From jcea at jcea.es Mon Oct 1 04:29:31 2012 From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 04:29:31 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 29/09/12 10:35, Georg Brandl wrote: > Until the last ordinary 3.2 bugfix release is done (which will be > soon), the usual procedure for 3.x will be to check into 3.2, merge > into 3.3, and then merge into default, except of course for a) > fixes of 3.3-only features and b) trivial things like typos that > you don't feel have to be in 3.2.4. > > default is now Python 3.4, and new features can be committed > there. So, if I understand correctly, the current situation is this: 2.6: Security fixes only 2.7, 3.2, 3.3: Bugfixes only 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.0, 3.1: Dead After 3.2.4 is published ("soon"), 3.2 would move to "security fixes only". Am I right? I wonder if we have a deadline for supporting 2.6 yet. How about 2.7?. - -- Jes?s Cea Avi?n _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQCVAwUBUGkACplgi5GaxT1NAQKKCgP/Te1AZgjtr2YAg3fq5NmtOZhkL5KYfodt xhFpTShdC7ELc/PpdAI67UdnpwL0PoceKpQ65Bidei/EUG9oJAuHiKdaCDPBzGDN Z6r9eRwozMia8rT/7w2WiGH88LWHloimErQsLjeJTmymKOViRHjEeMOeYmyYclJd LzGQJaEW20M= =eX2O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tjreedy at udel.edu Mon Oct 1 04:44:17 2012 From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:44:17 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> Message-ID: <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> On 9/30/2012 10:29 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: > So, if I understand correctly, the current situation is this: > > 2.6: Security fixes only > 2.7, 3.2, 3.3: Bugfixes only > 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.0, 3.1: Dead > > After 3.2.4 is published ("soon"), 3.2 would move to "security fixes > only". Am I right? > > I wonder if we have a deadline for supporting 2.6 yet. How about 2.7?. Is there a PEP with end-of-life info? From benjamin at python.org Mon Oct 1 06:20:43 2012 From: benjamin at python.org (Benjamin Peterson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 00:20:43 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> Message-ID: 2012/9/30 Jesus Cea : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 29/09/12 10:35, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Until the last ordinary 3.2 bugfix release is done (which will be >> soon), the usual procedure for 3.x will be to check into 3.2, merge >> into 3.3, and then merge into default, except of course for a) >> fixes of 3.3-only features and b) trivial things like typos that >> you don't feel have to be in 3.2.4. >> >> default is now Python 3.4, and new features can be committed >> there. > > So, if I understand correctly, the current situation is this: > > 2.6: Security fixes only > 2.7, 3.2, 3.3: Bugfixes only > 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.0, 3.1: Dead 3.1 still recieves security fixes. > > After 3.2.4 is published ("soon"), 3.2 would move to "security fixes > only". Am I right? > > I wonder if we have a deadline for supporting 2.6 yet. How about 2.7?. 2.7 will get at least 5 years of support. -- Regards, Benjamin From g.brandl at gmx.net Mon Oct 1 07:02:06 2012 From: g.brandl at gmx.net (Georg Brandl) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 07:02:06 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> Message-ID: On 10/01/2012 04:29 AM, Jesus Cea wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 29/09/12 10:35, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Until the last ordinary 3.2 bugfix release is done (which will be >> soon), the usual procedure for 3.x will be to check into 3.2, merge >> into 3.3, and then merge into default, except of course for a) >> fixes of 3.3-only features and b) trivial things like typos that >> you don't feel have to be in 3.2.4. >> >> default is now Python 3.4, and new features can be committed >> there. > > So, if I understand correctly, the current situation is this: > > 2.6: Security fixes only > 2.7, 3.2, 3.3: Bugfixes only > 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.0, 3.1: Dead > > After 3.2.4 is published ("soon"), 3.2 would move to "security fixes > only". Am I right? Correct, except for 3.1 in the "security fixes" category. You are right that we should have information about bugfix/security mode and about end-of-life; I propose to put them in the respective release schedule PEPs. Georg From martin at v.loewis.de Mon Oct 1 13:30:24 2012 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 13:30:24 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> Message-ID: <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> > Is there a PEP with end-of-life info? I had meant to write a PEP on security releases for several years now. Since this still doesn't exist, here is the outline of the procedures that maintainers have agreed upon: - bug fix releases are made until the next feature release is out (with 2.7 being an exception from that rule) - security fixes are being provided until 5 years after the initial release of the feature release * for 2.6, this will be until Oct 1, 2013 * for 3.1, this will be until July 27, 2014 * for 3.2, this will be until Feb 20, 2016 The 5 years horizon is based on requests of system packagers (Linux distributions in particular), who often also have 5-year cycles for long-term support. - security releases are made whenever maintainers deem it necessary; the two options are * commit fixes into source repository only, and release whenever enough time has passed, or enough changes have accumulated, or * release right after a security issue has been resolved Which of these to take depends on the nature of the fix, of course. The former is intended for system packagers of Python - they can incorporate fixes that are official already despite not having been released yet. I'm not aware of a formal policy for 2.7. I guess it will end its life by BDFL pronouncement; giving it a 5 year bug fix period (which would end on July 3, 2015) seems a bit long to me - I'd favor to stop bug fixing along with the 3.4 release. The last BDFL decision (that I'm aware of) is that 2.7 should be supported "indefinitely", which is not "infinitely". Regards, Martin From g.brandl at gmx.net Mon Oct 1 14:23:13 2012 From: g.brandl at gmx.net (Georg Brandl) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 14:23:13 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: On 10/01/2012 01:30 PM, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >> Is