[python-nl] Python-nl Digest, Vol 58, Issue 2 - Django documentation and resources
David Hund
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Wed Mar 4 11:18:08 CET 2009
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> 1. Re: samenvatting Arnhem (Remco Wendt)
> 2. Django or something else ? (Stef Mientki)
> 3. Re: Django or something else ? (Wichert Akkerman)
> 4. Re: Django or something else ? (Rick van Hattem)
> 5. Re: Django or something else ? (Stef Mientki)
> 6. Re: Django or something else ? (Wichert Akkerman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:21:19 +0100
> From: Remco Wendt <remco op maykinmedia.nl>
> Subject: Re: [python-nl] samenvatting Arnhem
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> 2009/3/3 Tim Molendijk <tim op timmolendijk.nl>
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>> Mijn twee centen:
>> http://timmolendijk.nl/pun-dutch-python-users-meet-up-in-arnhem/
>>
>> Overigens heb ik er een link in geplaatst naar de buildout configuratie die
>> ik gebruik voor deployment van SmartPR, misschien een handige resource voor
>> mensen die de moed opvatten om ook eens met zc.buildout aan de gang te gaan.
>>
>> Ik vond het overigens een mooie meet-up, nog bedankt Erwin, David en co!
>>
>
> I also placed links to your blog posts on nl.python.org.
> Since their was not enough time for the lightning talks, is it ok for
> everyone if I move all lightning talks to the next meeting in Veenendaal?
>
> Btw from now on there will be an attendee list on the agenda page for every
> meeting. If you intend to come please register your name (+ names of people
> you bring along) there. This is so we know how many drinks we have to buy
> :). For those of you planning to attend the next PUN, please add your name
> to the attendee list at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PUB/CQ2M280509 (even if
> you use upcoming).
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> Remco
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> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:46:18 +0100
> From: Stef Mientki <stef.mientki op gmail.com>
> Subject: [python-nl] Django or something else ?
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> hello,
>
> I'm looking for a way to make web applications,
> especially (medical) questionnaires / surveys.
>
> At the last PUN meeting in Arnhem,
> I asked a few people, and they all told me that Django would be the way
> to go.
> The most important argument was that the Django support / community was
> the largest.
>
> When I look at the web,
> both Django and Web2Py seems to have about the same capabilities.
> In comparisons Web2Py looks something better, but these comparisons are
> often coloured.
>
> The past days the number of mails in the Web2Py newsgroups is about
> twice as large as in the Django newsgroup.
> About Web2Py, I can buy a book, and didn't found any book about Django.
> I've downloaded both,
> still couldn't get Django working after 15 minutes,
> while Web2Py worked in less than 5 minutes.
>
> What am I missing ?
>
> thanks,
> Stef Mientki
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:48:14 +0100
> From: Wichert Akkerman <wichert op wiggy.net>
> Subject: Re: [python-nl] Django or something else ?
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> On 3/3/09 8:46 PM, Stef Mientki wrote:
>> hello,
>>
>> I'm looking for a way to make web applications,
>> especially (medical) questionnaires / surveys.
>>
>> At the last PUN meeting in Arnhem,
>> I asked a few people, and they all told me that Django would be the
>> way to go.
>> The most important argument was that the Django support / community
>> was the largest.
>>
>> When I look at the web,
>> both Django and Web2Py seems to have about the same capabilities.
>> In comparisons Web2Py looks something better, but these comparisons
>> are often coloured.
>>
>> The past days the number of mails in the Web2Py newsgroups is about
>> twice as large as in the Django newsgroup.
>> About Web2Py, I can buy a book, and didn't found any book about Django.
>> I've downloaded both,
>> still couldn't get Django working after 15 minutes,
>> while Web2Py worked in less than 5 minutes.
>>
>> What am I missing ?
>
> Only you can answer that question. It depends on your skillset, what
> kind of application you have, performance and other requirements, etc.
>
> For what it's worth my favourite frameworks at the moment are pylons and
> repoze.bfg.
>
> Wichert
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:09:38 +0100
> From: Rick van Hattem <Rick.van.Hattem op fawo.nl>
> Subject: Re: [python-nl] Django or something else ?
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> On Tuesday 03 March 2009 20:46, Stef Mientki wrote:
>> hello,
>>
>> I'm looking for a way to make web applications,
>> especially (medical) questionnaires / surveys.
>>
>> At the last PUN meeting in Arnhem,
>> I asked a few people, and they all told me that Django would be the way
>> to go.
>> The most important argument was that the Django support / community was
>> the largest.
>>
>> When I look at the web,
>> both Django and Web2Py seems to have about the same capabilities.
>> In comparisons Web2Py looks something better, but these comparisons are
>> often coloured.
>>
>> The past days the number of mails in the Web2Py newsgroups is about
>> twice as large as in the Django newsgroup.
>> About Web2Py, I can buy a book, and didn't found any book about Django.
>> I've downloaded both,
>> still couldn't get Django working after 15 minutes,
>> while Web2Py worked in less than 5 minutes.
