From fijall at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 05:18:08 2017
From: fijall at gmail.com (Maciej Fijalkowski)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 10:18:08 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] Leysin Winter sprint
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Hi Anto

With the climate change >15/03 is not a very good winter sprint, is it?

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Antonio Cuni <anto.cuni at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Armin,
>
> I would probably be unable to come during the first two weeks of march, so
> for me the preference is basically "anything >= 15/03"
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Armin Rigo <armin.rigo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm trying to organise the next winter sprint a bit in advance.  It
>> might tentatively be occurring in March 2018.  If people have
>> preferences for the exact week, please do tell :-)
>>
>>
>> A bient?t,
>>
>> Armin.
>> _______________________________________________
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From anto.cuni at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 05:58:45 2017
From: anto.cuni at gmail.com (Antonio Cuni)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 10:58:45 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] Leysin Winter sprint
In-Reply-To: <CAK5idxQAAUmsrS2xzEpd-CCJyE4xdbO3QBTBJV++xO32g9Pdfg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAHPg78wNbCd9qC_LqYoFC5YdYKL3GNs-+NYXV5u2gAA-3Jd7jA@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't know the exact climate of behavior of Switzerland, but in the past
few winters in Italy it has basically been a lottery; you just don't know
when it's going to be cold or to have snow. For example, last year I skied
on snow which ranged from ok-ish to very bad from december to april, and
then I found the best snow/climate of the season on 2 May.

But anyway, from my very personal point of view "sprint in Leysin with
potentially higher temperatures" > "no sprint in Leysin" ?

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Maciej Fijalkowski <fijall at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Anto
>
> With the climate change >15/03 is not a very good winter sprint, is it?
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Antonio Cuni <anto.cuni at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Armin,
> >
> > I would probably be unable to come during the first two weeks of march,
> so
> > for me the preference is basically "anything >= 15/03"
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Armin Rigo <armin.rigo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm trying to organise the next winter sprint a bit in advance.  It
> >> might tentatively be occurring in March 2018.  If people have
> >> preferences for the exact week, please do tell :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> A bient?t,
> >>
> >> Armin.
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> pypy-dev at python.org
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pypy-dev
> >
> >
> >
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From me at manueljacob.de  Sat Nov  4 10:19:07 2017
From: me at manueljacob.de (Manuel Jacob)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 15:19:07 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] Leysin Winter sprint
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Message-ID: <b65e21b63a048efd74212617b12c7283@manueljacob.de>

Hi,

Between the second week of February and the first week of April I'm 
mostly freed from regular university duties.  In the middle of March 
would probably be most suitable for me.

I think it's fine if the temperatures are a bit higher (disclaimer: I'm 
not planning to go skiing, I prefer hiking).

-Manuel

On 2017-10-29 23:11, Armin Rigo wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to organise the next winter sprint a bit in advance.  It
> might tentatively be occurring in March 2018.  If people have
> preferences for the exact week, please do tell :-)
> 
> 
> A bient?t,
> 
> Armin.
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> pypy-dev at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pypy-dev

From matti.picus at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 10:45:19 2017
From: matti.picus at gmail.com (Matti Picus)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 17:45:19 +0200
Subject: [pypy-dev] RPython proposed deprecation: translator.platform
 .distutils_platform
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From anto.cuni at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 04:07:02 2017
From: anto.cuni at gmail.com (Antonio Cuni)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 10:07:02 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] [pypy-commit] pypy default: "eh". On pypy we need to
 be careful in which order we have pendingblocks.
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Hi,

I suppose that the explanation that you put in the commit message should
also go in a comment inside the source code, else when someone sees it it's
just obscure.
Also, it'd be nice to have some tests about ShuffleDict :)

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:55 AM, fijal <pypy.commits at gmail.com> wrote:

> Author: fijal
> Branch:
> Changeset: r92981:cb9634421fa2
> Date: 2017-11-08 17:54 -0800
> http://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/cb9634421fa2/
>
> Log:    "eh". On pypy we need to be careful in which order we have
>         pendingblocks. Otherwise we end up in a setup where we have blocks
>         a, b and c where a and b are blocked because c needs to add an
>         attribute, but c is never appended since popitem() would always
>         return an a or b. I wonder if the same condition can be repeated on
>         CPython, but I cannot. Unclear how would you write a test for it
>         since it depends on dictionary order.
>
> diff --git a/rpython/annotator/annrpython.py b/rpython/annotator/
> annrpython.py
> --- a/rpython/annotator/annrpython.py
> +++ b/rpython/annotator/annrpython.py
> @@ -15,10 +15,34 @@
>      typeof, s_ImpossibleValue, SomeInstance, intersection, difference)
>  from rpython.annotator.bookkeeper import Bookkeeper
>  from rpython.rtyper.normalizecalls import perform_normalizations
> +from collections import deque
>
>  log = AnsiLogger("annrpython")
>
>
> +class ShuffleDict(object):
> +    def __init__(self):
> +        self._d = {}
> +        self.keys = deque()
> +
> +    def __setitem__(self, k, v):
> +        if k in self._d:
> +            self._d[k] = v
> +        else:
> +            self._d[k] = v
> +            self.keys.append(k)
> +
> +    def __getitem__(self, k):
> +        return self._d[k]
> +
> +    def popitem(self):
> +        key = self.keys.popleft()
> +        item = self._d.pop(key)
> +        return (key, item)
> +
> +    def __nonzero__(self):
> +        return bool(self._d)
> +
>  class RPythonAnnotator(object):
>      """Block annotator for RPython.
>      See description in doc/translation.txt."""
> @@ -33,7 +57,7 @@
>              translator = TranslationContext()
>              translator.annotator = self
>          self.translator = translator
> -        self.pendingblocks = {}  # map {block: graph-containing-it}
> +        self.pendingblocks = ShuffleDict()  # map {block:
> graph-containing-it}
>          self.annotated = {}      # set of blocks already seen
>          self.added_blocks = None # see processblock() below
>          self.links_followed = {} # set of links that have ever been
> followed
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From fijall at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 16:14:21 2017
From: fijall at gmail.com (Maciej Fijalkowski)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 21:14:21 +0000
Subject: [pypy-dev] RPython proposed deprecation: translator.platform
 .distutils_platform
In-Reply-To: <0fdb7f15-468a-be3e-f99c-8fcbcce65828@gmail.com>
References: <0fdb7f15-468a-be3e-f99c-8fcbcce65828@gmail.com>
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+1

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Matti Picus <matti.picus at gmail.com> wrote:
> In addition to the arm, bsd, cygwin, darwin, freebsd, linux, maemo (really?)
> netbsd, openbsd, posix, and windows rpython/translator/platforms, we have
> one called "distutils_platform" that is allegedly supposed to allow one to
> specify the target platform and use distutils factilities to compile an
> RPython program for that target. I would like to deprecate (remove) it. The
> trigger for my proposal is the need to import setuptools to enable disutils
> to find the MSVC compiler on a system that uses the "Visual for Python"
> compilers, which I came across when setting up a new win32 build slave.
> Rather than try and fix the problem I would prefer to remove the platform.
>
> Any objections?
> Matti
>
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From dynamicgl at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 12:32:09 2017
From: dynamicgl at gmail.com (Gelin Yan)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 01:32:09 +0800
Subject: [pypy-dev] a question about translating pypy for raspberry pi
Message-ID: <CABkOF6T0iikfoER0Vmh9FG=0+ZRssC0ERXKqXOLP+nyDOR52Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

   I followed the instructions from

http://doc.pypy.org/en/release-2.4.x/arm.html

and succeeded to build a pypy (it works in qemu environment)

when I copied to my raspberry pi 3 (OS: raspbian) and tried to run pypy

the program complained:

"error while loading shared libraries: libpypy-c.so: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory"

Did I do something wrong here?

Regards

gelin yan
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From anto.cuni at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 12:50:57 2017
From: anto.cuni at gmail.com (Antonio Cuni)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 18:50:57 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] a question about translating pypy for raspberry pi
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Maybe it's a stupid advice but: are you sure to have copied also
libpypy-c.so to the raspberry?
Is it in the same directory as the "pypy" or "pypy-c" executable?

I suggest you to run the script "pypy/tool/release/package.py", which
builds a tarball containing all the necessary stuff (including the stdlib).
Then you can simply untar on the raspberry and run it.

You should run it this way:
python package.py --archive-name=my-pypy-for-rpi



On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Gelin Yan <dynamicgl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All
>
>    I followed the instructions from
>
> http://doc.pypy.org/en/release-2.4.x/arm.html
>
> and succeeded to build a pypy (it works in qemu environment)
>
> when I copied to my raspberry pi 3 (OS: raspbian) and tried to run pypy
>
> the program complained:
>
> "error while loading shared libraries: libpypy-c.so: cannot open shared
> object file: No such file or directory"
>
> Did I do something wrong here?
>
> Regards
>
> gelin yan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From anto.cuni at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 14:53:39 2017
From: anto.cuni at gmail.com (Antonio Cuni)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 20:53:39 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] a question about translating pypy for raspberry pi
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References: <CABkOF6T0iikfoER0Vmh9FG=0+ZRssC0ERXKqXOLP+nyDOR52Zw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Gelin,
Please make sure to include pypy-dev in the CC, so that the others can read
the answer.

