From stommepoes at stommepoes.nl  Mon Apr  1 12:26:43 2013
From: stommepoes at stommepoes.nl (Mallory van Achterberg)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:26:43 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] PUN meetup 18 april
In-Reply-To: <84E282D0-A55E-49AC-B823-5327910DD9E3@wiggy.net>
References: <5141A872.8010702@fox-it.com>
	<84E282D0-A55E-49AC-B823-5327910DD9E3@wiggy.net>
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 On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:37 , Jasper Spaans <spaans at fox-it.com> wrote:
 
> Hoi PUNners,
> 
> Bij deze wil ik jullie uitnodigen voor een PUN meetup op donderdagavond
> 18 april, ditmaal in Delft bij Fox-IT.

Hoi, is er een pagina met hoe-laat en zoiets? (toen ik keek was
ook de FOX-IT site plaat). Ik wil minimaal weten wanneer het begint.

-mallory


From klaassen at goldmund-wyldebeast-wunderliebe.com  Thu Apr  4 15:56:17 2013
From: klaassen at goldmund-wyldebeast-wunderliebe.com (Jacob Klaassen)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:56:17 +0200
Subject: [python-nl]  [Free Beer] [JOB] [Meet&Greet&Drink]
Message-ID: <CAO25x-VP4F7cF=7nsygcayHzvTcN9smvJWnFRdgryjxh2Voi2g@mail.gmail.com>

Goldmund, Wyldebeast & Wunderliebe is looking for Python developers for
it's  office in Amsterdam. Do you want to be part of our small but fast
growing team? Like to work for a broad range of customers and with the
latest Python frameworks? Please contact us at info at gw20.com or meet us
tomorrow, 5 pm  (friday 5th)  at our office / bar for free beer. KNMS-laan
311 "Kompaszaal Amsterdam.

Jacob Klaassen
CEO
Goldmund, Wyldebeast & Wunderliebe
www.gw20e.com
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From spaans at fox-it.com  Mon Apr  8 17:06:57 2013
From: spaans at fox-it.com (Jasper Spaans)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:06:57 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] PUN meetup 18 april
In-Reply-To: <20130401102643.GA32039@mail.jobva.nl>
References: <5141A872.8010702@fox-it.com>
	<84E282D0-A55E-49AC-B823-5327910DD9E3@wiggy.net>
	<20130401102643.GA32039@mail.jobva.nl>
Message-ID: <5162DD11.3050303@fox-it.com>

On 04/01/2013 12:26 PM, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
>> Bij deze wil ik jullie uitnodigen voor een PUN meetup op donderdagavond
>> 18 april, ditmaal in Delft bij Fox-IT.
> Hoi, is er een pagina met hoe-laat en zoiets? (toen ik keek was
> ook de FOX-IT site plaat). Ik wil minimaal weten wanneer het begint.

Hoihoi,

Dat staat ook in de meetup-page [
http://www.meetup.com/dutch-django-assocation/events/111555882/ ], maar
voor de volledigheid hieronder de tekst van die pagina.

Eenieder is natuurlijk uitgenodigd!


PUN Meetup 18-04-2013
The next PUN meetup will be held on Thursday, April 18. The location is
Fox-IT in Delft. Before we start of at 19:30, there will be dinner from
18:30 for all hungry Pythonistas. Please let Jasper Spaans
(spaans at fox-it.com) know when you'll be joining us for dinner, and if
you have any special dietary needs.

The format will be similar to other PUN meetups: we'll have two long
talk slots (30 mins each) and several 5 minute lightning talks,
separated by a short break to socialize, and a "borrel" afterwards. At
22:30, we'll have to leave the building.

If you are interested in giving a talk, please notify Jasper Spaans
(spaans at fox-it.com)

Nota bene: this meetup will be held at the Fox-IT offices, and this
location has a house rule: any visitor must identify themselves
(passport, id-card, Dutch drivers license, etc; see
http://www.fox-it.com/en/contact/delft/ for details). For this process
to happen without hiccups, I strongly recommend people to pre-register.
The easiest way to do that is sending me a copy/scan of an ID document
so that the front desk people here can put together a list of visitors
so that night-staff during the PUN meeting know who to expect. (This
whole identification stuff is actually required by law given the kind of
work that Fox-IT does, and pre-registering is something we do for all
our trainings and large groups of visitors. We won't spam you or sell
your data.)

For driving / public transport directions, please also see
http://www.fox-it.com/en/contact/delft/


Groet,
Jasper

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 \   (_)/   Fox-IT - For a more secure society!
  \    X    T: +31-15-2847999       
   \  / \   M: +31-6-41588725
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From ronald at ch10.nl  Tue Apr  9 11:06:49 2013
From: ronald at ch10.nl (Ronald Evers)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:06:49 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] PUN meetup 18 april
Message-ID: <CAAbGJW5tV-bJ4X-1mH+e81SpL-GCy-0Gemd+=9Em=hqHpE6NkQ@mail.gmail.com>

> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:26:43 +0200
> From: Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes at stommepoes.nl>
> To: Dutch Python developers and users <python-nl at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [python-nl] PUN meetup 18 april
> Message-ID: <20130401102643.GA32039 at mail.jobva.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>  On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:37 , Jasper Spaans <spaans at fox-it.com> wrote:
>
> > Hoi PUNners,
> >
> > Bij deze wil ik jullie uitnodigen voor een PUN meetup op donderdagavond
> > 18 april, ditmaal in Delft bij Fox-IT.
>
> Hoi, is er een pagina met hoe-laat en zoiets? (toen ik keek was
> ook de FOX-IT site plaat). Ik wil minimaal weten wanneer het begint.
>
> -mallory
>

Het begint om half zeven met eten, dan half acht praatjes. Check de meetup
page: http://www.meetup.com/dutch-django-assocation/events/111555882/ en
neem een Nederlands identiteitsbewijs mee!

Ik wil wel een 30-minuten praatje houden over de softwarestraat en/of
gebruik van puppet hier bij Fox.

Ronald
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From spaans at fox-it.com  Wed Apr 17 16:58:27 2013
From: spaans at fox-it.com (Jasper Spaans)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:58:27 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
Message-ID: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com>

Hi PUNners!

Tomorrow, as most of you will know, there will be a PUN meetup tomorrow
at the Fox-IT premises.

Some remarks:

 - There are still two open slots for lightning talks, so if you'd like
to present something cool you've done, please contact me. First come,
first served.

As for the schedule:
 - We'll be ready at 18:30 to welcome you, dinner is expected to arrive
around 18:45.
 - At 19:30 we will start with the first talk
 - At 22:45 we'll need to leave the building

Parking at Fox: you can park your car at the Fox-IT parking, if that is
full, there is a carpool parking place on the south side of the Fox
building which should have ample space.
For directions, see http://www.fox-it.com/en/contact/delft/

And finally:

Remember to bring a valid ID with you, or we will not be able to allow
you access.


See you tomorrow!
Jasper

-- 
 /\____/\   ir. Jasper Spaans // Lead Developer DetACT
 \   (_)/   Fox-IT - For a more secure society!
  \    X    T: +31-15-2847999       
   \  / \   M: +31-6-41588725
    \/      KvK Haaglanden 27301624


From a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl  Thu Apr 18 10:16:32 2013
From: a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl (Winkel, Alex van)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:16:32 +0000
Subject: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com>
References: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com>
Message-ID: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF816@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>

Hello y'all,

Just a small question... I am a dedicated programmer, but not nessesarely in Python. I starten with Basic, then Pascal, then GML (the programming language that comes with Mark Overmars' Gamemaker and AS3 ( comes with Flash CS4 and CS5 ) . Only recently I started to learn how to program in Python by studying at www.codeacademy.com . 

So my question is... at my level of experience... would it be a good idea to come to the PUN - meetings ?  (not even sure what PUN stands for)
Or should I develop myself more and get more experience before I do so ? 

Regards,

Alex van Winkel
Teacher at Summacollege Eindhoven.



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Python-nl [mailto:python-nl-bounces+wial=roceindhoven.nl at python.org] Namens Jasper Spaans
Verzonden: woensdag 17 april 2013 16:58
Aan: Dutch Python developers and users
Onderwerp: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!

Hi PUNners!

Tomorrow, as most of you will know, there will be a PUN meetup tomorrow at the Fox-IT premises.

Some remarks:

 - There are still two open slots for lightning talks, so if you'd like to present something cool you've done, please contact me. First come, first served.

As for the schedule:
 - We'll be ready at 18:30 to welcome you, dinner is expected to arrive around 18:45.
 - At 19:30 we will start with the first talk
 - At 22:45 we'll need to leave the building

Parking at Fox: you can park your car at the Fox-IT parking, if that is full, there is a carpool parking place on the south side of the Fox building which should have ample space.
For directions, see http://www.fox-it.com/en/contact/delft/

And finally:

Remember to bring a valid ID with you, or we will not be able to allow you access.


See you tomorrow!
Jasper

-- 
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 \   (_)/   Fox-IT - For a more secure society!
  \    X    T: +31-15-2847999       
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From a.esselink at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 10:31:21 2013
From: a.esselink at gmail.com (Dexter)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:31:21 +0000
Subject: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF816@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
References: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com>
	<7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF816@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
Message-ID: <CAJiA4T6zgeMhhHfwnLyyC0Q3X8Q+-03i+_jrvR12qGXrm70ZGQ@mail.gmail.com>

IMO, it doesn't really matter what level of experience you have,
PUNs are a good way to speak to other programmers, and hear about their
projects, hear about what they use to solve their problems.
And its a good way to get advice on what to do.

So I'd say, come along :)

Grts Alex.

Btw, PUN stands for python users nederland.


