From mzubdidwa at smith.edu Mon Mar 1 06:43:39 2004 From: mzubdidwa at smith.edu (Lela Garza) Date: Mon Mar 1 06:47:01 2004 Subject: [python-uk] I had no idea this could be done Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/attachments/20040301/05559e7b/attachment.html From FSIOZQNZJMZYRH at x.age.ne.jp Tue Mar 2 07:39:02 2004 From: FSIOZQNZJMZYRH at x.age.ne.jp (Deirdre Pryor) Date: Tue Mar 2 07:45:55 2004 Subject: [python-uk] subject Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/attachments/20040302/d1724d9b/attachment.html From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Tue Mar 2 09:16:18 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Tue Mar 2 09:17:53 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C32EEA2C@sbserver.shaws.local> Hi, I recently went into a bookshop in London (Blackwell's Charing X Road) to look through 'Python Programming on Win32' by Mark Hammond and Andy Robinson. Couldn't find it so asked an assistant whether it was in stock or due to be ordered in. He looked it up on his screen and then remarked that they probably wouldn't bother getting it in unless I specifically ordered it as it was 4 years old and probably out of date. So my question is, can anyone on this list actually recommend/not recommend this book? If not, are there any alternative references to help develop Python code on Windows platforms? Cheers, Francis. 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From tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk Tue Mar 2 09:21:01 2004 From: tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Tue Mar 2 09:21:40 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 Message-ID: >So my question is, can anyone on this list actually recommend/not >recommend this book? >If not, are there any alternative references to help develop >Python code >on Windows >platforms? > >Cheers, >Francis. In essence, definitely worth recommending for anyone doing Python on Win32. I have a copy which I don't use much at the moment. If you'd like, I'm happy to lend it to you to see if it's of any use for you. (I live and work in London). TJG ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Tue Mar 2 09:25:44 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Tue Mar 2 09:27:12 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EBF@sbserver.shaws.local> Tim, That's very kind of you. And very prompt ;-) I'd be more than happy for you to send the book to me (at my expense), for me to peruse it and and then return it at some point. If you're in agreeance I'll email you my address offline. Cheers, Francis. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please notify us by e-mail or by telephone (+44(0) 1322 621100) and then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. This communication is from Shaw & Sons Limited whose registered office is at Shaway House, 21 Bourne Park, Bourne Road, Crayford, Kent DA1 4BZ. The views expressed in this communication may not be the views held by Shaw & Sons Limited. This message has been checked for all known viruses by McAfee VirusScan. From toby at thetobe.com Tue Mar 2 09:24:37 2004 From: toby at thetobe.com (Toby Watson) Date: Tue Mar 2 09:29:13 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C32EEA2C@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: <559159FA-6C55-11D8-85F1-000A957FF402@thetobe.com> Hi, Hmmm. I don't actually think the book is that out of date. Lots of the stuff about Mark Hammond's Win32 extensions is still relevant. However I would say that it is missing coverage in some places. I find wxPython easier and of course more portable than developing Win32 apps with the procedural Win32 API or PythonWin. ctypes should be included in any revision. It's really cool for accessing all odd Windows APIs that no one has wrappered yet. You can also access COM frameworks that don't support automation with some effort, like DirectShow for example. http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/ctypes/ It depends what you want to do really, doesn't it always? I guess if you had specific lines of enquiry the list would be glad to help. cheers, Toby On Tuesday, March 2, 2004, at 02:16 pm, Francis Moore wrote: > Hi, > > I recently went into a bookshop in London (Blackwell's Charing X Road) > to look through 'Python Programming on Win32' by Mark Hammond and > Andy Robinson. Couldn't find it so asked an assistant whether it was > in stock or due to be ordered in. He looked it up on his screen and > then > > remarked that they probably wouldn't bother getting it in unless I > specifically ordered it as it was 4 years old and probably out of date. > > So my question is, can anyone on this list actually recommend/not > recommend this book? > If not, are there any alternative references to help develop Python > code > on Windows > platforms? > > Cheers, > Francis. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This communication contains information which is confidential and may > also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended > recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that > any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited. 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I would recommend it highly as a must-have on your bookshelf if you;re in the windows space! I just checked - it's available from amazon.co.uk ?17.47 3-4 day delivery. Tim --- Francis Moore wrote: > Hi, > > I recently went into a bookshop in London > (Blackwell's Charing X Road) > to look through 'Python Programming on Win32' by > Mark Hammond and > Andy Robinson. Couldn't find it so asked an > assistant whether it was > in stock or due to be ordered in. He looked it up on > his screen and then > > remarked that they probably wouldn't bother getting > it in unless I > specifically ordered it as it was 4 years old and > probably out of date. > > So my question is, can anyone on this list actually > recommend/not > recommend this book? > If not, are there any alternative references to help > develop Python code > on Windows > platforms? > > Cheers, > Francis. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This communication contains information which is > confidential and may > also be privileged. 