From will at willmcgugan.com Thu Dec 1 10:21:29 2005 From: will at willmcgugan.com (Will McGugan) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:21:29 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per In-Reply-To: <3945FCE4ADA5554081F9AD5469652901027B5A42@server-01> References: <3945FCE4ADA5554081F9AD5469652901027B5A42@server-01> Message-ID: <438EC099.3080109@willmcgugan.com> Rakesh Thakrar wrote: >Due to further expansion our client, a cutting edge software development >company that has applied novel technological approaches to produce an >excitingly different data management system, is seeking to recruit 3 >software developers of any level to work as a Python Developer. >Candidate Requirements: >Graduates or Junior developers must be able to show an interest in Open >Source Technology. >Mid level / Senior candidates must show a solid track record in commercial >software development with any of the following languages: Smalltalk, Lisp, >C++, Java, J2EE, Perl, Ruby, Haskel, Python as well as exposure to >Linux/Unix, and show some outside interest of Python/Open Source >technologies. >Salary Range: ?18-50K + Benefits (Relocation package available) > > Hi, I may be interested in this. I've worked with Python for 4+ years, profesionaly. It has also been my hobby lately - I have produced several applications and a website in Python. Can you tell me where they are located? Regards, Will McGugan From mike at pcblokes.com Thu Dec 1 10:35:30 2005 From: mike at pcblokes.com (Michael Foord) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:35:30 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per In-Reply-To: <438EC099.3080109@willmcgugan.com> References: <3945FCE4ADA5554081F9AD5469652901027B5A42@server-01> <438EC099.3080109@willmcgugan.com> Message-ID: <438EC3E2.3070801@pcblokes.com> Will McGugan wrote: > Rakesh Thakrar wrote: > > >>Due to further expansion our client, a cutting edge software development >>company that has applied novel technological approaches to produce an >>excitingly different data management system, is seeking to recruit 3 >>software developers of any level to work as a Python Developer. >>Candidate Requirements: >>Graduates or Junior developers must be able to show an interest in Open >>Source Technology. >>Mid level / Senior candidates must show a solid track record in commercial >>software development with any of the following languages: Smalltalk, Lisp, >>C++, Java, J2EE, Perl, Ruby, Haskel, Python as well as exposure to >>Linux/Unix, and show some outside interest of Python/Open Source >>technologies. >>Salary Range: ?18-50K + Benefits (Relocation package available) >> I'm also interested in location. I'd be interested in a junior developer position, but am not keen to relocate. All the best, Michael Foord (Fuzzyman) http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml >> > > Hi, > > I may be interested in this. I've worked with Python for 4+ years, > profesionaly. It has also been my hobby lately - I have produced several > applications and a website in Python. > > Can you tell me where they are located? > > Regards, > > Will McGugan > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > From rakesh.thakrar at microcom.ltd.uk Thu Dec 1 10:52:29 2005 From: rakesh.thakrar at microcom.ltd.uk (Rakesh Thakrar) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:52:29 -0000 Subject: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per Message-ID: <3945FCE4ADA5554081F9AD5469652901027B5BB9@server-01> I have positions available in West Sussex, London and Scotland. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards Rakesh -----Original Message----- From: Michael Foord [mailto:mike at pcblokes.com] Sent: 01 December 2005 09:36 To: UK Python Users Subject: Re: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per Will McGugan wrote: > Rakesh Thakrar wrote: > > >>Due to further expansion our client, a cutting edge software development >>company that has applied novel technological approaches to produce an >>excitingly different data management system, is seeking to recruit 3 >>software developers of any level to work as a Python Developer. >>Candidate Requirements: >>Graduates or Junior developers must be able to show an interest in Open >>Source Technology. >>Mid level / Senior candidates must show a solid track record in commercial >>software development with any of the following languages: Smalltalk, Lisp, >>C++, Java, J2EE, Perl, Ruby, Haskel, Python as well as exposure to >>Linux/Unix, and show some outside interest of Python/Open Source >>technologies. >>Salary Range: ?18-50K + Benefits (Relocation package available) >> I'm also interested in location. I'd be interested in a junior developer position, but am not keen to relocate. All the best, Michael Foord (Fuzzyman) http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml >> > > Hi, > > I may be interested in this. I've worked with Python for 4+ years, > profesionaly. It has also been my hobby lately - I have produced several > applications and a website in Python. > > Can you tell me where they are located? > > Regards, > > Will McGugan > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list python-uk at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From rakesh.thakrar at microcom.ltd.uk Thu Dec 1 10:53:17 2005 From: rakesh.thakrar at microcom.ltd.uk (Rakesh Thakrar) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:53:17 -0000 Subject: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per Message-ID: <3945FCE4ADA5554081F9AD5469652901027B5BBB@server-01> I have position available in West Sussex, London and Scotland. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards Rakesh -----Original Message----- From: Will McGugan [mailto:will at willmcgugan.com] Sent: 01 December 2005 09:21 To: UK Python Users Subject: Re: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per Rakesh Thakrar wrote: >Due to further expansion our client, a cutting edge software development >company that has applied novel technological approaches to produce an >excitingly different data management system, is seeking to recruit 3 >software developers of any level to work as a Python Developer. >Candidate Requirements: >Graduates or Junior developers must be able to show an interest in Open >Source Technology. >Mid level / Senior candidates must show a solid track record in commercial >software development with any of the following languages: Smalltalk, Lisp, >C++, Java, J2EE, Perl, Ruby, Haskel, Python as well as exposure to >Linux/Unix, and show some outside interest of Python/Open Source >technologies. >Salary Range: ?18-50K + Benefits (Relocation package available) > > Hi, I may be interested in this. I've worked with Python for 4+ years, profesionaly. It has also been my hobby lately - I have produced several applications and a website in Python. Can you tell me where they are located? Regards, Will McGugan _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list python-uk at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From python-uk at andreweland.org Thu Dec 1 14:45:26 2005 From: python-uk at andreweland.org (Andrew Eland) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:45:26 +0100 Subject: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per In-Reply-To: <438EC099.3080109@willmcgugan.com> References: <3945FCE4ADA5554081F9AD5469652901027B5A42@server-01> <438EC099.3080109@willmcgugan.com> Message-ID: <55dfc1400512010545s7ecfc3e5w28501dbdd03b59bc@mail.gmail.com> Hi, While we're mentioning job offers, I feel compelled to point out: http://www.google.co.uk/jobs/openings.html#mwsd Although it wouldn't be exclusively Python, there'd be some. -- Andrew From rakesh.thakrar at microcom.ltd.uk Thu Dec 1 14:56:27 2005 From: rakesh.thakrar at microcom.ltd.uk (Rakesh Thakrar) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:56:27 -0000 Subject: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per Message-ID: <3945FCE4ADA5554081F9AD5469652901027B5D24@server-01> Thanks. Rakesh -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Eland [mailto:python-uk at andreweland.org] Sent: 01 December 2005 13:45 To: UK Python Users Subject: Re: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per Hi, While we're mentioning job offers, I feel compelled to point out: http://www.google.co.uk/jobs/openings.html#mwsd Although it wouldn't be exclusively Python, there'd be some. -- Andrew _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list python-uk at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From pclinch at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 23:33:04 2005 From: pclinch at gmail.com (paul) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:33:04 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] =?iso-8859-1?q?Are_you_looking_for_a_new_exciting_opp?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ortunity_as_a_Python_Develo=09per?