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Winkel, Alex van <
a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl> wrote:

> Hello y'all,
>
> Just a small question... I am a dedicated programmer, but not nessesarely
> in Python. I starten with Basic, then Pascal, then GML (the programming
> language that comes with Mark Overmars' Gamemaker and AS3 ( comes with
> Flash CS4 and CS5 ) . Only recently I started to learn how to program in
> Python by studying at www.codeacademy.com .
>
> So my question is... at my level of experience... would it be a good idea
> to come to the PUN - meetings ?  (not even sure what PUN stands for)
> Or should I develop myself more and get more experience before I do so ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex van Winkel
> Teacher at Summacollege Eindhoven.
>
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Python-nl [mailto:python-nl-bounces+wial=roceindhoven.nl at python.org]
> Namens Jasper Spaans
> Verzonden: woensdag 17 april 2013 16:58
> Aan: Dutch Python developers and users
> Onderwerp: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
>
> Hi PUNners!
>
> Tomorrow, as most of you will know, there will be a PUN meetup tomorrow at
> the Fox-IT premises.
>
> Some remarks:
>
>  - There are still two open slots for lightning talks, so if you'd like to
> present something cool you've done, please contact me. First come, first
> served.
>
> As for the schedule:
>  - We'll be ready at 18:30 to welcome you, dinner is expected to arrive
> around 18:45.
>  - At 19:30 we will start with the first talk
>  - At 22:45 we'll need to leave the building
>
> Parking at Fox: you can park your car at the Fox-IT parking, if that is
> full, there is a carpool parking place on the south side of the Fox
> building which should have ample space.
> For directions, see http://www.fox-it.com/en/contact/delft/
>
> And finally:
>
> Remember to bring a valid ID with you, or we will not be able to allow you
> access.
>
>
> See you tomorrow!
> Jasper
>
> --
>  /\____/\   ir. Jasper Spaans // Lead Developer DetACT
>  \   (_)/   Fox-IT - For a more secure society!
>   \    X    T: +31-15-2847999
>    \  / \   M: +31-6-41588725
>     \/      KvK Haaglanden 27301624
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From kitblake at infrae.com  Thu Apr 18 10:34:38 2013
From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:38 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF816@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
References: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com>
	<7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF816@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
Message-ID: <922AE153-46B2-4009-8214-347677419277@infrae.com>

Alex,

> Just a small question... I am a dedicated programmer, but not  
> nessesarely in Python. I starten with Basic, then Pascal, then GML  
> (the programming language that comes with Mark Overmars' Gamemaker  
> and AS3 ( comes with Flash CS4 and CS5 ) . Only recently I started  
> to learn how to program in Python by studying at www.codeacademy.com .
>
> So my question is... at my level of experience... would it be a good  
> idea to come to the PUN - meetings ?

Yes. You're not alone.

See you later,
Kit



> (not even sure what PUN stands for)
> Or should I develop myself more and get more experience before I do  
> so ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex van Winkel
> Teacher at Summacollege Eindhoven.
>
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Python-nl [mailto:python-nl-bounces+wial=roceindhoven.nl at python.org 
> ] Namens Jasper Spaans
> Verzonden: woensdag 17 april 2013 16:58
> Aan: Dutch Python developers and users
> Onderwerp: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
>
> Hi PUNners!
>
> Tomorrow, as most of you will know, there will be a PUN meetup  
> tomorrow at the Fox-IT premises.
>
> Some remarks:
>
> - There are still two open slots for lightning talks, so if you'd  
> like to present something cool you've done, please contact me. First  
> come, first served.
>
> As for the schedule:
> - We'll be ready at 18:30 to welcome you, dinner is expected to  
> arrive around 18:45.
> - At 19:30 we will start with the first talk
> - At 22:45 we'll need to leave the building
>
> Parking at Fox: you can park your car at the Fox-IT parking, if that  
> is full, there is a carpool parking place on the south side of the  
> Fox building which should have ample space.
> For directions, see http://www.fox-it.com/en/contact/delft/
>
> And finally:
>
> Remember to bring a valid ID with you, or we will not be able to  
> allow you access.
>
>
> See you tomorrow!
> Jasper
>
> -- 
> /\____/\   ir. Jasper Spaans // Lead Developer DetACT
> \   (_)/   Fox-IT - For a more secure society!
>  \    X    T: +31-15-2847999
>   \  / \   M: +31-6-41588725
>    \/      KvK Haaglanden 27301624
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From a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl  Thu Apr 18 10:34:29 2013
From: a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl (Winkel, Alex van)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:34:29 +0000
Subject: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <CAJiA4T6zgeMhhHfwnLyyC0Q3X8Q+-03i+_jrvR12qGXrm70ZGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com>
	<7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF816@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
	<CAJiA4T6zgeMhhHfwnLyyC0Q3X8Q+-03i+_jrvR12qGXrm70ZGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF82C@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>

Thanks for your welcoming words Dexter,

I'm gonna talk to the misses to see if I can get a night off   :-p

Regards,

Alex van Winkel

Van: Python-nl [mailto:python-nl-bounces+wial=roceindhoven.nl at python.org] Namens Dexter
Verzonden: donderdag 18 april 2013 10:31
Aan: Dutch Python developers and users
Onderwerp: Re: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!

IMO, it doesn't really matter what level of experience you have,
PUNs are a good way to speak to other programmers, and hear about their projects, hear about what they use to solve their problems.
And its a good way to get advice on what to do.

So I'd say, come along :)

Grts Alex.

Btw, PUN stands for python users nederland.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Winkel, Alex van <a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl<mailto:a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl>> wrote:
Hello y'all,

Just a small question... I am a dedicated programmer, but not nessesarely in Python. I starten with Basic, then Pascal, then GML (the programming language that comes with Mark Overmars' Gamemaker and AS3 ( comes with Flash CS4 and CS5 ) . Only recently I started to learn how to program in Python by studying at www.codeacademy.com<http://www.codeacademy.com> .

So my question is... at my level of experience... would it be a good idea to come to the PUN - meetings ?  (not even sure what PUN stands for)
Or should I develop myself more and get more experience before I do so ?

Regards,

Alex van Winkel
Teacher at Summacollege Eindhoven.



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Python-nl [mailto:python-nl-bounces+wial<mailto:python-nl-bounces%2Bwial>=roceindhoven.nl at python.org<mailto:roceindhoven.nl at python.org>] Namens Jasper Spaans
Verzonden: woensdag 17 april 2013 16:58
Aan: Dutch Python developers and users
Onderwerp: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!

Hi PUNners!

Tomorrow, as most of you will know, there will be a PUN meetup tomorrow at the Fox-IT premises.

Some remarks:

 - There are still two open slots for lightning talks, so if you'd like to present something cool you've done, please contact me. First come, first served.

As for the schedule:
 - We'll be ready at 18:30 to welcome you, dinner is expected to arrive around 18:45.
 - At 19:30 we will start with the first talk
 - At 22:45 we'll need to leave the building

Parking at Fox: you can park your car at the Fox-IT parking, if that is full, there is a carpool parking place on the south side of the Fox building which should have ample space.
For directions, see http://www.fox-it.com/en/contact/delft/

And finally:

Remember to bring a valid ID with you, or we will not be able to allow you access.


See you tomorrow!
Jasper

--
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 \   (_)/   Fox-IT - For a more secure society!
  \    X    T: +31-15-2847999<tel:%2B31-15-2847999>
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From wichert at wiggy.net  Thu Apr 18 10:28:01 2013
From: wichert at wiggy.net (Wichert Akkerman)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:28:01 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF816@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
References: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com>
	<7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF816@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
Message-ID: <C99F5C0B-5DB4-425E-831B-8E46C537590C@wiggy.net>

Hoi,

PUN staat voor Python Users/Usergroup Nederland. Je hoeft er helemaal geen python-held voor te zijn. Het idee is vooral om wat van elkaar te leren, inspiratie op te doen en een beetje gezelligheid als bonus. Vooral komen dus!

Groeten,
Wichert.


On Apr 18, 2013, at 10:16 , "Winkel, Alex van" <a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl> wrote:

> Hello y'all,
> 
> Just a small question... I am a dedicated programmer, but not nessesarely in Python. I starten with Basic, then Pascal, then GML (the programming language that comes with Mark Overmars' Gamemaker and AS3 ( comes with Flash CS4 and CS5 ) . Only recently I started to learn how to program in Python by studying at www.codeacademy.com . 
> 
> So my question is... at my level of experience... would it be a good idea to come to the PUN - meetings ?  (not even sure what PUN stands for)
> Or should I develop myself more and get more experience before I do so ? 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alex van Winkel
> Teacher at Summacollege Eindhoven.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Python-nl [mailto:python-nl-bounces+wial=roceindhoven.nl at python.org] Namens Jasper Spaans
> Verzonden: woensdag 17 april 2013 16:58
> Aan: Dutch Python developers and users
> Onderwerp: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
> 
> Hi PUNners!
> 
> Tomorrow, as most of you will know, there will be a PUN meetup tomorrow at the Fox-IT premises.
> 
> Some remarks:
> 
> - There are still two open slots for lightning talks, so if you'd like to present something cool you've done, please contact me. First come, first served.
> 
> As for the schedule:
> - We'll be ready at 18:30 to welcome you, dinner is expected to arrive around 18:45.
> - At 19:30 we will start with the first talk
> - At 22:45 we'll need to leave the building
> 
> Parking at Fox: you can park your car at the Fox-IT parking, if that is full, there is a carpool parking place on the south side of the Fox building which should have ample space.
> For directions, see http://www.fox-it.com/en/contact/delft/
> 
> And finally:
> 
> Remember to bring a valid ID with you, or we will not be able to allow you access.
> 
> 
> See you tomorrow!
> Jasper
> 
> -- 
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From reinout at vanrees.org  Thu Apr 18 12:44:44 2013
From: reinout at vanrees.org (Reinout van Rees)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:44:44 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com>
References: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com>
Message-ID: <kkoiqo$srl$1@ger.gmane.org>

On 17-04-13 16:58, Jasper Spaans wrote:
> Tomorrow, as most of you will know, there will be a PUN meetup tomorrow
> at the Fox-IT premises.

What are the main talks? I've got two colleagues that aren't sure 
they'll come because they don't know if there's anything interesting.


Reinout

-- 
Reinout van Rees                    http://reinout.vanrees.org/
reinout at vanrees.org             http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl/
"If you're not sure what to do, make something. -- Paul Graham"


From spaans at fox-it.com  Thu Apr 18 13:06:46 2013
From: spaans at fox-it.com (Jasper Spaans)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:06:46 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] PUN tomorrow, still space for lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <kkoiqo$srl$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <516EB893.90307@fox-it.com> <kkoiqo$srl$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <516FD3C6.2090906@fox-it.com>

On 04/18/2013 12:44 PM, Reinout van Rees wrote:
> What are the main talks? I've got two colleagues that aren't sure 
> they'll come because they don't know if there's anything interesting.
My bad - I meant to send this to you earlier, but might as well share it
with the list:

 - Jeroen Vloothuis, no title yet, but I do have an abstract in Dutch:
    Laat je open source bijdrage niet voor niks zijn,
    of hoe je project de verdiende aandacht te laten krijgen

 - Ronald Evers, Dev'ing at Fox, how do they do it

I've also got three lightning talks ready:

 - Jan-Jaap Driessen, Fanstatic 1.0a
 - Rui Guerra, museum-analytics
 - Jasper Spaans, A talk about nothing

(and at least one open slot!)