there a PEP with end-of-life info? > > I had meant to write a PEP on security releases for several > years now. Since this still doesn't exist, here is the outline > of the procedures that maintainers have agreed upon: > - bug fix releases are made until the next feature release is > out (with 2.7 being an exception from that rule) > - security fixes are being provided until 5 years after the initial > release of the feature release > * for 2.6, this will be until Oct 1, 2013 > * for 3.1, this will be until July 27, 2014 > * for 3.2, this will be until Feb 20, 2016 > The 5 years horizon is based on requests of system packagers > (Linux distributions in particular), who often also have 5-year > cycles for long-term support. > - security releases are made whenever maintainers deem it necessary; > the two options are > * commit fixes into source repository only, and release whenever > enough time has passed, or enough changes have accumulated, or > * release right after a security issue has been resolved > Which of these to take depends on the nature of the fix, of course. > The former is intended for system packagers of Python - they can > incorporate fixes that are official already despite not having been > released yet. > > I'm not aware of a formal policy for 2.7. I guess it will end its life > by BDFL pronouncement; giving it a 5 year bug fix period (which would > end on July 3, 2015) seems a bit long to me - I'd favor to stop bug > fixing along with the 3.4 release. The last BDFL decision (that I'm > aware of) is that 2.7 should be supported "indefinitely", which is > not "infinitely". I've now added lifespan information to the 3.2 and 3.3 release schedule PEPs, perhaps Barry and Benjamin could do the same for 2.6 to 3.1. Georg From solipsis at pitrou.net Mon Oct 1 14:44:59 2012 From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 14:44:59 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <1349095499.3443.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 01 octobre 2012 ? 13:30 +0200, "Martin v. L?wis" a ?crit : > I'm not aware of a formal policy for 2.7. I guess it will end its life > by BDFL pronouncement; giving it a 5 year bug fix period (which would > end on July 3, 2015) seems a bit long to me - I'd favor to stop bug > fixing along with the 3.4 release. "5 years" was once recorded in the 2.7 release page: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2010-April/573621.html ... although it isn't anymore: ?Python 2.7 is scheduled to be the last major version in the 2.x series before it moves into an extended maintenance period.? http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ Benjamin is the 2.7 release manager (good choice on his part ;-)), and on this thread he seems to be of the advice that 5 years is the number. Perhaps we can relax the 2.7 bugfix policy a bit: bugfix releases are made for 5 years, but core developers are free not to port minor bugfixes if they want to save up some time. Regards Antoine. -- Software development and contracting: http://pro.pitrou.net From kbk at shore.net Mon Oct 1 15:58:24 2012 From: kbk at shore.net (Kurt B. Kaiser) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 09:58:24 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] contributor forms (was Re: contributor form for Alexander Belopolsky) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1349099904.10413.140661134965905.201F7FB1@webmail.messagingengine.com> Unfortunately, the list of core developers with the form flag set doesn't match the actual forms on file. For example, I did not find my form in the files sent to me by the previous Administrator. I'm currently in the process of having all the forms scanned. I'll then check them into the PSF repository, along with the ones received by fax over the past couple of years. Once that's done, we can address any missing forms. KBK On Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012, Jes?s Cea Avi?n wrote: > > > > Alexander Belopolsky is a core developer but the bugtracker doesn't [edit: but now does] > > have a "contributor form received" flag for him? > > FWIW, you can see a list of all such core developers using this URL: > > http://bugs.python.org/user?iscommitter=1&contrib_form=0&@action=search&@sort=username&@pagesize=300 > > There are currently 35 without a contributor form (though I realize > that many of them may not currently be active). > > --Chris > _______________________________________________ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > From barry at python.org Mon Oct 1 16:36:57 2012 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:36:57 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <20121001103657.6ff9a8e1@limelight.wooz.org> On Oct 01, 2012, at 02:23 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >I've now added lifespan information to the 3.2 and 3.3 release schedule >PEPs, perhaps Barry and Benjamin could do the same for 2.6 to 3.1. Done for PEP 361, which actually covers both the 2.6 and 3.0 releases. I've described Python 3.0 as not being maintained for any purpose. Cheers, -Barry From barry at python.org Mon Oct 1 16:39:35 2012 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:39:35 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <20121001103935.419f1d83@limelight.wooz.org> On Oct 01, 2012, at 01:30 PM, Martin v. L?wis wrote: >I had meant to write a PEP on security releases for several >years now. +1 >Since this still doesn't exist, here is the outline >of the procedures that maintainers have agreed upon: >- bug fix releases are made until the next feature release is > out (with 2.7 being an exception from that rule) >- security fixes are being provided until 5 years after the initial > release of the feature release > * for 2.6, this will be until Oct 1, 2013 > * for 3.1, this will be until July 27, 2014 > * for 3.2, this will be until Feb 20, 2016 > The 5 years horizon is based on requests of system packagers > (Linux distributions in particular), who often also have 5-year > cycles for long-term support. >- security releases are made whenever maintainers deem it necessary; > the two options are > * commit fixes into source repository only, and release whenever > enough time has passed, or enough changes have accumulated, or > * release right after a security issue has been resolved > Which of these to take depends on the nature of the fix, of course. > The former is intended for system packagers of Python - they can > incorporate fixes that are official already despite not having been > released yet. The only thing missing is whether releases are made source-only or with binary packages for Windows and Mac. My understanding is that once a release goes into security-only mode, binary releases cease. Cheers, -Barry From barry at python.org Mon Oct 1 16:42:50 2012 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:42:50 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <1349095499.3443.