beer and an > ice-cream together on the pier (are there any Python Programmers in > Lowestoft?). > > At the 2010 SIG, people seemed to agree that this was still a good idea. > > Talk Swaps > -------------- > > One idea from the SIG meeting was to prepare a new talk for your own > PUG, then give that talk at other PUGs. This could help seed new PUGs, > and help keep existing ones going. We tried to work out the > practicality of that. > > We talked about how to reduce the costs before we incur them. We can > feed speakers ourselves. If the trip requires staying overnight, we > can sleep in each other's houses. However, travel by second class > train or coach could still be ?50 or more. > > Most PUGs would not hold any money as a deliberate way to avoid > creating a bureaucratic overhead to running the group. So we thought > about asking the PSF, or the EuroPython Society, or the proposed new > European PSF branch, to handle the expenses for us. If we raise any > money ourselves we could pay it upstream to cover these costs. > > One suggestion was to have a jobs board to cover these costs. > Discussion has already started on this thread about that. Where > Nicholas wrote "We might be able to support the costs of running the > site", the speaker swaps are the only thing that we have suggested to > do that could cost money. The site itself does not cost us any money > at the moment, since Clocksoft generously allow us to put the site on > one of their servers. > > If anyone has any other ideas for how to cover these traveling > expenses, please do share them. > > Local User Group SIG IRC Meeting - 19th August at 7.30pm > ---------------------------------------------- > > This is the first time I have used doodle, so I am not an expert. But > I think I have to myself add email addresses to it, I can't seem to > find an option for making it completely open. If someone can tell me > how, that would be helpful for next time. > > Anyway this time, lets forget adding more people to doodle and just go > for 19th August at 7.30pm (as long as it does not clash with a local > Python group!). The meeting will last approx 1 hour and I will > circulate an agenda nearer the time. > > The meeting is for people who are involved in helping to organise a > local user group or want to be. > > After that meeting, if we want we can use ways to discuss among > ourselves without making too much noise on python-uk (e.g. people that > run Linux groups use the lugmasters list to cut down on noise for > people that don't care and just find those discussions annoying). > However, this email list is pretty low-traffic anyway, so we can use > it until other subscribers on this list rise up and tell us off for > making too much noise. > > Website > ---------- > > I want to get beyond talking about websites since there is a lot more > important things to running a local user group than the website, but > here is an outline of what we are up to. > > I did the first version of python.me.uk during PyConUK 2007 and many > people gave lots of different ideas, all useful and positive, although > obviously in different directions. > > While some people say, 'just use a mailing list' or 'just use meetup' > or 'just use X', I decided that this was not a good approach. As well > as being fragmentary, as proved by Rob Cowie's posts in this thread, > he did not know the magic solution (dig through the wiki) for finding > the right site. When you talk about people who may be new to Python > (as well as perhaps new to open source software projects like Python > altogether), then requiring people to use certain systems acts as a > barrier. > > For example. while old Unix-fans like myself love mailing lists, many > people who started using computers in the 2000s find them obscure and > confusing (look how many Linux user group mailing lists have a > recurring thread about top-posting vs bottom posting). > > During EuroPython 2010, a couple of us did some work coding a new > version of python.me.uk based on the ideas I have been given. This is > in process and we hope to have things ready for the IRC meeting. > > Pinax is a content management system (based on Django) that is already > aimed at social groups such as a local Python group, so the features > we want are already there: profiles, calendar, photos, tribes, > locations and so on. > > The Pinax site is up and functioning to some extent but still needs a > little templating work before we launch it. If anyone wants to help, > we need more graphics and CSS work rather than Python coding now. > > Basically, each local group (in internal Pinax terms 'a tribe') can > have their own theme (colours, mascot etc), and subdomain, for > example: > > http://wm.python.me.uk/ > > However, behind the scenes it all goes into one integrated calender > and so on. If someone moves to another part of the country, they do > not need to make a new login, they just change a few checkboxes which > user groups (tribes) they are subscribed to. > > Also behind the scenes we can do a lot of automated updates to social > networking sites etc, so when an event is added it updates twitter, > facebook and so on. We can also do mailing list munging so that old > Unix fans can ignore there is a website at all and just access the > whole system via a mailing list. > > Each group's admin does not need to know Django, they just login to > the website and use the web based admin. Groups can start up, grow and > die off, and it will all be tracked on the site. > > I don't really care if you hate Django/Pinax and want me to use > Turbogears or a wiki or some proprietary cloud. Pinax is off the shelf > and easy to use and we have the people to do it. Getting stuck on > arguing over the website is a dead end. Lets use our efforts to get > the groups up and running. > > Anyway, I hope the meeting time of 19th August at 7.30pm suits > everyone. If you cannot make it please send your thoughts to this > thread or if you want to give your thoughts in private then send it to > me. > > Best Wishes, > Zeth > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From ntoll at ntoll.org Wed Aug 4 13:41:46 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:41:46 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <1280922106.2074.1.