[Python-Dev] libffi embedded in CPython

[Brett Cannon]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:20 PM Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:

> Can we please decouple the ctypes deprecation discussion from efforts to
> upgrade cffi? They can coexist just fine, and they don't even really solve
> the same problem.
>

I mostly proposed deprecating ctypes because we were not keeping up with
libffi upstream. If we solve the latter I'm not bothered enough to
personally pursue the former.

-Brett


>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Brett Cannon <brett at python.org> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 6:03 PM Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11 March 2015 at 21:45, Maciej Fijalkowski <fijall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Is it possible to use cffi without a C compiler/headers as easily than
>>> >> ctypes?
>>> >
>>> > yes, it has two modes, one that does that and the other that does
>>> > extra safety at the cost of a C compiler
>>>
>>> So if someone were to propose a practical approach to including cffi
>>> into the stdlib, *and* assisting the many Windows projects using
>>> ctypes for access to the Windows API [1], then there may be a
>>> reasonable argument for deprecating ctypes. But nobody seems to be
>>> doing that, rather the suggestion appears to be just to deprecate a
>>> widely used part of the stdlib offering no migration path :-(
>>>
>>
>> You're ignoring that it's not maintained, which is the entire reason I
>> brought this up. No one seems to want to touch the code. Who knows what
>> improvements, bugfixes, etc. exist upstream in libffi that we lack because
>> no one wants to go through and figure it out. If someone would come forward
>> and help maintain it then I have no issue with it sticking around.
>>
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