From andy@robanal.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 9 21:58:17 1999 From: andy@robanal.demon.co.uk (Andy Robinson) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:58:17 GMT Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? Message-ID: <37dd1dc2.5371744@post.demon.co.uk> Evening, all. Having set up this list, I apologize for doing nothing for a couple of weeks - summer holiday. Would anyone be interested in meeting up in London in the first week in October? =20 If so, what would you be looking for? Discuss Python over beers informally? Get a meeting room somewhere and a projector and have talks before hitting the beers? =20 Also any other ideas for low-key events, such as conferences we could tack a track onto? I think I may have a sponsor for small events, but need a concrete proposal to take to them. There is a strong chance of getting a free room in the city for a meeting on a regular basis. Regards, Andy Robinson From python-uk Sat Sep 11 01:28:32 1999 From: python-uk (Glenn Rogers) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:28:32 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? In-Reply-To: <37dd1dc2.5371744@post.demon.co.uk>; from Andy Robinson on Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:58:17PM +0000 References: <37dd1dc2.5371744@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990911012832.A1536@gacela.demon.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:58:17PM +0000, Andy Robinson wrote: > Evening, all. Having set up this list, I apologize for doing nothing > for a couple of weeks - summer holiday. > > Would anyone be interested in meeting up in London in the first week > in October? > Not until after 3rd Oct :) > If so, what would you be looking for? Discuss Python over beers > informally? Get a meeting room somewhere and a projector and have > talks before hitting the beers? > It might be an idea, first of all, to find out more about us. How many people are even within striking distance of London, especially for semi-regular meetings? What do we actually use it for - can we have a real meeting that most of us won't fall asleep in? To start the ball rolling, I'm in West Surrey, so as long as I can catch the last train to Woking and don't drink :( I can come. And I tend to just do simple utility-type programs - I don't use python in anger, so to speak. Glenn From tim.jarman@lineone.net Sat Sep 11 19:39:55 1999 From: tim.jarman@lineone.net (Tim Jarman) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:39:55 +0000 Subject: [Python-uk] Re: City Python meeting in October? (Glenn Rogers) References: <199909111604.RAA26404@boober.lineone.net> Message-ID: <37DAA1F3.31BB2320@lineone.net> Hi folks, I am a Python newbie (but an old hacker) based in London... I'd be up for this, certainly (especially the beer part :-). -- Tim Jarman "A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat" From tony@lsl.co.uk Mon Sep 13 09:23:10 1999 From: tony@lsl.co.uk (Tony J. Ibbs (Tibs)) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:23:10 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? Message-ID: <09c101befdc1$37520470$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> Glenn Rogers wrote: >It might be an idea, first of all, to find out more about us. >How many people are even within striking distance of London, especially for >semi-regular meetings? >What do we actually use it for - can we have a real meeting that most of us >won't fall asleep in? I came across Python before 1.1, and was one of two people to introduce it to our company, where it is used for all sorts of in-house tools, although still stuck at 1.3 (for various reasons). I've written a wodge of small utilities, produced a package for reading the file format of a standard I worked on, and am currently working on a small metalanguage for Marc-Andre Lemburg's mxTextTools package. Luckily I have 1.5.2 on a PC box at home. As to meetings - I live in Cambridge (so within striking distance of London), but we have two small children (so essentially no spare time) and my other half commutes to London, so gets home between 6.30 and 7.30 - so any meeting is likely to be difficult for me to get to without prolonged negotiation! Doesn't stop me thinking meetings would be a wonderful idea, though - and if it's in Cambridge I'd try *very* hard to get to it! Oh - and we're on holiday in Glasgow 1-7 October... Tibs -- Tony J Ibbs (Tibs) http://www.tibsnjoan.demon.co.uk/ Feet first with 5 wheels... My views! Mine! Mine! (Unless Laser-Scan ask nicely to borrow them.) From Edward Welbourne Mon Sep 13 10:43:42 1999 From: Edward Welbourne (Edward Welbourne) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:43:42 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? In-Reply-To: <37dd1dc2.5371744@post.demon.co.uk> References: <37dd1dc2.5371744@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Andy said > ... a couple of weeks - summer holiday. quite right too - and if you'd tried to organise anything sooner, it would have been complicated by all the folk away on holiday ... > Discuss Python over beers informally? Get a meeting room somewhere > and a projector and have talks before hitting the beers? Well mine's a cider, but that aside I'm definitely with you for the beers ;^) I can just about imagine a Firkin or similar pub having a black-board on which we could scribble - which is about as much A-V kit as I'd want to bother with (not a hardware guy, me). Early October sounds fine. London's within reach. Pub near a tube station readily reached from the railways would be