= In-Reply-To: <3945FCE4ADA5554081F9AD5469652901027B5A42@server-01> References: <3945FCE4ADA5554081F9AD5469652901027B5A42@server-01> Message-ID: <200512012233.04337.pclinch@internet-glue.co.uk> On Wednesday 30 November 2005 15:08, Rakesh Thakrar wrote: > Due to further expansion our client, a cutting edge software development > company that has applied novel technological approaches to produce an > excitingly different data management system, is seeking to recruit 3 > software developers of any level to work as a Python Developer. > Candidate Requirements: > Graduates or Junior developers must be able to show an interest in Open > Source Technology. > Mid level / Senior candidates must show a solid track record in commercial > software development with any of the following languages: Smalltalk, Lisp, > C++, Java, J2EE, Perl, Ruby, Haskel, Python as well as exposure to > Linux/Unix, and show some outside interest of Python/Open Source > technologies. > Salary Range: ?18-50K + Benefits (Relocation package available) > > Regards > Rakesh Dear Rakesh, certainly I am, but I guess this is a company that has decided not to use me. Regards, Paul C. > > ___________________________ > Rakesh Thakrar > Senior Consultant > Microcom Limited > Recruitment Division > 2 Adelaide Street > St. Albans > Herts, AL3 5BH > Tel: 01727 752 000 > Mob: 079 7094 3227 > Fax: 01727 752 018 > www.microcom.ltd.uk > ____________________________________ > > *************************************************************************** >* ********************* > The views expressed in this e-mail are not necessarily the views of > Worldwide Recruitment Holdings Ltd, its directors, officers or employees > make no representation or accept any liability for its accuracy or > completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary. > This e-mail, and any attachments are strictly confidential and intended for > the addressee(s) only. > The content may also contain legal, professional or other privileged > information. 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Rakesh -----Original Message----- From: paul [mailto:pclinch at gmail.com] Sent: 01 December 2005 22:33 To: UK Python Users Subject: Re: [python-uk] Are you looking for a new exciting opportunity as a Python Develo per On Wednesday 30 November 2005 15:08, Rakesh Thakrar wrote: > Due to further expansion our client, a cutting edge software development > company that has applied novel technological approaches to produce an > excitingly different data management system, is seeking to recruit 3 > software developers of any level to work as a Python Developer. > Candidate Requirements: > Graduates or Junior developers must be able to show an interest in Open > Source Technology. > Mid level / Senior candidates must show a solid track record in commercial > software development with any of the following languages: Smalltalk, Lisp, > C++, Java, J2EE, Perl, Ruby, Haskel, Python as well as exposure to > Linux/Unix, and show some outside interest of Python/Open Source > technologies. > Salary Range: ?18-50K + Benefits (Relocation package available) > > Regards > Rakesh Dear Rakesh, certainly I am, but I guess this is a company that has decided not to use me. Regards, Paul C. > > ___________________________ > Rakesh Thakrar > Senior Consultant > Microcom Limited > Recruitment Division > 2 Adelaide Street > St. Albans > Herts, AL3 5BH > Tel: 01727 752 000 > Mob: 079 7094 3227 > Fax: 01727 752 018 > www.microcom.ltd.uk > ____________________________________ > > *************************************************************************** >* ********************* > The views expressed in this e-mail are not necessarily the views of > Worldwide Recruitment Holdings Ltd, its directors, officers or employees > make no representation or accept any liability for its accuracy or > completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary. > This e-mail, and any attachments are strictly confidential and intended for > the addressee(s) only. > The content may also contain legal, professional or other privileged > information. 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Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005 From simon at brunningonline.net Mon Dec 5 17:59:28 2005 From: simon at brunningonline.net (Simon Brunning) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:59:28 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] London Python meetup, January 2006 Message-ID: <8c7f10c60512050859w26de1554l6b4c471a128d99bb@mail.gmail.com> And don't forget this month's event: -- Cheers, Simon B, simon at brunningonline.net, http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ From staff at walletandbill.com Fri Dec 9 10:07:28 2005 From: staff at walletandbill.com (webmistress) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:07:28 -0000 Subject: [python-uk] Link Exchange Opportunity Message-ID: <00b301c5fc9f$fae3f450$0201a8c0@laptop> Hi I visited your website today and I was impressed by the quality and I'd like us to exchange links. 