[python-committers] How to calm down the discussion on the PEP 572?

[Guido van Rossum]

The way to calm discussions is to stop responding.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:02 AM, Victor Stinner <vstinner at redhat.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Since 2 or 3 years, I saw that that discussions on some PEPs get more
> and more emails every year. Maybe because Python became more popular?
> Openness is a Python quality, but shortly, the amount of emails
> becomes an issue, at least for the author of the PEP.
>
> I counted the number of emails per day of the python-dev mailing list,
> using mbox archives available at:
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/
>
> My script:
> https://github.com/vstinner/misc/blob/master/python/parse_mailman_mbox.py
>
> In March, python-dev got 246 emails with a maximum of 31 the 2018-03-21.
>
> In April, the traffic was between 3 and 27 emails per day until the
> start of the chaos:
>
> ...
> 2018-04-17: 27
> 2018-04-18: 20
> 2018-04-19: 11
> 2018-04-20: 36
> 2018-04-21: 36
> 2018-04-22: 31
> 2018-04-23: 32
> 2018-04-24: 72
> 2018-04-25: 76
> 2018-04-26: 23
> 2018-04-27: 10
>
> Current maximum: 76 emails received at 2018-04-25!?
>
> I'm not sure that it's still possible to read carefully all emails to
> python-dev and write constructive replies. It seems like people are
> answering immediately, without reading past emails nor reading other
> emails sent the same day.
>
> I'm also concerned by the general mood of the discussion. Are we still
> discussing arguments in polite way?
>
> How can we calm down the discussion, and ask people to don't reply
> immediately but instead try to listen to the other people?
>
> IHMO everybody had enough time to give their very important opinion (I
> wrote my own very important opinion, don't worry!) on python-ideas and
> then on python-dev. We are now turning around.
>
> Can we give Chris more time to update his PEP? In my experience, the
> PEP is the most constructive tool to drive a discussion.
>
> I chose to write to python-committers because I now fear that I would
> get too many replies on python-dev ...
>
> Victor
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