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> <1349095499.3443.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20121001104250.5d3e5a55@limelight.wooz.org> On Oct 01, 2012, at 02:44 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >"5 years" was once recorded in the 2.7 release page: >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2010-April/573621.html > >... although it isn't anymore: >?Python 2.7 is scheduled to be the last major version in the 2.x series >before it moves into an extended maintenance period.? >http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ > >Benjamin is the 2.7 release manager (good choice on his part ;-)), and >on this thread he seems to be of the advice that 5 years is the number. > >Perhaps we can relax the 2.7 bugfix policy a bit: bugfix releases are >made for 5 years, but core developers are free not to port minor >bugfixes if they want to save up some time. I think we should make a formal commitment to 2.7's lifespan, whatever that would be. When discussions about Python 2's ultimate demise come up, we should be able to point to the PEP for the official declaration, since once Python 2.7 maintenance ends, so does effectively Python 2's lifespan. the-champagne-is-cooling-as-we-speak-ly y'rs, -Barry From tjreedy at udel.edu Mon Oct 1 17:03:23 2012 From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:03:23 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <5069B0BB.7030504@udel.edu> On 10/1/2012 8:23 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > On 10/01/2012 01:30 PM, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >>> Is there a PEP with end-of-life info? >> >> I had meant to write a PEP on security releases for several >> years now. Since this still doesn't exist, here is the outline >> of the procedures that maintainers have agreed upon: >> - bug fix releases are made until the next feature release is >> out (with 2.7 being an exception from that rule) >> - security fixes are being provided until 5 years after the initial >> release of the feature release >> * for 2.6, this will be until Oct 1, 2013 >> * for 3.1, this will be until July 27, 2014 >> * for 3.2, this will be until Feb 20, 2016 >> The 5 years horizon is based on requests of system packagers >> (Linux distributions in particular), who often also have 5-year >> cycles for long-term support. >> - security releases are made whenever maintainers deem it necessary; >> the two options are >> * commit fixes into source repository only, and release whenever >> enough time has passed, or enough changes have accumulated, or >> * release right after a security issue has been resolved >> Which of these to take depends on the nature of the fix, of course. >> The former is intended for system packagers of Python - they can >> incorporate fixes that are official already despite not having been >> released yet. >> >> I'm not aware of a formal policy for 2.7. I guess it will end its life >> by BDFL pronouncement; giving it a 5 year bug fix period (which would >> end on July 3, 2015) seems a bit long to me - I'd favor to stop bug >> fixing along with the 3.4 release. The last BDFL decision (that I'm >> aware of) is that 2.7 should be supported "indefinitely", which is >> not "infinitely". > > I've now added lifespan information to the 3.2 and 3.3 release schedule > PEPs, perhaps Barry and Benjamin could do the same for 2.6 to 3.1. Someone recently said they could not find life-cycle information on python.org. I think it would be good to have one PEP or website page that has the general policy, given above by Martin, the exception for 2.7, and a summary table with one line per release (back to say, 2.5), giving number and date for Initial release Last bug fix release Last security release ... 3.3.0 2012 Sep 30 (2014 ???) (2017 Sep) (tentative dates in parens) Terry From tjreedy at udel.edu Mon Oct 1 16:57:45 2012 From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:57:45 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] 3.3.1 two months away? In-Reply-To: References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> Message-ID: <5069AF69.1000605@udel.edu> On 10/1/2012 1:02 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > You are right that we should have information about bugfix/security mode > and > about end-of-life; I propose to put them in the respective release schedule > PEPs. From the commit: > +3.3 will receive bugfix updates approximately every 4-6 months until > +3.3.1 schedule > +-------------- > + > +- 3.3.1 beta 1: planned for Oct/Nov 2012 I presume you see a number of little fixes coming that should not too long. I almost missed this ;-). Terry From rdmurray at bitdance.com Mon Oct 1 18:13:35 2012 From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 12:13:35 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] 3.3.1 two months away? In-Reply-To: <5069AF69.1000605@udel.edu> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <5069AF69.1000605@udel.edu> Message-ID: <20121001161336.3CD162500FA@webabinitio.net> On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:57:45 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 10/1/2012 1:02 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > > > You are right that we should have information about bugfix/security mode > > and > > about end-of-life; I propose to put them in the respective release schedule > > PEPs. > > From the commit: > > > +3.3 will receive bugfix updates approximately every 4-6 months until > > > +3.3.1 schedule > > +-------------- > > + > > +- 3.3.1 beta 1: planned for Oct/Nov 2012 > > I presume you see a number of little fixes coming that should not too > long. I almost missed this ;-). I believe Georg is basing this on past experience, both ours and the general software community...the users *always* find nasty bugs only after the first production release :) I have some hope we did a little better this time, though. Judging by the bug reports we got a bunch of pre-testing from both the Gentoo team and Ubuntu, and I'm pretty sure their testing has been more extensive this time than it was