advisable ... Glenn said: > It might be an idea, first of all, to find out more about us. I mend proprietary C for a living and dream of earning my crust by doing open-source work in python. Oh, and I maintain our in-house tools, the make-replacements among which are in python (along with steadily more of the rest as we find time), as are the CGI scripts. Same place as Tibs, so still stuck on 1.3 though, likewise, I have 1.5 at home (and must upgrade from the alpha to 1.5.2 some time). That's at work. At home I play with theoretical physics and have a toy idea which the types sig might understand ... and dream of the free and independent republic of Cambridge ;^> but don't have the time to do half of what I want to. Speaking of which, how'd be the responses to the idea of an inn-moot in the Fens ? Either late this month or after the London gathering ... Live & Let Live, Cambridge Blue, Wrestlers, suggestions, preferences ? Eddy. -- disclaimers, contact data etc. belong in headers, not sigs. From edgington@ccdc.cam.ac.uk Mon Sep 13 11:52:32 1999 From: edgington@ccdc.cam.ac.uk (Paul Edgington) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:52:32 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? In-Reply-To: <09c101befdc1$37520470$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> Message-ID: <000301befdd6$1479ae20$03716f83@csdxt1.ccdc.cam.ac.uk> Eddy said >Speaking of which, how'd be the responses to the idea of an inn-moot in >the Fens ? Either late this month or after the London gathering ... >Live & Let Live, Cambridge Blue, Wrestlers, suggestions, preferences ? Cambridge definitely, any of the above, maybe the CAMPIGgies should meet at the flying pig? Not as much chance of getting down to London though. and Glenn said: > It might be an idea, first of all, to find out more about us. I have been using python for several years. For the last year and a bit I, and a couple of other folk here, have been working full time on producing a platform independent gui to our somewhat elderly search engine (Error 501: Bad Card). This involves a lot of Tkinter including using PMW, a bit of OpenGL and the metakit persistent storage stuff (about 200 .py files total). At home I continue to play about with Tkinter, play a few computer games badly (when the wife is not on the machine swearing at the pinball game) and slowly redecorate and rearrange the house ready for our expected new arrival in January. Paul -- http://i.am/am.i.not/ Paul Edgington Senior Scientific Software Engineer Cambridge Crystallographic Data Centre Phone: +44 1223 331113 Fax: +44 1223 331116 From Gary.Pennington@uk.sun.com Mon Sep 13 12:01:21 1999 From: Gary.Pennington@uk.sun.com (Gary Pennington - UK Performance Centre) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:01:21 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? References: <37dd1dc2.5371744@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <37DCD981.604B41@uk.sun.com> Hi, Am I the only member of this list north of Watford Gap? I won't be able to travel to London for the meeting, but I thought I may as well post to the list just to register that there are people who are using Python outside of the SouthEast. Have a good meeting, I look forward to reading the minutes. Yours, Gary Andy Robinson wrote: > Evening, all. Having set up this list, I apologize for doing nothing > for a couple of weeks - summer holiday. > > Would anyone be interested in meeting up in London in the first week > in October? > > If so, what would you be looking for? Discuss Python over beers > informally? Get a meeting room somewhere and a projector and have > talks before hitting the beers? > > Also any other ideas for low-key events, such as conferences we could > tack a track onto? I think I may have a sponsor for small events, but > need a concrete proposal to take to them. There is a strong chance of > getting a free room in the city for a meeting on a regular basis. > > Regards, > > Andy Robinson > > _______________________________________________ > Python-uk maillist - Python-uk@starship.python.net > http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/python-uk From peter.hall@snellwilcox.com Mon Sep 13 12:53:12 1999 From: peter.hall@snellwilcox.com (Peter Hall) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:53:12 GMT Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? Message-ID: <9909139372.AA937222801@snellwilcox.com> >It might be an idea, first of all, to find out more about us. >What do we actually use it for - can we have a real meeting that most of >us won't fall asleep in? I've been using python on and off for a year, writing one off tools and prototyping larger projects with it. I also use JPython stuff quite a lot as we have quite a lot of JAVA libraries that I can't be bothered to rewrite if I don't have to (legacy in code in java... :). I'm still fairly new to Python, but getting more used to it all the time. >How many people are even within striking distance of London, especially >for semi-regular meetings? At the moment I'm working in Hampshire, but I'm a student at Imperial College, so come the start of October, I shall be living in London, near Paddington. >Would anyone be interested in meeting up in London in the first week >in October? Sounds good to me... >If so, what would you be looking for? Discuss Python over beers >informally? Get a meeting room somewhere and a projector and have >talks before hitting the beers? Pete, _____________________________ Peter Hall. Peter.Hall@Snellwilcox.com pjh5@doc.ic.ac.uk _____________________________ From