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Message-ID: <8c7f10c60512120442u5e0f4030ofe4bbc006b2d19c@mail.gmail.com> From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Dec 14 08:41:15 2005 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:41:15 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python Message-ID: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> I often have to write small web databases - nothing too fancy, just a table or 2 and a few forms/reports. Sometimes it's just a web frontend to a program othertimes more like a database for tracking items. I have used Python and MySQL in CGI but it seems quite long winded. I have used Zope/Plone but it is quite a heavyweight solution for a small app and quite slow unless you do a lot of caching. I have looked at Ruby/Rails but it seems a shame to loose what experience I have in Python by switching to a new language. Does anyone have any experience in this field and/or can suggest what I might try or look at to continue developing in Python? TIA Simon From andy at reportlab.com Wed Dec 14 09:05:41 2005 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:05:41 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <439FD255.5000602@reportlab.com> Simon Faulkner wrote: > I often have to write small web databases - nothing too fancy, just a > table or 2 and a few forms/reports. Sometimes it's just a web frontend > to a program othertimes more like a database for tracking items. > > I have used Python and MySQL in CGI but it seems quite long winded. > > I have used Zope/Plone but it is quite a heavyweight solution for a > small app and quite slow unless you do a lot of caching. > > I have looked at Ruby/Rails but it seems a shame to loose what > experience I have in Python by switching to a new language. > > Does anyone have any experience in this field and/or can suggest what I > might try or look at to continue developing in Python? > CGI is only longwinded if you do it all from scratch; there are many nice frameworks and paradigms to give you a head start. I have been playing with Django (www.djangoproject.com) and it's beautiful. You essentially declare the database schema in the Python model, and you get a very nice web interface for add/edit/delete stuff autogenerated for you. Be prepared to spend half a day setting up though. The other well-documented approach at the moment is Turbogears which includes CherryPy for the web app and SQLObject for database management. Nothing 'for free' but a very clean approach. Hope this helps, - Andy Robinson From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Dec 14 09:32:12 2005 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:32:12 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <439FD255.5000602@reportlab.com> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> <439FD255.5000602@reportlab.com> Message-ID: <439FD88C.1010007@titanic.co.uk> Andy Robinson wrote: > CGI is only longwinded if you do it all from scratch; there > are many nice frameworks and paradigms to give you a head start. > > I have been playing with Django (www.djangoproject.com) and it's > beautiful. You essentially declare the database schema in the > Python model, and you get a very nice web interface for add/edit/delete > stuff autogenerated for you. Be prepared to spend half a day > setting up though. > > The other well-documented approach at the moment is Turbogears > which includes CherryPy for the web app and SQLObject for > database management. Nothing 'for free' but a very clean > approach. Cheers Andy, Just the sort of advice I am looking for. I have just written a Sage Line 100 front-end so engineers can enter jobs on a GPRS PDA. It works wonderfully but it's hard adding extra functionality because it's all raw python and cgi. If I change the database I have to troll the whole app! I will go and take a read now ty... Sim From mike at pcblokes.com Wed Dec 14 09:33:49 2005 From: mike at pcblokes.com (Michael Foord) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:33:49 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <439FD8ED.6040003@pcblokes.com> Simon Faulkner wrote: > I often have to write small web databases - nothing too fancy, just a > table or 2 and a few forms/reports. Sometimes it's just a web frontend > to a program othertimes more like a database for tracking items. > > I have used Python and MySQL in CGI but it seems quite long winded. > > I have used Zope/Plone but it is quite a heavyweight solution for a > small app and quite slow unless you do a lot of caching. > > I have looked at Ruby/Rails but it seems a shame to loose what > experience I have in Python by switching to a new language. > > Does anyone have any experience in this field and/or can suggest what I > might try or look at to continue developing in Python? I'm surprised you haven't had a flood of emails replying to this. :-) The usual choices (with Python) are : Turbogears Subway Django Karrigell (plus others - albatross ?) For smaller apps Karrigell probably has the easiest learning curve. Turbogears and subway are both based on the CherryPy application server, which has a very good reputation. Turbogears