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> I'm with Tim: +1 many thanks to Zeth for this (and apologies for outing us ;-) Nicholas. On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 12:27 +0100, Zeth wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Originally I was starting with just the people that turned up to the > local user group SIG at EuroPython. However, since Nicholas has outed > us, here is an outline of where we are. Basically, we are talking > among people who want to be actually be an organiser of a local Python > User Group (PUG). > > I organised a slot in the EuroPython programme which was attended by > people from around the world, not just the UK. Everyone talked about > their group or their wish for a group and we all shared what we had > been trying to do. Afterwards a group of UK people moved to the > weatherspoons. I was going to feedback the main points at the closing > ceremony but there was confusion with the lightning talks organiser > who overran by an hour and 20 mins and so the closing ceremony went a > bit mental. The lightning talks were very good though! > > Python local user groups in the UK > -------------------------------------------- > > The 2006 idea was to make 11 UK PUGs - at least one for each English > region plus Wales and Scotland. (Northern Ireland is both part of > Python Ireland and the PyConUK so we would let those in Northern > Ireland work out how they want to do it). > > As things get more successful, each of the 11 group can have branches > or more local meetings, so for example. We start with: > > Cambridge and East Anglia Python User Group > > Then the first branch might meet in Cambridge and another might start > up in Norwich. Various branches could grow up and die off with the 12 > group middle layer staying alive. Different branches could have > different levels of organisation. Cambridge might have a fully fledged > technical meet, while in Lowestoft they might just have a beer and an > ice-cream together on the pier (are there any Python Programmers in > Lowestoft?). > > At the 2010 SIG, people seemed to agree that this was still a good idea. > > Talk Swaps > -------------- > > One idea from the SIG meeting was to prepare a new talk for your own > PUG, then give that talk at other PUGs. This could help seed new PUGs, > and help keep existing ones going. We tried to work out the > practicality of that. > > We talked about how to reduce the costs before we incur them. We can > feed speakers ourselves. If the trip requires staying overnight, we > can sleep in each other's houses. However, travel by second class > train or coach could still be ?50 or more. > > Most PUGs would not hold any money as a deliberate way to avoid > creating a bureaucratic overhead to running the group. So we thought > about asking the PSF, or the EuroPython Society, or the proposed new > European PSF branch, to handle the expenses for us. If we raise any > money ourselves we could pay it upstream to cover these costs. > > One suggestion was to have a jobs board to cover these costs. > Discussion has already started on this thread about that. Where > Nicholas wrote "We might be able to support the costs of running the > site", the speaker swaps are the only thing that we have suggested to > do that could cost money. The site itself does not cost us any money > at the moment, since Clocksoft generously allow us to put the site on > one of their servers. > > If anyone has any other ideas for how to cover these traveling > expenses, please do share them. > > Local User Group SIG IRC Meeting - 19th August at 7.30pm > ---------------------------------------------- > > This is the first time I have used doodle, so I am not an expert. But > I think I have to myself add email addresses to it, I can't seem to > find an option for making it completely open. If someone can tell me > how, that would be helpful for next time. > > Anyway this time, lets forget adding more people to doodle and just go > for 19th August at 7.30pm (as long as it does not clash with a local > Python group!). The meeting will last approx 1 hour and I will > circulate an agenda nearer the time. > > The meeting is for people who are involved in helping to organise a > local user group or want to be. > > After that meeting, if we want we can use ways to discuss among > ourselves without making too much noise on python-uk (e.g. people that > run Linux groups use the lugmasters list to cut down on noise for > people that don't care and just find those discussions annoying). > However, this email list is pretty low-traffic anyway, so we can use > it until other subscribers on this list rise up and tell us off for > making too much noise. > > Website > ---------- > > I want to get beyond talking about websites since there is a lot more > important things to running a local user group than the website, but > here is an outline of what we are up to. > > I did the first version of python.me.uk during PyConUK 2007 and many > people gave lots of different ideas, all useful and positive, although > obviously in different directions. > > While some people say, 'just use a mailing list' or 'just use meetup' > or 'just use X', I decided that this was not a good approach. As well > as being fragmentary, as proved by Rob Cowie's posts in this thread, > he did not know the magic solution (dig through the wiki) for finding > the right site. When you talk about people who may be new to Python > (as well as perhaps new to open source software projects like Python > altogether), then requiring people to use certain systems acts as a > barrier. > > For example. while old Unix-fans like myself love mailing lists, many > people who started using computers in the 2000s find them obscure and > confusing (look how many Linux user group mailing lists have a > recurring thread about top-posting vs bottom posting). > > During EuroPython 2010, a couple of us did some work coding a new > version of python.me.uk based on the ideas I have been given. This is > in process and we hope to have things ready for the IRC meeting. > > Pinax is a content management system (based on Django) that is already > aimed at social groups such as a local Python group, so the features > we want are already there: profiles, calendar, photos, tribes, > locations and so on. > > The Pinax site is up and functioning to some extent but still needs a > little templating work before we launch it. If anyone wants to help, > we need more graphics and CSS work rather than Python coding now. > > Basically, each local group (in internal Pinax terms 'a tribe') can > have their own theme (colours, mascot etc), and subdomain, for > example: > > http://wm.python.me.uk/ > > However, behind the scenes it all goes into one integrated calender > and so on. If someone moves to another part of the country, they do > not need to make a