for previous 3.x releases. On the other hand, Gentoo (Arfrever) already found one crasher post-release...but fortunately it only happens in debug builds (although that could mean there is a behavior bug in non-debug builds). --David From g.brandl at gmx.net Mon Oct 1 18:37:02 2012 From: g.brandl at gmx.net (Georg Brandl) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:37:02 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] 3.3.1 two months away? In-Reply-To: <5069AF69.1000605@udel.edu> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <5069AF69.1000605@udel.edu> Message-ID: On 10/01/2012 04:57 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 10/1/2012 1:02 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > >> You are right that we should have information about bugfix/security mode >> and >> about end-of-life; I propose to put them in the respective release schedule >> PEPs. > > From the commit: > > > +3.3 will receive bugfix updates approximately every 4-6 months until > > > +3.3.1 schedule > > +-------------- > > + > > +- 3.3.1 beta 1: planned for Oct/Nov 2012 > > I presume you see a number of little fixes coming that should not too > long. I almost missed this ;-). No, in fact we have a security fix in the pipeline; the point releases for all branches will come out when the respective patch is finished. That we can quickly fix not-so-critical but annoying bugs found by users in 3.3.0 is a nice side-effect. cheers, Georg From benjamin at python.org Mon Oct 1 19:30:40 2012 From: benjamin at python.org (Benjamin Peterson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 13:30:40 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] 3.3.1 two months away? In-Reply-To: <20121001161336.3CD162500FA@webabinitio.net> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <5069AF69.1000605@udel.edu> <20121001161336.3CD162500FA@webabinitio.net> Message-ID: 2012/10/1 R. David Murray : > On the other hand, Gentoo (Arfrever) already found one crasher > post-release...but fortunately it only happens in debug builds (although > that could mean there is a behavior bug in non-debug builds). It definitely happens in release builds. -- Regards, Benjamin From g.brandl at gmx.net Mon Oct 1 19:42:17 2012 From: g.brandl at gmx.net (Georg Brandl) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:42:17 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] 3.3.1 two months away? In-Reply-To: References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <5069AF69.1000605@udel.edu> <20121001161336.3CD162500FA@webabinitio.net> Message-ID: On 10/01/2012 07:30 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2012/10/1 R. David Murray : >> On the other hand, Gentoo (Arfrever) already found one crasher >> post-release...but fortunately it only happens in debug builds (although >> that could mean there is a behavior bug in non-debug builds). > > It definitely happens in release builds. I guess you're talking about the *second* crasher :| Georg From benjamin at python.org Mon Oct 1 19:50:59 2012 From: benjamin at python.org (Benjamin Peterson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 13:50:59 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: 2012/10/1 Georg Brandl : > I've now added lifespan information to the 3.2 and 3.3 release schedule > PEPs, perhaps Barry and Benjamin could do the same for 2.6 to 3.1. I just updated the 3.1 and 2.7 schedules. -- Regards, Benjamin From jcea at jcea.es Tue Oct 2 01:41:25 2012 From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 01:41:25 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <506A2A25.8080103@jcea.es> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/10/12 14:23, Georg Brandl wrote: > I've now added lifespan information to the 3.2 and 3.3 release > schedule PEPs, perhaps Barry and Benjamin could do the same for > 2.6 to 3.1. http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-0398/ """ 3.3 Lifespan 3.3 will receive bugfix updates approximately every 4-6 months until one release after the release of 3.4.0 final. After that, security updates (source only) will be released until 5 years after the release of 3.3.0 final, which will be September 2017. """ I am not a native english speaker, but I guess the intention is to do a final bugfix release for 3.3 after 3.4.0 is out, before moving 3.3 to "security fixes only". Could you possibly clarify the wording in the PEP?. Sorry if I am being a pain :). - -- Jes?s Cea Avi?n _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQCVAwUBUGoqJZlgi5GaxT1NAQKYkwP/VLbum1YCj6aTxPQdFUMem+M6J/s/RcBD 89xYq9Ll5B1km2P+xDJqf4P6HnLObtOr9jflWui4LwLVt3uOzCb77f8jUQ9/7IVR AU6QwhIgcmPnlxZgROSXUHvJ3abgXtK6tqyniGxQRs9s1Ao6At5wniZnDYChvfrV KQA4+uq7u/o= =/11g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rdmurray at bitdance.com Tue Oct 2 02:25:11 2012 From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:25:11 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <506A2A25.8080103@jcea.es> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> <506A2A25.8080103@jcea.es> Message-ID: <20121002002512.425F92500FB@webabinitio.net> On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 01:41:25 +0200, Jesus Cea wrote: > On 01/10/12 14:23, Georg Brandl wrote: > > I've now added lifespan information to the 3.2 and 3.3 release > > schedule PEPs, perhaps Barry and Benjamin could do the same for > > 2.6 to 3.1. > > http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-0398/ > > """ > 3.3 Lifespan > > 3.3 will receive bugfix updates approximately every 4-6 months until > one release after the release of 3.4.0 final. After that, security > updates (source only) will be released until 5 years after the release > of 3.3.0 final, which will be September 2017. > """ > > I am not a native english speaker, but I guess the intention is to do > a final bugfix release for 3.3 after 3.4.0 is out, before moving 3.3 > to "security fixes only". Could you possibly clarify the wording in > the PEP?. As a native English speaker it is not immediately obvious to me how to make that clearer. Is it that the antecedent of "one release" isn't clear? --David From jcea at jcea.es Tue Oct 2 02:37:10 2012 From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 02:37:10 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <20121002002512.425F92500FB@webabinitio.net> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> <506A2A25.8080103@jcea.es> <20121002002512.425F92500FB@webabinitio.net> Message-ID: <506A3736.7050703@jcea.es> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/10/12 