Cheers,
Jasper

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 \   (_)/   Fox-IT - For a more secure society!
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   \  / \   M: +31-6-41588725
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From a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl  Thu Apr 18 15:06:23 2013
From: a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl (Winkel, Alex van)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:06:23 +0000
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
 website and use Python
Message-ID: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>

L.S.,

Could someone give me a pointer where to look for lessons / studiematerial to create an application or website using Python.
So far I have learned a lot about the syntax of Python, but didn't create a stand-alone application with it yet...

( I hope my question is clear)

Regards,

Alex van Winkel
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From wichert at wiggy.net  Thu Apr 18 15:08:21 2013
From: wichert at wiggy.net (Wichert Akkerman)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:08:21 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
	website and use Python
In-Reply-To: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
References: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
Message-ID: <953BC4A4-DCDA-4E3E-9C44-AA5FF97629FD@wiggy.net>

Hoi Alex,

dat hangt er vanaf framework je wil gebruiken. Om met twee te beginnen:

"CreatingYour First Pyramid Application": http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.4-branch/narr/firstapp.html
"Writing your first Django app": https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/tutorial01/



On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:06 , "Winkel, Alex van" <a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl> wrote:

> L.S.,
>  
> Could someone give me a pointer where to look for lessons / studiematerial to create an application or website using Python.
> So far I have learned a lot about the syntax of Python, but didn?t create a stand-alone application with it yet?
>  
> ( I hope my question is clear)
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Alex van Winkel
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From johnnydebris at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 15:15:58 2013
From: johnnydebris at gmail.com (Guido Wesdorp)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:15:58 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
 website and use Python
In-Reply-To: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
References: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
Message-ID: <CAHB+uQBfc69NumLapq4302MBEO6qGZry+vPdc72bT2sGSGjP2g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There's many ways to create web apps with Python, it really depends on your
use-cases and taste. If you just want to get started quickly, you can write
CGI scripts in Python, almost all web servers can execute those and the
learning curve is minimal, especially if you did any back-end development
already. A tiny bit better and more complex would be to use 'WSGI' instead
of CGI, which is very similar in a sense that it provides a way to hook
Python into a webserver, but doesn't provide any framework for application
development. For larger applications, you may want to consider using one of
the web frameworks that Python has to offer, such as Django (somewhat
similar to Ruby on Rails) or Zope (old-school heavy framework, but still
used quite often). And if you're really adventurous, or have very specific
use cases, you could always consider implementing the web server in Python
yourself, too...

Cheers,

Guido


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Winkel, Alex van <
a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl> wrote:

>  L.S.,****
>
> ** **
>
> Could someone give me a pointer where to look for lessons / studiematerial
> to create an application or website using Python.****
>
> So far I have learned a lot about the syntax of Python, but didn?t create
> a stand-alone application with it yet?****
>
> ** **
>
> ( I hope my question is clear)****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,****
>
> ** **
>
> Alex van Winkel****
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From a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl  Thu Apr 18 15:17:28 2013
From: a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl (Winkel, Alex van)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:17:28 +0000
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
 website and use Python
In-Reply-To: <CAHB+uQBfc69NumLapq4302MBEO6qGZry+vPdc72bT2sGSGjP2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
	<CAHB+uQBfc69NumLapq4302MBEO6qGZry+vPdc72bT2sGSGjP2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8F7@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>

Crystal clear,

Thank you, Guido.

Van: Python-nl [mailto:python-nl-bounces+wial=roceindhoven.nl at python.org] Namens Guido Wesdorp
Verzonden: donderdag 18 april 2013 15:16
Aan: Dutch Python developers and users
Onderwerp: Re: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or website and use Python

Hi,

There's many ways to create web apps with Python, it really depends on your use-cases and taste. If you just want to get started quickly, you can write CGI scripts in Python, almost all web servers can execute those and the learning curve is minimal, especially if you did any back-end development already. A tiny bit better and more complex would be to use 'WSGI' instead of CGI, which is very similar in a sense that it provides a way to hook Python into a webserver, but doesn't provide any framework for application development. For larger applications, you may want to consider using one of the web frameworks that Python has to offer, such as Django (somewhat similar to Ruby on Rails) or Zope (old-school heavy framework, but still used quite often). And if you're really adventurous, or have very specific use cases, you could always consider implementing the web server in Python yourself, too...

Cheers,

Guido

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Winkel, Alex van <a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl<mailto:a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl>> wrote:
L.S.,

Could someone give me a pointer where to look for lessons / studiematerial to create an application or website using Python.
So far I have learned a lot about the syntax of Python, but didn't create a stand-alone application with it yet...

( I hope my question is clear)

Regards,

Alex van Winkel

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From niels at nielsbom.com  Thu Apr 18 16:07:29 2013
From: niels at nielsbom.com (Niels Bom)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:07:29 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
 website and use Python
In-Reply-To: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
References: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
Message-ID: <CAAQV+ynpMiSW3eT8b67nHhk2-y1jH7qLWJ6eUXOGVyuhO79sfw@mail.gmail.com>

If you're still fairly new to Python I would start doing simple commandline
scripts/applications first. Later on switch to websites and/or GUI
applications.

This will bypass a big stack of problems/challenges you get when you're
making Python-powered websites. I've no experience with GUI applications
but a wild guess is that it's similar. There are frameworks to help you
with those challenges but if you're just trying to learn stuff they can get
in the way.

Applications that you start with the commandline can be
a) very useful
b) as complicated as any other Python application
So don't see it as something only for beginners :-)


Then again if you have a concrete idea for a website or GUI application go
right ahead :-)

-Niels


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Winkel, Alex van <
a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl> wrote:

>  L.S.,****
>
> ** **
>
> Could someone give me a pointer where to look for lessons / studiematerial
> to create an application or website using Python.****
>
> So far I have learned a lot about the syntax of Python, but didn?t create
> a stand-alone application with it yet?****
>
> ** **
>
> ( I hope my question is clear)****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,****
>
> ** **
>
> Alex van Winkel****
>
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From wichert at wiggy.net  Thu Apr 18 17:01:44 2013
From: wichert at wiggy.net (Wichert Akkerman)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:01:44 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
	website and use Python
In-Reply-To: <CAAQV+ynpMiSW3eT8b67nHhk2-y1jH7qLWJ6eUXOGVyuhO79sfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
	<CAAQV+ynpMiSW3eT8b67nHhk2-y1jH7qLWJ6eUXOGVyuhO79sfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C8781BF-7DDB-4F00-876F-4F4D8E07B7B3@wiggy.net>


On Apr 18, 2013, at 16:07 , Niels Bom <niels at nielsbom.com> wrote:

> If you're still fairly new to Python I would start doing simple commandline scripts/applications first. Later on switch to websites and/or GUI applications.
> 
> This will bypass a big stack of problems/challenges you get when you're making Python-powered websites. I've no experience with GUI applications but a wild guess is that it's similar. There are frameworks to help you with those challenges but if you're just trying to learn stuff they can get in the way.

For what it's worth the pyramid tutorials were written with python novices in mind. I'm not sure I really believe that starting with command line tool is necessarily simpler.

Wichert.


From kuno at frob.nl  Thu Apr 18 20:31:13 2013
From: kuno at frob.nl (Kuno Woudt)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:31:13 -0500
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
 website and use Python
In-Reply-To: <CAAQV+ynpMiSW3eT8b67nHhk2-y1jH7qLWJ6eUXOGVyuhO79sfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
	<CAAQV+ynpMiSW3eT8b67nHhk2-y1jH7qLWJ6eUXOGVyuhO79sfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51703BF1.7050109@frob.nl>

On 18-04-13 09:07, Niels Bom wrote:
> If you're still fairly new to Python I would start doing simple 
> commandline scripts/applications first. Later on switch to websites 
> and/or GUI applications.
>
> This will bypass a big stack of problems/challenges you get when 
> you're making Python-powered websites. I've no experience with GUI 
> applications but a wild guess is that it's similar.

The biggest challenge with GUI applications I found is that you 
typically will have to use a toolkit (Qt, GTK, or their windows/mac os x 
equivalents) which is not written in python, and for which the bindings 
will also not be very pythonic.  For example when using Qt you will soon 
need to know how to convert a python string to a QString and back, and 
all kinds of other details which are very specific to the toolkit and 
which do not help you appreciate and learn python in any way.  (My 
experience is with Qt only, perhaps this is less of a problem in other 
toolkits, but I do expect most of them to suffer from this in various 
degrees).

-- kuno / warp.

From maurits at vanrees.org  Fri Apr 19 00:14:44 2013
From: maurits at vanrees.org (Maurits van Rees)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:14:44 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Summaries PUN in Delft, 18 April 2013
Message-ID: <51707054.5090001@vanrees.org>

Hi,

Here are my summaries of this evening's PUN:
http://maurits.vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2013/04/pun

BTW, that site is happily using fanstatic.  :-)  Never mind that it 
still uses version 0.10.1...

Thanks for another great Python Users Netherlands meeting.

See you next time.  Any takers?

-- 
Maurits van Rees: http://maurits.vanrees.org/


From reinout at vanrees.org  Fri Apr 19 00:34:28 2013
From: reinout at vanrees.org (Reinout van Rees)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:34:28 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Summaries PUN in Delft, 18 April 2013
In-Reply-To: <51707054.5090001@vanrees.org>
References: <51707054.5090001@vanrees.org>
Message-ID: <kkpsdf$oav$1@ger.gmane.org>

On 19-04-13 00:14, Maurits van Rees wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here are my summaries of this evening's PUN:
> http://maurits.vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2013/04/pun

And here are mine :-)

http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2013/04/19/pun-delft.html

Overkill....


