From subscribed at red56.co.uk Thu Feb 1 11:32:18 2007 From: subscribed at red56.co.uk (Tim Diggins) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:32:18 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Help Please In-Reply-To: References: <200701290000.40253.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <45C1C1B2.40104@red56.co.uk> > How do I go from here to creating an incidence list representation and > adjacency matrix? (is it possible to assign to individual items in each tuple? I guess not). You're right python tuples are immutable (1,2,3), whereas python lists [1,2,3] are mutable. However which you use is really a matter of what fits your development purposes - NOT what fits your mathematical model - mathematically speaking they can both represent a (mathematical) tuple... Worthwhile checking out list comprehension syntax [1] as well - very expressive syntax (and usually, as added value, the fastest option) But in general I can't help but think, if you're actually learning python, rather than trying to get a quick computational answer to your problem, then you'll be better served by making a class to represent your underlying objects (and/or as others have suggested using appropriate libraries like numpy). [1] http://docs.python.org/tut/node7.html#SECTION007140000000000000000 Python Freak wrote: > Okay I finally got the adjancency list representation working: > > v = range(1,11) > al=zip(v[:-1],v[1:])+[(10,)] > > Is that right? It works fine. > > > [ for those of you who missed my earlier email, this is not a homework; > i'm a graduate student attempting to learn python ]. > > > On 1/28/07, *Zeth Green* > wrote: > > On 29/01/07, Michael Sparks > wrote: > > Is this homework? > > I was about to respond with a literal answer but I thought that too. > It was the mathematical terminology but especially this bit that made > me suspect: > > > On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:45, Python Freak wrote: > Hint: You may find it useful to note that one incidence list > representation is... > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From mamading at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 12:20:13 2007 From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:20:13 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Help Please In-Reply-To: References: <200701290000.40253.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <57a935970702010320x4c2dd801va6f69fddd5a96cea@mail.gmail.com> On 29/01/07, Python Freak wrote: > > As I am new to Python, > I am clueless about where to start. > There are books such as Learning Python from O'Reilly and Beginning Python from Apress. There is also the tutor mailing list for folks who want to ask questions regarding how to learn computer programming with the Python language. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor The Beginners Guide has links to lots of resources: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide -- Mamading Ceesay There is no business to be done on a dead planet ? David Brower Another world is here - http://www.worldchanging.com/ From simon at brunningonline.net Thu Feb 1 18:22:01 2007 From: simon at brunningonline.net (Simon Brunning) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:22:01 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Python meetup, Wednesday the 21st of February Message-ID: <8c7f10c60702010922m1c1712f6va46e84aeaaacd8b9@mail.gmail.com> The Porterhouse[1], Covent Garden seemed rather popular last month, so I though we'd use it again. Once again, I'll try and get there in time to get a table, but even if I can't, we always seem to manage to get a fair amount of space as the evening wears on. See you there! -- Cheers, Simon B simon at brunningonline.net http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ [1] http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/36/366 From theology at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 18:50:27 2007 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth Green) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:50:27 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Python meetup in Birmingham, Friday 2nd Feb (tomorrow/today) Message-ID: Hello! If anyone is in/near the Midlands, we are having a Python night in Birmingham tomorrow (Friday 2nd) in a reserved pub/restaurant. For more details, see the Python West Midlands website: http://pywm.eu/ On 01/02/07, Simon Brunning wrote: > The Porterhouse[1], Covent Garden seemed rather popular last month, so > I though we'd use it again. Once again, I'll try and get there in time > to get a table, but even if I can't, we always seem to manage to get a > fair amount of space as the evening wears on. > > See you there! > > -- > Cheers, > Simon B > simon at brunningonline.net > http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ > > [1] http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/36/366 > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From ms at cerenity.org Sat Feb 3 20:31:07 2007 From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:31:07 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! Message-ID: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> Hi, I don't know how many people here read comp.lang.python or the main python list (I suspect its a fair few), but there's been this post: * http://tinyurl.com/2ofgtq From: Jeff Rush Subject: About PyCamp - a Regional Python Unconference A week or so ago, the Dallas and Houston Python User Groups met online in a chat room, to discuss the possibility of a regional Python conference. ... And tossing around some names, we decided upon "PyCamp". There is much to be discussed re dates, location and how it will operate, so I set up the website: http://pycamp.python.org/ ... The rough idea is to hold a Texas-wide unconference, perhaps sometimes in August and near Austin. There was also the idea of holding a rotating unconference that moves between Dallas, Austin and Houston, say twice a year. Now, I've got an idea for a venue in Manchester[*] which could probably cater to about 50-70 people depending on how the rooms are laid out which would work out to something like ?15 - ?20 *without* sponsorship. If we can get sponsorship then that figure would go down or could maybe be redirected into arranging food or similar ? [*] http://www.manchesterdda.com/article/83/ As a result, I'm wondering - is anyone else interested in co-convening such a beast? If there is, please email me back! Michael. -- http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Home http://yeoldeclue.com/blog From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Sat Feb 3 20:42:11 2007 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:42:11 