probably has the most active user community and momentum. Django uses it's own ORM (database) - but has very good, ready built, admin/authentication systems. It's a cross between an application server and CMS, so more obviously suited to applications that lean in that direction. The above solutions are *basically* multi-threaded solutions (although turbogears can run as multi process and karrigell can run in asynchronous mode I believe). A *great* option - that doesn't seem to be getting much mileage at the moment - is a Twisted based solution. In conjunction with Axiom (database) and Nevow (templating) and possibly even Mantissa (ready built application server under heavy development) it is an asynchronous solution that is highly scalable. I hope that helps. Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml > > TIA > > Simon > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > From tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk Wed Dec 14 10:12:56 2005 From: tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:12:56 -0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python Message-ID: <9A28C052FF32734DACB0A288A3533991044D240A@vogbs009.gb.vo.local> [Michael Foord] > Simon Faulkner wrote: [... snip re web app ...] > I'm surprised you haven't had a flood of emails replying to this. :-) Might be worth pointing out to Simon that this is the UK Python list, and while I'm quite you'll get helpful answers, this list tends to be used for very UK-specific things such as meetups, jobs etc. Not saying there's anything wrong with posting general Python questions here; just that you'll probably get a wider response from the main Python mailing list / newsgroup / Google Group (they all mirror to each other, so take your pick): http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list usenet - comp.lang.python http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python?hl=en Tim Golden ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Dec 14 10:29:36 2005 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:29:36 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <9A28C052FF32734DACB0A288A3533991044D240A@vogbs009.gb.vo.local> References: <9A28C052FF32734DACB0A288A3533991044D240A@vogbs009.gb.vo.local> Message-ID: <439FE600.9080905@titanic.co.uk> >>I'm surprised you haven't had a flood of emails replying to this. :-) Ha ha! Everyone has their favorite! > Might be worth pointing out to Simon that this is the > UK Python list, and while I'm quite you'll get > helpful answers, this list tends to be used for very > UK-specific things such as meetups, jobs etc. Not > saying there's anything wrong with posting general > Python questions here; just that you'll probably get > a wider response from the main Python mailing list / > newsgroup / Google Group (they all mirror to each other, > so take your pick): Cheers Tim, I appreciate the difference but also find that I sometimes get a more measured, mature response from the UK specific groups without anyone yelling "Like, d00d, use PHP man!" I am also hoping to get to attend a Python event or 2 and thought I would like to know who's who before pitching up. Are there any event's 'ooop north'? Sim From doug at isotoma.com Wed Dec 14 10:33:11 2005 From: doug at isotoma.com (Doug Winter) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:33:11 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <439FD8ED.6040003@pcblokes.com> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> <439FD8ED.6040003@pcblokes.com> Message-ID: <439FE6D7.3000709@isotoma.com> Michael Foord wrote: > A *great* option - that doesn't seem to be getting much mileage at the > moment - is a Twisted based solution. In conjunction with Axiom > (database) and Nevow (templating) and possibly even Mantissa (ready > built application server under heavy development) it is an asynchronous > solution that is highly scalable. +1 for that, although it isn't for the faint of heart. twisted.web, nevow and axiom is a really fabulous system for building web apps, and the guys in #twisted.web are very helpful. It's probably almost completely unlike anything you have ever used before though. Cheers, Doug. -- doug at isotoma.com / Isotoma, Open Source Software Consulting Tel: 020 7620 1446 / Mobile: 07879 423002 / Fax: 020 79006980 Skype: dougwinter / http://www.isotoma.com Lincoln House, 75 Westminster Bridge Road, London, SE1 7HS From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk Wed Dec 14 11:29:51 2005 From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Fuzzyman) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:29:51 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <439FD8ED.6040003@pcblokes.com> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> <439FD8ED.6040003@pcblokes.com> Message-ID: <439FF41F.2050808@voidspace.org.uk> Michael Foord wrote: > Simon Faulkner wrote: [snip..] > The usual choices (with Python) are : > > Turbogears > Subway > Django > Karrigell > (plus others - albatross ?) > Oh... not forgetting the 'not-quite-vapourware' web.py, which they have just used to rewrite reddit.com :-) I'm sure there are plenty more as well. All the best, Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml >> > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > From tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk Wed Dec 14 10:48:37 2005 From: tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:48:37 -0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python Message-ID: <9A28C052FF32734DACB0A288A3533991044D240C@vogbs009.gb.vo.local> [Simon Faulkner] | [Tim Golden] | > Might be worth pointing out to Simon that this is the | > UK Python list, and while I'm quite you'll get | > helpful answers, this list tends to be used for very | > UK-specific things such as meetups, jobs etc. Not | > saying there's anything wrong with posting general | > Python questions here; just that you'll probably get | > a wider response from the main Python mailing list / | > newsgroup / Google Group (they all mirror to each other, | > so take your pick): | | I appreciate the difference but also find that I sometimes get a more | measured, mature response from the UK specific groups without anyone | yelling "Like, d00d, use PHP man!" My own experience is that the main Python group is remarkably mature and uninfested with script-kiddies and so on. I wouldn't say there are never spats, but even those tend to be remarkably controlled, and often informative (in a heated kind of way). By all means stick to the UK list, but you might want to dip your toe in the waters of the main list just to see... | Are there any event's 'ooop north'? There was talk of one recently, can't remember where, in addition to the usual Oxford one. (Which I've never managed to get to!) Does this mean you're based up there (says the Londoner). 'Cos we seem to be going through a phase of regular meetups in London at the moment, ie getting together in a pub along with various other interested parties. You might want to come along... or organise a northern equivalent! TJG ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Dec 14 13:45:46 2005 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:45:46 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <9A28C052FF32734DACB0A288A3533991044D240C@vogbs009.gb.vo.local> References: <9A28C052FF32734DACB0A288A3533991044D240C@vogbs009.gb.vo.local> Message-ID: <43A013FA.6090105@titanic.co.uk> > My own experience is that the main Python group is > remarkably mature and uninfested with script-kiddies > and so on. I wouldn't say there are never spats, but > even those tend to be remarkably controlled, and often > informative (in a heated kind of way). By all means > stick to the UK list, but you might want to dip your > toe in the waters of the main list just to see... You are correct of course. In fact, I usually get the correct answer to my programming problems within minutes. > There was talk of one recently, can't remember > where, in addition to the usual Oxford one. > (Which I've never managed to get to!) > Does this mean you're based up there (says the > Londoner). 'Cos we seem to be going through > a phase of regular meetups in London at the > moment, ie getting together in a pub along > with various other interested parties. You > might want to come along... or organise a > northern equivalent! I'm in staffordshire. I might take a trip to Oxford next year :-) From tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk Wed Dec 14 14:32:32 2005 From: tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:32:32 -0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python Message-ID: <9A28C052FF32734DACB0A288A3533991044D240F@vogbs009.gb.vo.local> [Simon Faulkner] | | [re my suggestion to use c.l.py] | | You are correct of course. In fact, I usually get the | correct answer to my programming problems within minutes. Ah yes. Now I take the trouble to Google a bit, you obviously *have* used the main list. Sorry, I took you for someone who'd mistakenly thought that python-uk was the English-speaking version of the main Python list (or something). TJG ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ From andy at reportlab.com Wed Dec 14 11:11:16 2005 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:11:16 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <439FE600.9080905@titanic.co.uk> References: <9A28C052FF32734DACB0A288A3533991044D240A@vogbs009.gb.vo.local> <439FE600.9080905@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <439FEFC4.5080701@reportlab.com> > I