Reinout

-- 
Reinout van Rees                    http://reinout.vanrees.org/
reinout at vanrees.org             http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl/
"If you're not sure what to do, make something. -- Paul Graham"


From Chris.Wesseling at cwi.nl  Fri Apr 19 08:34:41 2013
From: Chris.Wesseling at cwi.nl (Chris Wesseling)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:34:41 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Summaries PUN in Delft, 18 April 2013
In-Reply-To: <kkpsdf$oav$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <51707054.5090001@vanrees.org> <kkpsdf$oav$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <476e7c03-b200-4cac-8b76-a610a45f775f@email.android.com>

Reinout van Rees <reinout at vanrees.org> wrote:

>On 19-04-13 00:14, Maurits van Rees wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here are my summaries of this evening's PUN:
>> http://maurits.vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2013/04/pun
>
>And here are mine :-)
>
>http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2013/04/19/pun-delft.html
>
>Overkill....
>
>
>Reinout

Wat zouden de afwezigen moeten doen zonder het geslacht Van Rees.

Bedankt weer.
-- 
Chris Wesseling
Centrum Wiskunde & Informatica (CWI)
https://www.cwi.nl/people/ccw

From motoom at xs4all.nl  Fri Apr 19 09:17:43 2013
From: motoom at xs4all.nl (Michiel Overtoom)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:17:43 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Summaries PUN in Delft, 18 April 2013
In-Reply-To: <kkpsdf$oav$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <51707054.5090001@vanrees.org> <kkpsdf$oav$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <B0D9B297-BCDD-45D5-873D-4D4537BC8E1A@xs4all.nl>


Hoi,

Reinout van Rees wrote:
> Maurits van Rees wrote:
>> Here are my summaries of this evening's PUN:
>> http://maurits.vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2013/04/pun
> And here are mine :-)
> http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2013/04/19/pun-delft.html

Bedankt! Nu weet ik wat ik moet bestuderen, zou ik ooit willen werken bij Fox-IT en een kans willen maken.

Groets,

-- 
Michiel Overtoom - http://www.michielovertoom.com/




From wouter at richtlijn.be  Sat Apr 20 11:53:44 2013
From: wouter at richtlijn.be (Wouter van Heyst)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:53:44 +0300
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
 website and use Python
In-Reply-To: <51703BF1.7050109@frob.nl>
References: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
	<CAAQV+ynpMiSW3eT8b67nHhk2-y1jH7qLWJ6eUXOGVyuhO79sfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<51703BF1.7050109@frob.nl>
Message-ID: <20130420095344.GA1580@hullut.dhcp.inet.fi>

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 13:31:13 -0500, Kuno Woudt wrote:
> On 18-04-13 09:07, Niels Bom wrote:
> >If you're still fairly new to Python I would start doing simple
> >commandline scripts/applications first. Later on switch to
> >websites and/or GUI applications.
> >
> >This will bypass a big stack of problems/challenges you get when
> >you're making Python-powered websites. I've no experience with GUI
> >applications but a wild guess is that it's similar.
> 
> The biggest challenge with GUI applications I found is that you
> typically will have to use a toolkit (Qt, GTK, or their windows/mac
> os x equivalents) which is not written in python, and for which the
> bindings will also not be very pythonic.  For example when using Qt
> you will soon need to know how to convert a python string to a
> QString and back, and all kinds of other details which are very
> specific to the toolkit and which do not help you appreciate and
> learn python in any way.  

Qt has multiple python bindings.  In PySide and newer versions of PyQt
one usually does not have to deal with QStrings and QVariants.  Then the
question becomes, do you support different versions, on which platforms?
Qt works on OSX nowadays but on phones it is a bit more iffy, and
on alternative python implementations like pypy these bindings don't
work at all.

So yeah, just learning python at first may not be a bad idea.

Wouter

From a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl  Sat Apr 20 23:20:26 2013
From: a.vanwinkel at summacollege.nl (Winkel, Alex van)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 21:20:26 +0000
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
 website and use Python
In-Reply-To: <20130420095344.GA1580@hullut.dhcp.inet.fi>
References: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DF8D5@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
	<CAAQV+ynpMiSW3eT8b67nHhk2-y1jH7qLWJ6eUXOGVyuhO79sfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<51703BF1.7050109@frob.nl>, <20130420095344.GA1580@hullut.dhcp.inet.fi>
Message-ID: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DFB1B@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>

Allright lads,

Thanks for all your good advice !
I allready downloaded Jango to start with and I'm still learning Python in the mean time.

Yesterday I wasn't able to attend to the PUN meeting, but I'm sure I will go to one soon.

Thanks again,

Alex

________________________________________
Van: Python-nl [python-nl-bounces+wial=roceindhoven.nl at python.org] namens Wouter van Heyst [wouter at richtlijn.be]
Verzonden: zaterdag 20 april 2013 11:53
To: Dutch Python developers and users
Onderwerp: Re: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or website and use Python

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 13:31:13 -0500, Kuno Woudt wrote:
> On 18-04-13 09:07, Niels Bom wrote:
> >If you're still fairly new to Python I would start doing simple
> >commandline scripts/applications first. Later on switch to
> >websites and/or GUI applications.
> >
> >This will bypass a big stack of problems/challenges you get when
> >you're making Python-powered websites. I've no experience with GUI
> >applications but a wild guess is that it's similar.
>
> The biggest challenge with GUI applications I found is that you
> typically will have to use a toolkit (Qt, GTK, or their windows/mac
> os x equivalents) which is not written in python, and for which the
> bindings will also not be very pythonic.  For example when using Qt
> you will soon need to know how to convert a python string to a
> QString and back, and all kinds of other details which are very
> specific to the toolkit and which do not help you appreciate and
> learn python in any way.

Qt has multiple python bindings.  In PySide and newer versions of PyQt
one usually does not have to deal with QStrings and QVariants.  Then the
question becomes, do you support different versions, on which platforms?
Qt works on OSX nowadays but on phones it is a bit more iffy, and
on alternative python implementations like pypy these bindings don't
work at all.

So yeah, just learning python at first may not be a bad idea.

Wouter
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From niels at nielsbom.com  Sun Apr 21 13:26:49 2013
From: niels at nielsbom.com (Niels Bom)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 13:26:49 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
 website and use Python
In-Reply-To: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DFB1B@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
References: <7E99689E469D7146957C833FE12C6E7E7DFB1B@exchcbv-fl01.summacollege.nl>
Message-ID: <000567408F1B457E88DBF7220A5C2C25@gmail.com>

There's a D in Django and it's silent ;-) 
Good luck!


On Saturday, 20 April 2013 at 23:20, Winkel, Alex van wrote:

> Allright lads,
> 
> Thanks for all your good advice !
> I allready downloaded Jango to start with and I'm still learning Python in the mean time.
> 
> Yesterday I wasn't able to attend to the PUN meeting, but I'm sure I will go to one soon.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Alex
> 
> ________________________________________
> Van: Python-nl [python-nl-bounces+wial=roceindhoven.nl at python.org] namens Wouter van Heyst [wouter at richtlijn.be]
> Verzonden: zaterdag 20 april 2013 11:53
> To: Dutch Python developers and users
> Onderwerp: Re: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or website and use Python
> 
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 13:31:13 -0500, Kuno Woudt wrote:
> > On 18-04-13 09:07, Niels Bom wrote:
> > > If you're still fairly new to Python I would start doing simple
> > > commandline scripts/applications first. Later on switch to
> > > websites and/or GUI applications.
> > > 
> > > This will bypass a big stack of problems/challenges you get when
> > > you're making Python-powered websites. I've no experience with GUI
> > > applications but a wild guess is that it's similar.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > The biggest challenge with GUI applications I found is that you
> > typically will have to use a toolkit (Qt, GTK, or their windows/mac
> > os x equivalents) which is not written in python, and for which the
> > bindings will also not be very pythonic. For example when using Qt
> > you will soon need to know how to convert a python string to a
> > QString and back, and all kinds of other details which are very
> > specific to the toolkit and which do not help you appreciate and
> > learn python in any way.
> > 
> 
> 
> Qt has multiple python bindings. In PySide and newer versions of PyQt
> one usually does not have to deal with QStrings and QVariants. Then the
> question becomes, do you support different versions, on which platforms?
> Qt works on OSX nowadays but on phones it is a bit more iffy, and
> on alternative python implementations like pypy these bindings don't
> work at all.
> 
> So yeah, just learning python at first may not be a bad idea.
> 
> Wouter
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From dave at indentity.nl  Mon Apr 22 12:10:29 2013
From: dave at indentity.nl (Dave de Fijter)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:10:29 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Need a pointer... how to create an application or
 website and use Python
Message-ID: <CAOf8Mw+sSRM59AsL=08988kYkb2P2FphvuX3+e=KC=pcfk567A@mail.gmail.com>

Could.. Not.. Resist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdg5Jr_NwTI

Sorry :)
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From reinout at vanrees.org  Mon Apr 22 15:16:39 2013
From: reinout at vanrees.org (Reinout van Rees)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:16:39 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] History of PUN
Message-ID: <kl3d7j$rum$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi,

After last week's summary, someone mailed me asking what the dutch 
python group is. So I wrote it down:

http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2013/04/22/dutch-python-usergroup.html

Regarding the history section: I think I was at the second or third PUN, 
one in Den Haag, but I'm probably missing some details. Does someone 
still remember how it really started? There's something in the back of 
my brain about europython 2002 and people talking about starting 
something in the Netherlands, but I'm totally not sure :-)


Reinout

-- 
Reinout van Rees                    http://reinout.vanrees.org/
reinout at vanrees.org             http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl/
"If you're not sure what to do, make something. -- Paul Graham"


From johnnydebris at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 15:54:48 2013
From: johnnydebris at gmail.com (Guido Wesdorp)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:54:48 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] History of PUN
In-Reply-To: <kl3d7j$rum$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <kl3d7j$rum$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAHB+uQBKQcyLntOYe7GOBKBPf=evG6JLb1a-j2-JVd8cdsMhvA@mail.gmail.com>

No, it was at the SANE (System Administrator and Network Engineering)
conference that year or the one before, where Jack Jansen (of MacPython
fame), Johannes of Amaze (can't remember his last name tbh, haven't seen
him around in a while, either...) and I decided that it might be fun to
have some beers and chat about Python every once in a while...