02:25, R. David Murray wrote: >> 3.3 will receive bugfix updates approximately every 4-6 months >> until one release after the release of 3.4.0 final. After that, >> security [...] > As a native English speaker it is not immediately obvious to me > how to make that clearer. Is it that the antecedent of "one > release" isn't clear? I naivelly interpret "until one release after the release of 3.4.0" as talking about doing another 3.4 release. I find it ambiguous about what branch we are talking about. Maybe something in the line of "the last bugfix release of 3.3 will be done after 3.4.0 is published". Or "After 3.4.0 is released, we will release a final bugfix release of 3.3". - -- Jes?s Cea Avi?n _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQCVAwUBUGo3Nplgi5GaxT1NAQLl+AP/b3WMlDD6StHE9QCya5GTdz6pukBCXXf+ y+c9/lXVI+6ORFX0z+cp9DwOX9PhHP47JDJaryog/s7tAhQQ9/eCrvjM3iaXRwtM hPby1nZNfnXU54vyGKvNJCrMHSYw70vOyV3hhCOGDgBz7OsF7C3dXGTLEoPBUEz+ OSmrFcYhADU= =3CrX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From g.brandl at gmx.net Tue Oct 2 08:26:58 2012 From: g.brandl at gmx.net (Georg Brandl) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:26:58 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <506A3736.7050703@jcea.es> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> <506A2A25.8080103@jcea.es> <20121002002512.425F92500FB@webabinitio.net> <506A3736.7050703@jcea.es> Message-ID: On 10/02/2012 02:37 AM, Jesus Cea wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/10/12 02:25, R. David Murray wrote: >>> 3.3 will receive bugfix updates approximately every 4-6 months >>> until one release after the release of 3.4.0 final. After that, >>> security > [...] > >> As a native English speaker it is not immediately obvious to me >> how to make that clearer. Is it that the antecedent of "one >> release" isn't clear? > > I naivelly interpret "until one release after the release of 3.4.0" as > talking about doing another 3.4 release. I find it ambiguous about > what branch we are talking about. > > Maybe something in the line of "the last bugfix release of 3.3 will be > done after 3.4.0 is published". Or "After 3.4.0 is released, we will > release a final bugfix release of 3.3". I've tried to reword it now. Georg From tjreedy at udel.edu Tue Oct 2 08:49:36 2012 From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 02:49:36 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <506A3736.7050703@jcea.es> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> <50690381.7020703@udel.edu> <50697ED0.9000300@v.loewis.de> <506A2A25.8080103@jcea.es> <20121002002512.425F92500FB@webabinitio.net> <506A3736.7050703@jcea.es> Message-ID: <506A8E80.2070704@udel.edu> On 10/1/2012 8:37 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/10/12 02:25, R. David Murray wrote: >>> 3.3 will receive bugfix updates approximately every 4-6 months >>> until one release after the release of 3.4.0 final. This is a bit weird, as it can be read as implying after 3.4.1. > I naivelly interpret "until one release after the release of 3.4.0" as > talking about doing another 3.4 release. I find it ambiguous about > what branch we are talking about. > > Maybe something in the line of "the last bugfix release of 3.3 will be > done after 3.4.0 is published". Or "After 3.4.0 is released, we will > release a final bugfix release of 3.3". 3.3 will receive bugfix updates approximately every 4-6 months until the final bugfix release soon after the release of 3.4.0. Is that clearer? tjr From victor.stinner at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 11:47:49 2012 From: victor.stinner at gmail.com (Victor Stinner) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 11:47:49 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> Message-ID: > So, if I understand correctly, the current situation is this: > > 2.6: Security fixes only > 2.7, 3.2, 3.3: Bugfixes only > 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.0, 3.1: Dead Would it be possible to write this status in the devguide (and also maintain it!)? Victor From martin at v.loewis.de Tue Oct 2 14:23:30 2012 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:23:30 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> Message-ID: <506ADCC2.3060207@v.loewis.de> Am 02.10.12 11:47, schrieb Victor Stinner: >> So, if I understand correctly, the current situation is this: >> >> 2.6: Security fixes only >> 2.7, 3.2, 3.3: Bugfixes only >> 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.0, 3.1: Dead > > Would it be possible to write this status in the devguide (and also > maintain it!)? Putting it there is surely possible. Keeping it maintained is absolutely impossible, if you expect an update to happen as part of the release process. The release process is already complex enough, so there shouldn't be any additional steps in the release process. Instead, having people point out inconsistencies and them somebody fixing them is something that could work. Regards, Martin From g.brandl at gmx.net Tue Oct 2 17:13:17 2012 From: g.brandl at gmx.net (Georg Brandl) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:13:17 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] Branches support status (Re: 3.3 branch created in main repository) In-Reply-To: References: <5069000B.50306@jcea.es> Message-ID: On 10/02/2012 11:47 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: >> So, if I understand correctly, the current situation is this: >> >> 2.6: Security fixes only >> 2.7, 3.2, 3.3: Bugfixes only >> 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.0, 3.1: Dead > > Would it be possible to write this status in the devguide (and also > maintain it!)