new login, they just change a few checkboxes which > user groups (tribes) they are subscribed to. > > Also behind the scenes we can do a lot of automated updates to social > networking sites etc, so when an event is added it updates twitter, > facebook and so on. We can also do mailing list munging so that old > Unix fans can ignore there is a website at all and just access the > whole system via a mailing list. > > Each group's admin does not need to know Django, they just login to > the website and use the web based admin. Groups can start up, grow and > die off, and it will all be tracked on the site. > > I don't really care if you hate Django/Pinax and want me to use > Turbogears or a wiki or some proprietary cloud. Pinax is off the shelf > and easy to use and we have the people to do it. Getting stuck on > arguing over the website is a dead end. Lets use our efforts to get > the groups up and running. > > Anyway, I hope the meeting time of 19th August at 7.30pm suits > everyone. If you cannot make it please send your thoughts to this > thread or if you want to give your thoughts in private then send it to > me. > > Best Wishes, > Zeth > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From mail at timgolden.me.uk Wed Aug 4 15:08:20 2010 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:08:20 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> <1280922106.2074.1.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> Message-ID: <4C596644.8040909@timgolden.me.uk> On 04/08/2010 14:05, Zeth wrote: > On 4 August 2010 12:41, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: >> I'm with Tim: +1 many thanks to Zeth for this (and apologies for outing >> us ;-) > > No problem, shall we do the 17th instead then? Unless I missed it, you didn't actually give an IRC channel. TJG From ntoll at ntoll.org Wed Aug 4 15:08:35 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:08:35 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> <1280922106.2074.1.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> Message-ID: <1280927315.2074.4.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> I must admit, the 17th is more convenient for me... :-) On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:05 +0100, Zeth wrote: > On 4 August 2010 12:41, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > > I'm with Tim: +1 many thanks to Zeth for this (and apologies for outing > > us ;-) > > No problem, shall we do the 17th instead then? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gnublade at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 14:17:02 2010 From: gnublade at gmail.com (Andy Kilner) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:17:02 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: The plan is for a Pyssup on the 18th, Pub TBD (and approved by Bruce). Come along, the more the merrier, especially anyone with good stories from europython! Will announce it officially next week. Andy On 4 August 2010 09:09, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Hi Ian, > > I usually post details on this mailing list a couple of weeks before the next dojo. The pattern is that they take place on the first Thursday of every month (except August). You need to sign-up at an EventBrite site (only so we know how much pizza/beer to get in for the social thing at the start). Nevertheless, given the interest in a co-ordinated UK-Python website I'd love to be able to add information and dates on there. So, for the time being just monitor this list. > > We try to make the dojo technical, educational, hands-on and fun. Perhaps see you at the next one..? ;-) > > Nicholas. > > On 3 Aug 2010, at 18:00, Ian Ozsvald wrote: > >> Hi NIcholas, thanks for the reply (and private copy of the Dojo presentation). >> >> I've tweeted at @gnublade (we met at a PyCon a couple of years back), >> it looks like Pyssup has been quiet for a couple of months, maybe >> there will be another meet. >> >> I'm less interested in the web-dev stuff (but it is good to know >> there's a whole group for it!). Re. the Dojo could be cool, I haven't >> done one of those before. Is there a twitter account/mailing list so I >> can keep track of upcoming events? >> >> Cheers, >> Ian. >> >> On 2 August 2010 09:33, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: >>> Hi Ian, >>> >>> There are four London Python meets that I know of: >>> >>> * Pyssup - organised by Andy Kilner, a social "drinks" evening for Python devs. >>> * DJUGL - Django User Group London - organised by Gareth Rushgrove, does exactly what it says on the tin >>> * City/Python/Financial User Group - organised by ???, not sure if they still meet but targets Python devs working in the City in the financial sector >>> * London Python Code Dojo - coordinated by me but sort of spontaneously organises itself. The next meeting is 2nd September and I'll post details to this list. I'm pretty certain we'd love to see your talking head..! >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Nicholas. >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:22, Ian Ozsvald wrote: >>> >>>> Down in Brighton we've recently had two Python meets: >>>> http://brightonpy.org/archive/ >>>> >>>> Are there any London meets? ?I'd be happy to wander up and meet some >>>> Python folk and/or bring my robot head for a demo >>>> (http://blog.aicookbook.com/2010/06/building-a-face-tracking-robot-headroid1-with-python-in-an-afternoon/). >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ian. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) >>>> ian at IanOzsvald.com >>>> >>>> http://IanOzsvald.com >>>> http://MorConsulting.com/ >>>> http://blog.AICookbook.com/ >>>> http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com >>>> http://FivePoundApp.com/ >>>> http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> python-uk mailing list >>>> python-uk at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> python-uk mailing list >>> python-uk at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) >> ian at IanOzsvald.com >> >> http://IanOzsvald.com >> http://MorConsulting.com/ >> http://blog.AICookbook.com/ >> http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com >> http://FivePoundApp.com/ >> http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From theology at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 15:37:35 2010 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:37:35 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <4C596644.8040909@timgolden.me.uk> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> <1280922106.2074.1.