Cheers,

Guido


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Reinout van Rees <reinout at vanrees.org>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> After last week's summary, someone mailed me asking what the dutch python
> group is. So I wrote it down:
>
> http://reinout.vanrees.org/**weblog/2013/04/22/dutch-**
> python-usergroup.html<http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2013/04/22/dutch-python-usergroup.html>
>
> Regarding the history section: I think I was at the second or third PUN,
> one in Den Haag, but I'm probably missing some details. Does someone still
> remember how it really started? There's something in the back of my brain
> about europython 2002 and people talking about starting something in the
> Netherlands, but I'm totally not sure :-)
>
>
> Reinout
>
> --
> Reinout van Rees                    http://reinout.vanrees.org/
> reinout at vanrees.org             http://www.nelen-schuurmans.**nl/<http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl/>
> "If you're not sure what to do, make something. -- Paul Graham"
>
> ______________________________**_________________
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From j.bakker at atmind.nl  Mon Apr 22 16:36:19 2013
From: j.bakker at atmind.nl (Jeroen Bakker)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:36:19 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
Message-ID: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>

Hi,

for a project we are selecting a programming language. We prefer to use 
Python, but have some questions about using webservices. We need to call 
and implement some services based on a WSDL. Are there modules that can 
help us create the base client and server classes? And what are your 
experiences with python and webservices?

Thanks,
Rgds,
Jeroen & Monique
  - At Mind -

From wichert at wiggy.net  Mon Apr 22 16:46:14 2013
From: wichert at wiggy.net (Wichert Akkerman)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:46:14 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
In-Reply-To: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
References: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
Message-ID: <E4DA40E8-CAE0-4F5F-A712-464BDB96981F@wiggy.net>


On Apr 22, 2013, at 16:36 , Jeroen Bakker <j.bakker at atmind.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> for a project we are selecting a programming language. We prefer to use Python, but have some questions about using webservices. We need to call and implement some services based on a WSDL. Are there modules that can help us create the base client and server classes? And what are your experiences with python and webservices?

Ik zou op pypi even zoeken naar "soap", dan kom je vanzelf bruikbare dingen tegen: https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=soap&submit=search

Het is jaren geleden dat ik zelf iets met SOAP gedaan heb. De laatste keer dat ik keek was suds de beste SOAP-client om te gebruiken. Ik zou in ieder geval heel ver van zsi blijven.

Wichert.

From vladdrac at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 16:49:28 2013
From: vladdrac at gmail.com (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:49:28 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] History of PUN
In-Reply-To: <CAHB+uQBKQcyLntOYe7GOBKBPf=evG6JLb1a-j2-JVd8cdsMhvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <kl3d7j$rum$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<CAHB+uQBKQcyLntOYe7GOBKBPf=evG6JLb1a-j2-JVd8cdsMhvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOD=aV-yrFzuGTU-Ji5UgBiLietJPpb0vJztEYhrEApZ2h=0zA@mail.gmail.com>

I was there as well :) The first "official" meeting was in the Engelenbak.
It must have been around 2004 (I left Amaze in 2005). Johannes (Gijsbers)
was one of the organizing people behind it.

Actually I found a related mail (with names of people present) from Nov 7
2004, so it must have been around that date.


2013/4/22 Guido Wesdorp <johnnydebris at gmail.com>

> No, it was at the SANE (System Administrator and Network Engineering)
> conference that year or the one before, where Jack Jansen (of MacPython
> fame), Johannes of Amaze (can't remember his last name tbh, haven't seen
> him around in a while, either...) and I decided that it might be fun to
> have some beers and chat about Python every once in a while...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Guido
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Reinout van Rees <reinout at vanrees.org>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> After last week's summary, someone mailed me asking what the dutch python
>> group is. So I wrote it down:
>>
>> http://reinout.vanrees.org/**weblog/2013/04/22/dutch-**
>> python-usergroup.html<http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2013/04/22/dutch-python-usergroup.html>
>>
>> Regarding the history section: I think I was at the second or third PUN,
>> one in Den Haag, but I'm probably missing some details. Does someone still
>> remember how it really started? There's something in the back of my brain
>> about europython 2002 and people talking about starting something in the
>> Netherlands, but I'm totally not sure :-)
>>
>>
>> Reinout
>>
>> --
>> Reinout van Rees                    http://reinout.vanrees.org/
>> reinout at vanrees.org             http://www.nelen-schuurmans.**nl/<http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl/>
>> "If you're not sure what to do, make something. -- Paul Graham"
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Python-nl mailing list
>> Python-nl at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/python-nl<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
>
>


-- 
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From nicolaas at l1nda.nl  Mon Apr 22 17:00:56 2013
From: nicolaas at l1nda.nl (Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:00:56 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
In-Reply-To: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
References: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
Message-ID: <CAHos9a6rvHzF3APu9QGuXn8xKo_PviB5Tkcea7mOMhqhWAe6eg@mail.gmail.com>

He Jeroen,

We've been using SUDS for a while now and si far stukk suits our needs.

Greetings,
Nicolaas


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeroen Bakker <j.bakker at atmind.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> for a project we are selecting a programming language. We prefer to use
> Python, but have some questions about using webservices. We need to call
> and implement some services based on a WSDL. Are there modules that can
> help us create the base client and server classes? And what are your
> experiences with python and webservices?
>
> Thanks,
> Rgds,
> Jeroen & Monique
>  - At Mind -
> ______________________________**_________________
> Python-nl mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/python-nl<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl>
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From m.dewanchand at atmind.nl  Mon Apr 22 17:16:50 2013
From: m.dewanchand at atmind.nl (Monique)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:16:50 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
In-Reply-To: <CAHos9a6rvHzF3APu9QGuXn8xKo_PviB5Tkcea7mOMhqhWAe6eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
	<CAHos9a6rvHzF3APu9QGuXn8xKo_PviB5Tkcea7mOMhqhWAe6eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51755462.4040302@atmind.nl>

Hi Nicolaas,

I thought SUDS was only a SOAP client, correct? We need a client and a 
server.

Thx!
rgds,Jeroen & Monique


On 4/22/13 5:00 PM, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
> He Jeroen,
>
> We've been using SUDS for a while now and si far stukk suits our needs.
>
> Greetings,
> Nicolaas
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeroen Bakker <j.bakker at atmind.nl 
> <mailto:j.bakker at atmind.nl>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     for a project we are selecting a programming language. We prefer
>     to use Python, but have some questions about using webservices. We
>     need to call and implement some services based on a WSDL. Are
>     there modules that can help us create the base client and server
>     classes? And what are your experiences with python and webservices?
>
>     Thanks,
>     Rgds,
>     Jeroen & Monique
>      - At Mind -
>     _______________________________________________
>     Python-nl mailing list
>     Python-nl at python.org <mailto:Python-nl at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
>
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From m.dewanchand at atmind.nl  Mon Apr 22 17:19:25 2013
From: m.dewanchand at atmind.nl (Monique)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:19:25 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
In-Reply-To: <E4DA40E8-CAE0-4F5F-A712-464BDB96981F@wiggy.net>
References: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
	<E4DA40E8-CAE0-4F5F-A712-464BDB96981F@wiggy.net>
Message-ID: <517554FD.7060305@atmind.nl>

Hi Wichert,

Zou je kunnen toelichten waarom zsi niet zou volstaan?

Thx!
gr,
Jeroen & Monique


On 4/22/13 4:46 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2013, at 16:36 , Jeroen Bakker <j.bakker at atmind.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> for a project we are selecting a programming language. We prefer to use Python, but have some questions about using webservices. We need to call and implement some services based on a WSDL. Are there modules that can help us create the base client and server classes? And what are your experiences with python and webservices?
> Ik zou op pypi even zoeken naar "soap", dan kom je vanzelf bruikbare dingen tegen: https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=soap&submit=search
>
> Het is jaren geleden dat ik zelf iets met SOAP gedaan heb. De laatste keer dat ik keek was suds de beste SOAP-client om te gebruiken. Ik zou in ieder geval heel ver van zsi blijven.
>
> Wichert.
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From nicolaas at l1nda.nl  Mon Apr 22 17:27:31 2013
From: nicolaas at l1nda.nl (Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:27:31 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
In-Reply-To: <51755462.4040302@atmind.nl>
References: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
	<CAHos9a6rvHzF3APu9QGuXn8xKo_PviB5Tkcea7mOMhqhWAe6eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<51755462.4040302@atmind.nl>
Message-ID: <CAHos9a4V+h7gMKD-=X+k44VKbUiFvST9+vOTauXeRiV1VrzgxQ@mail.gmail.com>

For hosting the webservice we use Soaplib.
Takes some figuring out how to set it up, but it works fine. Has automatic
WSDL generation.

Nicolaas


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Monique <m.dewanchand at atmind.nl> wrote:

>  Hi Nicolaas,
>
> I thought SUDS was only a SOAP client, correct? We need a client and a
> server.
>
> Thx!
> rgds, Jeroen & Monique
>
>
>  On 4/22/13 5:00 PM, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
>
> He Jeroen,
>
>  We've been using SUDS for a while now and si far stukk suits our needs.
>
>  Greetings,
> Nicolaas
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeroen Bakker <j.bakker at atmind.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> for a project we are selecting a programming language. We prefer to use
>> Python, but have some questions about using webservices. We need to call
>> and implement some services based on a WSDL. Are there modules that can
>> help us create the base client and server classes? And what are your
>> experiences with python and webservices?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rgds,
>> Jeroen & Monique
>>  - At Mind -
>> _______________________________________________
>> Python-nl mailing list
>> Python-nl at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Python-nl mailing listPython-nl at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
>
>
>
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From thisfred at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 19:14:02 2013
From: thisfred at gmail.com (Eric Casteleijn)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:14:02 -0700
Subject: [python-nl] History of PUN
In-Reply-To: <CAOD=aV-yrFzuGTU-Ji5UgBiLietJPpb0vJztEYhrEApZ2h=0zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <kl3d7j$rum$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<CAHB+uQBKQcyLntOYe7GOBKBPf=evG6JLb1a-j2-JVd8cdsMhvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOD=aV-yrFzuGTU-Ji5UgBiLietJPpb0vJztEYhrEApZ2h=0zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKTkm3yVdPYi78mgoT_+k1iDUfyRGAG=uq6MJHz_viwhjLmhRQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was there as well and remember discussing the name. I remember Just van
Rossum and Jack Jansen being there as well, in addition to Guido and Ivo.
Even though I haven't attended in a while, I would still like (and pay
money for) a "PUN indented" T-shirt. ;)