jcooley@python.net Mon Sep 13 14:13:36 1999 From: jcooley@python.net (James Cooley) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:13:36 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? References: <37dd1dc2.5371744@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <37DCF880.C0F6F14E@trustbase.com> Andy said > Discuss Python over beers informally? Get a meeting room somewhere > and a projector and have talks before hitting the beers? Sounds good. Anytime in October suits me. Glenn said: > It might be an idea, first of all, to find out more about us. I'm living in Richmond and working near Farringdon. I have written quite a few utility scripts in Python over the last couple of years. Nothing worth releasing for general consumption though :( I'm working for a crypto company, working in Java. I use JPython at work to work out designs and do preliminary implementations before committing to more the less dynamic Java for production code. Looking forward to seeing what comes of this list. I would like to Guido and some other heavyweights in London for a talk. Also I'm not averse to a few pints ... James PS. Top Signs You Are a Londoner 1. You say "the city" and expect everyone to know which one. -- James Cooley [+44 (0)171-6896924] JCP Computer Services, 16 St Johns Lane, London, EC1M 4BS, UK. PGP Key ID : 0x28CA7769 fingerprint: A39D 1357 89EF 3707 2D62 050B 6AA1 4D03 28CA 7769 From dkirby@bigfoot.com Mon Sep 13 20:37:25 1999 From: dkirby@bigfoot.com (Dave Kirby) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:37:25 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] Re: City Python meeting in October? References: Message-ID: <37DD5275.ADDC1B2E@bigfoot.com> Andy Robinson said: > > Would anyone be interested in meeting up in London in the first week > in October? I would be up for it, depending on my other commitments at the time. I am a software engineer in Hemel Hempstead, working for a major network hardware company. I discovered python a couple of years ago and spent many a happy hour playing around at home, and have now managed to introduce it in my current project at work in the form of JPython, since most of the project is being done in Java, and CPython + win32 extensions for other utilities. Off topic, does anyone know of companies doing python training & support in the UK? Is there anyone from PythonPros on the mailing list? I vaguely remember talk of them setting up a uk/europe branch, but cant find any mention of it on their website. Dave Kirby From digitome@iol.ie Mon Sep 13 21:01:25 1999 From: digitome@iol.ie (Sean Mc Grath) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:01:25 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] Re: City Python meeting in October? In-Reply-To: <37DD5275.ADDC1B2E@bigfoot.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990913210125.00a2d6b0@gpo.iol.ie> Hi Dave, PPSI's European wing is my company Digitome (http://www.digitome.com). Based in Dublin, Ireland. We do Python training and support throughout Europe. >I am a software engineer in Hemel Hempstead, working for a major network >hardware company. I discovered python a couple of years ago and spent many a >happy hour playing around at home, and have now managed to introduce it in >my current project at work in the form of JPython, since most of the project >is being done in Java, and CPython + win32 extensions for other utilities. > >Off topic, does anyone know of companies doing python training & support in >the UK? Is there anyone from PythonPros on the mailing list? I vaguely >remember talk of them setting up a uk/europe branch, but cant find any >mention of it on their website. > > Dave Kirby Developers Day Co-Chair, 9th International World Wide Web Conference 16-19, May, 2000, Amsterdam, The Netherlands http://www9.org From andy@robanal.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 13 21:22:50 1999 From: andy@robanal.demon.co.uk (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:22:50 GMT Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? In-Reply-To: <37DCF880.C0F6F14E@trustbase.com> References: <37dd1dc2.5371744@post.demon.co.uk> <37DCF880.C0F6F14E@trustbase.com> Message-ID: <37ec5ccb.12309630@post.demon.co.uk> On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:13:36 +0100, you wrote: >I'm living in Richmond and working near Farringdon. I have written >quite a few utility scripts in Python over the last couple of years. >Nothing worth releasing for general consumption though :( James, since you are in the middle, care to recommend a pub? Preferably not too many stops from Liverpool Street to encourage the 'tabs. Thanks, Andy From andy@robanal.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 13 21:39:37 1999 From: andy@robanal.demon.co.uk (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:39:37 GMT Subject: [Python-uk] UK events and O'Reilly Message-ID: <37ee5d3f.12425046@post.demon.co.uk> time to get my vested interest out in the open. As a consultant.contractor and co-author of the forthcoming "Python Programming for Win32", my employment opportunities are going to be closely linked to Python's take-up by companies in the UK. I fully appreciate that some enjoy Python as a hobby, but others would love to work at it full time, so I'm doing more serious stuff than pub crawls. But I need help... I am meeting Josette Garcia, who runs O'Reilly's UK office, on Tuesday 5th October to discuss how to promote Python in the UK. I would welcome any ideas on promoting Python here - e.g. conferences we could piggyback a Python track onto. O'Reilly are