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <45C4E593.8070302@voidspace.org.uk> Hello Michael, Sorry for the top-post, but your actual suggestion is a long way down. :-) I would certainly be very interested in attending and helping with such an event. It sounds like a great idea. Unfortunately I'm tied up with writing a book, which will probably take me through until May/June. After that I will have more spare time and would love to get involved. If you're heading for an August time you'll need to do a lot of work before then, but if you set a date beyond that then perhaps I can be useful. Michael Foord http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles.shtml Michael Sparks wrote: > Hi, > > > I don't know how many people here read comp.lang.python or the main python > list (I suspect its a fair few), but there's been this post: > > * http://tinyurl.com/2ofgtq > > From: Jeff Rush > Subject: About PyCamp - a Regional Python Unconference > > A week or so ago, the Dallas and Houston Python User Groups met online in a > chat room, to discuss the possibility of a regional Python conference. > ... > And tossing around some names, we decided upon "PyCamp". There is much to > be discussed re dates, location and how it will operate, so I set up the > website: > http://pycamp.python.org/ > > ... > > The rough idea is to hold a Texas-wide unconference, perhaps sometimes in > August and near Austin. There was also the idea of holding a rotating > unconference that moves between Dallas, Austin and Houston, say twice a > year. > > Now, I've got an idea for a venue in Manchester[*] which could probably > cater to about 50-70 people depending on how the rooms are laid out which > would work out to something like ?15 - ?20 *without* sponsorship. If we > can get sponsorship then that figure would go down or could maybe be > redirected into arranging food or similar ? > > [*] http://www.manchesterdda.com/article/83/ > > As a result, I'm wondering - is anyone else interested in co-convening such a > beast? If there is, please email me back! > > > Michael. > -- > http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Home > http://yeoldeclue.com/blog > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > From ms at cerenity.org Sat Feb 3 22:59:53 2007 From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:59:53 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <45C4E593.8070302@voidspace.org.uk> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <45C4E593.8070302@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> On Saturday 03 February 2007 19:42, Michael Foord wrote: > Hello Michael, > > Sorry for the top-post, but your actual suggestion is a long way down. :-) No problem. I wanted to make sure I'd got some context :) > I would certainly be very interested in attending and helping with such > an event. It sounds like a great idea. Cool, I'll take that as a +1 :) > Unfortunately I'm tied up with writing a book, which will probably take > me through until May/June. Oh is this the IronPython book? Cool :) > After that I will have more spare time and would love to get involved. That's great to hear :-) > If you're heading for an August time you'll > need to do a lot of work before then, but if you set a date beyond that > then perhaps I can be useful. I'm not sure August is actually the best time for people in the UK either - since so many people go away then. My feeling is that the best time would be sometime in early September - either 1/2 Sept or 8/9th Sept. I'll wait for a few more comments and then chat to people on Monday. Michael From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Sat Feb 3 23:00:38 2007 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:00:38 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <45C4E593.8070302@voidspace.org.uk> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <45C50606.3030008@voidspace.org.uk> Michael Sparks wrote: > [snip..] >> Unfortunately I'm tied up with writing a book, which will probably take >> me through until May/June. >> > > Oh is this the IronPython book? Cool :) > > Yup. Just completed the first draft of chapter 2. Already behind schedule. :-) Michael From simon at brunningonline.net Mon Feb 5 13:03:24 2007 From: simon at brunningonline.net (Simon Brunning) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:03:24 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <45C4E593.8070302@voidspace.org.uk> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <8c7f10c60702050403p713924ebi9b20495f67373079@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/07, Michael Sparks wrote: > On Saturday 03 February 2007 19:42, Michael Foord wrote: > > I would certainly be very interested in attending and helping with such > > an event. It sounds like a great idea. > > Cool, I'll take that as a +1 :) +1 from me too. -- Cheers, Simon B simon at brunningonline.net http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ From andy at reportlab.com Mon Feb 5 13:18:16 2007 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:18:16 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <45C50606.3030008@voidspace.org.uk> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <45C4E593.8070302@voidspace.org.uk> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> <45C50606.3030008@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <45C72088.5040104@reportlab.com> >> Oh is this the IronPython book? Cool :) >> >> > Yup. Just completed the first draft of chapter 2. Already behind > schedule. :-) No worries, IronPython itself took a while AFAIR ;-) From andy at reportlab.com Mon Feb 5 13:19:04 2007 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:19:04 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <45C4E593.8070302@voidspace.org.uk> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <45C720B8.6070007@reportlab.com> > I'm not sure August is actually the best time for people in the UK either - > since so many people go away then. My feeling is that the best time would be > sometime in early September - either 1/2 Sept or 8/9th Sept. > +1. Especially after August. - Andy From amckay at bluefountain.com Mon Feb 5 13:41:02 2007 From: amckay at bluefountain.com (Andy McKay) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:41:02 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group Message-ID: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> We are just starting a new user group in the Northwest here called NorWeb, that has quite a python component to it: http://norweb.cnuk.org/about/ Next chat is on the 16th about Django http://norweb.cnuk.org/ Welcome one and all. -- Andy McKay From mail at timgolden.me.uk Mon Feb 5 14:10:40 2007 