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> <4C596644.8040909@timgolden.me.uk> Message-ID: On 4 August 2010 14:08, Tim Golden wrote: > On 04/08/2010 14:05, Zeth wrote: >> >> On 4 August 2010 12:41, Nicholas Tollervey ?wrote: >>> >>> I'm with Tim: +1 many thanks to Zeth for this (and apologies for outing >>> us ;-) >> >> No problem, shall we do the 17th instead then? > > Unless I missed it, you didn't actually give an IRC channel. You are right as always Tim, and the email saying that someone couldn't do the 19th I somehow missed from the thread. We can hijack europython @ irc.freenode.net I have gone against my own argument by using a medium that people may not understand, so here is the explanation: IRC stands for internet relay chat. It is a text-based real time protocol from the 1980s and 1990s, and still popular today. You need an IRC client. For any platform: if you have Firefox you can use Chatzilla https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16/ If you have never used IRC before, it would be good to test your client beforehand, then if you have problems, you can email this list and we can try to help you. If you are using Linux, then you probably already have a client, such as Empathy or Pidgin. Try typing empathy into a terminal. I use irssi which is a terminal based client. There are dozens of free clients available for any type of computing device. You could even roll your own thing using twisted: http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/8.2.0/api/twisted.words.protocols.irc.IRCClient.html Best Wishes, Zeth From theology at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 15:43:36 2010 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:43:36 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> <1280922106.2074.1.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> <4C596644.8040909@timgolden.me.uk> Message-ID: On 4 August 2010 14:37:34 UTC+1, Zeth wrote: > We can hijack europython @ irc.freenode.net > > I have gone against my own argument by using a medium that people may not understand, so here is the explanation: > > IRC stands for internet relay chat. It is a text-based real time protocol from the 1980s and 1990s, and still popular today. You need an IRC client. > > For any platform: if you have Firefox you can use Chatzilla https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16/ > > If you have never used IRC before, it would be good to test your client beforehand, then if you have problems, you can email this list and we can try to help you. This tutorial is very helpful also: http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/intro For our chat meeting, the network is freenode (one of the pre-included networks) and the channel is #europython From theology at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 15:45:35 2010 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:45:35 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> <1280922106.2074.1.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> <4C596644.8040909@timgolden.me.uk> Message-ID: On 4 August 2010 14:43:36 UTC+1, Zeth wrote: > This tutorial is very helpful also: > > http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/intro > > For our chat meeting, the network is freenode (one of the pre-included networks) and the channel is #europython Even cooler, if you have Chatzilla and some web based email, you should be able to just click on the following link: irc://irc.freenode.org/europython From mail at timgolden.me.uk Wed Aug 4 15:49:06 2010 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:49:06 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> <1280922106.2074.1.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> <4C596644.8040909@timgolden.me.uk> Message-ID: <4C596FD2.7020603@timgolden.me.uk> On 04/08/2010 14:37, Zeth wrote: > We can hijack europython @ irc.freenode.net > > I have gone against my own argument by using a medium that people may > not understand, so here is the explanation: > > IRC stands for internet relay chat. It is a text-based real time > protocol from the 1980s and 1990s, and still popular today. You need > an IRC client. I usually use freenode's own web-based client at: http://webchat.freenode.net which is very usable for everyday IRC use. No need to install any clients or plugins. I haven't tried doing any of the fancier stuff in it, but frankly I've never felt the need. TJG From ian at ianozsvald.com Wed Aug 4 17:57:50 2010 From: ian at ianozsvald.com (Ian Ozsvald) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:57:50 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: As in two weeks time (August)? If so, it is in my diary, shall watch here for details. Re. Coding Dojo - September (with robot in tow) is quite possible, could be fun, haven't participated in one before. As/when I see events I'll relay them to the relevant folk down here too. i. On 4 August 2010 13:17, Andy Kilner wrote: > The plan is for a Pyssup on the 18th, Pub TBD (and approved by Bruce). > > Come along, the more the merrier, especially anyone with good stories > from europython! > > Will announce it officially next week. > > Andy > > On 4 August 2010 09:09, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: >> Hi Ian, >> >> I usually post details on this mailing list a couple of weeks before the next dojo. The pattern is that they take place on the first Thursday of every month (except August). You need to sign-up at an EventBrite site (only so we know how much pizza/beer to get in for the social thing at the start). Nevertheless, given the interest in a co-ordinated UK-Python website I'd love to be able to add information and dates on there. So, for the time being just monitor this list. >> >> We try to make the dojo technical, educational, hands-on and fun. Perhaps see you at the next one..? ;-) >> >> Nicholas. >> >> On 3 Aug 2010, at 18:00, Ian Ozsvald wrote: >> >>> Hi NIcholas, thanks for the reply (and private copy of the Dojo presentation). >>> >>> I've tweeted at @gnublade (we met at a PyCon a couple of years back), >>> it looks like Pyssup has been quiet for a couple of months, maybe >>> there will be another meet. >>> >>> I'm less interested in the web-dev stuff (but it is good to know >>> there's a whole group for it!). Re. the Dojo could be cool, I haven't >>> done one of those before. Is there a twitter account/mailing list so I >>> can keep track of upcoming events? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ian. >>> >>> On 2 August 2010 09:33, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: >>>> Hi Ian, >>>> >>>> There are four London Python meets that I know of: >>>> >>>> * Pyssup - organised by Andy Kilner, a social "drinks" evening for Python devs. >>>> * DJUGL - Django User Group London - organised by Gareth Rushgrove, does exactly what it says on the tin >>>> * City/Python/Financial User Group - organised by ???, not sure if they still meet but targets Python devs working in the City in the financial sector >>>> * London Python Code Dojo - coordinated by me but sort of spontaneously organises itself. The next meeting is 2nd September and I'll post details to this list. I'm pretty certain we'd love to see your talking head..! >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> Nicholas. >>>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:22, Ian Ozsvald wrote: >>>> >>>>> Down in Brighton we've recently had two Python meets: >>>>> http://brightonpy.org/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> Are there any London meets? ?I'd be happy to wander up and meet some >>>>> Python folk and/or bring my robot head for a demo >>>>> (http://blog.aicookbook.com/2010/06/building-a-face-tracking-robot-headroid1-with-python-in-an-afternoon/). >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ian. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) >>>>> ian at IanOzsvald.com >>>>> >>>>> http://IanOzsvald.com >>>>> http://MorConsulting.com/ >>>>> http://blog.AICookbook.com/ >>>>> http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com >>>>> http://FivePoundApp.com/ >>>>> http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> python-uk mailing list >>>>> python-uk at python.org >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> python-uk mailing list >>>> python-uk at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) >>> ian at IanOzsvald.com >>> >>> http://IanOzsvald.com >>> http://MorConsulting.com/ >>> http://blog.AICookbook.com/ >>> http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com >>> http://FivePoundApp.com/ >>> http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald >>> _______________________________________________ >>> python-uk mailing list >>> python-uk at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> python-uk mailing list >> python-uk at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> > -- Ian Ozsvald (A.I. researcher, screencaster) ian at IanOzsvald.com http://IanOzsvald.com http://MorConsulting.com/ http://blog.AICookbook.com/ http://TheScreencastingHandbook.com http://FivePoundApp.com/ http://twitter.com/IanOzsvald From bld at otfrom.com Wed Aug 4 22:21:12 2010 From: bld at otfrom.com (Bruce Durling) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:21:12 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Andy, On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 13:17, Andy Kilner wrote: > The plan is for a Pyssup on the 18th, Pub TBD (and approved by Bruce). You know I'm always happy with a pub near a tube station and real ale. ;-) (cheeky man) cheers, Bruce From carles at pina.cat Wed Aug 4 23:10:02 2010 From: carles at pina.cat (Carles Pina i Estany) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:10:02 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100804211002.GA10920@pina.cat> Hello, On Aug/04/2010, Zeth wrote: > One suggestion was to have a jobs board to cover these costs. > Discussion has already started on this thread about that. Where > Nicholas wrote "We might be able to support the costs of running the > site", the speaker swaps are the only thing that we have suggested to > do that could cost money. The site itself does not cost us any money > at the moment, since Clocksoft generously allow us to put the site on > one of their servers. > > If anyone has any other ideas for how to cover these traveling > expenses, please do share them. Python (Uk) T-Shirts. I would buy one (and probably more than one for some friends, friends ordering from me, etc.). To sell more: we could advertise in other PUGs from other places, but then we need to send the T-Shirts. We could use http://www.cafepress.com/ , but I have never used it, either to buy or sell. This are my 2 cents. Cheers, -- Carles Pina i Estany http://pinux.info From gnublade at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 12:35:29 2010 From: gnublade at gmail.com (Andy Kilner) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:35:29 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Python? Brighton is active In-Reply-To: References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> Message-ID: heh, actually I was more after a suggestion. We haven't been to the porter house in a while, how about there? On 4 August 2010 21:21, Bruce Durling wrote: > Andy, > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 13:17, Andy Kilner wrote: >> The plan is for a Pyssup on the 18th, Pub TBD (and approved by Bruce). > > You know I'm always happy with a pub near a tube station and real ale. ;-) > > (cheeky man) > > cheers, > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From kevin.p.dwyer at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 12:08:13 2010 From: kevin.p.dwyer at gmail.com (Kev Dwyer) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:08:13 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python UK user groups / website / coordination In-Reply-To: <20100804211002.GA10920@pina.cat> References: <4700ECB5-85F3-4475-8DB1-AA206B3E66E8@ntoll.org> <4C56F578.1090400@voidspace.org.uk> <20100804211002.GA10920@pina.cat> Message-ID: On 4 August 2010 22:10, Carles Pina i Estany wrote: > > Hello, > > On Aug/04/2010, Zeth wrote: > > > One suggestion was to have a jobs board to cover these costs. > > Discussion has already started on this thread about that. Where > > Nicholas wrote "We might be able to support the costs of running the > > site", the speaker swaps are the only thing that we have suggested to > > do that could cost money. The site itself does not cost us any money > > at the moment, since Clocksoft generously allow us to put the site on > > one of their servers. > > > > If anyone has any other ideas for how to cover these traveling > > expenses, please do share them. > > Python (Uk) T-Shirts. I would buy one (and probably more than one for > some friends, friends ordering from me, etc.). > > To sell more: we could advertise in other PUGs from other places, but > then we need to send the T-Shirts. We could use > http://www.cafepress.com/ , but I have never used it, either to buy or > sell. > > This are my 2 cents. > > Cheers, > > -- > Carles Pina i Estany > http://pinux.info > > +1 on t-shirts, I'd certainly buy one or two. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Aug 9 11:16:57 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:16:57 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Announcing the next London Python Code Dojo 9th September 2010 Message-ID: <190FECB8-4D5E-4698-ADA6-86ED66EA24A2@ntoll.org> Folks, "Season 2" of the London Python Code Dojo will start at 6:30pm on Thursday 9th September 2010 at the offices of Fry-IT (address at the bottom). Please note this *isn't* the first Thursday of September (as expected) - I managed to get all sorts of dates muddled up hence the move to the 9th September. To make this absolutely clear: the dojo will *NOT* take place on the 2nd September as one might have expected, but *WILL* take place on the 9TH OF SEPTEMBER (a week later). To sign up (there are 30 places) please go to: http://ldnpydojo.eventwax.com/london-python-code-dojo-season-2-episode-1 This will be the first anniversary of the dojo. Thanks Fry-IT and O'Reilly for the support! I'll see if I can get my hands on a birthday cake... :-) We'll decide what problem we'll solve using the traditional "whiteboard -> vote" method. It'll be a good idea to spend some time planing the rest of the year too - activities, talks, projects and such like. Pizza and beer kicks off at 6:30, coding at 7:30. This month's "prize" is the O'Reilly book "Programming Google App Engine". Nearest Tubes: Waterloo Southwark Address: Fry-IT Limited 503 Enterprise House 1/2 Hatfields London SE1 9PG Telephone: 0207 0968800 Map: http://bit.ly/csvi94 See you there! Nicholas. From alex at moreati.org.uk Mon Aug 9 18:25:10 2010 From: alex at moreati.org.uk (Alex Willmer) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:25:10 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python comparison matrix Message-ID: I've finally updated and expanded a Python matrix I started just after PyCon UK 2008. It compares Python versions 1.5 - 3.1 with the built-ins, modules, keywords and features each implements. You can see it at http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AsSu6wxSusr7cEEwQ0xzZW9wUHFTeldXRW4wRU91QkE&hl=en_GB&output=html I've sourced it mainly form the on line documentation, currently only CPython is properly covered. Before I go further, I'd like to get some feedback. Would this be of much use to you? What else would you like to see in such a document? Would you like to help out? Regards, Alex -- Alex Willmer http://moreati.org.uk/blog From tartley at tartley.com Mon Aug 9 20:11:55 2010 From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:11:55 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python comparison matrix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C6044EB.7040804@tartley.com> Wow. With command-line and platforms and features! You've not skimped, have you? Impressive. Nice work. I'd have been tempted to try and auto-generate (parts of) it, but I don't know how rational that decision would have been. Did you consider that, and figure it was simply less work to get stuck in manually? Jonathan On 09/08/2010 17:25, Alex Willmer wrote: > I've finally updated and expanded a Python matrix I started just after > PyCon UK 2008. It compares Python versions 1.5 - 3.1 with the > built-ins, modules, keywords and features each implements. You can see > it at > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AsSu6wxSusr7cEEwQ0xzZW9wUHFTeldXRW4wRU91QkE&hl=en_GB&output=html > > I've sourced it mainly form the on line documentation, currently only > CPython is properly covered. Before I go further, I'd like to get some > feedback. > Would this be of much use to you? > What else would you like to see in such a document? > Would you like to help out? > > Regards, Alex > -- Jonathan Hartley Made of meat. http://tartley.com tartley at tartley.com +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley From alex at moreati.org.uk Mon Aug 9 20:54:46 2010 From: alex at moreati.org.uk (Alex Willmer) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:54:46 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python comparison matrix In-Reply-To: <4C6044EB.7040804@tartley.com> References: <4C6044EB.7040804@tartley.com> Message-ID: On 9 August 2010 19:11, Jonathan Hartley wrote: > I'd have been tempted to try and auto-generate (parts of) it, but I don't So was I, and also a bit intimidated :). > know how rational that decision would have been. Did you consider that, and > figure it was simply less work to get stuck in manually? I've (post) rationalised it thus: (1) I want to reflect want's documented, over implementation/platform specific quirks (e.g. WindowsError) and (2) getting all those versions compiled, running and communicating with something automated might have taken far longer. I'll be _very_ happy if someone proves me wrong though. -- Alex Willmer http://moreati.org.uk/blog From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Wed Aug 11 15:39:54 2010 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:39:54 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Thursday August 12th meetup at the Malt Shovel pub, Northampton Message-ID: <4C62A82A.9060905@voidspace.org.uk> Hey all, Sorry for the late notice. The next meetup will be at the Malt Shovel Pub, 7.30pm on August 12th (tomorrow!). All the best, Michael -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ http://www.voidspace.org.uk/blog READ CAREFULLY. By accepting and reading this email you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies (?BOGUS AGREEMENTS?) that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer. From akumria at acm.org Wed Aug 11 18:46:15 2010 From: akumria at acm.org (Anand Kumria) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:46:15 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Python in Edinburgh Message-ID: Hey all, Just a head's up that there are a bunch of us Pythonista's meeting up in Edinburgh on the 24th Aug (yes, during the festival!) 