? I would support putting links to the release schedule PEPs in the devguide somewhere. Georg From chris.jerdonek at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 09:30:31 2012 From: chris.jerdonek at gmail.com (Chris Jerdonek) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 00:30:31 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] custom/sandbox repositories Message-ID: Antoine pointed out to me the possibility of using a custom repository for testing purposes: http://docs.python.org/devguide/buildbots.html#custom-builders Is the standard procedure for a developer to create and use their own sandbox repository under http://hg.python.org/sandbox/? Or should we use an existing sandbox repository (e.g. perhaps by creating a new head so as to decrease inteference)? Is the sandbox repository something we can create on our own, or do we need to request it? --Chris From ncoghlan at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 10:51:15 2012 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:21:15 +0530 Subject: [python-committers] custom/sandbox repositories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > Antoine pointed out to me the possibility of using a custom repository > for testing purposes: > > http://docs.python.org/devguide/buildbots.html#custom-builders > > Is the standard procedure for a developer to create and use their own > sandbox repository under http://hg.python.org/sandbox/? Or should we > use an existing sandbox repository (e.g. perhaps by creating a new > head so as to decrease inteference)? Create our own sandbox. I actually keep my sandbox on Bitbucket, but I still have one on hg.python.org as well in case I want to try something out on the buildbots. For collaboration on particular features, a feature clone under /features can be a good idea. > Is the sandbox repository > something we can create on our own, or do we need to request it? You can just use the "server-side clone" link when looking at http://hg.python.org/cpython/ Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan at gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia From chris.jerdonek at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 07:15:35 2012 From: chris.jerdonek at gmail.com (Chris Jerdonek) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:15:35 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] custom/sandbox repositories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Chris Jerdonek > wrote: >> Is the sandbox repository >> something we can create on our own, or do we need to request it? > > You can just use the "server-side clone" link when looking at > http://hg.python.org/cpython/ Am I right that the server-side clone feature isn't documented in the devguide? Also, is it okay to specify a three-level name for the "target repo name" like "sandbox/cjerdonek/cpython"? --Chris From nad at acm.org Sun Oct 14 07:28:43 2012 From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:28:43 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] custom/sandbox repositories References: Message-ID: In article , Chris Jerdonek wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Chris Jerdonek > > wrote: > >> Is the sandbox repository > >> something we can create on our own, or do we need to request it? > > > > You can just use the "server-side clone" link when looking at > > http://hg.python.org/cpython/ > > Am I right that the server-side clone feature isn't documented in the > devguide? Also, is it okay to specify a three-level name for the > "target repo name" like "sandbox/cjerdonek/cpython"? http://docs.python.org/devguide/committing.html#long-term-development-of- features -- Ned Deily, nad at acm.org From chris.jerdonek at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 07:33:22 2012 From: chris.jerdonek at gmail.com (Chris Jerdonek) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:33:22 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] custom/sandbox repositories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > In article > , > Chris Jerdonek wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Chris Jerdonek >> > wrote: >> >> Is the sandbox repository >> >> something we can create on our own, or do we need to request it? >> > >> > You can just use the "server-side clone" link when looking at >> > http://hg.python.org/cpython/ >> >> Am I right that the server-side clone feature isn't documented in the >> devguide? Also, is it okay to specify a three-level name for the >> "target repo name" like "sandbox/cjerdonek/cpython"? > > http://docs.python.org/devguide/committing.html#long-term-development-of- > features Thanks. It's odd that searching neither for "clone" nor "server-side" pulls that up (using the guide's "Quick Search" box). --Chris From chris.jerdonek at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 08:50:47 2012 From: chris.jerdonek at gmail.com (Chris Jerdonek) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:50:47 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] custom/sandbox repositories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Chris Jerdonek >> wrote: >>> Is the sandbox repository >>> something we can create on our own, or do we need to request it? >> >> You can just use the "server-side clone" link when looking at >> http://hg.python.org/cpython/ > > Am I right that the server-side clone feature isn't documented in the > devguide? Also, is it okay to specify a three-level name for the > "target repo name" like "sandbox/cjerdonek/cpython"? To answer my own question, the answer is no. :) 'Please use a secondary level path such as "sandbox/cpython"' --Chris From eliben at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 15:32:41 2012 From: eliben at gmail.com (Eli Bendersky) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:32:41 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] Googler Python committers Message-ID: Hello, I had the privilege of joining Google's Mountain View office yesterday, and was wondering who else from the core development team works there, or in Google in general (in addition to Guido, of course). It could be great to meet for lunch now and then and discuss issues of common interest. Eli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.jerdonek at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 16:44:36 2012 From: chris.jerdonek at gmail.com (Chris Jerdonek) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:44:36 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] Googler Python committers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote: > > I had the privilege of joining Google's Mountain View office yesterday, and > was wondering who else from the core development team works there, or in > Google in general (in addition to Guido, of course). Congrats, Eli! This may not be complete or accurate, but (and this tip can be useful to everybody), the list of committers here has a column that in some cases shows a company. Several people from Google are listed: http://bugs.python.org/user?iscommitter=1&@action=search&@sort=username&@pagesize=300 (IIRC, you need to be logged in to the tracker to see the page.) --Chris From greg at krypto.org Tue Oct 16 19:11:39 2012 From: greg at krypto.org (Gregory P. Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:11:39 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] Googler Python committers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote: > > > > I had the privilege of joining Google's Mountain View office yesterday, > and > > was wondering who else from the core development team works there, or in > > Google in general (in addition to Guido, of course). > > Congrats, Eli! This may not be complete or accurate, but (and this > tip can be useful to everybody), the list of committers here has a > column that in some cases shows a company. Several people from Google > are listed: > > > http://bugs.python.org/user?iscommitter=1&@action=search&@sort=username&@pagesize=300 That isn't up to date and users cannot edit their own information (at least it tells _me_ I'm not authorized when I submit the edit form on my own info) so I wouldn't trust that page. Yet another silly profile to maintain in yet another location. sigh. There are many Google committers though not all are active. -gps -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry at python.org Tue Oct 16 20:05:34 2012 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:05:34 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Googler Python committers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121016140534.0d3996e7@limelight.wooz.org> On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: >That isn't up to date and users cannot edit their own information (at least >it tells _me_ I'm not authorized when I submit the edit form on my own >info) so I wouldn't trust that page. Yet another silly profile to maintain >in yet another location. sigh. I was able to update my own information. Cheers, -Barry From rdmurray at bitdance.com Tue Oct 16 20:34:01 2012 From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:34:01 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Googler Python committers In-Reply-To: <20121016140534.0d3996e7@limelight.wooz.org> References: <20121016140534.0d3996e7@limelight.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20121016183401.86DEE2500FA@webabinitio.net> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:05:34 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > >That isn't up to date and users cannot edit their own information (at least > >it tells _me_ I'm not authorized when I submit the edit form on my own > >info) so I wouldn't trust that page. Yet another silly profile to maintain > >in yet another location. sigh. > > I was able to update my own information. Barry, you have Coordinator role as well as Developer. Greg, you seem to have two accounts, gps and gregory.p.smith. gps doesn't have Developer role (I added it before I realized you had the other account too, then removed it :) Which one were you trying to edit? Users are supposed to be able to edit their own info (well, most of it anyway), so maybe there is a field level permissions bug in the tracker. --David From anthonybaxter at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 02:06:09 2012 From: anthonybaxter at gmail.com (Anthony Baxter) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:06:09 +1100 Subject: [python-committers] Googler Python committers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yep. People tend to stop being so active when they join Google (including me) :-( There's a fair number of current or ex Python dev folks at Google. Guido, Jeremy H, Alex M, Neal N, Thomas W off the top of my head, I am certain there's a bunch more... On Oct 17, 2012 4:12 AM, "Gregory P. Smith" wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote: >> > >> > I had the privilege of joining Google's Mountain View office yesterday, >> and >> > was wondering who else from the core development team works there, or in >> > Google in general (in addition to Guido, of course). >> >> Congrats, Eli! This may not be complete or accurate, but (and this >> tip can be useful to everybody), the list of committers here has a >> column that in some cases shows a company. Several people from Google >> are listed: >> >> >> http://bugs.python.org/user?iscommitter=1&@action=search&@sort=username&@pagesize=300 > > > That isn't up to date and users cannot edit their own information (at > least it tells _me_ I'm not authorized when I submit the edit form on my > own info) so I wouldn't trust that page. Yet another silly profile to > maintain in yet another location. sigh. > > There are many Google committers though not all are active. > > -gps > > _______________________________________________ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg at krypto.org Wed Oct 17 02:33:13 2012 From: greg at krypto.org (Gregory P. Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:33:13 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] Googler Python committers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Anthony Baxter wrote: > Yep. People tend to stop being so active when they join Google (including > me) :-( > My activity increased. I would not make that statement. -gps -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonybaxter at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 03:13:31 2012 From: anthonybaxter at gmail.com (Anthony Baxter) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:13:31 +1100 Subject: [python-committers] Googler Python committers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fair enough - I did say "tend". :) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Anthony Baxter > wrote: >> >> Yep. People tend to stop being so active when they join Google (including >> me) :-( > > My activity increased. I would not make that statement. > > -gps From andrew.svetlov at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 23:15:11 2012 From: andrew.svetlov at gmail.com (Andrew Svetlov) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:15:11 +0300 Subject: [python-committers] New core developer In-Reply-To: <5043B53F.4060106@ox.cx> References: <1345678341.3346.