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Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk Tue Mar 2 10:02:35 2004 From: tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Tue Mar 2 10:03:07 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Francis Moore [mailto:Francis.Moore@shaws.co.uk] > >Hi, > >I recently went into a bookshop in London (Blackwell's Charing X Road) >to look through 'Python Programming on Win32' by Mark Hammond and >Andy Robinson. Couldn't find it so asked an assistant whether it was >in stock or due to be ordered in. He looked it up on his >screen and then > >remarked that they probably wouldn't bother getting it in unless I >specifically ordered it as it was 4 years old and probably out >of date. While I think of it, a very good London place for computer books is the Holborn computer bookshop (or whatever it's called). Its website is at: http://www.holbornbooks.co.uk/ and it's just off Southampton Row, a minute's walk from Holborn station. TJG ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ From andy at reportlab.com Tue Mar 2 10:24:01 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Tue Mar 2 10:24:33 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C32EEA2C@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: <20040302152440.9B0AA144D67@smtp.uk.colt.net> > So my question is, can anyone on this list actually > recommend/not recommend this book? Err, yes but I am highly biased - I still get a couple of hundred dollars in royalties each quarter :-) The main thing it does NOT cover is .NET. I think almost everything else still works and is relevant if you are working on Windows and/or working with COM. There is some minor 'inaccuracy creep' i.e. one or two directories in Python 2.3 installation are different to Python 1.5.2, and of course Mark has continued to add more demos and utilities to Pythonwin. > If not, are there any alternative references to help develop > Python code on Windows platforms? > Not as far as I know; bits in several other books but no major alternative books for Python on Windows. Thanks, Andy Robinson (who wrote the easy bits...) From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Tue Mar 2 11:52:54 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:54:44 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EC2@sbserver.shaws.local> Tim, > I would recommend it highly as a must-have on your bookshelf if you;re > in the windows space! Ah, therein lies the problem. I have some development work to do, and I'd like to use Python to do it. But I wanted to have a look at the book to see whether what I wanted to do was possible. If it is then the book would be ideal. If it isn't then the book might become just another 'dust gatherer'. I'll look at the other Tim's copy first and then decide whether to get my own. Cheers, Francis. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). 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From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Tue Mar 2 11:55:57 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:57:25 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C32EEA31@sbserver.shaws.local> > a very good London place for computer books is the Holborn computer bookshop Funnily enough I bought Learning Python 2nd Ed from there in January. And I would normally go there. But I was in Charing X Road on some other business and popped in to Borders and Blackwells on the way home. Francis. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please notify us by e-mail or by telephone (+44(0) 1322 621100) and then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. This communication is from Shaw & Sons Limited whose registered office is at Shaway House, 21 Bourne Park, Bourne Road, Crayford, Kent DA1 4BZ. The views expressed in this communication may not be the views held by Shaw & Sons Limited. This message has been checked for all known viruses by McAfee VirusScan. From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Tue Mar 2 12:04:48 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Tue Mar 2 12:06:17 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EC3@sbserver.shaws.local> > So my question is, can anyone on this list actually > recommend/not recommend this book? > From: Andy Robinson [mailto:andy@reportlab.com] > Err, yes but I am highly biased - I still get a couple of hundred dollars in royalties each quarter :-) LOL. The main thing it does NOT cover is .NET. ... Well, I guess I won't get a more definitive answer than that ;-) Cheers, Francis. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please notify us by e-mail or by telephone (+44(0) 1322 621100) and then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. This communication is from Shaw & Sons Limited whose registered office is at Shaway House, 21 Bourne Park, Bourne Road, Crayford, Kent DA1 4BZ. The views expressed in this communication may not be the views held by Shaw & Sons Limited. This message has been checked for all known viruses by McAfee VirusScan. From phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk Wed Mar 3 17:30:03 2004 From: phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk (Phil Hornby) Date: Wed Mar 3 17:31:29 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EC3@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: >> So my question is, can anyone on this list actually >> recommend/not recommend this book? > >> From: Andy Robinson [mailto:andy@reportlab.com] > >> Err, yes but I am highly biased - I still get a couple of hundred >> dollars in royalties each quarter :-) > > LOL. > > > The main thing it does NOT cover is .NET. ... > > > Well, I guess I won't get a more definitive answer than that ;-) If you are looking at using Python with .NET then look at Mark Hammond's website (http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/) as he has some stuff about it... as he was involved in a prototype of a Python -> .NET compiler. Also have a search for Python.NET (http://zope.org/Members/Brian/PythonNet/) as some of the .NET functionality is available in this. HTH -- Phil "No plan survives contact with the enemy" From duncan.booth at suttoncourtenay.org.uk Thu Mar 4 04:29:21 2004 From: duncan.booth at suttoncourtenay.org.uk (Duncan Booth) Date: Thu Mar 4 09:29:54 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 In-Reply-To: References: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EC3@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: <4046F6F1.829.F94B02B@localhost> > If you are looking at using Python with .NET then look at Mark Hammond's > website (http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/) as he has some stuff > about it... as he was involved in a prototype of a Python -> .NET compiler. > Also have a search for Python.NET (http://zope.org/Members/Brian/PythonNet/) > as some of the .NET functionality is available in this. That prototype only runs on the Beta prior to the first release of .Net 1.0, it takes quite a bit of work just to get it to run on the released .Net. I know, because I've got a version which does run, although it has migrated some distance from Mark Hammond's. You only get a subset of Python functionality, and pystone runs about 20-25 times slower on the Mark's version and a bit faster on mine. Jim Hugunin has a version which allegedly runs some benchmarks faster than C Python, but I wouldn't hold my breath for any of these versions to see the light of day. Python.Net makes .Net classes available to the standard Python 2.3 interpreter. This means that you have a full standard Python, *and* you can use most of .Net. The main drawback though is that any call to .Net is *slow*. I tried a simple program that filled a dictionary with strings, or filled a .Net hashtable with the same strings. The calls to .Net worked out slower by a factor of 100. So, if you want to use this, try to keep tight loops either entirely in Python or entirely in .Net, don't cross the bridge too often. -- Duncan Booth duncan.booth@suttoncourtenay.org.uk month=lambda p:ord("\5\10\3\6\7\13\1\11\12\2\0\4"[124864/ ((sum([s*ord(c)for(c,s)in zip(p,(1,1,-1))])&31)+1)%12]) # Who said my code was obscure? http://dales.rmplc.co.uk/Duncan From andy at reportlab.com Thu Mar 4 20:55:54 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Thu Mar 4 20:55:58 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Some site improvements for the conference... Message-ID: My colleagues and I have had to help the ACCU with a facelift of their site, at least partially so we could credibly advertise the Open Source event. As part of this I did a better page for the Python event. This was in the last hour and somewhat sleep deprived :-) This is in a temporary review location here: http://www.reportlab.com/conferences/accu2004/python.html Comments and feedback welcome! It should move to the main site on Monday, and we should be able to refresh it easily thereafter. Best Regards, Andy Robinson CEO/Chief Architect ReportLab Europe Ltd. mobile +44-7976-355742 office +44-20-8544-8049 From andy at reportlab.com Thu Mar 4 21:06:00 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Thu Mar 4 21:06:01 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Volunteers and case studies wanted for ACCU Message-ID: It's now 6 weeks to the ACCU event and the UK Python Conference. I know many of you have registered already, and suspect others would like to but find the hundred-pounds plus a bit steep. We're going to try very hard to promote the Open Source Forum and are looking for help. (1) Interviewer/writer. Someone to do what Tom Deprez did for EuroPython: interview key speakers via email, and put the interviews on the site. This will give us an excuse to email the world about the event as each one goes up, and provide lots of useful content for the personalized programs. We would offer free admission. (2) Case Studies: the Open Source event needs case studies about Open Source adoption or migration, preferably in impressive sounding contexts. The format is likely to be a "lightning talk" on the end of the appropriate panel. Naturally we want the world to know that Python is one of the key Open Source technologies. If you have been involved in something substantial and worth talking about, let me know! The programme is here: http://www.reportlab.com/conferences/accu2004/opensource.html (note, this is a temporary location, it moves to accu.org next week) In particular I am sure there are many, many Zope applications in wide use... Best Regards, Andy Robinson CEO/Chief Architect ReportLab Europe Ltd. mobile +44-7976-355742 office +44-20-8544-8049 From subscribed at red56.co.uk Fri Mar 5 04:14:33 2004 From: subscribed at red56.co.uk (Tim Diggins) Date: Fri Mar 5 04:14:48 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 In-Reply-To: <4046F6F1.829.F94B02B@localhost> Message-ID: <00d301c40292$4646eab0$6402a8c0@tim8500> Duncan Booth wrote: > Python.Net makes .Net classes available to the standard Python 2.3 > interpreter. > The main drawback though is that any call > to .Net is *slow*. I tried a simple program that filled a dictionary > with strings, or filled a .Net hashtable with the same strings. The > calls to .Net worked out slower by a factor of 100. So, if you want > to use this, try to keep tight loops either entirely in Python or > entirely in .Net, don't cross the bridge too often. Do you think this is slower than with COM returns? I've found that the latency of COM-calls is much more significant than the data throughput, which is (I guess) saying the same thing as you did for .NET, and is (I suppose, thinking about DB connections and so on) generally true for any inter-application communications. Although the only time one has a choice between .NET and COM is (I suppose) when you're building "both sides" of a cross-application/cross-component connection... as I'm about to do, I suddenly remember. So your answer is more than academically interesting! thanks Tim PS - I learned not only the python but a lot about COM theory and Office (particularly Excel) Object model as well from the Python Programming on Win32 - would heartily recommend it (especially as most intros & reference to office object models assume you're programming in VBA within an office application environment - which changes the way you have to worry about synchronisation (or total lack of) & object reference issues...) --------------------------- Tim Diggins http://www.red56.co.uk/people/tim From lists at simplistix.co.uk Fri Mar 5 05:13:41 2004 From: lists at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Fri Mar 5 05:13:47 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python Programming on Win32 