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:10:40 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <38427.81.171.156.66.1170681040.squirrel@81.171.156.66> > Now, I've got an idea for a venue in Manchester[*] which could probably > cater to about 50-70 people depending on how the rooms are laid out which > would work out to something like ?15 - ?20 *without* sponsorship. If we > can get sponsorship then that figure would go down or could maybe be > redirected into arranging food or similar ? > > [*] http://www.manchesterdda.com/article/83/ > > As a result, I'm wondering - is anyone else interested in co-convening > such a beast? If there is, please email me back! I think it's a great idea, and I'd love to be involved, practicalities and commitments permitting. For some reason I always find the other conferences on offer just a little to overwhelming and/or costly to get me out of my seat. The idea of a cheap, self-organising conference sounds up my street. TJG From ms at cerenity.org Mon Feb 5 14:33:22 2007 From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:33:22 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <45C720B8.6070007@reportlab.com> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> <45C720B8.6070007@reportlab.com> Message-ID: <200702051333.23587.ms@cerenity.org> On Monday 05 February 2007 12:19, Andy Robinson wrote: > > I'm not sure August is actually the best time for people in the UK either > > - since so many people go away then. My feeling is that the best time > > would be sometime in early September - either 1/2 Sept or 8/9th Sept. > > +1. Especially after August. OK, I've now had more than a handful of positive replies which is Great! :) So, this looks like a go and I'll kick this into motion - many thanks to everyone who's offered to help - I'll reply individually shortly, as well as set something up for co-ordination. There's a general view that September is preferable to August. As a result, I'm tempted to suggest either: * 8/9 Sept (my preference) * 15/16 Sept (possible clash for some with rails conf on 17/18) As two possible dates. I'm not suggested 1/2 Sept now because I realised that's the other weekend "attached" to the week with the august bank holiday, and many people go away then. Thoughts? Michael. From ms at cerenity.org Mon Feb 5 14:43:27 2007 From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:43:27 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group In-Reply-To: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> References: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> Message-ID: <200702051343.27217.ms@cerenity.org> Hi Andy, You might want to consider a crosslinking between the Geekup and NorWeb sites. (Geekup is also a northwest user group and people have been coming from across the northwest, so some loose co-ordination would probably a nice idea :) I'm sure Andrew & Dan would think its a good idea. * http://geekup.org/ The next meet is on the 13th. I won't be there unfortunately because I'll be at a rehearsal - http://www.mugss.org/show/ . There's also a (free) jobs board there, which would probably a good idea to link to: * http://jobboard.geekup.org/ Just taken a look and there 2 jobs specific to Merseyside posted, so it'd probably be a good idea :) I'll try and come along to a future meet if possible :) Regards, Michael. From amckay at bluefountain.com Mon Feb 5 14:56:23 2007 From: amckay at bluefountain.com (Andy McKay) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:56:23 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group In-Reply-To: <200702051343.27217.ms@cerenity.org> References: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> <200702051343.27217.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <0FD12047-1291-45A9-9EA5-1A09BA7BC50D@bluefountain.com> Thanks, yeah we are actually posted on there and even wonder at this point if we need a seperate user group :) Thats what a bit of the user group meeting will be about. > You might want to consider a crosslinking between the Geekup and > NorWeb sites. > (Geekup is also a northwest user group and people have been coming > from > across the northwest, so some loose co-ordination would probably a > nice > idea :) > > I'm sure Andrew & Dan would think its a good idea. > > * http://geekup.org/ > > The next meet is on the 13th. I won't be there unfortunately > because I'll be > at a rehearsal - http://www.mugss.org/show/ . > > There's also a (free) jobs board there, which would probably a good > idea to > link to: > * http://jobboard.geekup.org/ > > Just taken a look and there 2 jobs specific to Merseyside posted, > so it'd > probably be a good idea :) > > I'll try and come along to a future meet if possible :) Cool -- Andy McKay From simon at titanic.co.uk Mon Feb 5 14:20:11 2007 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:20:11 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group In-Reply-To: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> References: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> Message-ID: <45C72F0B.7040404@titanic.co.uk> Andy McKay wrote: > We are just starting a new user group in the Northwest here called > NorWeb, that has quite a python component to it: > > http://norweb.cnuk.org/about/ > > Next chat is on the 16th about Django It says the 15th on the web? http://norweb.cnuk.org/category/events/ From amckay at bluefountain.com Mon Feb 5 15:32:28 2007 From: amckay at bluefountain.com (Andy McKay) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:32:28 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group In-Reply-To: <45C72F0B.7040404@titanic.co.uk> References: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> <45C72F0B.7040404@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <2B474872-7AC4-4688-9A49-DDD9BC402908@bluefountain.com> > It says the 15th on the web? > > http://norweb.cnuk.org/category/events/ My apologies. As ever (well occasionally) the web is correct and my monday addled brain is incorrect. -- Andy McKay From simon at titanic.co.uk Mon Feb 5 15:40:11 2007 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:40:11 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group In-Reply-To: <2B474872-7AC4-4688-9A49-DDD9BC402908@bluefountain.com> References: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> <45C72F0B.7040404@titanic.co.uk> <2B474872-7AC4-4688-9A49-DDD9BC402908@bluefountain.com> Message-ID: <45C741CB.90500@titanic.co.uk> Andy McKay wrote: >> It says the 15th on the web? >> >> http://norweb.cnuk.org/category/events/ > > My apologies. As ever (well occasionally) the web is correct and my > monday addled brain is incorrect. Cool, I *can* come :-) From mail at timgolden.me.uk Mon Feb 5 14:57:36 2007 From: mail at timgolden.me.