appreciate the difference but also find that I sometimes get a more > measured, mature response from the UK specific groups without anyone > yelling "Like, d00d, use PHP man!" As one of the respondents I maintain that this group has a superb signal-to-noise ratio and gives correct answers to reasonable questions almost instantly ;-) > I am also hoping to get to attend a Python event or 2 and thought I > would like to know who's who before pitching up. > > Are there any event's 'ooop north'? John Pinner has been hinting at organising a proper community conference in Birmingham next autumn, which is probably half way for some peoples' definitions of North. John, is this still looking likely? - Andy Robinson From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Dec 14 17:21:52 2005 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:21:52 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <439FEFC4.5080701@reportlab.com> References: <9A28C052FF32734DACB0A288A3533991044D240A@vogbs009.gb.vo.local> <439FE600.9080905@titanic.co.uk> <439FEFC4.5080701@reportlab.com> Message-ID: <43A046A0.7080507@titanic.co.uk> > As one of the respondents I maintain that this group has a superb > signal-to-noise ratio and gives correct answers to reasonable questions > almost instantly ;-) You are correct. One of the best things about Python :-) > John Pinner has been hinting at organising a proper community > conference in Birmingham next autumn, which is probably half way for > some peoples' definitions of North. John, is this still looking likely? Sounds like fun... From chris at simplistix.co.uk Thu Dec 15 12:20:46 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:20:46 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <439FD88C.1010007@titanic.co.uk> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> <439FD255.5000602@reportlab.com> <439FD88C.1010007@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <43A1518E.8010603@simplistix.co.uk> Simon Faulkner wrote: > functionality because it's all raw python and cgi. If I change the > database I have to troll the whole app! Well, you are using an OO language, it is kinda up to you to take advantage of it and make sure the SQL is maintained in some central place so you can easilly change databases ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From chris at simplistix.co.uk Thu Dec 15 12:12:32 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:12:32 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <43A14FA0.4000603@simplistix.co.uk> Simon Faulkner wrote: > > I have used Zope/Plone but it is quite a heavyweight solution for a > small app and quite slow unless you do a lot of caching. Well, what you say applies to Plone ;-) Zope can be pretty lightweight if you just use plane ZPT, python scripts and ZSQL methods. When building those kinds of apps, I've never needed to do any explicit caching. But, for what you're talking about here, maybe running a seperate appserver is a step too far... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From simon at titanic.co.uk Thu Dec 15 12:49:50 2005 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:49:50 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <43A1518E.8010603@simplistix.co.uk> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> <439FD255.5000602@reportlab.com> <439FD88C.1010007@titanic.co.uk> <43A1518E.8010603@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <43A1585E.2040303@titanic.co.uk> >>functionality because it's all raw python and cgi. If I change the >>database I have to troll the whole app! > > > Well, you are using an OO language, it is kinda up to you to take > advantage of it and make sure the SQL is maintained in some central > place so you can easilly change databases ;-) I think I still use Python too much like basic :-( From simon at titanic.co.uk Thu Dec 15 13:03:12 2005 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:03:12 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <43A14FA0.4000603@simplistix.co.uk> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> <43A14FA0.4000603@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <43A15B80.9040302@titanic.co.uk> > Zope can be pretty lightweight if you just use plane ZPT, python scripts > and ZSQL methods. When building those kinds of apps, I've never needed > to do any explicit caching. Yeah! But you've got 'Asbestos Underwear'! LOL Just read your "Living Hell" presentation - wished I could hear the whole thing. Opened my eyes a little. I only use Plone as a simple Intranet server although I have played about with my own site in Plone as an experiment. It's a complicated world out there... From chris at simplistix.co.uk Fri Dec 16 10:48:31 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:48:31 