not short of cash and might be able to help if we had focussed suggestions. Cambridge could be a great venue for a Python conference next year (hint, hint). Also does anyone fancy writing an article or two for some of the UK computer press? Having just spent several months on a full-sized book, I can tell you that it is not too tough and great fun, and would help out with reading through. Regards, Andy From jcooley@python.net Tue Sep 14 10:11:08 1999 From: jcooley@python.net (James Cooley) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:11:08 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? References: <37dd1dc2.5371744@post.demon.co.uk> <37DCF880.C0F6F14E@trustbase.com> <37ec5ccb.12309630@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <37DE112C.6DD9CDF7@python.net> How about Princess Louise (Vaux free house) Bloombury 208 High Holborn St. 0171-405-8816 Holborn Station, Central/Picidilly Lines Remarks: A big place with a comfortable look and feel. A good selection of ales, as well, Details from (http://ralph.pair.com/pubguide.html). Holburn is pretty central and it's not a bad pub. Other listings http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ccaajpa/pubs-listed.html I'll be wearing a ... James Andy Robinson wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:13:36 +0100, you wrote: > > >I'm living in Richmond and working near Farringdon. I have written > >quite a few utility scripts in Python over the last couple of years. > >Nothing worth releasing for general consumption though :( > > James, since you are in the middle, care to recommend a pub? > Preferably not too many stops from Liverpool Street to encourage the > 'tabs. > > Thanks, > > Andy -- James Cooley [+44 (0)171-6896924] JCP Computer Services, 16 St Johns Lane, London, EC1M 4BS, UK. PGP Key ID : 0x28CA7769 fingerprint: A39D 1357 89EF 3707 2D62 050B 6AA1 4D03 28CA 7769 From andy@robanal.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 14 11:20:53 1999 From: andy@robanal.demon.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andy=20Robinson?=) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? Message-ID: <19990914102053.13067.rocketmail@web606.mail.yahoo.com> --- James Cooley wrote: > How about > > Princess Louise > (Vaux free house) > Bloombury > 208 High Holborn St. > 0171-405-8816 > Holborn Station, Central/Picidilly Lines > Remarks: A big place with a comfortable look and > feel. A good selection of > ales, as well, Sounds fine. Monday 4th, after work? I'm in Surrey so will probably arrive between 18:00-18:30, but don't let that stop anyone. I will be wearing a grey O'Reilly baseball cap, and carrying any Python paraphernalia I can find. (tip: for the truly brave, Early Learning Centre has giant rubber pythons, quite pricey but highly realistic). -Andy === Andy Robinson Robinson Analytics Ltd. ------------------ My opinions are the official policy of Robinson Analytics Ltd. They just vary from day to day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Edward Welbourne Tue Sep 14 11:20:44 1999 From: Edward Welbourne (Edward Welbourne) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:20:44 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] UK events and O'Reilly In-Reply-To: <37ee5d3f.12425046@post.demon.co.uk> References: <37ee5d3f.12425046@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > Cambridge could be a great venue for a Python conference next year Seconded. Here's some data for Josette ... I know the science fiction crowd have used colleges (e.g. New Hall) for conferences in the past ... which, naturally, means out-of-term conferences ... the accommodation strikes an eminently practical balance between cheap and pleasant. That can only help when it comes to encouraging folk to come along (and the folk who simply can't survive without Major Hotel Luxuries have a few choices open to them, but I'll bet the majority will be more than happy with college beds and more frugal fare). At the very least, Robinson and Churchill colleges were built with conferences in mind (and I think New Hall, while more concerned with the students' needs during term, haven't ignored this revenue source either). I know Trinity Hall hosts conferences (one of my friends used to be their booking secretary) and I would imagine all the rest do too. Hmm. I'm sending this to python-uk@starship.python.net, which means it'll cross the Atlantic twice before it reaches its recipients ... there must be a better way. Eddy. From jcooley@python.net Tue Sep 14 11:37:30 1999 From: jcooley@python.net (James Cooley) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:37:30 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? References: <19990914102053.13067.rocketmail@web606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37DE256A.5540FA02@python.net> I'll be standing next to the guy with the quite pricey but highly realistic giant rubber python :) Until then, James Andy Robinson wrote: > > --- James Cooley wrote: > > How about > > > > Princess Louise > > (Vaux free house) > > Bloombury > > 208 High Holborn St. > > 0171-405-8816 > > Holborn Station, Central/Picidilly Lines > > Remarks: A big place with a comfortable look and > > feel. A good selection of > > ales, as well, > Sounds fine. Monday 4th, after work? > > I'm in Surrey so will probably arrive between > 18:00-18:30, but don't let that stop anyone. I will > be wearing a grey O'Reilly baseball cap, and carrying > any Python paraphernalia I can find. > > (tip: for the truly brave, Early Learning Centre has > giant rubber pythons, quite pricey but highly > realistic). > > -Andy > > === > Andy Robinson > Robinson Analytics Ltd. > ------------------ > My opinions are the official policy of Robinson Analytics Ltd. > They just vary from day to day. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- James Cooley [+44 (0)171-6896924] JCP Computer Services, 16 St Johns Lane, London, EC1M 4BS, UK. PGP Key ID : 0x28CA7769 fingerprint: A39D 1357 89EF 3707 2D62 050B 6AA1 4D03 28CA 7769 From Alex.Thomas@dresdnerkb.com Tue Sep 14 11:56:53 1999 From: Alex.Thomas@dresdnerkb.com (Alex.Thomas@dresdnerkb.com) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:56:53 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? Message-ID: <1D14C3519E48D211B8F50008C7A4DCED024B7643@DRKBLONC0017> At this point I shall stop lurking and announce that I too live in Richmond (well, East Twickenham :-) ), the only problem being that I spend most of the week working in Frankfurt. This is for Kleinwort Benson, who are part of Dresdner Bank. Work is mostly Java, EJBs and other non-python activities though I can't shake off the feeling that (J)Python has a role in this area. Also we use Zope to as a sort of knowledge base. Before this, I worked for ICL on their ORB, and have a modest claim to fame in contributing to the key OMG specs. I know the Princess Louise, but it's a bit crowded - why don't we get them down to Henry's Bar or something James? :-) cheers alex > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cooley [mailto:james.cooley@trustbase.com] > Sent: 13 September 1999 15:14 > To: Edward Welbourne; python-uk@server.python.net > Subject: Re: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? > > > > > Andy said > > Discuss Python over beers informally? Get a meeting room somewhere > > and a projector and have talks before hitting the beers? > > Sounds good. Anytime in October suits me. > > Glenn said: > > It might be an idea, first of all, to find out more about us. > > I'm living in Richmond and working near Farringdon. I have written > quite a few utility scripts in Python over the last couple of years. > Nothing worth releasing for general consumption though :( > > I'm working for a crypto company, working in Java. I use JPython > at work to work out designs and do preliminary implementations before > committing to more the less dynamic Java for production code. > > Looking forward to seeing what comes of this list. I would > like to Guido > and some other heavyweights in London for a talk. Also I'm > not averse to > a few pints ... > > James > > PS. > > Top Signs You Are a Londoner > 1. You say "the city" and expect everyone to know which one. > > > -- > James Cooley [+44 (0)171-6896924] > JCP Computer Services, 16 St Johns Lane, London, EC1M 4BS, UK. > PGP Key ID : 0x28CA7769 > fingerprint: A39D 1357 89EF 3707 2D62 050B 6AA1 4D03 28CA 7769 > > _______________________________________________ > Python-uk maillist - Python-uk@starship.python.net > http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > ########################################## This email, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged and/or confidential. Access by any other party is unauthorised without the express written permission of the sender. If you have received this email in error you may not copy or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender on the number printed above, via the Dresdner Kleinwort Benson switchboard on +44 171 623 8000 or via e-mail return. Internet communications are not secure unless protected using strong cryptography. This email has been prepared using information believed by the author to be reliable and accurate, but Dresdner Kleinwort Benson makes no warranty as to accuracy or completeness. In particular Dresdner Kleinwort Benson does not accept responsibility for changes made to this email after it was sent. Any opinions expressed in this document are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Bank or its affiliates. They may be subject to change without notice. ########################################## From james.cooley@trustbase.com Tue Sep 14 12:30:05 1999 From: james.cooley@trustbase.com (James Cooley) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:30:05 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? References: <1D14C3519E48D211B8F50008C7A4DCED024B7643@DRKBLONC0017> Message-ID: <37DE31BD.A24D0568@jcp.co.uk> Alex.Thomas@dresdnerkb.com wrote: > > I know the Princess Louise, but it's a bit crowded - why don't we get them > down to Henry's Bar or something James? :-) > I don't mind too much. Monday should be quiet(er) at any rate. I haven't been to Henry's so I can't really comment on it. Maybe we need a Python-Pub-Wizard? Or even better a Python-UK-Pub-Crawl-Tracker that sends an SMS update message to the python-uk-drinking list as we move about :) James -- James Cooley [+44 (0)171-6896924] JCP Computer Services, 16 St Johns Lane, London, EC1M 4BS, UK. PGP Key ID : 0x28CA7769 fingerprint: A39D 1357 89EF 3707 2D62 050B 6AA1 4D03 28CA 7769 From Edward Welbourne Tue Sep 14 12:57:41 1999 From: Edward Welbourne (Edward Welbourne) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:41 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? In-Reply-To: <1D14C3519E48D211B8F50008C7A4DCED024B7643@DRKBLONC0017> References: <1D14C3519E48D211B8F50008C7A4DCED024B7643@DRKBLONC0017> Message-ID: > I know the Princess Louise, but it's a bit crowded - why don't we get > them down to Henry's Bar or something James? :-) because a time and place have been chosen and subsequent change will only confuse. Save the rest of London's