In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EC3@sbserver.shaws.local> References: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EC3@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: <404852D5.3090604@simplistix.co.uk> Francis Moore wrote: > > The main thing it does NOT cover is .NET. ... > > > Well, I guess I won't get a more definitive answer than that ;-) Chris mumbles something about "IronPython" and then wanders off... -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From ezjzfgrm at lgi.lg.co.kr Sat Mar 6 02:48:56 2004 From: ezjzfgrm at lgi.lg.co.kr (Arron Steele) Date: Fri Mar 5 23:45:34 2004 Subject: [python-uk] diplomas for sale from accredited universities Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20040318181657.67050.qmail@web60105.mail.yahoo.com> Discussion [ Home | Contents | Post | Reply | Next | Previous | Up ] --------------------------------- Re: make money fast and easy cold hard cash From: Steven J Dunbridge Category: Date: 18/04/2004 Time: 16:58 Comments This works if u live in England, America or anywhere Try it: it really does work u have nothing to lose and we all have loads of money to gain. Please try it its worth it. How to make thousands of dollars in cash overflowing your paypal account. PLEASE do not pass this up now!! https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=klaasvaak3@msn.com I thought you might be interested in making some extra free money alongside what you are already doing. After all, we could all use some extra Income, no matter what we do!$/£! How does $/£20,000 in two weeks sound? It IS possible... Maybe you have seen an older version of this $/£3 letter going around, but WHAT IF you haven't seen this NEWEST version?? 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Making a purchase with PayPal is more secure than mailing a check or giving your credit card number to a stranger. That's why over 9 MILLION people from around the world use PayPal to move money. Signing up for a PayPal account is easy. It takes only a couple of minutes. To learn more about PayPal visit the web site https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=klaasvaak3@msn.com Let's keep this honest. Please, no cheating! If you try to cheat in this program, you will only cheat yourself! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/attachments/20040318/c5eb63ca/attachment-0001.html From chris at psychofx.com Thu Mar 18 14:17:17 2004 From: chris at psychofx.com (Chris Miles) Date: Thu Mar 18 14:19:25 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup Message-ID: meetup.com is suggesting another Py UK meetup for Thursday, Apr 8. Anyone interested? Either by choosing a venue at meetup.com or just agreeing to one on this list? http://python.meetup.com/ Cheers CM -- Chris Miles http://chrismiles.info/ From drtimcouper at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 18 17:05:20 2004 From: drtimcouper at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=) Date: Thu Mar 18 17:05:23 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040318220520.24332.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I'd be happy to meet up in the London area - Paddington was a convenient spot .. but maybe it isn't now ... Tim --- Chris Miles wrote: > meetup.com is suggesting another Py UK meetup for > Thursday, Apr 8. > > Anyone interested? Either by choosing a venue at > meetup.com > or just agreeing to one on this list? > > http://python.meetup.com/ > > Cheers > CM > > -- > Chris Miles > http://chrismiles.info/ > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From lists at simplistix.co.uk Mon Mar 22 09:03:01 2004 From: lists at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Mon Mar 22 09:03:06 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: <20040318220520.24332.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20040318220520.24332.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <405EF215.5040305@simplistix.co.uk> Tim Couper wrote: > I'd be happy to meet up in the London area - > Paddington was a convenient spot .. but maybe it isn't > now ... If it's in the evening, I'd be up for trying to make it along. :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From andy at reportlab.com Mon Mar 22 18:00:10 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon Mar 22 18:00:17 2004 Subject: [python-uk] 3 weeks to go until Python-UK! Message-ID: The UK Python Conference 2004 is just 3 weeks away, at the Randolph Hotel in Oxford, April 16-17 2004 (Fri/Sat). Come and listen to top Python experts including David Ascher, Alex Martelli, Samuele Pedroni, Marc-Andre Lemburg, Chris Withers, Duncan Booth, Armin Rigo and more. http://www.accu.org/conference/python.html The event follows on from a 2-day Open Source Forum discussing the key issues in the software industry, with speakers from IBM, SuSE, MySQL, Zope (Paul Everitt), ActiveState (David Ascher) reflecting on the state and direction of Open Source Software and debating key issues such as software patents. Come and make it a week! http://www.accu.org/conference/opensource.html Python companies may be interested in our budget sponsorship package: a stand and a 10-minute lunchtime talk on the Friday or Saturday Python track for just ?200. This is an ideal chance to showcase your skills or solutions to an audience of architects and decision makers from throughout the UK software development, or to advertise your Python product. http://www.accu.org/conference/sponsorship.html Best Regards Andy Robinson UK Python Conference chair From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Tue Mar 23 11:48:44 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Tue Mar 23 11:50:58 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EDA@sbserver.shaws.local> Hi, Can anyone recommend a unit testing framework that they use? I found PyUnit on sourceforge (http://pyunit.sourceforge.net/) but it doesn't seem to have been updated in a long time (Latest release: 1.4.1, 10th August 2001). Is it still current and standard? Cheers, Francis. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. 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From phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk Tue Mar 23 11:52:48 2004 From: phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk (Phil Hornby) Date: Tue Mar 23 11:53:47 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EDA@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: PyUnit is now a part of the standard python distribution as far as I am aware - as such it is the preferred unit testing framework... I keep meaning to get around to using it... -- Phil Hornby MEng MIEE Team Leader - Product Research Accutest Limited mailto:phil.hornby@accutest.