[python-committers] Moderation of the Python community

[Victor Stinner]

Oh, by the way, should we have two different choices: remove the
commit bit from a core dev (downgrade a core dev as a regular
contributor) and ban a core dev?

Victor
Le jeu. 18 oct. 2018 à 00:03, Victor Stinner <vstinner at redhat.com> a écrit :
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> Le mer. 17 oct. 2018 à 21:09, Donald Stufft <donald at stufft.io> a écrit :
> > Honestly, I think an independent group managing these issues is the right way to handle them. I’m loathe to bring it up because the situation was a long time ago, and has been resolved, but I’ve personally had to engage the CoC process in regards to another core developers behavior. At the time the way that was handled was contacting the PSF board, if the process was instead to contact python-committers or something I likely would’t have done it at all. I think it is important that if someone feels they’re having a problem in a particular space, that they feel they have an impartial and independent group of people to raise those concerns with.
> >
> > With regards to whether the CoC can evict a core developer of Python.. I think it absolutely needs to be able to do that. Otherwise it’s basically stating that it’s fine for someone to harass someone else… as long as the person doing the harassing is a core developer. If anything, core developers should be held to a higher, not a lower standard. Obviously excommunication is not step 1 on any CoC, and such a thing would only be used after a history of repeated, on going unacceptable behavior, but if the CoC doesn’t have any teeth, than it’s not worth the metaphorical paper it’s written on.
> >
> > So, when it comes to the conduct we expect from people, core developers should not be treated specially in either expectations nor process.
>
> Ok, now in the case of my PEP 8015: do you think that the "Python Core
> Board" should be involved in the process to evict a core developer of
> Python?
>
>    https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-8015/#python-core-board
>
> For example, can we imagine that a core developer would only be
> evicted if the PSF conduct WG *and* the Python Core Board would agree
> to evict the core dev? Such situation should be very exceptional, and
> it may be unpopular if the conduct WG and the Python Core Board
> disagree :-(
>
> If the Python Core Board can block an eviction (have "a veto" on the
> final vote), the risk is that friends of the Board are "protected" by
> their friendship. And it also opens the question of an evicting a
> member of the Python Core Board in case of extremely severe Code of
> Conduct violation... But this question can be asked as well for
> members of the PSF conduct WG :-)
>
> I don't know the answers to my question. But maybe it would be safer
> for everyone that the *worst* case (evict a core dev) would be defined
> somewhere, as in a PEP.
>
> Victor