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5043B53F.4060106@ox.cx> Message-ID: I would to pick up the question. Serhiy Storchaka is responsible man and is very active. His patches are good enough, often covering the matter out of view from other Core Devs. He is also receptive to comments/reviews as Antonie said (and I'm agree with Antonie). Serhiy can make a big value to Python as committer than as just a contributor. I'm +1. I really will to make a second poll pass. >From my perspective first one had lack of activity due pre-release state. Sorry if I'm wrong. On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Hynek Schlawack wrote: > I can?t really judge his responsiveness as he mostly hacks in areas I don?t. > > But judging from the issue lists he seems to be one of the most active > current developers ATM with the curse of working on subsystems that are > maintained by people that aren?t very prone to suggest new committers. > > So if you think he?s adequate, I?m sure he is. Probably overdue. > > +1 > > Antoine Pitrou schrieb: >> Hello, >> >> I'd like to propose Serhiy Storchaka as a new core developer. He has >> made numerous contributions, and has proven receptive to comments and >> reviews. He's also interested in becoming a core developer. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Regards >> >> Antoine. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers -- Thanks, Andrew Svetlov From solipsis at pitrou.net Wed Oct 17 23:28:21 2012 From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 23:28:21 +0200 Subject: [python-committers] New core developer In-Reply-To: References: <1345678341.3346.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5043B53F.4060106@ox.cx> Message-ID: <1350509301.3364.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, Le jeudi 18 octobre 2012 ? 00:15 +0300, Andrew Svetlov a ?crit : > I would to pick up the question. > > Serhiy Storchaka is responsible man and is very active. > His patches are good enough, often covering the matter out of view > from other Core Devs. > He is also receptive to comments/reviews as Antonie said (and I'm > agree with Antonie). > > Serhiy can make a big value to Python as committer than as just a contributor. Serhiy preferred to decline since some core devs were lukewarn towards his becoming a core dev. Of course he can still candidate again later. Regards Antoine (not ? Antonie ?, by the way :-)). > > I'm +1. > > I really will to make a second poll pass. > From my perspective first one had lack of activity due pre-release state. > > Sorry if I'm wrong. > > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Hynek Schlawack wrote: > > I can?t really judge his responsiveness as he mostly hacks in areas I don?t. > > > > But judging from the issue lists he seems to be one of the most active > > current developers ATM with the curse of working on subsystems that are > > maintained by people that aren?t very prone to suggest new committers. > > > > So if you think he?s adequate, I?m sure he is. Probably overdue. > > > > +1 > > > > Antoine Pitrou schrieb: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I'd like to propose Serhiy Storchaka as a new core developer. He has > >> made numerous contributions, and has proven receptive to comments and > >> reviews. He's also interested in becoming a core developer. > >> > >> What do you think? > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Antoine. > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > python-committers mailing list > > python-committers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers From andrew.svetlov at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 00:36:35 2012 From: andrew.svetlov at gmail.com (Andrew Svetlov) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 01:36:35 +0300 Subject: [python-committers] New core developer In-Reply-To: <1350509301.3364.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1345678341.3346.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5043B53F.4060106@ox.cx> <1350509301.3364.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hello, > > Le jeudi 18 octobre 2012 ? 00:15 +0300, Andrew Svetlov a ?crit : >> I would to pick up the question. >> >> Serhiy Storchaka is responsible man and is very active. >> His patches are good enough, often covering the matter out of view >> from other Core Devs. >> He is also receptive to comments/reviews as Antonie said (and I'm >> agree with Antonie). >> >> Serhiy can make a big value to Python as committer than as just a contributor. > > Serhiy preferred to decline since some core devs were lukewarn towards > his becoming a core dev. Of course he can still candidate again later. > > Regards > > Antoine (not ? Antonie ?, by the way :-)). > Sorry, Antoine. In my land Anton is common name, but Antoine was known me only as Antoine de Saint-Exup?ry in Russian notation. I will never again make this mistake. >> >> I'm +1. >> >> I really will to make a second poll pass. >> From my perspective first one had lack of activity due pre-release state. >> >> Sorry if I'm wrong. >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Hynek Schlawack wrote: >> > I can?t really judge his responsiveness as he mostly hacks in areas I don?t. >> > >> > But judging from the issue lists he seems to be one of the most active >> > current developers ATM with the curse of working on subsystems that are >> > maintained by people that aren?t very prone to suggest new committers. >> > >> > So if you think he?s adequate, I?m sure he is. Probably overdue. >> > >> > +1 >> > >> > Antoine Pitrou schrieb: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I'd like to propose Serhiy Storchaka as a new core developer. He has >> >> made numerous contributions, and has proven receptive to comments and >> >> reviews. He's also interested in becoming a core developer. >> >> >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Antoine. >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > python-committers mailing list >> > python-committers at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > > > _______________________________________________ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers -- Thanks, Andrew Svetlov From trent at snakebite.org Sun Oct 28 01:36:18 2012 From: trent at snakebite.org (Trent Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:36:18 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Remote access to Snakebite Windows boxes Message-ID: <20121027233617.GA17527@snakebite.org> Just noticed some chatter on #python-dev earlier today regarding access to Windows boxes, and wanted to let you know the Snakebite Windows boxes are definitely available for remote login... ....sort of. Remote desktop login is a bit trickier than ssh as you need to enter the password for the cpython account. I have built the relevant gpg infrastructure to pipe account passwords to you via the existing ~/.snakebite stuff... it just needs a first-windows-remote-login guinea pig to tweak how everything works. So, if you want to be the guinea pig, ping me on #python-dev! (Or e-mail if my idle time on IRC seems excessive.) Trent.