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: python-uk-bounces+phil.hornby=accutest.co.uk@python.org > [mailto:python-uk-bounces+phil.hornby=accutest.co.uk@python.org] On Behalf > Of Francis Moore > Sent: 23 March 2004 16:49 > To: UK Python Users > Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework > > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend a unit testing framework that they use? > I found PyUnit on sourceforge (http://pyunit.sourceforge.net/) but > it doesn't seem to have been updated in a long time (Latest release: > 1.4.1, 10th August 2001). > Is it still current and standard? > > Cheers, > Francis. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This communication contains information which is confidential and may > also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended > recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that > any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error please notify us by e-mail or by telephone > (+44(0) 1322 621100) and then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. > > This communication is from Shaw & Sons Limited whose registered office > is at Shaway House, 21 Bourne Park, Bourne Road, Crayford, Kent DA1 4BZ. > The views expressed in this communication may not be the views held by > Shaw & Sons Limited. > > This message has been checked for all known viruses by McAfee VirusScan. > > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From andy47 at halfcooked.com Tue Mar 23 12:16:30 2004 From: andy47 at halfcooked.com (Andy Todd) Date: Tue Mar 23 12:16:34 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EDA@sbserver.shaws.local> References: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EDA@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: <406070EE.9000104@halfcooked.com> Francis Moore wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend a unit testing framework that they use? > I found PyUnit on sourceforge (http://pyunit.sourceforge.net/) but > it doesn't seem to have been updated in a long time (Latest release: > 1.4.1, 10th August 2001). > Is it still current and standard? > > Cheers, > Francis. > The reason the pyunit web site at sourceforge hasn't been updated is because it has been part of the standard library since release 2.1; http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-unittest.html If that doesn't float your boat take a look at doctest; http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-doctest.html Regards, Andy -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the desk of Andrew J Todd esq - http://www.halfcooked.com/ From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Tue Mar 23 12:22:53 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Tue Mar 23 12:25:36 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C32EEA71@sbserver.shaws.local> From: Andy Todd [mailto:andy47@halfcooked.com] > If that doesn't float your boat take a look at doctest; > > http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-doctest.html Now *that* is cool ;-) Cheers, Francis. 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From phptbouvgs at irisz.hu Tue Mar 23 12:36:36 2004 From: phptbouvgs at irisz.hu (Jessie Morgan) Date: Tue Mar 23 19:37:55 2004 Subject: [python-uk] The complete A-Z affiliate program n oqaq Message-ID: <15uh6-o-70lxtv24se$eni0v@60qs.pq.6tfj1> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/attachments/20040323/c48fe0eb/attachment.html From stuart at stuartbishop.net Tue Mar 23 19:47:31 2004 From: stuart at stuartbishop.net (Stuart Bishop) Date: Tue Mar 23 19:47:50 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: <405EF215.5040305@simplistix.co.uk> References: <20040318220520.24332.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <405EF215.5040305@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 23/03/2004, at 1:03 AM, Chris Withers wrote: > Tim Couper wrote: > >> I'd be happy to meet up in the London area - >> Paddington was a convenient spot .. but maybe it isn't >> now ... > > If it's in the evening, I'd be up for trying to make it along. And if you have another one in May, count me in. I'll be in the UK for three months and would like to catch up with the locals. Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced dialup ISP? I'll be connected about 12 hours a day for three months. Extra points for POP's outside of London. - -- Stuart Bishop http://www.stuartbishop.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAYNqjAfqZj7rGN0oRAtV2AJ4mdgYX2HWr4McOIaWDRKwttX2KFACfeP9U L0fpAqT8XZAqisg5wCimBV4= =gKkj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andy47 at halfcooked.com Wed Mar 24 02:51:45 2004 From: andy47 at halfcooked.com (Andy Todd) Date: Wed Mar 24 02:51:52 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: References: <20040318220520.24332.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <405EF215.5040305@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <40613E11.8080901@halfcooked.com> Stuart Bishop wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On 23/03/2004, at 1:03 AM, Chris Withers wrote: > >> Tim Couper wrote: >> >>> I'd be happy to meet up in the London area - >>> Paddington was a convenient spot .. but maybe it isn't >>> now ... >> >> >> If it's in the evening, I'd be up for trying to make it along. > > > And if you have another one in May, count me in. I'll be in the UK > for three months and would like to catch up with the locals. > > Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced dialup ISP? I'll be connected > about 12 hours a day for three months. Extra points for POP's outside > of London. > > - -- Stuart Bishop > http://www.stuartbishop.net/ Welcome to the mother country ;-) As for dial-up ISPs, you may have hit a snag. Unlike in dear old Oz all telephone calls are charged on a timed basis in these parts. So instead of dialling up for 20 cents and then paying a flat rate to your ISP most casual use dial-up plans simply use a premium rate number and charge you by the minute. For occassional use I've found