huge supply of excellent pubs for later meetings, by which time you can have explained to the rest where they are ... Hmm. This is a finger-in-the-air guess but ... what proportion of folk on this list are CAMRA members ? Eddy. From Alex.Thomas@dresdnerkb.com Tue Sep 14 13:15:29 1999 From: Alex.Thomas@dresdnerkb.com (Alex.Thomas@dresdnerkb.com) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:15:29 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? Message-ID: <1D14C3519E48D211B8F50008C7A4DCED024B7656@DRKBLONC0017> Sure, didn't mean to muddy the water, you go ahead with the Louise - upstairs or down? alex (who used to quite like real ale but is in pilsland) NB In the following statement the word 'not' was accidentally omitted from all verb phrases, please amend accordingly ########################################## This email, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged and/or confidential. Access by any other party is unauthorised without the express written permission of the sender. If you have received this email in error you may not copy or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender on the number printed above, via the Dresdner Kleinwort Benson switchboard on +44 171 623 8000 or via e-mail return. Internet communications are not secure unless protected using strong cryptography. This email has been prepared using information believed by the author to be reliable and accurate, but Dresdner Kleinwort Benson makes no warranty as to accuracy or completeness. In particular Dresdner Kleinwort Benson does not accept responsibility for changes made to this email after it was sent. Any opinions expressed in this document are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Bank or its affiliates. They may be subject to change without notice. ########################################## From mwh21@cam.ac.uk Wed Sep 22 14:23:28 1999 From: mwh21@cam.ac.uk (Michael Hudson) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:23:28 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? Message-ID: (item 0: I'm sending this from home, so I apologise in advance for any htmlcrap outlook express inflicts on this mail; do tell me though and I'll hit it a few more times) ---------- >From: Glenn Rogers >To: python-uk >Subject: Re: [Python-uk] City Python meeting in October? >Date: Sat, Sep 11, 1999, 1:28 am > >On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:58:17PM +0000, Andy Robinson wrote: >> Evening, all. Having set up this list, I apologize for doing nothing >> for a couple of weeks - summer holiday. Agh! I go on holiday for two weeks and find 500+ messages waiting for me (memo to self: unsubscribe from some mailing lists) >> Would anyone be interested in meeting up in London in the first week >> in October? >> >Not until after 3rd Oct :) I probably won't be able to make that one (it's near the start of term which is always chaotic, plus there are some birthday parties I want to be at -- hard life). >> If so, what would you be looking for? Discuss Python over beers >> informally? Get a meeting room somewhere and a projector and have >> talks before hitting the beers? In Cambridge (hint,hint) there are a couple of pubs that have upstairs/back rooms that we could use to combine both the above... the Maypole certainly does (and is, ooh, about 400 yards from my termtime address) as does I think the Bun Shop (even closer...). >It might be an idea, first of all, to find out more about us. >How many people are even within striking distance of London, especially for >semi-regular meetings? It's an hour on the train - so yes, striking distance. >What do we actually use it for - can we have a real meeting that most of us >won't fall asleep in? > >To start the ball rolling, I'm in West Surrey, so as long as I can catch the >last train to Woking and don't drink :( I can come. And I tend to just do >simple utility-type programs - I don't use python in anger, so to speak. Well, I'm just about to start my third year at Cambridge as a maths undergraduate. I wrote my computational project last year in Python - integrating odes, fiddling with matrices, nothing too complicated. I also use it when bash just gets too tiresome on my Linux machine. As there certainly seem to be a few Cambridge area folks around here, anyone care for a mid-term Python-pint? Yours, Michael From Edward Welbourne Wed Sep 22 15:30:08 1999 From: Edward Welbourne (Edward Welbourne) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:30:08 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] Cambridge Python meeting in September? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > integrating odes What a pleasantly poetic twist ;^) Yes, there will be Cambridge meetings - possibly starting some time next week. Thanks for mentioning back rooms ... May-pole is good ... what other pubs do you know of with back rooms in Cambridge ? Ideally doing food as well (since that'll make early evening meetings easier for the full-time employed among us) and/or with a scribbling board ... For that matter, what'd be our chances of teaming up with a relevant undergraduate society with access to seminar-equipped rooms ? So, for a preliminary stab at getting something off the ground, how do folk in Cambridge feel about a meeting next Wednesday (Sept 29th), at The Wrestlers' on Newmarket Road, say 8pm ? Please comment, in responses, on capacity to cope with other days of the week. Yes, I've made arbitrary choices here, in hopes of getting enough of us gathered over a pint to have a thorough discussion of places/times for future