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:57:36 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [python-uk] [OT] MU G&S (was: New user group) In-Reply-To: <200702051343.27217.ms@cerenity.org> References: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> <200702051343.27217.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <4003.81.171.156.66.1170683856.squirrel@81.171.156.66> [Michael Sparks] > I won't be there unfortunately because I'll > be at a rehearsal - http://www.mugss.org/show/ . Hey! Hope it goes well. If you look here: http://www.mugss.org/history/1989/ You'll see my name down among the Chorus. It was sort of accidental, because I'd been the orchestra for Pirates the year before (http://www.mugss.org/history/1988/ but Orchestra don't get credited) but as orchestra you don't get the atmosphere, so I went along to rehearsals and ended up on stage before I realised! (Slightly strangely, the guy playing Frederic there also played the same role two years before at my school, when I was in the orchestra as well). Good luck with it when it comes; G&S is always fun. TJG From andy at reportlab.com Mon Feb 5 16:01:09 2007 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:01:09 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Yet Another UK Python Conference Message-ID: <45C746B5.6060606@reportlab.com> I just spoke to John Pinner at Clocksoft on the phone - he's been off email for a couple of days and hasn't seen this thread. He and others in the Midlands have been planning a UK event for a long time, and have venues lined up at around the same time - September (!). There is a meeting of some West Midlands user group on 24 Feb at which it will be discussed. Apparently he will see Michael Sparks at an event tomorrow so hopefully they can figure out how to space these things out. My 2p worth is that it would be great to have multiple events dotted around the country, especially if we can space them out a bit and none are so big that they knacker the organisers. John, please ack if/when you get this through the mailing list - Andy From theology at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 17:35:14 2007 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth Green) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:35:14 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Yet Another UK Python Conference In-Reply-To: <45C746B5.6060606@reportlab.com> References: <45C746B5.6060606@reportlab.com> Message-ID: Well I am happy to get involved in whatever is worked out. At least one successful event would be the way forward, perhaps one year in one two and one in another. PS. I love the reportlab toolkit. Excel is dead. On 05/02/07, Andy Robinson wrote: > I just spoke to John Pinner at Clocksoft on the phone - he's been off > email for a couple of days and hasn't seen this thread. He and others > in the Midlands have been planning a UK event for a long time, and have > venues lined up at around the same time - September (!). There is a > meeting of some West Midlands user group on 24 Feb at which it will be > discussed. > > Apparently he will see Michael Sparks at an event tomorrow so hopefully > they can figure out how to space these things out. > > My 2p worth is that it would be great to have multiple events dotted > around the country, especially if we can space them out a bit and none > are so big that they knacker the organisers. > > John, please ack if/when you get this through the mailing list > > - Andy > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From theology at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 17:38:19 2007 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth Green) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:38:19 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Yet Another UK Python Conference In-Reply-To: References: <45C746B5.6060606@reportlab.com> Message-ID: On 05/02/07, Zeth Green wrote: > perhaps one year in one two and one in another. = perhaps one year in one *town* and one year in another. From simon at titanic.co.uk Mon Feb 5 17:41:53 2007 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:41:53 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Yet Another UK Python Conference In-Reply-To: References: <45C746B5.6060606@reportlab.com> Message-ID: <45C75E51.7070801@titanic.co.uk> > = perhaps one year in one *town* and one year in another. LOL, I just spent 3 mins trying to parse that! From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Mon Feb 5 20:30:39 2007 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:30:39 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <200702051333.23587.ms@cerenity.org> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> <45C720B8.6070007@reportlab.com> <200702051333.23587.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <45C785DF.1090001@voidspace.org.uk> Michael Sparks wrote: > On Monday 05 February 2007 12:19, Andy Robinson wrote: > >>> I'm not sure August is actually the best time for people in the UK either >>> - since so many people go away then. My feeling is that the best time >>> would be sometime in early September - either 1/2 Sept or 8/9th Sept. >>> >> +1. Especially after August. >> > > OK, I've now had more than a handful of positive replies which is Great! :) > So, this looks like a go and I'll kick this into motion - many thanks to > everyone who's offered to help - I'll reply individually shortly, as well as > set something up for co-ordination. > > There's a general view that September is preferable to August. > > As a result, I'm tempted to suggest either: > * 8/9 Sept (my preference) > Sounds good to me... but then I barely know what I'm doing tomorrow. :-) Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles.shtml > * 15/16 Sept (possible clash for some with rails conf on 17/18) > > As two possible dates. I'm not suggested 1/2 Sept now because I realised > that's the other weekend "attached" to the week with the august bank > holiday, and many people go away then. > > Thoughts? > > > Michael. > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > From smedley358 at btinternet.com Mon Feb 5 21:21:00 2007 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:21:00 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <45C785DF.1090001@voidspace.org.uk> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> <45C720B8.6070007@reportlab.com> <200702051333.23587.ms@cerenity.org> <45C785DF.1090001@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <20070205202100.0558c5af@localhost> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:30:39 Michael Foord wrote: > > As a result, I'm tempted to suggest either: > > * 8/9 Sept (my preference) > > > Sounds good