Intelynx (http://www.intelynx.net/intelynx.htm) useful and reliable. You can get fixed rate dial up from the major ISPs (BT/Yahoo, Freeserve, AOL, etc.) but they almost universally insist that you nominate a single number to dial from and that it be a BT line. The general price for these is around ?15 a month. It is ok if you are a single location and usually only takes a week or so to provision. Virtually all of the ISPs I have encountered cover the whole country. For an exhaustive list try; http://directory.google.com/Top/Regional/Europe/United_Kingdom/Business_and_Economy/Internet/Internet_Service_Providers/ Regards, Andy -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the desk of Andrew J Todd esq - http://www.halfcooked.com/ From andy at reportlab.com Wed Mar 24 05:01:43 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed Mar 24 05:01:47 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: <40613E11.8080901@halfcooked.com> Message-ID: > You can get fixed rate dial up from the major ISPs (BT/Yahoo, Freeserve, > AOL, etc.) but they almost universally insist that you nominate a single > number to dial from and that it be a BT line. The general price for > these is around ?15 a month. Broadband is about ?25 per month unless you are in a remote rural area - most people now pay the extra tenner. Neighbours with unsecured wireless networks are now a fast-growing and very cheap way to get online :-) - Andy From andy47 at halfcooked.com Wed Mar 24 06:10:28 2004 From: andy47 at halfcooked.com (Andy Todd) Date: Wed Mar 24 06:10:33 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40616CA4.2050600@halfcooked.com> Andy Robinson wrote: >>You can get fixed rate dial up from the major ISPs (BT/Yahoo, Freeserve, >>AOL, etc.) but they almost universally insist that you nominate a single >>number to dial from and that it be a BT line. The general price for >>these is around ?15 a month. > > > Broadband is about ?25 per month unless you are in a > remote rural area - most people now pay the extra tenner. > > Neighbours with unsecured wireless networks are now a fast-growing > and very cheap way to get online :-) > > - Andy > True, but the problem with broadband is that it is usually a minimum 12 month commitment, and Stuart said he's only here for 3. Regards, Andy -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the desk of Andrew J Todd esq - http://www.halfcooked.com/ From toby at thetobe.com Wed Mar 24 06:15:12 2004 From: toby at thetobe.com (Toby watson) Date: Wed Mar 24 06:19:49 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: <40616CA4.2050600@halfcooked.com> Message-ID: <84B69CD8-7D84-11D8-A16B-000A957FF402@thetobe.com> Hiya, Virgin do a 'no tie in', month to month service. ?25. cheers, Toby On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 11:10 am, Andy Todd wrote: > True, but the problem with broadband is that it is usually a minimum > 12 month commitment, and Stuart said he's only here for 3. From lists at simplistix.co.uk Wed Mar 24 07:44:18 2004 From: lists at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Wed Mar 24 07:44:21 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C32EEA71@sbserver.shaws.local> References: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C32EEA71@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: <406182A2.40207@simplistix.co.uk> Francis Moore wrote: > From: Andy Todd [mailto:andy47@halfcooked.com] > >>If that doesn't float your boat take a look at doctest; >> >>http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-doctest.html > > Now *that* is cool ;-) Bah humbug. I believe code should be in code, even if it is testing code. I am aware I am in the minority, however ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Wed Mar 24 09:32:25 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Wed Mar 24 09:34:40 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EDD@sbserver.shaws.local> From: Chris Withers [mailto:lists@simplistix.co.uk] > Bah humbug. Well, I didn't say it was useful. Only cool ;-) When you come from a non-Python language, where such things are nigh on impossible, anything like doctest *is* cool. > I believe code should be in code, even if it is testing code. You're right. I wouldn't want to use doctest to replace a proper set of unit tests. However, for example code or a quick hack, it's ideal. Does anyone know if this kind of thing is a feature of other dynamic interpreted languages? Or just Python? Cheers, Francis. 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From andy at reportlab.com Wed Mar 24 09:49:30 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed Mar 24 09:57:53 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EDD@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: > Does anyone know if this kind of thing is a feature of other dynamic > interpreted languages? > Or just Python? It's feasible in others, but I've only ever heard of it in Python. The key feature which makes this possible in Python is "Tim Peters" :-) - Andy From jjl at pobox.com Wed Mar 24 11:31:04 2004 From: jjl at pobox.com (John J Lee) Date: Wed Mar 24 11:30:14 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: <84B69CD8-7D84-11D8-A16B-000A957FF402@thetobe.com> References: <84B69CD8-7D84-11D8-A16B-000A957FF402@thetobe.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Toby watson wrote: > On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 11:10 am, Andy Todd wrote: > > > True, but the problem with broadband is that it is usually a minimum > > 12 month commitment, and Stuart said he's only here for 3. [...] > Virgin do a 'no tie in', month to month service. ?25. IIRC, I saw a cheaper monthly deal than that, and that was quite a while back now, so probably worth shopping around a bit. John From SBrunning at trisystems.co.uk Wed Mar 24 09:42:11 2004 From: SBrunning at trisystems.co.uk (SBrunning@trisystems.co.uk) Date: Wed Mar 24 11:32:12 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup Message-ID: <31575A892FF6D1118F5800600846864D0120110F@intrepid> > From: Andy Robinson [mailto:andy@reportlab.com] > Neighbours with unsecured wireless networks are now a fast-growing > and very cheap way to get online :-) Which reminds me, Andy; is *your* wireless network secured? I'm getting a Wi-Fi card for my notebook tomorrow, and I'm pretty close to your