moots. So primarily a planning meeting, but I hope we can all have fun discussing interesting stuff too ;^) I have a hat, such dark blue you might call it black, trilby-like in shape. I am tall, bespectacled and long-haired. That should leave you with only about half a dozen folk to ask ;^> If you have anything nice and obvious like a python to bring with you, you can act as our standard-bearer and the rest of us will find you. Eddy. -- Disclaimers, contact data etc. belong in headers, not sigs. From mwh21@cam.ac.uk Wed Sep 22 16:03:50 1999 From: mwh21@cam.ac.uk (Michael Hudson) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:03:50 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] Cambridge Python meeting in September? Message-ID: >> integrating odes > >What a pleasantly poetic twist ;^) ? >Yes, there will be Cambridge meetings - possibly starting some time next >week. Thanks for mentioning back rooms ... May-pole is good ... what >other pubs do you know of with back rooms in Cambridge ? Ideally doing >food as well (since that'll make early evening meetings easier for the >full-time employed among us) and/or with a scribbling board ... Maypole does good food... I'm sure there are others, but I don't know off hand. >For that matter, what'd be our chances of teaming up with a relevant >undergraduate society with access to seminar-equipped rooms ? Precisely no idea, sorry. >So, for a preliminary stab at getting something off the ground, how do >folk in Cambridge feel about a meeting next Wednesday (Sept 29th), at >The Wrestlers' on Newmarket Road, say 8pm ? Please comment, in >responses, on capacity to cope with other days of the week. Yes, I've >made arbitrary choices here, in hopes of getting enough of us gathered >over a pint to have a thorough discussion of places/times for future >moots. So primarily a planning meeting, but I hope we can all have fun >discussing interesting stuff too ;^) Wednesdays at 8pm at the Wrestlers' (don't know where it is, but can find it I guess) are fine in principle, but not the next one, because term hasn't started by then and I won't be in Cambridge. As to other evenings, I have no particular constraints, except that midweek is probably better than weekend. >I have a hat, such dark blue you might call it black, trilby-like in >shape. I am tall, bespectacled and long-haired. That should leave you >with only about half a dozen folk to ask ;^> If you have anything nice >and obvious like a python to bring with you, you can act as our >standard-bearer and the rest of us will find you. I am not particularly tall, hove no remarkably distinguishing features, can be bespectacled or not upon request - and wont be there ;-(. Some other time? Regards, Michael From tony@lsl.co.uk Wed Sep 22 16:43:04 1999 From: tony@lsl.co.uk (Tony J. Ibbs (Tibs)) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:43:04 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] Cambridge Python meeting in September? Message-ID: <062201bf0511$28ae2eb0$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> Edward Welbourne wrote: >So, for a preliminary stab at getting something off the ground, how do >folk in Cambridge feel about a meeting next Wednesday (Sept 29th), at >The Wrestlers' on Newmarket Road, say 8pm ? Well, it's possible in theory. And it's best to get started somewhere/somewhen! Generally, Tuesdays are a Bad Idea, and weekends have a lot going for them. If it must be weekdays, a time like 8pm isn't too bad (lets me help with most of the last-thing-at-night kid stuff, and leaves some room before my bedtime) but I would probably often be a little bit late. Newmarket Road is a pain on a bike from our house, and most pubs are a pain for parking my trike, but what the hell, I'm not a pub user generally anyway. Oh - a strong plea for somewhere that is NOT smoky. I know what Eddy looks like (!), so will probably be easiest spotted by my finding him. Otherwise, I'll be the one who owns the recumbent trike I probably won't have brought, and I'm of (what I consider) normal height (Eddy wouldn't), with beard and glasses, so that doesn't help. If you can't *see* Eddy, listen for the guy with the really loud laugh... (now wishing I'd actually bought the 6 foot long furry toy snake from that shop in the Grafton Centre...) Tibs -- Tony J Ibbs (Tibs) http://www.tibsnjoan.demon.co.uk/ Feet first with 5 wheels... My views! Mine! Mine! (Unless Laser-Scan ask nicely to borrow them.) From Edward Welbourne Wed Sep 22 17:19:50 1999 From: Edward Welbourne (Edward Welbourne) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:19:50 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] Cambridge Python meeting in September? In-Reply-To: <062201bf0511$28ae2eb0$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> References: <062201bf0511$28ae2eb0$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> Message-ID: > ... weekends have a lot going for them. If it must be weekdays, a > time like 8pm isn't too bad ... here we collide with a generic problem of organising events whose folk include a mix of parents (with Tibs' preferences) and those of us to whom the weekends are for partying ... One possible way out is to use Sunday lunch-time (1pmish), which seems like it should just about work for both life-styles: other than that, can anyone address the problem better than Wednesdayish at 8pmish ? How many folk are going to care deeply about either being in a position to smoke or not having to breathe the results ? Cambridge does have a smoke-less pub (Free Press) and at least some pubs (Haymakers, Cambridge Blue) with segregated smoke-less zones, so we don't have to ignore this issue. Note: my choice of The Wrestlers' for the first meeting is a deliberate ploy in *not* pre-empting the decision (to be taken there, inshallah) on where to meet subsequently: it fails one of the first criteria I anticipate us applying, for students' sake, to `regular' meeting place: `in town'. It does, however, do good Thai food (until 9pm) and is easy to find (just head out of town along Newmarket Road: it's between Coldham's lane and the railway bridge; Newmarket Road is what Jesus Lane becomes). This is what persuades me to suggest it for start-up. So: Wednesday 29th September, 8pm, The Wrestlers ? Absent any violent objections, I hope I'll see lots of folk there then ;^) Eddy. From edgington@ccdc.cam.