[Python-authors] Python-authors Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4
Doug Hellmann
doug at doughellmann.com
Mon Oct 10 15:50:51 EDT 2016
If you feel like you have a unique take on it, I recommend exploring options with other publishing houses. If a topic is interesting enough, having competing books on the market isn’t a bad thing. Look at how many “learn to program” books there are, for example.
> On Oct 10, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Actually kinda nice to see this mailing list spring to some sort of life.
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> I have been weighing my options in terms of trying to author something Python related, but the subject matter is escaping me. Every time I come across a topic that seems like a winner, I find that book with some other author's name on it on o'Reilly's bookshelf.
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> 1. Re: what should we do with this list? (Steve Holden)
> 2. Re: what should we do with this list? (Brian Jones)
> 3. Re: what should we do with this list? (Doug Hellmann)
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> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:19:49 +0100
> From: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com <mailto:steve at holdenweb.com>>
> To: Vasudev Ram <vasudevram at gmail.com <mailto:vasudevram at gmail.com>>
> Cc: Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com <mailto:doug at doughellmann.com>>, Python Authors
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> Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list?
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> Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA".
>
> I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex
> Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in
> a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6"
> documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that
> the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next
> year.
>
> O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to
> delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed
> to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we
> wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other
> time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was
> a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But
> now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms.
>
> So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on?
>
> regards
> Steve
>
> Steve Holden
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram <vasudevram at gmail.com <mailto:vasudevram at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > Steve Holden wrote:
> >
> > >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would
> > probably be better fading away.
> >
> > What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I
> > saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of
> > emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it
> > something like other authors on this list being able to help out
> > anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice?
> >
> > (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a
> > pity to let the effort of starting it go waste).
> >
> > But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion
> > that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there
> > will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people.
> > That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it,
> > though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if
> > that is not already done?
> > And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog?
> >
> > My 2c.
> >
> > --
> > Vasudev Ram
> > - gumroad.com/vasudevram <http://gumroad.com/vasudevram> | jugad2.blogspot.com <http://jugad2.blogspot.com/> | vasudevram.github.io <http://vasudevram.github.io/>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:58:37 -0400
> From: Brian Jones <bkjones at gmail.com <mailto:bkjones at gmail.com>>
> To: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com <mailto:steve at holdenweb.com>>
> Cc: Vasudev Ram <vasudevram at gmail.com <mailto:vasudevram at gmail.com>>, Python Authors
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> Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list?
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> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com <mailto:steve at holdenweb.com>> wrote:
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> > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on?
>
> I'm working on defining clear goals in the writing space for myself.
> I'm scattered on multiple personal writing projects, in various stages
> of completion. One I thought was completed until I reread it and
> determined it was utter crap, so I'm revising it. Another is a blog
> that requires a backlog of material. Another is transcribing 32 years
> of personal journals into some digital format with inline comments
> from the "today" version of me :)
>
> None of my current writing projects are technical (though the blog is
> about leading technical teams). I'm doing technical *work* in terms of
> keeping up to speed on various technical fronts, but I'm not to the
> point of writing about them. I miss that kind of writing, truth be
> told.
>
> I have to say, it's good to see the names of old friends in my inbox again :)
> brian
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> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:10:20 -0400
> From: Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com <mailto:doug at doughellmann.com>>
> To: Python Authors <python-authors at python.org <mailto:python-authors at python.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Python-authors] what should we do with this list?
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> > On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com <mailto:steve at holdenweb.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe we could encouraging some swapping of war stories, under "frieNDA".
> >
> > I can mention that I have an authoring project on the go - with Alex Martelli and Anna Ravenscroft I am working on the 3rd Edition of "Python in a Nutshell." I spent this weekend taking the "What's New in Python 3.6" documentation apart and analysing the changes so that we could be sure that the book will be as up to date as possible when it's published early next year.
>
> I?m working on updating ?The Python Standard Library by Example? to work with Python 3.5. I haven?t tested any of my examples to make sure they still work with 3.6, and I?m close enough to my deadline that I don?t think I want to try it for now. Unless someone thinks there?s a critical new module in that version?
>
> >
> > O'Reilly wanted to have the book out for Christmas, and I fought hard to delay it, on the grounds that the publication timetable would be too rushed to submit before Christmas, product quality would have suffered and we wouldn't have been able to be definitive on 3.6. The first and only other time I wrote a major work (Python Web Programming, published in 2002) I was a brand new author, and tended to defer too easily to the publisher. But now I hope I have learned how to make an argument to them in business terms.
> >
> > So, having tried to get the party started, what's everyone else working on?
> >
> > regards
> > Steve
> >
> > Steve Holden
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Vasudev Ram <vasudevram at gmail.com <mailto:vasudevram at gmail.com> <mailto:vasudevram at gmail.com <mailto:vasudevram at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > Steve Holden wrote:
> >
> > >But if nobody has the time to perform the resultant tasks, the list would probably be better fading away.
> >
> > What would be those resultant tasks? IIRC it's quite a while since I
> > saw any emails from this list, so I don't remember what kinds of
> > emails there may have been, earlier, of the type you refer to. Was it
> > something like other authors on this list being able to help out
> > anyone posting questions as a first-time author, with some advice?
> >
> > (I was earlier going to say maybe close the list, but it seems like a
> > pity to let the effort of starting it go waste).
> >
> > But, sort of agreeing now with Steve's and Mike Driscoll's suggestion
> > that it be kept open, and just see if anything happens - i.e. if there
> > will be any activity on it and if it turns out to be useful to people.
> > That still doesn't solve how new people will get to know of it,
> > though. Maybe it could be mentioned somewhere on the Python Wiki, if
> > that is not already done?
> > And/or a post once in a while on the PSF blog?
> >
> > My 2c.
> >
> > --
> > Vasudev Ram
> > - gumroad.com/vasudevram <http://gumroad.com/vasudevram> <http://gumroad.com/vasudevram <http://gumroad.com/vasudevram>> | jugad2.blogspot.com <http://jugad2.blogspot.com/> <http://jugad2.blogspot.com/ <http://jugad2.blogspot.com/>> | vasudevram.github.io <http://vasudevram.github.io/> <http://vasudevram.github.io/ <http://vasudevram.github.io/>>
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