>>
>> What am I missing ?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Stef Mientki
>>
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> A mailinglist doesn't say everything about community site, but it can be a
> nice indication.
>
> I usually use Google trends to get a usage comparison. This is not a sure way
> to measure usage, but it should give a nice indication about the usage.
> Here's a link:
> http://www.google.com/trends?q=django%2C+web2py%2C+turbogears%2C+zope%2C+pylons&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
>
> These numbers might be pretty skewed because Django (Reinhardt) was a very
> popular guitarist.
>
>
> As for books, where did you look?
> Amazon has 101 results for Django:
> http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1236110729/ref=sr_nr_n_0?ie=UTF8&rs=1000&keywords=django&bbn=5&rnid=1000&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Adjango%2Ci%3Astripbooks%2Cn%3A5
> Amazon has 2 results for Web2Py:
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=node%3D5&field-keywords=web2py&x=0&y=0
>
>
> I think you are missing a clear comparison here, have a look at both
> frameworks (or possibly, more, there are others) and think about what
> features you will need. Which framework suits your needs better?
>
> --
> Rick van Hattem Rick.van.Hattem(at)Fawo.nl
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:14:39 +0100
> From: Stef Mientki <stef.mientki op gmail.com>
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> Wichert Akkerman wrote:
>> On 3/3/09 8:46 PM, Stef Mientki wrote:
>>> hello,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a way to make web applications,
>>> especially (medical) questionnaires / surveys.
>>>
>>> At the last PUN meeting in Arnhem,
>>> I asked a few people, and they all told me that Django would be the
>>> way to go.
>>> The most important argument was that the Django support / community
>>> was the largest.
>>>
>>> When I look at the web,
>>> both Django and Web2Py seems to have about the same capabilities.
>>> In comparisons Web2Py looks something better, but these comparisons
>>> are often coloured.
>>>
>>> The past days the number of mails in the Web2Py newsgroups is about
>>> twice as large as in the Django newsgroup.
>>> About Web2Py, I can buy a book, and didn't found any book about Django.
>>> I've downloaded both,
>>> still couldn't get Django working after 15 minutes,
>>> while Web2Py worked in less than 5 minutes.
>>>
>>> What am I missing ?
>>
>> Only you can answer that question. It depends on your skillset, what
>> kind of application you have, performance and other requirements, etc.
>>
>> For what it's worth my favourite frameworks at the moment are pylons
>> and repoze.bfg.
> thanks Wichert,
>
> my skills are minimal (and I like to keep it that way),
> that's why I choose Python ;-)
> I looked at the packages you mentioned,
> and as I see more than 10 words on 1 page I don' t understand,
> these are definitely not what I'm looking for.
>
> cheers,
> Stef
>
>>
>> Wichert
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> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:18:47 +0100
> From: Wichert Akkerman <wichert op wiggy.net>
> Subject: Re: [python-nl] Django or something else ?
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> On 3/3/09 9:14 PM, Stef Mientki wrote:
>> my skills are minimal (and I like to keep it that way),
>> that's why I choose Python ;-)
>> I looked at the packages you mentioned,
>> and as I see more than 10 words on 1 page I don' t understand,
>> these are definitely not what I'm looking for.
>
> In other words you are looking for frameworks with excellent
> documentation. You can look at:
>
> * http://pylonshq.com/docs/en/0.9.7/ for pylons
> * http://grok.zope.org/ for grok
>
> Repoze has pretty decent documentation, but only in reference form at
> the moment so probably not a good choice.
>
> I have no idea about Django documentation - there are too many things I
> do no like about Django so I have never studied it closely.
>
> Wichert.
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Hi,
I have no experience with those other frameworks but I must say I
believe the Django community is one of the things that makes me love
this framework. Documentation is excellent (IMHO) and resources
plentiful:
Start at:
http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ or
http://www.djangobook.com/ (also in print btw!)
http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/DjangoResources
For a 'snapshot' of current activity see The Django Community
Aggregator: http://www.djangoproject.com/community/
A good book would be:
http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Guide-Django-Development-Right/dp/1590597257
They have a busy IRC channel: irc://irc.freenode.net/django
Mailing-lists: http://groups.google.com/group/django-users (users) and
http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers (developers)
There's quite a few websites dedicated to Django code/snippets:
http://www.djangosnippets.org/
http://www.djangoplugables.com/
A custom Google search-query for Django-apps hosted on google-code:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&domains=code.google.com&q=django-+-%3Ainurl%3A%2Fsource+-inurl%3A%2Fwiki+-inurl%3A%2Fsoc&sitesearch=code.google.com
I also like to monitor the Delicious Popular Django section:
http://delicious.com/popular/django
Then there's a number of people blogging e.g:
http://www.b-list.org/weblog/categories/django/
http://jacobian.org/tags/django/
http://jtauber.com/django/
http://jeffcroft.com/tags/django/ (more of a frontend perspective)
I think you should be able to learn pretty much everything that's
Django-related.
Best of luck and regards,
David Hund (david.hund op gmail.com)
http://www.valuedstandards.com
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