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 09:46:59 1999 From: edgington@ccdc.cam.ac.uk (Paul Edgington) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:46:59 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] Cambridge Python meeting in September? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01bf05a0$32c46060$03716f83@csdxt1.ccdc.cam.ac.uk> >So: Wednesday 29th September, 8pm, The Wrestlers ? >Absent any violent objections, I hope I'll see lots of folk there then ;^) Wednesdays (and fridays) are out for me I am afraid, so no need for me to find either a hat or a highly realistic giant rubber python wearing a O'Reilly baseball cap. Paul -- http://i.am/am.i.not/ Paul Edgington Senior Scientific Software Engineer Cambridge Crystallographic Data Centre Phone: +44 1223 331113 Fax: +44 1223 331116 From Edward Welbourne Wed Sep 29 12:11:38 1999 From: Edward Welbourne (Edward Welbourne) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:11:38 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] Cambridge Python meeting - reminder. In-Reply-To: <062201bf0511$28ae2eb0$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> References: <062201bf0511$28ae2eb0$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> Message-ID: > Wednesday (Sept 29th), at The Wrestlers' on Newmarket Road, ... 8pm So the day is here, Tony appears to have acquired a furry snake: I guess it and my hat will be teaming up as a sign-post; I hope we see some other folk too. Finally, a word from Andy ... > "Are you the Cambridge Python Front?" > "No, we're the Pythonic Front of Cambridge" > "Splitters!" Eddy. -- CamPSA, CamPy, py.cam.uk, LOCSCUP, ... From tony@lsl.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:57:51 1999 From: tony@lsl.co.uk (Tony J. Ibbs (Tibs)) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:57:51 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] First Cambridge Python meeting - it happened Message-ID: <100901bf0b21$e05d7230$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> Well, the first Cambridge Python Users meeting happened last night - in the end it was just Eddy, me and a furry snake, but the important thing was to *have* a first meeting. Various things were discussed, starting with bikes and ending with Python (gosh!). The next meeting is planned (hopefully with more people), but I'll leave that to Eddy to explain. I'm not going to try to present minutes or anything, but here are some URLs that relate to some of the topics discussed: * http://www.ginko.de/user/thomaskretschmer/website.htm The direct drive bike (i.e., with gears in the hub that has the pedals on it) * http://www.research.microsoft.com/Users/simonpj/c--.html C--, a project by Simon Peyton Jones * http://www.python.org/doc/essays/cp4e.html The current version of Guido's Computer Programming for Everybody proposal. * http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~greg/python/listcomp/index.html Greg Ewing's patch for Python list comprehensions. * http://starship.python.net/crew/da/idledists/ The directory containing the IDLE snapshot from the CVS tree. * http://www.chaos.org.uk/~eddy/dev/toy/ Eddy's Python project (sort of - I really need to read some of his C code) * http://www.phy.hw.ac.uk/%7ekarsten/M/index.html Mahogany Mail (used to be called "M") which uses Python as its customisation language. * http://starship.python.net/crew/amk/quotations/python-quotes.html AMK's Python quotations -- Tony J Ibbs (Tibs) http://www.tibsnjoan.demon.co.uk/ Feet first with 5 wheels... My views! Mine! Mine! (Unless Laser-Scan ask nicely to borrow them.) From Edward Welbourne Thu Sep 30 11:18:38 1999 From: Edward Welbourne (Edward Welbourne) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:18:38 +0100 Subject: [Python-uk] Re: First Cambridge Python meeting - it happened In-Reply-To: <100901bf0b21$e05d7230$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> References: <100901bf0b21$e05d7230$f0c809c0@lslp7o.lsl.co.uk> Message-ID: Collating the information from replies received, it looks like Monday and Thursday have the viable evenings for meetings; for the present, I'll suggest Thursday and listen for any screams of protest. About a fortnight hence seems like a practical time to gather again; the Maypole seems to be a good candidate location. So how do folk respond to Thursday October 14th, 8pm at the Maypole ? For those who don't know the Maypole, it's right next door to the Park Street car park, caught between it and one of the little walkways leading towards Portugal Place. Crossing Jesus Green diagonally from Jesus Lock, headed for the round church, will bring you out onto a pleasant street leading up to a set of bollards practically on the Maypole's doorstep. What're our chances of exceeding two ;^? Eddy.