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Ivo van der Wijk <vladdrac at gmail.com>wrote:

> I was there as well :) The first "official" meeting was in the Engelenbak.
> It must have been around 2004 (I left Amaze in 2005). Johannes (Gijsbers)
> was one of the organizing people behind it.
>
> Actually I found a related mail (with names of people present) from Nov 7
> 2004, so it must have been around that date.
>
>
> 2013/4/22 Guido Wesdorp <johnnydebris at gmail.com>
>
>> No, it was at the SANE (System Administrator and Network Engineering)
>> conference that year or the one before, where Jack Jansen (of MacPython
>> fame), Johannes of Amaze (can't remember his last name tbh, haven't seen
>> him around in a while, either...) and I decided that it might be fun to
>> have some beers and chat about Python every once in a while...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Guido
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Reinout van Rees <reinout at vanrees.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> After last week's summary, someone mailed me asking what the dutch
>>> python group is. So I wrote it down:
>>>
>>> http://reinout.vanrees.org/**weblog/2013/04/22/dutch-**
>>> python-usergroup.html<http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2013/04/22/dutch-python-usergroup.html>
>>>
>>> Regarding the history section: I think I was at the second or third PUN,
>>> one in Den Haag, but I'm probably missing some details. Does someone still
>>> remember how it really started? There's something in the back of my brain
>>> about europython 2002 and people talking about starting something in the
>>> Netherlands, but I'm totally not sure :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Reinout
>>>
>>> --
>>> Reinout van Rees                    http://reinout.vanrees.org/
>>> reinout at vanrees.org             http://www.nelen-schuurmans.**nl/<http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl/>
>>> "If you're not sure what to do, make something. -- Paul Graham"
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Python-nl mailing list
>>> Python-nl at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/python-nl<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Python-nl mailing list
>> Python-nl at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> Linux/Python/Django/Android and Open Source solutions
> PO-box 51091, 1007 EB Amsterdam, The Netherlands
> Email: ivo <at> m3r.nl Web: http://m3r.eu/
>
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From wichert at wiggy.net  Mon Apr 22 19:31:22 2013
From: wichert at wiggy.net (Wichert Akkerman)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:31:22 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
In-Reply-To: <517554FD.7060305@atmind.nl>
References: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
	<E4DA40E8-CAE0-4F5F-A712-464BDB96981F@wiggy.net>
	<517554FD.7060305@atmind.nl>
Message-ID: <56E76B64-EF0E-417B-811F-AD491413D626@wiggy.net>


On Apr 22, 2013, at 17:19 , Monique <m.dewanchand at atmind.nl> wrote:

> Hi Wichert,
> 
> Zou je kunnen toelichten waarom zsi niet zou volstaan?

Mijn ervaring met zsi destijds (2004 denk ik) waren niet heel positief: het was de beste optie die er toen was, maar de implementatie was ontzettend complex en nieuw waardoor je ontzettend veel moeite moest doen om dingen werkend te krijgen en vaak om zsi heen moest werken.

Wichert.

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From johnnydebris at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 21:06:06 2013
From: johnnydebris at gmail.com (Guido Wesdorp)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:06:06 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] History of PUN
In-Reply-To: <CAKTkm3yVdPYi78mgoT_+k1iDUfyRGAG=uq6MJHz_viwhjLmhRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <kl3d7j$rum$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<CAHB+uQBKQcyLntOYe7GOBKBPf=evG6JLb1a-j2-JVd8cdsMhvA@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh, ehrm, yeah, of course you guys were there too, sorry... Getting old...
;)

And yeah, those t-shirts would still be fun indeed.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Eric Casteleijn <thisfred at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was there as well and remember discussing the name. I remember Just van
> Rossum and Jack Jansen being there as well, in addition to Guido and Ivo.
> Even though I haven't attended in a while, I would still like (and pay
> money for) a "PUN indented" T-shirt. ;)
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Ivo van der Wijk <vladdrac at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I was there as well :) The first "official" meeting was in the
>> Engelenbak. It must have been around 2004 (I left Amaze in 2005). Johannes
>> (Gijsbers) was one of the organizing people behind it.
>>
>> Actually I found a related mail (with names of people present) from Nov 7
>> 2004, so it must have been around that date.
>>
>>
>> 2013/4/22 Guido Wesdorp <johnnydebris at gmail.com>
>>
>>> No, it was at the SANE (System Administrator and Network Engineering)
>>> conference that year or the one before, where Jack Jansen (of MacPython
>>> fame), Johannes of Amaze (can't remember his last name tbh, haven't seen
>>> him around in a while, either...) and I decided that it might be fun to
>>> have some beers and chat about Python every once in a while...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Guido
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Reinout van Rees <reinout at vanrees.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> After last week's summary, someone mailed me asking what the dutch
>>>> python group is. So I wrote it down:
>>>>
>>>> http://reinout.vanrees.org/**weblog/2013/04/22/dutch-**
>>>> python-usergroup.html<http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2013/04/22/dutch-python-usergroup.html>
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the history section: I think I was at the second or third
>>>> PUN, one in Den Haag, but I'm probably missing some details. Does someone
>>>> still remember how it really started? There's something in the back of my
>>>> brain about europython 2002 and people talking about starting something in
>>>> the Netherlands, but I'm totally not sure :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reinout
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Reinout van Rees                    http://reinout.vanrees.org/
>>>> reinout at vanrees.org             http://www.nelen-schuurmans.**nl/<http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl/>
>>>> "If you're not sure what to do, make something. -- Paul Graham"
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Drs. I.R. van der Wijk / m3r Consultancy B.V.
>> Linux/Python/Django/Android and Open Source solutions
>> PO-box 51091, 1007 EB Amsterdam, The Netherlands
>> Email: ivo <at> m3r.nl Web: http://m3r.eu/
>>
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>
>
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From guido at kollerie.com  Mon Apr 22 21:21:59 2013
From: guido at kollerie.com (Guido Kollerie)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:21:59 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
In-Reply-To: <51755462.4040302@atmind.nl>
References: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
	<CAHos9a6rvHzF3APu9QGuXn8xKo_PviB5Tkcea7mOMhqhWAe6eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<51755462.4040302@atmind.nl>
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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Monique <m.dewanchand at atmind.nl> wrote:

Hi Monique,

> I thought SUDS was only a SOAP client, correct? We need a client and a
> server.

I suppose you could always try Jython to code against a Java SOAP/WSDL
library if it turns out that non of the Python libraries are a viable
option.

-- 
Guido

From faassen at startifact.com  Mon Apr 22 22:32:21 2013
From: faassen at startifact.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:32:21 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] History of PUN
In-Reply-To: <CAHB+uQCePFrxu+i6yjW-fnx338-MrdH0uP1YP7quWPwnSN+2Nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <kl3d7j$rum$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<CAHB+uQBKQcyLntOYe7GOBKBPf=evG6JLb1a-j2-JVd8cdsMhvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOD=aV-yrFzuGTU-Ji5UgBiLietJPpb0vJztEYhrEApZ2h=0zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKTkm3yVdPYi78mgoT_+k1iDUfyRGAG=uq6MJHz_viwhjLmhRQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi there,

I think I petitioned for this mailing list (python-nl) to be created
somewhere around 2003 (I checked mailman archives). Then I didn't do
anything to promote it for a while so it barely had any traffic; I told
Guido Wesdorp about it and he started using it for PUN.

Anyway, the mailing list archives are pretty clear about what year PUN
started, in 2004 (not 2002):

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-nl/2004-October/000009.html

Groeten,

Martijn
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From j.bakker at atmind.nl  Tue Apr 23 10:24:14 2013
From: j.bakker at atmind.nl (Jeroen Bakker)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:24:14 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
In-Reply-To: <CAArq9V_BgEt779S5S-J2+ErHOMvzW1MuSZ4SfVsY4wQ3qotCBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
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Message-ID: <5176452E.4000802@atmind.nl>



On 04/22/2013 09:21 PM, Guido Kollerie wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Monique <m.dewanchand at atmind.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi Monique,
>
> I suppose you could always try Jython to code against a Java SOAP/WSDL
> library if it turns out that non of the Python libraries are a viable
> option.
Hi Guido,

Thanks for the option, but we think when choosing for Jython, the best 
option is to develop it in Java though.
We did a test with soaplib using django and seems to be a good option. 
We had some problems matching the right documentation with the right 
version.

Rgds,
Jeroen & Monique
  - At Mind -

From faassen at startifact.com  Tue Apr 23 10:33:23 2013
From: faassen at startifact.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:33:23 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Webservices question
In-Reply-To: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
References: <51754AE3.1000103@atmind.nl>
Message-ID: <CAGT4ZFjVQ6X6_gqC12E9wtYwBYtCHN=Bura4m_yNnCuuSDOytw@mail.gmail.com>

Hoi,

Ik zou eens naar 'ladon' kijken. Ik heb er wel eens iets kleins mee gedaan.

http://ladonize.org/

Dat heeft WSDL support.

Voor een client kun je suds gebruiken, dat is al genoemd.

Ik heb verder voornamelijk ervaring met RESTful web services.

Groeten,

Martijn
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From nicolaas at l1nda.nl  Tue Apr 23 17:45:23 2013
From: nicolaas at l1nda.nl (Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:45:23 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
Message-ID: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

We, L1NDA, are ready to scale up our succes and are looking for an
experienced and skilled developer who would like to become our new backend
architect so that the founders can focus more on the commercial side of our
company.

We offer a full time job in the center of Amsterdam with a competitive
salary and a very exciting company to work in.

For more info please look at:
http://www.l1nda.nl/vacatures.php

Hope to hear from you.

Greetings,
Nicolaas Heyning
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From info at marutec.nl  Tue Apr 23 18:00:05 2013
From: info at marutec.nl (Marcel van den Elst)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:00:05 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5176B005.6020000@progressivecompany.nl>

don't we all...

