Don't be too hard on those who want class methods (Re: Python is wierd!)

[Christian Tanzer]

Greg Ewing, <undisclosed address>, wrote:

> Usually when people say that class methods
> are not needed, they're talking about C++ or Java style static
> methods. But Smalltalk-style class methods are a different
> species altogether. In Smalltalk, a class is also an instance
> (of class Class or some subclass thereof), so
> 
>    aClass frobulate: aBlivet
> 
> is dynamically dispatched on the runtime class of aClass,
> just like any other message. There is no direct equivalent of
> this in Python, because classes are not instances, they're a
> different kind of object. The suggestion by Moshe Zadka:
> 
> > > class Function:
> > >
> > >       def __init__(self, func):
> > >               self.func = func
> > >
> > >       def __call__(self, *args, **kw):
> > >               return apply(self.func, args, kw)
> > >
> > > class SomeClass:
> > >
> > >       def class_method(a, b, c):
> > >               return a+b+c
> > >
> > >       class_method = Function(class_method)
> 
> isn't quite the same thing, because there is no 'self'
> in scope in the method which is bound to the receiving
> class object (which might be a subclass of SomeClass,
> so you can't just assume that it's SomeClass).
> 
> There are no doubt even more convoluted hacks that could
> be used to fix that, but in 999,999,999 cases out of
> a billion it's probably better to revise your design
> so that you don't need class methods in the first place.

That's the one of the reasons I'm hoping to see first-class
metaclasses in some future Python implementation (and hopefully before
Python 3000). 

In practice however, I need class variables much more often than class
methods, and class methods not needing `self' (denoting the class in
question) much more often than class methods needing `self'.

And even than, default arguments offer an easy workaround. So I think
that your 1 ppb is slightly overstated.

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