to me... but then I barely know what I'm doing > tomorrow. :-) I barely know what I'm doing today but I think I have a reasonable handle on September ;-) I'd already written to Michael S off-list where, inter alia, I favoured this date - despite the clash with LBW2007. However I note that the W Mids Python group is planning something similar at the same time, and the two parties are now sorting out between them what will happen when, so at the very least we will have a PyCamp this year and next year over the two regions. We could even get two camps per year ;-) Wherever and whenever, I trust we get a Zope track - it'll push me to try and get the hang of it :^) - Richard From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Mon Feb 5 21:42:28 2007 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:42:28 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <20070205202100.0558c5af@localhost> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> <45C720B8.6070007@reportlab.com> <200702051333.23587.ms@cerenity.org> <45C785DF.1090001@voidspace.org.uk> <20070205202100.0558c5af@localhost> Message-ID: <45C796B4.30906@voidspace.org.uk> Richard Smedley wrote: > On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:30:39 Michael Foord wrote: > >>> As a result, I'm tempted to suggest either: >>> * 8/9 Sept (my preference) >>> >>> >> Sounds good to me... but then I barely know what I'm doing >> tomorrow. :-) >> > > I barely know what I'm doing today but I think I have a reasonable > handle on September ;-) > > I'd already written to Michael S off-list where, inter alia, I > favoured this date - despite the clash with LBW2007. > > Cool. I've been looking at the 'Open Space' stuff. It looks very interesting, but without an agenda or presentations I would be interested in knowing what the tangible goals of a Python 'unconference' would be? Additionally: * Would presentation equipment be available for groups that might find it useful ? * Would coding be appropriate or expected for groups that wanted to ? (bring your own laptop...) Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles.shtml > However I note that the W Mids Python group is planning something > similar at the same time, and the two parties are now sorting > out between them what will happen when, so at the very least we > will have a PyCamp this year and next year over the two > regions. We could even get two camps per year ;-) > > Wherever and whenever, I trust we get a Zope track - it'll push > me to try and get the hang of it :^) > > - Richard > > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > From theology at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 21:59:43 2007 From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth Green) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:59:43 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <45C796B4.30906@voidspace.org.uk> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> <45C720B8.6070007@reportlab.com> <200702051333.23587.ms@cerenity.org> <45C785DF.1090001@voidspace.org.uk> <20070205202100.0558c5af@localhost> <45C796B4.30906@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: On 05/02/07, Michael Foord wrote: > * Would coding be appropriate or expected for groups that wanted to ? > (bring your own laptop...) Well John Pinner's plan is for a 'community conference' that includes time and space for collaborative programming (i.e. a sprint/Hackfests). If people are staying in some kind of hotel or hostel then the evenings always turn into that anyway! (Not always easy to understand the results without the alcohol.) From ms at cerenity.org Mon Feb 5 23:16:44 2007 From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:16:44 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <20070205202100.0558c5af@localhost> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <45C785DF.1090001@voidspace.org.uk> <20070205202100.0558c5af@localhost> Message-ID: <200702052216.44688.ms@cerenity.org> On Monday 05 February 2007 20:21, Richard Smedley wrote: .. > I barely know what I'm doing today but I think I have a reasonable > handle on September ;-) > > I'd already written to Michael S off-list where, inter alia, I > favoured this date - despite the clash with LBW2007. I have no idea what LBW is BTW. Leg Before Wicket 2007 doesn't make much sense to me :-) :googles Oh. That's a bit far for me (Never felt the inclination to go to that). > However I note that the W Mids Python group is planning something > similar at the same time, and the two parties are now sorting > out between them what will happen when, so at the very least we > will have a PyCamp this year and next year over the two > regions. We could even get two camps per year ;-) I chatted to John briefly at lunchtime today, and will be chatting with him tomorrow about figuring out how to make this work. I think the plan initially is to find out what the aims of the two things are. I have a feeling the two are complementary since it sounds like John's organising a conference and I'm organising an unconference. I'll hold on dates though until chatting with John. At the end of the day, we'll clash with *something* that much is guaranteed, however avoiding some of the more python & scripting language related things is my primary aim. Whilst Michael Foord wrote: > I've been looking at the 'Open Space' stuff. It looks very interesting, > but without an agenda or presentations I would be interested in knowing > what the tangible goals of a Python 'unconference' would be? This is something I'll be pulling together in the invite. (Given the low level of upfront structure, the invite takes on much greater importance) I know it sounds like it doesn't work, but it works surprisingly well. > * Would presentation equipment be available for groups that might find > it useful ? If the venue I suggested is large enough, it has presentation equipment. > * Would coding be appropriate or expected for groups that wanted to ? > (bring your own laptop...) Absolutely. Michael. From ms at cerenity.org Tue Feb 6 00:13:50 2007 From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:13:50 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] [OT] MU G&S (was: New user group) In-Reply-To: <4003.81.171.156.66.1170683856.squirrel@81.171.156.66> References: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> <200702051343.27217.ms@cerenity.org> <4003.81.171.156.66.1170683856.squirrel@81.171.156.66> Message-ID: <200702052313.50615.ms@cerenity.org> On Monday 05 February 2007 13:57, Tim Golden wrote: > [Michael Sparks] > > > I won't be there unfortunately because I'll > > be at a rehearsal - http://www.mugss.org/show/ . > > Hey! Hope it goes well. Thanks! > If you look here: > > http://www.mugss.org/history/1989/ Cool :-) So, you coming to see the show then? ;-) > Good luck with it when it comes; G&S is always fun. Many thanks - it's gonna be a blast this year :) Michael. -- OK, on that topic, a relatively spammy mail, but if you're in the Manchester area, it'll be worthwhile. (I hadn't intended to post this here because everyone is so spread out, but discovering Tim's an ex-Mugss, it seems worthwhile. It's probably not relevant to many, so please find it amusing/surreal instead :-) (repost of mail to geekup) Hi! I'd like to invite you all to come and see a Bollywood inspired version of "The Mikado" at the Royal Northern College of Music. It's being put on by the award winning MUGSS society, and tickets start at a piffling ?5 for concessions or start at ?8 for the rest of us :) Why should you see it? It's going to be FANTASTIC, with a chorus of dozens and dancing numbers that just don't end. You'll never have seen The Mikado done this way nor never again. Where else can you see a giant elephant on stage in a light opera set in Japan? You can come and laugh at me on stage :) You will enjoy it, and anyone else you bring will too :) When is it ? From Valentine's day until the end of the week - Feb 14th - Feb 17th, at 7:30pm, also with a matinee on the 17th at 2:30, so you can bring the kids, who are *bound* to love it :) The matinee will also feature BSL signing. Where can I get tickets? Either speak to me and I can get them for you, and we can wraggle over concessions :) or book online using the RNCM's website. More info: * http://www.mugss.org/show/tickets/ * http://tinyurl.com/2wtqj4 (link to RNCM website) What's it about? Well, The Mikado does have one of the more cogent plots of G&S, and its essentially a love story of hope, despair, and courage. More info: * http://www.mugss.org/show/ Not interested? Please pass this on to someone who will be :) From john at clocksoft.com Tue Feb 6 11:12:44 2007 From: john at clocksoft.com (John Pinner) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:12:44 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <200702052216.44688.ms@cerenity.org> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <45C785DF.1090001@voidspace.org.uk> <20070205202100.0558c5af@localhost> <200702052216.44688.ms@cerenity.org> Message-ID: <45C8549C.7020408@clocksoft.com> Hello, My first post to this list: I'd wondered why I never got mails from python uk except for the monthly list reminder, but thanks to Andy Robinson have discovered that I was on a long-defunct starship UK list. Now put right, thanks Andy. Michael Sparks wrote: > On Monday 05 February 2007 20:21, Richard Smedley wrote: > .. > >>I barely know what I'm doing today but I think I have a reasonable >>handle on September ;-) >> >>I'd already written to Michael S off-list where, inter alia, I >>favoured this date - despite the clash with LBW2007. > > > I have no idea what LBW is BTW. Leg Before Wicket 2007 doesn't make much > sense to me :-) Especially when listening to the news from Australia. > :googles > > Oh. That's a bit far for me (Never felt the inclination to go to that). > > >>However I note that the W Mids Python group is planning something >>similar at the same time, and the two parties are now sorting >>out between them what will happen when, so at the very least we >>will have a PyCamp this year and next year over the two >>regions. We could even get two camps per year ;-) > > > I chatted to John briefly at lunchtime today, and will be chatting with > him tomorrow about figuring out how to make this work. I think the plan > initially is to find out what the aims of the two things are. > > I have a feeling the two are complementary since it sounds like John's > organising a conference and I'm organising an unconference. I'll hold on > dates though until chatting with John. Yes, there's no clash other than possibly with dates, as the ideas are indeed complementary :-) Michael and I are meeting in Brum today and no doubt will make some proposals afterwards. > At the end of the day, we'll clash with *something* that much is guaranteed, > however avoiding some of the more python & scripting language related things > is my primary aim. This is always a problem. At the beginning of September, we should aim to avoid clashing with the Kernel Summit, which is being held in Cambridge 4-6th September, and the UKUUG Linux Conference, which is being tied to the Kernel Summit and will probably be held before the KS, 1st-4th September, as we're trying to get big name kernel hackers to speak, maybe even Linus, I think Ted Tso has said he'll be there at least. UKUUG too is a community conference, with a very high signal to noise ratio, and usually some good Python stuff. Last year, for example, Luke Casson gave an interesting talk on Python web technologies, and I gave a rather more light-hearted talk on how I control my central heating system with Python. Past conferences have included Python tutorials. > Whilst Michael Foord wrote: > >>I've been looking at the 'Open Space' stuff. It looks very interesting, >>but without an agenda or presentations I would be interested in knowing >>what the tangible goals of a Python 'unconference' would be? > > > This is something I'll be pulling together in the invite. (Given the low > level of upfront structure, the invite takes on much greater importance) > I know it sounds like it doesn't work, but it works surprisingly well. > > >>* Would presentation equipment be available for groups that might find >>it useful ? > > > If the venue I suggested is large enough, it has presentation equipment. > > >>* Would coding be appropriate or expected for groups that wanted to ? >>(bring your own laptop...) > > > Absolutely. > > > Michael. Regards, John -- From rnalexander at gmail.com Tue Feb 6 17:15:20 2007 From: rnalexander at gmail.com (Ryan Alexander) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:15:20 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <8c7f10c60702050403p713924ebi9b20495f67373079@mail.gmail.com> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <45C4E593.8070302@voidspace.org.uk> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> <8c7f10c60702050403p713924ebi9b20495f67373079@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 here also! On 05/02/07, Simon Brunning wrote: > On 2/3/07, Michael Sparks wrote: > > On Saturday 03 February 2007 19:42, Michael Foord wrote: > > > I would certainly be very interested in attending and helping with such > > > an event. It sounds like a great idea. > > > > Cool, I'll take that as a +1 :) > > +1 from me too. > > -- > Cheers, > Simon B > simon at brunningonline.net > http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > From ms at cerenity.org Wed