office. ;-) Cheers, Simon B. simon@brunningonline.net http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. TriSystems Ltd. cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the senders own. From jjl at pobox.com Wed Mar 24 11:34:18 2004 From: jjl at pobox.com (John J Lee) Date: Wed Mar 24 11:37:15 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EDD@sbserver.shaws.local> References: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EDD@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Francis Moore wrote: > From: Chris Withers [mailto:lists@simplistix.co.uk] [re doctest] > > Bah humbug. [...] > > I believe code should be in code, even if it is testing code. > > You're right. I wouldn't want to use doctest to replace a proper set of > unit tests. However, for example code or a quick hack, it's ideal. [...] Tim says it's designed for testing documentation, not for testing code (though maybe he's been persuaded it's useful for code too, by now...). John From andy at reportlab.com Wed Mar 24 11:40:17 2004 From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed Mar 24 11:40:20 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: <31575A892FF6D1118F5800600846864D0120110F@intrepid> Message-ID: > Which reminds me, Andy; is *your* wireless network secured? I'm getting a > Wi-Fi card for my notebook tomorrow, and I'm pretty close to your office. > ;-) We use wires in the office, but my suburban street has three techie dads with potential overlap so we're considering a highly redundant mega-bandwidth cluster that lets us "work" in each other's gardens on summer afternoons with cold lagers at hand. If I want the tomatoes to grow faster, which 802.11 standard is best? - Andy From phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk Wed Mar 24 11:54:06 2004 From: phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk (Phil Hornby) Date: Wed Mar 24 11:55:07 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup Message-ID: Pipex do a deal for ?19.99 + VAT which comes out to ?23.44 or some such... IIRC there is not set-up fee. Not sure about the lock-in periods... used to be 12 months when I started - 2 years ago - but now I think there is only a 1 month cancellation notice required. Also worth noting... you have no limitations on running services like web servers etc. I know some of my friends are only allows to have authenticated servers running on their ADSL... -- Phil "It's life Jim but not as we know it..." From phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk Wed Mar 24 12:12:51 2004 From: phil.hornby at accutest.co.uk (Phil Hornby) Date: Wed Mar 24 12:14:04 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup Message-ID: Oh just remembered Tiscali do a deal were you get 150 kbps for about ?15... if bandwidth isn't much of an issue might be worth looking into... -- Phil "Long live the fighters" From tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk Wed Mar 24 11:36:28 2004 From: tim.golden at viacom-outdoor.co.uk (Tim Golden) Date: Wed Mar 24 12:27:32 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup Message-ID: >On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Toby watson wrote: >> On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 11:10 am, Andy Todd wrote: >> >> > True, but the problem with broadband is that it is usually >a minimum >> > 12 month commitment, and Stuart said he's only here for 3. >[...] >> Virgin do a 'no tie in', month to month service. ?25. > >IIRC, I saw a cheaper monthly deal than that, and that was >quite a while >back now, so probably worth shopping around a bit. > Having looked at this recently, the bottom lines seem to be: 1) You're going to have to pay ~?25 / month. The ?15 / ?20 deals are generally for lower-speed broadband which is arguably not worth it. 2) In any case you need a standard (BT?) landline *as well* so the effective cost is higher. It's not as though you're just pitting your current telephone bill against a ?25/mo flat rate. I'd love to be proved wrong -- I haven't managed to justify the expense to myself for the occasional burst of speed I need. TJG ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. 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Hmm... signing up the Ancestral Semidetached? might be an option. Thanks for the leads everyone :-) - -- Stuart Bishop http://www.stuartbishop.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAYosyAfqZj7rGN0oRAhMdAJwMuJy4Kac/4HECs1p1HBIr/15nzACfTSUP dVfUQhKNPqyPxS4zbzN9E3I= =YJLm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists at simplistix.co.uk Thu Mar 25 04:20:31 2004 From: lists at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Thu Mar 25 04:20:40 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Python uk meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4062A45F.2000300@simplistix.co.uk> Andy Robinson wrote: > If I want the tomatoes to grow faster, which 802.11 standard is best? Hmmm... not sure whether microwaving your tomatoes would make them go faster, but you'll get best coverage if you go for 802.11g... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Thu Mar 25 10:48:55 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Thu Mar 25 10:51:15 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Framework Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C32EEA7D@sbserver.shaws.local> From: John J Lee [mailto:jjl@pobox.com] > Tim says it's designed for testing documentation, not for testing code > (though maybe he's been persuaded it's useful for code too, by now...). Talk of the devil ;-> The following link: http://www.python.org/pycon/dc2004/papers/4/PyCon2004DocTestUnit/ has just appeared on the Daily Python-URL. Cheers, Francis. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. 