[Python-ideas] Python 3000 TIOBE -3%

[Matt Joiner]

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On Feb 10, 2012 12:49 AM, "Massimo Di Pierro" <massimo.dipierro at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is another data point:
> http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2012/02/08/language-rankings-2-2012/
>
> Unfortunately the TIOBE index does matter. I can speak for python in
> education and trends I seen.
>
> Python is and remains the easiest language to teach but it is no longer
> true that getting Python to run is easer than alternatives (not for the
> average undergrad student). It used to be you download python 2.5 and you
> were in business. Now you have to make a choice 2.x or 3.x. 20% of the
> students cannot tell one from the other (even after been told repeatedly
> which one to use). Three weeks into the class they complain with "the class
> code won't compile" (the same 20% cannot tell a compiler form an
> interpreter).
>
> 50+% of the students have a mac and an increasing number of packages
> depend on numpy. Installing numpy on mac is a lottery.
>
> Those who do not have a mac have windows and they expect an IDE like
> eclipse. I know you can use Python with eclipse but they do not. They
> download Python and complain that IDLE has no autocompletion, no line
> numbers, no collapsible functions/classes.
>
> From the hard core computer scientists prospective there are usually three
> objections to using Python:
> - Most software engineers think we should only teach static type languages
> - Those who care about scalability complain about the GIL
> - The programming language purists complain about the use of reference
> counting instead of garbage collection
>
> The net result is that people cannot agree and it is getting increasingly
> difficult to make the case for the use of Python in intro CS courses. For
> some reason javaScript seems to win these days.
>
> Massimo
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:36 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I didn't want to grow FUD on python-dev, but a FUD there seems to be a
> good topic for discussion here.
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
>
> As you may see, Python is losing its positions. I blame Python 3 and that
> Python development is not concentrating on users enough [1], and that there
> is a big resistance in getting the things done (/moin/ prefix story) and
> the whole communication process is a bit discouraging. If it is not the
> cause, then the cause is the lack of visibility into the real problem, but
> what the real problem is?
>
> I guess the topic is for upcoming language summit at PyCon, but it will be
> hard for me to get there this year from Belarus, so it would be nice to
> read some opinions here.
>
>
> 1. http://python-for-humans.heroku.com/
> --
> anatoly t.
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