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We haven't been to the >> porter house in a while, how about there? > > I'll give that a +1. :-D Are we still going ahead with the Pyssup tonight? :-) Is this the Porterhouse in Covent Garden? John From jon+python-uk at unequivocal.co.uk Wed Aug 18 14:59:38 2010 From: jon+python-uk at unequivocal.co.uk (Jon Ribbens) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:59:38 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Pyssup (was Re: London Python? Brighton is active) In-Reply-To: <4C6BD705.8010707@googlemail.com> References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> <4C6BD705.8010707@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <20100818125938.GK27225@snowy.squish.net> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 01:50:13PM +0100, John Chandler wrote: > On 05/08/2010 12:17, Bruce Durling wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35, Andy Kilner wrote: >>> heh, actually I was more after a suggestion. We haven't been to the >>> porter house in a while, how about there? >> >> I'll give that a +1. :-D > > Are we still going ahead with the Pyssup tonight? :-) > > Is this the Porterhouse in Covent Garden? And what time? From stephenemslie at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 15:53:23 2010 From: stephenemslie at gmail.com (Stephen Emslie) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:53:23 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Pyssup (was Re: London Python? Brighton is active) In-Reply-To: <20100818125938.GK27225@snowy.squish.net> References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> <4C6BD705.8010707@googlemail.com> <20100818125938.GK27225@snowy.squish.net> Message-ID: Hi Folks Unfortunately, due to work commitments we're going to postpone the Pyssup till next week Wednesday. Same place, same time: Thats Wednesday 25th, 6:30pm onwards Porterhouse in Covent Garden Sorry to everyone who was looking forward to a pint and a good geek out tonight, but we'll be sure to make it a good one next week. Stephen On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jon Ribbens < jon+python-uk at unequivocal.co.uk > wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 01:50:13PM +0100, John Chandler wrote: > > On 05/08/2010 12:17, Bruce Durling wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35, Andy Kilner wrote: > >>> heh, actually I was more after a suggestion. We haven't been to the > >>> porter house in a while, how about there? > >> > >> I'll give that a +1. :-D > > > > Are we still going ahead with the Pyssup tonight? :-) > > > > Is this the Porterhouse in Covent Garden? > > And what time? > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.chandler.lists at googlemail.com Wed Aug 18 16:16:12 2010 From: john.chandler.lists at googlemail.com (John Chandler) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:16:12 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Pyssup (was Re: London Python? Brighton is active) In-Reply-To: References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> <4C6BD705.8010707@googlemail.com> <20100818125938.GK27225@snowy.squish.net> Message-ID: <4C6BEB2C.7070301@googlemail.com> No worries - see you all next week :-) John On 18/08/2010 14:53, Stephen Emslie wrote: > Hi Folks > > Unfortunately, due to work commitments we're going to postpone the > Pyssup till next week Wednesday. Same place, same time: > > Thats Wednesday 25th, 6:30pm onwards > Porterhouse in Covent Garden > > Sorry to everyone who was looking forward to a pint and a good geek out > tonight, but we'll be sure to make it a good one next week. > > > Stephen > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jon Ribbens > > wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 01:50:13PM +0100, John Chandler wrote: > > On 05/08/2010 12:17, Bruce Durling wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35, Andy Kilner > wrote: > >>> heh, actually I was more after a suggestion. We haven't been to the > >>> porter house in a while, how about there? > >> > >> I'll give that a +1. :-D > > > > Are we still going ahead with the Pyssup tonight? :-) > > > > Is this the Porterhouse in Covent Garden? > > And what time? > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From ntoll at ntoll.org Wed Aug 18 16:33:12 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:33:12 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] London Pyssup (was Re: London Python? Brighton is active) In-Reply-To: References: <26A93180-F7E8-4C52-8F65-228E24E306E7@ntoll.org> <4C6BD705.8010707@googlemail.com> <20100818125938.GK27225@snowy.squish.net> Message-ID: <1282141992.1801.0.camel@ntoll-ubuntu> Hey, I might actually be able to make that! Woohoo! :-) Nicholas. On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 14:53 +0100, Stephen Emslie wrote: > Hi Folks > > > Unfortunately, due to work commitments we're going to postpone the > Pyssup till next week Wednesday. Same place, same time: > > > Thats Wednesday 25th, 6:30pm onwards > Porterhouse in Covent Garden > > > Sorry to everyone who was looking forward to a pint and a good geek > out tonight, but we'll be sure to make it a good one next week. > > > > > Stephen > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jon Ribbens +python-uk at unequivocal.co.uk> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 01:50:13PM +0100, John Chandler wrote: > > On 05/08/2010 12:17, Bruce Durling wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35, Andy > Kilner wrote: > >>> heh, actually I was more after a suggestion. 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Best regards, Alex [0] http://m.ox.ac.uk/ [1] http://mollyproject.org/ From tartley at tartley.com Sun Aug 22 12:58:07 2010 From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:58:07 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] pyweek is GO Message-ID: <4C7102BF.3070500@tartley.com> PyWeek (the 'write a game in Python in a week') competition has started today. pyweek.org I'm giving it a go again. It has been hilarious in the past. If anyone else fancies it, drop me a line. It has been surprisingly effective for people to just contribute an evening or two of work to a team effort in the past, so you don't have to make a huge time commitment. Also, if you're in London, maybe we could get together and code in the same room & bounce ideas, even if we work on different entries. Best, Jonathan -- Jonathan Hartley Made of meat. http://tartley.com tartley at tartley.com +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley From ntoll at ntoll.org Mon Aug 23 11:08:52 2010 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:08:52 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Pyssup and oh-dear.... Message-ID: <945B2E37-0A90-47CD-BD94-080F23B7AD58@ntoll.org> Folks, 1. I'm assuming the Pyssup on Wednesday evening is still on..? 2. Wasn't there supposed to be an IRC meeting on the evening of the 17th (which in the end I couldn't get to since I was in a car full of kids screaming "are we there yet?" at the time)? Many apologies for not making it. If it did take place, is there a transcript