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From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Fri Mar 26 08:07:57 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Fri Mar 26 08:10:15 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Problem Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EE1@sbserver.shaws.local> Hi, Trying to get my head around Unit Testing (and Python) and I've come across a strange problem when adding some tests to the example from pyunit-1.4.1\doc\PyUnit.html. class Widget: def __init__(self, widgetname, size=(50,50)): self.name = widgetname self._size = size def func(self): return 4 def name(self): return self.name class WidgetTestCase(unittest.TestCase): def setUp(self): self.widget = Widget("The widget") def testFunc(self): assert self.widget.func() == 3, 'Invalid value' def testName(self): assert self.widget.name() == "The widget", "Invalid name" I'm getting the error "TypeError: 'str' object is not callable" when I run my test suite. It's complaining about the last line of code. However, if I take the function call brackets off (assert self.widget.name == "The widget", "Invalid name") it works fine. I expected it to work like the func() example above it. I did a search on Google for the error string, which turned up a few explanations but none which really helped. Can anyone explain what's happening? Many thanks, Francis. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please notify us by e-mail or by telephone (+44(0) 1322 621100) and then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. This communication is from Shaw & Sons Limited whose registered office is at Shaway House, 21 Bourne Park, Bourne Road, Crayford, Kent DA1 4BZ. 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From duncan.booth at suttoncourtenay.org.uk Fri Mar 26 08:43:36 2004 From: duncan.booth at suttoncourtenay.org.uk (Duncan Booth) Date: Fri Mar 26 08:43:37 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Problem In-Reply-To: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EE1@sbserver.shaws.local> Message-ID: <40643388.27844.2F58842C@localhost> > Hi, > > Trying to get my head around Unit Testing (and Python) and I've come > across a strange > problem when adding some tests to the example from > pyunit-1.4.1\doc\PyUnit.html. > > class Widget: > def __init__(self, widgetname, size=(50,50)): > self.name = widgetname > self._size = size > def func(self): > return 4 > def name(self): > return self.name > > class WidgetTestCase(unittest.TestCase): > def setUp(self): > self.widget = Widget("The widget") > def testFunc(self): > assert self.widget.func() == 3, 'Invalid value' > def testName(self): > assert self.widget.name() == "The widget", "Invalid name" > > I'm getting the error "TypeError: 'str' object is not callable" when I > run my test suite. > It's complaining about the last line of code. > However, if I take the function call brackets off (assert > self.widget.name == "The widget", "Invalid name") > it works fine. I expected it to work like the func() example above it. I suspect you may have copied the example incorrectly, but what is happening is this: You have defined a class Widget with a method called 'name', but in your __init__ method you are assigning to an attribute also called 'name'. The attribute is stored in the instance and this hides the method, so when you access self.widget.name you are retrieving the string rather than the method. When you attempt to call the string retrieved by self.widget.name you get an error telling you that you cannot call a string. Remember that functions and methods are first class objects in Python, so for example the test: assert self.widget.func() == 3, 'Invalid value' could equally well be written as: x = self.widget.func assert x() == 3, 'Invalid value' The compiler does not, and indeed cannot, make a distinction between accessing an attribute and calling a method: you could have assigned a function or some other callable to self.widget.name by the time it tries to access it. I hope this help. > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This communication contains information which is confidential and may > also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended > recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that > any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited. 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Those of you with an overwhelming fear of the unknown will be gratified to learn that there is no hidden message revealed by reading this warning backwards, so just ignore that Alert Notice from Microsoft: However, by pouring a complete circle of salt around yourself and your computer you can ensure that no harm befalls you and your pets. If you have received this email in error, please add some nutmeg and egg whites and place it in a warm oven for 40 minutes. Whisk briefly and let it stand for 2 hours before icing. From Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk Fri Mar 26 09:48:33 2004 From: Francis.Moore at shaws.co.uk (Francis Moore) Date: Fri Mar 26 09:50:58 2004 Subject: [python-uk] Unit Testing Problem Message-ID: <6081EBC21D52F744B484088BBBE665C3199EE2@sbserver.shaws.local> From: Duncan Booth [mailto:duncan.booth@suttoncourtenay.org.uk] > I suspect you may have copied the example incorrectly The bit I copied is fine. It's the bit I added that doesn't work ;-> > You have defined a class Widget with a method called 'name', but in > your __init__ method you are assigning to an attribute also called > 'name'. That makes sense now. Renaming the method to getName(), which is probably what I should have called it in the first place, fixes it. > I hope this help. Perfectly. Thanks very much. > Have Shaw & Sons limited considered that appending a confidentiality > notice to emails that are patently not intended to be confidential > makes it almost impossible for them to defend their position if > anyone does distribute an email that really was intended to be > confidential? It does seem absurd. But I guess the alternative would be to allow people to choose when they appended the confidentiality notice to an email and most of the time they would probably forget. I guess this way covers all bases? Although I have to admit to feeling a bit guilty when I post an email to a mailing list and the content of the email is swamped by the corporate signature. Is there any way of turning it off inside the mailing list? I'm subscribed on the ACCU mailing list as well and by adding the line --LongSig-- to the end of an email message, it removes whatever comes after it, i.e. the confidentiality notice. Presumably the mailing list admin would need to set this up. Cheers, Francis. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please notify us by e-mail or by telephone (+44(0) 1322 621100) and then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. 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