Feb 7 01:22:11 2007 From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:22:11 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: <45C8549C.7020408@clocksoft.com> References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <200702052216.44688.ms@cerenity.org> <45C8549C.7020408@clocksoft.com> Message-ID: <200702070022.11722.ms@cerenity.org> Hi All, On Tuesday 06 February 2007 10:12, John Pinner wrote: ... > > I have a feeling the two are complementary since it sounds like John's > > organising a conference and I'm organising an unconference. I'll hold on > > dates though until chatting with John. > > Yes, there's no clash other than possibly with dates, as the ideas are > indeed complementary :-) Michael and I are meeting in Brum today and no > doubt will make some proposals afterwards. Further to this, we had a chat and came to the conclusion that maybe the end of July ie 28th/29th might be a better weekend. This is completely the opposite end of the month from Europython, so there's no clash there. I've been trying to do the following: * Avoid august, since most people have a proper holiday then :) * Try to keep outside University term dates, in case there's much bigger interest and we need to find a bigger venue (lots of empty rooms) * Try to not clash with interesting conferences. Given what's going on in september, this seems to leave late July. That actually strikes me as pretty good though. Comments welcome :) (I'm away from email again all day tomorrow BTW) Michael From mamading at gmail.com Sat Feb 10 01:23:22 2007 From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:23:22 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] PyCamp UK ! In-Reply-To: References: <200702031931.07655.ms@cerenity.org> <200702032159.54067.ms@cerenity.org> <45C720B8.6070007@reportlab.com> <200702051333.23587.ms@cerenity.org> <45C785DF.1090001@voidspace.org.uk> <20070205202100.0558c5af@localhost> <45C796B4.30906@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <57a935970702091623o4e5ce7adm2aabe49a164ea467@mail.gmail.com> On 05/02/07, Zeth Green wrote: > > Well John Pinner's plan is for a 'community conference' that includes > time and space for collaborative programming (i.e. a > sprint/Hackfests). > Might be interesting to do some "pair programming" using Gobby: http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi -- Mamading Ceesay "the skill of programming is to create a context in which other people can share." --Adrian Holovaty From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Sat Feb 10 01:38:37 2007 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:38:37 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Python Training in London Message-ID: <45CD140D.2040606@voidspace.org.uk> Hello all, Since I've been working in London I've been asked about Python training at least a couple of times. Does anyone know of any that has / is / will be done ? Michael Foord http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles.shtml From john at clocksoft.com Sat Feb 10 19:14:03 2007 From: john at clocksoft.com (John Pinner) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:14:03 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Python Training in London In-Reply-To: <45CD140D.2040606@voidspace.org.uk> References: <45CD140D.2040606@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <45CE0B6B.4040105@clocksoft.com> Michael Foord wrote: > Hello all, > > Since I've been working in London I've been asked about Python training > at least a couple of times. Does anyone know of any that has / is / will > be done ? We do training: http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training and have a 'no-frills' Python course: http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training/introducing_python at a low enough price to compensate for it not being in London. If there's sufficient demand, we'll hold courses in London, but it won't be at those prices. (We're currently arranging dedicated courses in London for a well-known merchant bank, and could probably run something off the back of that.) If you're interested, please let me know. Best wishes, John -- John Pinner From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Sat Feb 10 19:30:39 2007 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:30:39 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Python Training in London In-Reply-To: <45CE0B6B.4040105@clocksoft.com> References: <45CD140D.2040606@voidspace.org.uk> <45CE0B6B.4040105@clocksoft.com> Message-ID: <45CE0F4F.8040407@voidspace.org.uk> Interesting to know John, thanks. If I get further enquiries I'll push them in your direction. Are you allowed to say which bank you do training for? Michael http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles.shtml John Pinner wrote: > Michael Foord wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Since I've been working in London I've been asked about Python training >> at least a couple of times. Does anyone know of any that has / is / will >> be done ? >> > > We do training: > > http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training > > and have a 'no-frills' Python course: > > http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training/introducing_python > > at a low enough price to compensate for it not being in London. > > If there's sufficient demand, we'll hold courses in London, but it won't > be at those prices. (We're currently arranging dedicated courses in > London for a well-known merchant bank, and could probably run something > off the back of that.) > > If you're interested, please let me know. > > Best wishes, > > John > -- > John Pinner > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > From john at clocksoft.com Sat Feb 10 20:36:34 2007 From: john at clocksoft.com (John Pinner) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:36:34 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Python Training in London In-Reply-To: <45CE0F4F.8040407@voidspace.org.uk> References: <45CD140D.2040606@voidspace.org.uk> <45CE0B6B.4040105@clocksoft.com> <45CE0F4F.8040407@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <45CE1EC2.8070604@clocksoft.com> Michael Foord wrote: > Interesting to know John, thanks. If I get further enquiries I'll push > them in your direction. > > Are you allowed to say which bank you do training for? Probably not! I'll ask. John -- > Michael > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles.shtml > > John Pinner wrote: > >>Michael Foord wrote: >> >> >>>Hello all, >>> >>>Since I've been working in London I've been asked about Python training >>>at least a couple of times. Does anyone know of any that has / is / will >>>be done ? >>> >> >>We do training: >> >> http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training >> >>and have a 'no-frills' Python course: >> >>http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/training/introducing_python >> >>at a low enough price to compensate for it not being in London. >> >>If there's sufficient demand, we'll hold courses in London, but it won't >>be at those prices. (We're currently arranging dedicated courses in >>London for a well-known merchant bank, and could probably run something >>off the back of that.) >> >>If you're interested, please let me know. >> >>Best wishes, >> >>John >>-- >>John Pinner >>_______________________________________________ >>python-uk mailing list >>python-uk at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > From amckay at bluefountain.com Thu Feb 15 11:57:57 2007 From: amckay at bluefountain.com (Andy McKay) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:57:57 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] [Ann] New user group In-Reply-To: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> References: <16760653-BC5B-4214-BAB8-1F3BAF15A2B0@bluefountain.com> Message-ID: Reminder, meeting is tonight. On 5 Feb 2007, at 12:41, Andy McKay wrote: > We are just starting a new user group in the Northwest here called > NorWeb, that has quite a python component to it: > > http://norweb.cnuk.org/about/ > > Next chat is on the 16th about Django > > http://norweb.cnuk.org/ > > Welcome one and all. > -- > Andy McKay -- Andy McKay From simon at brunningonline.net Wed Feb 21 14:06:03 2007 From: simon at brunningonline.net (Simon Brunning) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:06:03 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Reminder: London UK meetup this evening. Message-ID: <8c7f10c60702210506i36b60401l3111aefc0e978d4a@mail.gmail.com> Details: http://tinyurl.com/372bnq -- Cheers, Simon B simon at brunningonline.net http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ From john at clocksoft.com Wed Feb 21 19:24:12 2007 From: john at clocksoft.com (John Pinner) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:24:12 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conferences/Unconferences Message-ID: <45DC8E4C.4000208@clocksoft.com> Hello All, With the PyUK element of ACCU coming to the end of its run, people who attended PyUK may remember that I floated the idea of a more community-oriented (ie less formal and much less expensive) conference. This seemed to be well-received, and we're now in a position to actually do something in the West Midlands, let's call it PyCon UK. (Thanks Andy for setting up PyUK and running it for so long - I think it's done a lot to promote Python in the ACCU-type world, they're a lot more open-minded now than before.) At the same time Michael Sparkes has proposed an unconference, PyCamp UK, based in Manchester. I think that we all had some concerns about a possible clash. I met with Michael last week and we agreed that there was no conflict, provided that dates don't clash. The proposed events are quite different and complementary. Michael is looking at holding the Manchester event towards the end of July, while WmPy is aiming for September. We thought it would be a good idea for each group to help the other with the two events. The UKUUG Linux conference date has been set for 2nd-4th September (in Cambridge), running into the Kernel summit 4th-6th September. So it seems a good time to go for the weekend of 15th-16th September for the proposed PyCon UK. The West Midlands Python Group is having a Technical Meeting this Saturday, 24th February and the plan is to hold the first conference planning meeting at the end, ie late afternoon. Details of the meeting are at the WmPy website, http://www.wmpy.eu The day starts off with a Python tutorial for newish Python people and evryone is welcome (but please let us know if you're coming beforehand). We're a friendly bunch and don't bite :-) Regards, John -- John Pinner From john at clocksoft.com Thu Feb 22 18:26:52 2007 From: john at clocksoft.com (John Pinner) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:26:52 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] UK Python Conferences/Unconferences Message-ID: <45DDD25C.2010501@clocksoft.com> Hello, The sharp-eyed will have noticed that I mis-typed the URL of the West Midlands Python group, it should have been http://www.pywm.eu Sorry, John -- John Pinner From mark at gingergeeks.co.uk Thu Feb 22 21:33:18 2007 From: mark at gingergeeks.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:33:18 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Last Meetup Message-ID: <200702222033.19123.mark@gingergeeks.co.uk> Guys, Thankyou to all for making my journey all the worthwhile with a great evening out. Not sure when I can next make it, maybe after May but I'm in London before that then I will let you guys know. Best Regards Mark From miles.chris at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 09:03:28 2007 From: miles.chris at gmail.com (Chris Miles) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:03:28 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Last Meetup In-Reply-To: <200702222033.19123.mark@gingergeeks.co.uk> References: <200702222033.19123.mark@gingergeeks.co.uk> Message-ID: <2E1B5B97-209B-4DE9-AAF6-9060571159B0@gmail.com> Was good to see you again at the meetup Mark. We are certainly getting good turnouts for the Python Meetups these days. More than enough to hold off the football fans and keep our table safe :-) I want to offer a thanks to Simon for continuing to organise such a successful event each month. I know he has some plans to try to improve the meetups even more, so look forward to seeing what he can do. Cheers, Chris On 22 Feb 2007, at 20:33, Mark Roberts wrote: > Guys, > Thankyou to all for making my journey all the worthwhile > with a great > evening out. > > Not sure when I can next make it, maybe after May but I'm in London > before > that then I will let you guys know. > > Best Regards > > Mark From miles.chris at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 12:34:53 2007 From: miles.chris at gmail.com (Chris Miles) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:34:53 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] [Job] Python Developer - London - permanent In-Reply-To: <3BAA39A27D828743801B867D00EBDD5E01989812@vendac04.uk.venda> References: <3BAA39A27D828743801B867D00EBDD5E01989812@vendac04.uk.venda> Message-ID: <71DA113F-8492-4B21-A487-798FEBC9F331@gmail.com> Python Developer - Permanent * fed up with your current role ? * frustrated that your skills and abilities are not being recognised ? * want something better, more interesting ? 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