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <43A1585E.2040303@titanic.co.uk> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> <439FD255.5000602@reportlab.com> <439FD88C.1010007@titanic.co.uk> <43A1518E.8010603@simplistix.co.uk> <43A1585E.2040303@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <43A28D6F.3050400@simplistix.co.uk> Simon Faulkner wrote: >>Well, you are using an OO language, it is kinda up to you to take >>advantage of it and make sure the SQL is maintained in some central >>place so you can easilly change databases ;-) > > I think I still use Python too much like basic :-( *slap* *slap* snap out of it man, you have a fully featured OO language here, it's there to make your life easier ;-) *grinz* Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From chris at simplistix.co.uk Fri Dec 16 10:51:12 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:51:12 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <43A15B80.9040302@titanic.co.uk> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> <43A14FA0.4000603@simplistix.co.uk> <43A15B80.9040302@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <43A28E10.3020903@simplistix.co.uk> Simon Faulkner wrote: >>Zope can be pretty lightweight if you just use plane ZPT, python scripts >>and ZSQL methods. When building those kinds of apps, I've never needed >>to do any explicit caching. > > Yeah! But you've got 'Asbestos Underwear'! LOL > > Just read your "Living Hell" presentation - wished I could hear the > whole thing. Ah yes, it was certainly interesting giving that talk at the Plone Conference. It's confusing really, the people in the Plone community mainly came from the original "Zope Community" and they're great people. Just makes me wonder why they rally around such shitty software ;-) > Opened my eyes a little. I only use Plone as a simple Intranet server > although I have played about with my own site in Plone as an experiment. ...which is about all you can use it for without having to really think hard about scalability. That's what it looses over plain Zope... Plain Zope will scale a fair old way, and even when you need to take it further, it's not "hard", you just throw more boxes into the cluster or add some "standard" front end caching with something like squid. > It's a complicated world out there... Only when made so by certain "Froducts" ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From andy at reportlab.com Fri Dec 16 12:10:53 2005 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:10:53 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Web Development with Python In-Reply-To: <43A28E10.3020903@simplistix.co.uk> References: <439FCC9B.9050805@titanic.co.uk> <43A14FA0.4000603@simplistix.co.uk> <43A15B80.9040302@titanic.co.uk> <43A28E10.3020903@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <43A2A0BD.7020604@reportlab.com> Chris Withers wrote: > It's confusing really, the people in the Plone community > mainly came from the original "Zope Community" and they're great people. It's confusing really, the people in the Zope community mainly came from the original "Python Community" and they're great people. I'll stop there ;-) - Andy From jaricjaricu at yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 04:21:25 2005 From: jaricjaricu at yahoo.com (jaric) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:21:25 -0500 Subject: [python-uk] (no subject) Message-ID: <200512190321.jBJ3LPFH007997@host4.successfulhosting.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/attachments/20051218/563b5934/attachment.html From mike at pcblokes.com Fri Dec 23 11:12:35 2005 From: mike at pcblokes.com (mike@pcblokes.com) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:12:35 +0000 Subject: [python-uk] Job Hunting Message-ID: {emo;restart} I'm now *officially* looking for work as a programmer. {sm;:-)} I'd prefer to work with `Python `_, doing web development (*not* web-design, which is another kettle of fish). But I'm willing to learn (more-or-less) any language/development environment [#]_. Money isn't particularly an issue, but I'm looking for work in the Northampton (UK) area. I'm also looking for work four days a week, so I can stick with my job at the `Jesus Centre `_. These factors could limit my choices. I'm definitely worth it though. {sm;:lol:} I need to polish up my `CV `_ before I start submitting it to local companies. There are a lot more computer firms in the area than I expected. .. [#] I would rather not have to learn Java or Perl if I can avoid it - but {acro;ASP;Active Server Pages} or {acro;PHP;Personal Home Page} would be fine. They seem fairly ubiquitous in the world of commercial web development. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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