On 23-04-13 17:45, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We, L1NDA, are ready to scale up our succes and are looking for an
> experienced and skilled developer who would like to become our new
> backend architect so that the founders can focus more on the commercial
> side of our company.
>
> We offer a full time job in the center of Amsterdam with a competitive
> salary and a very exciting company to work in.
>
> For more info please look at:
> http://www.l1nda.nl/vacatures.php
>
> Hope to hear from you.
>
> Greetings,
> Nicolaas Heyning
>

From onnodb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 23 22:29:38 2013
From: onnodb at gmail.com (Onno Broekmans)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:29:38 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Teaching scientists to write better code: Software
 Carpentry, Amsterdam, May 2-3
Message-ID: <CANgiqu6TJeSY_nZkLsxMBLXBSesijaXEUGffv1e4XQQZCB-7TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

If you're interested in teaching Python, and/or interested in science,
do read on...!


========== Summary / TL;DR ==========

For the first time, Software Carpentry is coming to the Netherlands.
Supported by the Mozilla Foundation, they teach scientists to write
better code, which is very much needed...
On May 2-3, SC are teaching a Python-based workshop in Amsterdam, for
40 young scientists. If you're interested in helping out, either
during this particular workshop, or in general, we'd love to hear from
you!


========== Scientists & Spaghetti Code ==========

Scientists are becoming more and more dependent on custom-written
software for collecting and analyzing their data. How else are you
going to control the sheer complexity of a particle accelerator, DNA
sequencer or Hubble Space Telescope?
However, many researchers are entirely self-tought, which leads to a
lot of problems and spaghetti code. See [1] for some interesting
background stories...

An important part of the solution consists of teaching young
scientists core skills such as program construction, version control,
testing, command-line scripting and data management ? something that's
not properly taught yet at universities.

[1] http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101013/full/467775a.html


========== About the Software Carpentry Workshop ==========

Software Carpentry helps researchers be more productive by teaching
them basic computing skills. They run Python-based boot camps at
dozens of sites around the world, and also provide open access
material online for self-paced instruction. The benefits are more
reliable results and higher productivity: a day a week is common, and
a ten-fold improvement isn't rare. SC is a volunteer organization,
supported by the Sloan Foundation and the Mozilla Foundation.

On Thu-Fri May 2-3, SC are giving their first workshop in Holland, at
VU University Amsterdam. If you're interested in Python education for
scientists, and helping us out, we'd love to hear from you! Ways you
could get involved are:

 - Join the workshop, and help participants by walking around and
answering questions. If you have experience with UNIX, the shell and
Python: we could use a few more people... (Joining for just a single
day is possible).

 - There will be informal drinks on Friday 3rd (tentative), on the VU
campus. This'd be a great opportunity to meet up, and talk to the
people from Software Carpentry about ways to contribute to the
project.

Please feel free to contact me (onnodb [AT] g/mail.com) with any
questions you might have, or for more information.

For more general information, please see:
http://www.software-carpentry.org
http://www.data2semantics.org/bootcamp

Thanks for your time!


Onno Broekmans
(PhD student in biophysics, VU University Amsterdam)

From spaans at fox-it.com  Wed Apr 24 09:41:32 2013
From: spaans at fox-it.com (Jasper Spaans)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <5176B005.6020000@progressivecompany.nl>
References: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5176B005.6020000@progressivecompany.nl>
Message-ID: <51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com>

The full time jobs I'm offering are not in the center of Amsterdam (but
we do have canals nearby) ;)

On 04/23/2013 06:00 PM, Marcel van den Elst wrote:
> don't we all...
>
> On 23-04-13 17:45, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
>> We offer a full time job in the center of Amsterdam with a competitive
>> salary and a very exciting company to work in.

-- 
 /\____/\   ir. Jasper Spaans // Lead Developer DetACT
 \   (_)/   Fox-IT - For a more secure society!
  \    X    T: +31-15-2847999       
   \  / \   M: +31-6-41588725
    \/      KvK Haaglanden 27301624


From berco.beute at paylogic.com  Wed Apr 24 10:00:01 2013
From: berco.beute at paylogic.com (Berco Beute)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:00:01 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com>
References: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5176B005.6020000@progressivecompany.nl> <51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com>
Message-ID: <CAH2Qa4mo7vSeeXhsutZh1LVKn3yi96aF7A=i=iQoBBXRoAAUnw@mail.gmail.com>

The jobs Paylogic is offering <http://www.paylogic.com/en/vacancy/> are *not
* in the center of Amsterdam and *do not* have canals nearby. Made of win!
:)

Berco


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Jasper Spaans <spaans at fox-it.com> wrote:

> The full time jobs I'm offering are not in the center of Amsterdam (but
> we do have canals nearby) ;)
>
> On 04/23/2013 06:00 PM, Marcel van den Elst wrote:
> > don't we all...
> >
> > On 23-04-13 17:45, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
> >> We offer a full time job in the center of Amsterdam with a competitive
> >> salary and a very exciting company to work in.
>
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From info at marutec.nl  Wed Apr 24 11:28:19 2013
From: info at marutec.nl (Marcel van den Elst)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:28:19 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] [job!] Code magician wanted!
In-Reply-To: <51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com>
References: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5176B005.6020000@progressivecompany.nl>
	<51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com>
Message-ID: <5177A5B3.5000600@progressivecompany.nl>

It does seem `canals` is the key word here...

Okay, out with it: for those of you who prefer Utrecht, we're looking 
for additional animals (http://www.paulgraham.com/start.html) to 
complement our team.

We are en route to revolutionize project management with Progressive 
Planning. We are the authors of backbone-relational and contribute to 
backbone and jquery. We create RESTful APIs with 
Python/Pyramid/MongoDB/(brrr)Ruby and badass javascript. We create 
incredible interfaces. And we laugh a lot.

Drop me a line if you're interested, experienced and revolutionary.


On 24-04-13 09:41, Jasper Spaans wrote:
> The full time jobs I'm offering are not in the center of Amsterdam (but
> we do have canals nearby) ;)
>
> On 04/23/2013 06:00 PM, Marcel van den Elst wrote:
>> don't we all...
>>
>> On 23-04-13 17:45, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
>>> We offer a full time job in the center of Amsterdam with a competitive
>>> salary and a very exciting company to work in.
>

-- 

Marcel van den Elst
marcel at progressivecompany.nl
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcelvandenelst
+31647934524

Progressive Company - reintroducing common sense 1.0
Progressive Planning - http://www.progressiveplanning.com

Maliesingel 29
3581 BJ  Utrecht
The Netherlands

From dennis.kaarsemaker at booking.com  Thu Apr 25 10:22:31 2013
From: dennis.kaarsemaker at booking.com (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:22:31 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com>
References: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5176B005.6020000@progressivecompany.nl> <51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com>
Message-ID: <1366878151.2435.27.camel@seahawk>

On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 09:41 +0200, Jasper Spaans wrote:
> The full time jobs I'm offering are not in the center of Amsterdam (but
> we do have canals nearby) ;)
> 
> On 04/23/2013 06:00 PM, Marcel van den Elst wrote:
> > don't we all...
> >
> > On 23-04-13 17:45, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
> >> We offer a full time job in the center of Amsterdam with a competitive
> >> salary and a very exciting company to work in.

I only have a contract position open (2 months at least, working on an
internal django app) next to a canal in the centre of Amsterdam :)
 
-- 
Dennis Kaarsemaker, Systems Architect
Booking.com
Herengracht 597, 1017 CE Amsterdam
Tel external +31 (0) 20 715 3409
Tel internal (7207) 3409


From nicolaas at l1nda.nl  Thu Apr 25 10:51:06 2013
From: nicolaas at l1nda.nl (Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:51:06 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <1366878151.2435.27.camel@seahawk>
References: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5176B005.6020000@progressivecompany.nl> <51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com>
	<1366878151.2435.27.camel@seahawk>
Message-ID: <CAHos9a5Ywvj6txhB7=x0ENx=MCSOW82uS0dkOSFZs75cifzk=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Clearly the others don't have enough canals and city centre ;-)



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Dennis Kaarsemaker <
dennis.kaarsemaker at booking.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 09:41 +0200, Jasper Spaans wrote:
> > The full time jobs I'm offering are not in the center of Amsterdam (but
> > we do have canals nearby) ;)
> >
> > On 04/23/2013 06:00 PM, Marcel van den Elst wrote:
> > > don't we all...
> > >
> > > On 23-04-13 17:45, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
> > >> We offer a full time job in the center of Amsterdam with a competitive
> > >> salary and a very exciting company to work in.
>
> I only have a contract position open (2 months at least, working on an
> internal django app) next to a canal in the centre of Amsterdam :)
>
> --
> Dennis Kaarsemaker, Systems Architect
> Booking.com
> Herengracht 597, 1017 CE Amsterdam
> Tel external +31 (0) 20 715 3409
> Tel internal (7207) 3409
>
> _______________________________________________
> Python-nl mailing list
> Python-nl at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
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From z.soebhan at gmail.com  Thu Apr 25 11:33:19 2013
From: z.soebhan at gmail.com (Zaheer Soebhan)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:33:19 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
In-Reply-To: <CAHos9a5Ywvj6txhB7=x0ENx=MCSOW82uS0dkOSFZs75cifzk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5176B005.6020000@progressivecompany.nl>
	<51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com> <1366878151.2435.27.camel@seahawk>
	<CAHos9a5Ywvj6txhB7=x0ENx=MCSOW82uS0dkOSFZs75cifzk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPR7BiH4HrEuDLhckdh1e1FSenmrff7JrU6+_8__dqjEuPejig@mail.gmail.com>

Oeh, canals...

That Django pic on the L1NDA.nl is really funny, by the way.


2013/4/25 Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl <nicolaas at l1nda.nl>

> Clearly the others don't have enough canals and city centre ;-)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Dennis Kaarsemaker <
> dennis.kaarsemaker at booking.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 09:41 +0200, Jasper Spaans wrote:
>> > The full time jobs I'm offering are not in the center of Amsterdam (but
>> > we do have canals nearby) ;)
>> >
>> > On 04/23/2013 06:00 PM, Marcel van den Elst wrote:
>> > > don't we all...
>> > >
>> > > On 23-04-13 17:45, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
>> > >> We offer a full time job in the center of Amsterdam with a
>> competitive
>> > >> salary and a very exciting company to work in.
>>
>> I only have a contract position open (2 months at least, working on an
>> internal django app) next to a canal in the centre of Amsterdam :)
>>
>> --
>> Dennis Kaarsemaker, Systems Architect
>> Booking.com
>> Herengracht 597, 1017 CE Amsterdam
>> Tel external +31 (0) 20 715 3409
>> Tel internal (7207) 3409
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Python-nl mailing list
>> Python-nl at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From motoom at xs4all.nl  Thu Apr 25 11:36:37 2013
From: motoom at xs4all.nl (Michiel Overtoom)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:36:37 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
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On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:51, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:

> Clearly the others don't have enough canals and city centre ;-)

Maybe there would be more response if one gives somewhat more information and specifics on the work involved, instead of a generic 'work on a Django app' qualification.