or log file we could see..? What decisions were made..? What actions are taking place..? Here's hoping the August weather improves... Nicholas. From mail at timgolden.me.uk Mon Aug 23 11:12:25 2010 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:12:25 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Pyssup and oh-dear.... In-Reply-To: <945B2E37-0A90-47CD-BD94-080F23B7AD58@ntoll.org> References: <945B2E37-0A90-47CD-BD94-080F23B7AD58@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <4C723B79.2080904@timgolden.me.uk> On 23/08/2010 10:08, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > 2. Wasn't there supposed to be an IRC meeting on the evening of the > 17th (which in the end I couldn't get to since I was in a car full of > kids screaming "are we there yet?" at the time)? Many apologies for > not making it. If it did take place, is there a transcript or log > file we could see..? What decisions were made..? What actions are > taking place..? I'd like to know the same thing, since I -- for some reason I can't begin to fathom -- had it down in my diary for the 19th. I duly dashed to the #europython channel at 7.30pm, only to find it a howling and empty wilderness. (At which point I checked my emails and discovered my error...) TJG From stephenemslie at gmail.com Mon Aug 23 11:29:15 2010 From: stephenemslie at gmail.com (Stephen Emslie) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:29:15 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Pyssup and oh-dear.... In-Reply-To: <945B2E37-0A90-47CD-BD94-080F23B7AD58@ntoll.org> References: <945B2E37-0A90-47CD-BD94-080F23B7AD58@ntoll.org> Message-ID: Hi Nicholas Thanks for bringing that up. I was also travelling at the time, so it would be interesting to see a summary of this meeting. Yes, the pyssup is still on this Wednesday at Porterhouse in Covent Garden. *Wednesday 25th, 6:30pm onwards* Porterhouse: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/36/366/Porterhouse/Covent_Garden map: http://bit.ly/cLrm5U I'll send out a proper reminder email this afternoon Stephen On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > > Folks, > > 1. I'm assuming the Pyssup on Wednesday evening is still on..? > > 2. Wasn't there supposed to be an IRC meeting on the evening of the 17th (which in the end I couldn't get to since I was in a car full of kids screaming "are we there yet?" at the time)? Many apologies for not making it. If it did take place, is there a transcript or log file we could see..? What decisions were made..? What actions are taking place..? > > Here's hoping the August weather improves... > > Nicholas. > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenemslie at gmail.com Mon Aug 23 18:43:30 2010 From: stephenemslie at gmail.com (Stephen Emslie) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:43:30 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Reminder: Pyssup python pub night this Wednesday 6:30pm Message-ID: Just a reminder for anyone who's planning on coming out for a few pints this Wednesday. This month's London Pyssup will take place at Porterhouse near Covent Garden http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/36/366/Porterhouse/Covent_Garden All the details, as well as calendar feeds, etc. are on the twtvite page: http://twtvite.com/l2lf03 Nearest tube stations are: Embankment, Charring Cross, Leicester Square, Covent Garden. Can of spam or similarly Python related items/clothing will be on display to identify us if it wasn't already apparent. If you haven't been before, the Porterhouse is a large pub with just about every type of beer you can think of available. Its quite large and gets pretty busy, so we'll do our best to be visible to those that don't know what we look like already. I'll try to remember the spam for once. The Pyssup is an informal monthly meetup for anyone interested in Python or programming in general. 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You can let us know you're coming (and therefore we'll look out for you) at http://twtvite.com/l2lf03 As an added incentive, the company I work for, More Associates, is seeking an additional developer: http://moreassociates.com/news/python-developer-sought/ Feel free to ask me about our work on CarbonCulture (just try to stop me talking about it) and the government's real-time energy displays: http://moreassociates.com/news/carbonculture-launches-initial-membership/ See you tonight, Andy On 23 August 2010 17:43, Stephen Emslie wrote: > Just a reminder for anyone who's planning on coming out for a few pints this > Wednesday. > This month's London Pyssup will take place at Porterhouse near Covent Garden > http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/36/366/Porterhouse/Covent_Garden > All the details, as well as calendar feeds, etc. are on the twtvite > page:?http://twtvite.com/l2lf03 > Nearest tube stations are: Embankment, Charring Cross, Leicester Square, > Covent Garden.?Can of spam or similarly Python related items/clothing will > be on display to identify us if it wasn't already apparent. > If you haven't been before, the Porterhouse is a large pub with just about > every type of beer you can think of available. Its quite large and gets > pretty busy, so we'll do our best to be visible to those that don't know > what we look like already. I'll try to remember the spam for once. > The Pyssup is an informal monthly meetup for anyone interested in Python or > programming in general. There are a few more formal meetups, but this one is > for people to get to know one another and find out more about any aspect of > python you happen to be interested in. > > > Stephen Emslie and Andy Kilner > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > From tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk Thu Aug 26 22:13:43 2010 From: tibs at tibsnjoan.co.uk (Tony Ibbs) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:13:43 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Next Cambridge & East Anglia Meeting: Tue 7th September Message-ID: <5D77471C-E065-4284-8E66-E8010ECF0CBB@tibsnjoan.co.uk> As announced on the CamPUG Google Group: The next meeting should be a talks meeting, Tuesday 7th September, 7.30pm, hopefully at RealVNC (http://tinyurl.com/realvncoffices). As normal, volunteers appreciated. I shall try to do a brief (lightning size) talk on Zeth's plans for UK Python User Groups, and maybe also on his ideas (from EuroPython) on rewriting useful Unix tools in Python. Meetings after that should be: * Tue 5th October (dojo meeting) * Tue 2nd November (talks meeting) Tibs