Back in March I posted the way I figured out to do this, you can find it at URL: http://www.faqts.com/knowledge-base/view.phtml/aid/1696/fid/238/lang/en Once you have PIL working by itself, everything else with piddle should go smoothly. I hope this helps, -greg Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.