[Python-ideas] gofmt for Python: standardized styling as a language feature

[Ian Lee]

~ Ian Lee

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Alexander Walters <tritium-list at sdamon.com>
wrote:

>  What coding style would be used for such a tool?  PEP-8?  What about a
> tool for those of us who believe that PEP-8 got a few things wrong?
>
> What about for the tribal knowledge that pythonistas develop over time
> that are not part of the standard?  Would such a tool include this?
>

And perhaps more to the point, should PEP-8 (and if so how), evolve over
time to incorporate newer ideas that the community has now moved towards
accepting as the "more Pythonic way to do things" now with the benefit of
additional hindsight.  I didn't want to derail this conversation, so I spun
off a separate thread to discuss:
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2015-March/032557.html


>
> And what of third party tools that do the same thing?  I have no evidence
> to support this, but I have the feeling that when the standard library
> includes something in a new space, third party work in that space slows
> (json and sqlite come to mind).
>
> Good coding style really should not be something we ship in the library,
> it should be something we teach.
>
> 2¢
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Nicholas Chammas <
> nicholas.chammas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     First class means it's like a language feature. Actually, in my case
>> I am using "first-class" and "included with the language" synonymously. Not
>> sure if that's appropriate terminology, but that's what I mean.
>>
>>  To explain by rough analogy, Twisted is to asyncio what autopep8 would
>> be to a first-class auto-styler. (I say "rough" because I understand that
>> Twisted is not supposed to be replaced entirely by asyncio, but I hope my
>> point is clear.)
>>
>>  Nick
>>
>>  On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:58 PM Ethan Furman <ethan at stoneleaf.us> wrote:
>>
>>>  On 03/17/2015 06:54 PM, Nicholas Chammas wrote:
>>>
>>> > I am not proposing putting |autopep8| in the standard library. I am
>>> proposing that an auto-styler be included with
>>> > Python as a first-class utility. The emphasis here is on /included/
>>> and /first-class/.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could explain what you mean by a /first-class/ utility?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~Ethan~
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