Greetings,

-- 
"If you don't know, the thing to do is not to get scared, but to learn." - Ayn Rand      




From nicolaas at l1nda.nl  Thu Apr 25 11:51:40 2013
From: nicolaas at l1nda.nl (Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:51:40 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
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Good point!

L1NDA is an online solution for organizing workschedules
(demo<https://demo-caferestaurant.l1nda.nl/secure_login_active/f2daaabf7485e912ccf8dfd4acb5b480a173b31c/week/>).
We are growing steadily and after closing our first investment round ready
to scale-up and conquer the world.
As a Django/Python Developer you will contribute in the overall
architecture of the product and production environment. You will be
responsible for the development of the product core, and the application of
good development practices in building a world-class SaaS platform. You
will be working closely with the product owners and you will be protecting
the quality of the product and production environments. You should have a
genuine interest in automating processes.

Your role

   - Build a secure, scalable, high performance and robust self service
   platform (production environment)
   - Participate in all aspects of the software life-cycle (from
   specification to architecture design, development, testing, debugging,
   maintenance and rollout to production)
   - You will be hands-on coding in developing and maintaining high quality
   and maintainable code base
   - You will keep yourself informed on new emerging technologies that
   might be useful for the development of current and new versions of our
   products and production
   - Introduce and improve software development best practices like
   continuous integration, unit testing code reviews, etc.
   - You will safe guard the product quality, introducing and applying QA
   best practices
   - As the team grows you will lead a team of developers from different
   disciplines


If interested, email me.

Nicolaas


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Michiel Overtoom <motoom at xs4all.nl> wrote:

>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:51, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
>
> > Clearly the others don't have enough canals and city centre ;-)
>
> Maybe there would be more response if one gives somewhat more information
> and specifics on the work involved, instead of a generic 'work on a Django
> app' qualification.
>
> Greetings,
>
> --
> "If you don't know, the thing to do is not to get scared, but to learn." -
> Ayn Rand
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Python-nl mailing list
> Python-nl at python.org
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From motoom at xs4all.nl  Thu Apr 25 12:17:18 2013
From: motoom at xs4all.nl (Michiel Overtoom)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:17:18 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
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On Apr 25, 2013, at 11:51, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:

> Good point!

That's a good start. However, most of your points are generic software engineering skills which could be equally well applied to any project or team. I see that in a lot of hiring posts, along with 'become part of a fantastic team' mantra.

To get really specific and interesting, and set yourself apart, maybe you should elaborate on what you mean by 'contributing to the overall architecture' and what 'working closely with the product owners' precisely entails. Is the job mainly about consolidation and refactoring the existing codebase? If expansion is the focus of the job, what new functionality can one expect to implement?  Or am I asking too much now?

PS. I browsed the demo, nice product. But with a bigger fontsize in the browser some text seems to be cut off...

-- 
"Control over the use of one's ideas really constitutes control over other people's lives; and it is usually used to make their lives more difficult." - Richard Stallman



> L1NDA is an online solution for organizing workschedules (demo). We are growing steadily and after closing our first investment round ready to scale-up and conquer the world.
> 
> As a Django/Python Developer you will contribute in the overall architecture of the product and production environment. You will be responsible for the development of the product core, and the application of good development practices in building a world-class SaaS platform. You will be working closely with the product owners and you will be protecting the quality of the product and production environments. You should have a genuine interest in automating processes.
> 
> Your role
> 
> Build a secure, scalable, high performance and robust self service platform (production environment)
> Participate in all aspects of the software life-cycle (from specification to architecture design, development, testing, debugging, maintenance and rollout to production)
> You will be hands-on coding in developing and maintaining high quality and maintainable code base
> You will keep yourself informed on new emerging technologies that might be useful for the development of current and new versions of our products and production
> Introduce and improve software development best practices like continuous integration, unit testing code reviews, etc.
> You will safe guard the product quality, introducing and applying QA best practices
> As the team grows you will lead a team of developers from different disciplines
> 

> L1NDA is an online solution for organizing workschedules (demo). We are growing steadily and after closing our first investment round ready to scale-up and conquer the world.
> As a Django/Python Developer you will contribute in the overall architecture of the product and production environment. You will be responsible for the development of the product core, and the application of good development practices in building a world-class SaaS platform. You will be working closely with the product owners and you will be protecting the quality of the product and production environments. You should have a genuine interest in automating processes.
> 
> Your role
> 	? Build a secure, scalable, high performance and robust self service platform (production environment)
> 	? Participate in all aspects of the software life-cycle (from specification to architecture design, development, testing, debugging, maintenance and rollout to production)
> 	? You will be hands-on coding in developing and maintaining high quality and maintainable code base
> 	? You will keep yourself informed on new emerging technologies that might be useful for the development of current and new versions of our products and production
> 	? Introduce and improve software development best practices like continuous integration, unit testing code reviews, etc.
> 	? You will safe guard the product quality, introducing and applying QA best practices
> 	? As the team grows you will lead a team of developers from different disciplines



From nicolaas at l1nda.nl  Thu Apr 25 17:10:11 2013
From: nicolaas at l1nda.nl (Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:10:11 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Senior Python/Django developer wanted
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References: <CAHos9a4mgxGrLOqt-TiQDarBEOpGg+DCREiWz33e0vSmmFdwGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5176B005.6020000@progressivecompany.nl> <51778CAC.3070408@fox-it.com>
	<1366878151.2435.27.camel@seahawk>
	<CAHos9a5Ywvj6txhB7=x0ENx=MCSOW82uS0dkOSFZs75cifzk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BD19E8AB-EBDA-4DE2-BA26-90E3BC31DA84@xs4all.nl>
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The reason why it's still pretty generic is because we are looking for a
long term commitment and I can't post our complete roadmap on the python
mailing list.
But I would love to discuss our plans in more detail if anyone is
interested for a visit.

Part of the work is refactoring the existing codebase, but after some 3
months this should be done. And then we have many new features we would
like to implement, one example is a rule based user training and coaching
module. Further more we will have continuous performance challenges while
our userbase and the functionalities grow.

You will get help from a UX'er and a front-end developer so bigger fontsize
issues are outside the scope :-)

Nicolaas


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Michiel Overtoom <motoom at xs4all.nl> wrote:

>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 11:51, Nicolaas Heyning | L1NDA.nl wrote:
>
> > Good point!
>
> That's a good start. However, most of your points are generic software
> engineering skills which could be equally well applied to any project or
> team. I see that in a lot of hiring posts, along with 'become part of a
> fantastic team' mantra.
>
> To get really specific and interesting, and set yourself apart, maybe you
> should elaborate on what you mean by 'contributing to the overall
> architecture' and what 'working closely with the product owners' precisely
> entails. Is the job mainly about consolidation and refactoring the existing
> codebase? If expansion is the focus of the job, what new functionality can
> one expect to implement?  Or am I asking too much now?
>
> PS. I browsed the demo, nice product. But with a bigger fontsize in the
> browser some text seems to be cut off...
>
> --
> "Control over the use of one's ideas really constitutes control over other
> people's lives; and it is usually used to make their lives more difficult."
> - Richard Stallman
>
>
>
> > L1NDA is an online solution for organizing workschedules (demo). We are
> growing steadily and after closing our first investment round ready to
> scale-up and conquer the world.
> >
> > As a Django/Python Developer you will contribute in the overall
> architecture of the product and production environment. You will be
> responsible for the development of the product core, and the application of
> good development practices in building a world-class SaaS platform. You
> will be working closely with the product owners and you will be protecting
> the quality of the product and production environments. You should have a
> genuine interest in automating processes.
> >
> > Your role
> >
> > Build a secure, scalable, high performance and robust self service
> platform (production environment)
> > Participate in all aspects of the software life-cycle (from
> specification to architecture design, development, testing, debugging,
> maintenance and rollout to production)
> > You will be hands-on coding in developing and maintaining high quality
> and maintainable code base
> > You will keep yourself informed on new emerging technologies that might
> be useful for the development of current and new versions of our products
> and production
> > Introduce and improve software development best practices like
> continuous integration, unit testing code reviews, etc.
> > You will safe guard the product quality, introducing and applying QA
> best practices
> > As the team grows you will lead a team of developers from different
> disciplines
> >
>
> > L1NDA is an online solution for organizing workschedules (demo). We are
> growing steadily and after closing our first investment round ready to
> scale-up and conquer the world.
> > As a Django/Python Developer you will contribute in the overall
> architecture of the product and production environment. You will be
> responsible for the development of the product core, and the application of
> good development practices in building a world-class SaaS platform. You
> will be working closely with the product owners and you will be protecting
> the quality of the product and production environments. You should have a
> genuine interest in automating processes.
> >
> > Your role
> >       ? Build a secure, scalable, high performance and robust self
> service platform (production environment)
> >       ? Participate in all aspects of the software life-cycle (from
> specification to architecture design, development, testing, debugging,
> maintenance and rollout to production)
> >       ? You will be hands-on coding in developing and maintaining high
> quality and maintainable code base
> >       ? You will keep yourself informed on new emerging technologies
> that might be useful for the development of current and new versions of our
> products and production
> >       ? Introduce and improve software development best practices like
> continuous integration, unit testing code reviews, etc.
> >       ? You will safe guard the product quality, introducing and
> applying QA best practices
> >       ? As the team grows you will lead a team of developers from
> different disciplines
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Python-nl mailing list
> Python-nl at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
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From stommepoes at stommepoes.nl  Fri Apr 26 22:53:43 2013
From: stommepoes at stommepoes.nl (Mallory van Achterberg)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:53:43 +0200
Subject: [python-nl] Teaching scientists to write better code: Software
 Carpentry, Amsterdam, May 2-3
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Have you posted this on LinkedIn in the Python-nl group?
If not would you want a copy posted there?

gr,
Mallory

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:29:38PM +0200, Onno Broekmans wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> If you're interested in teaching Python, and/or interested in science,
> do read on...!
>