I suggest you to try two things:
1. Try to run pypy under strace: this way you can see where it tries to
find .so libraries and which one it cannot find (it might be a dependency
of libpypy-c itself)

2. Try a nightly build from here: http://buildbot.pypy.org/nightly/trunk/



Il 10 nov 2017 7:51 PM, "Gelin Yan" <dynamicgl at gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Antonio Cuni <anto.cuni at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe it's a stupid advice but: are you sure to have copied also
>> libpypy-c.so to the raspberry?
>> Is it in the same directory as the "pypy" or "pypy-c" executable?
>>
>> I suggest you to run the script "pypy/tool/release/package.py", which
>> builds a tarball containing all the necessary stuff (including the stdlib).
>> Then you can simply untar on the raspberry and run it.
>>
>> You should run it this way:
>> python package.py --archive-name=my-pypy-for-rpi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Hi Antonio
>
>     Yes. I did run the package.py to make a pypy package for ARM. I did
> check libpypy-c.so which is placed on the same directory of where pypy is.
>
> Regards
>
> gelin yan
>
>
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From zlists at ns.sympatico.ca  Mon Nov 13 15:20:16 2017
From: zlists at ns.sympatico.ca (zlists at ns.sympatico.ca)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:20:16 -0400
Subject: [pypy-dev] bug in socket.py in pypy3-5.8_beta
Message-ID: <20171113202016.GA4555@jdiamond-mb.acadiau.ca>

(I'm sure somewhere there is a proper place to report a bug, but I
gave up after hunting for a few minutes.)

socket.py has the code

    import platform
        kern_version = tuple(map(int, platform.release().partition('-')[0].split('.')))

which is buggy, because the kernel version is not necessarily
completely numeric.  Check out CONFIG_LOCALVERSION in any kernel config.

Thanks.

                                Jim

From armin.rigo at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 18:00:20 2017
From: armin.rigo at gmail.com (Armin Rigo)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 00:00:20 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] bug in socket.py in pypy3-5.8_beta
In-Reply-To: <20171113202016.GA4555@jdiamond-mb.acadiau.ca>
References: <20171113202016.GA4555@jdiamond-mb.acadiau.ca>
Message-ID: <CAMSv6X0hof0GJufHLAUKbe4wUsUj3+STHoBKwBAWRf7ryTgKFA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

On 13 November 2017 at 21:20,  <zlists at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> (I'm sure somewhere there is a proper place to report a bug, but I
> gave up after hunting for a few minutes.)
>
> socket.py has the code
>
>     import platform
>         kern_version = tuple(map(int, platform.release().partition('-')[0].split('.')))

Grepping for ``platform.release``, I can only find similar code in
``lib-python/3/test/support/__init__.py``.  I'm not sure that's the
place you mean.  If it really is, then it comes straight from CPython,
and the corresponding problem should be reported to CPython instead at
bugs.python.org (after checking that it still exists in the latest
CPython release).


A bient?t,

Armin.

From fijall at gmail.com  Wed Nov 15 02:26:07 2017
From: fijall at gmail.com (Maciej Fijalkowski)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:26:07 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] Let's fix buildbots
Message-ID: <CAK5idxTyFpsExDg2nc3WwVp2-JaS8KKqupPt+X6JNHbDwH6zpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone

I recently looked here: http://buildbot.pypy.org/summary

and it looks quite grim. Can we stop for a second and fix most of
those so we have some level of greenness around?

Cheers,
fijal

From armin.rigo at gmail.com  Sun Nov 19 17:07:02 2017
From: armin.rigo at gmail.com (Armin Rigo)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:07:02 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] [pypy-commit] pypy default: "eh". On pypy we need to
 be careful in which order we have pendingblocks.
In-Reply-To: <CAHPg78x54TUJoF4CFxroTeim9xQLFVtV=Sz6W=f4wymOSW1OZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a03b59b.c39cdf0a.b72ee.bc53@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMSv6X144ktD79o4q66otK-Ezfk9qNxgJkN4QOvy81cGZfF8eA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On 9 November 2017 at 10:07, Antonio Cuni <anto.cuni at gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose that the explanation that you put in the commit message should
> also go in a comment inside the source code, else when someone sees it it's
> just obscure.

Done in d00a16ef468f.  I reverted the addition of ShuffleDict, and
instead made a two-lines tweak to the logic at the place where
ordering matters---with a long comment :-)


A bient?t,

Armin.

From fijall at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 05:16:00 2017
From: fijall at gmail.com (Maciej Fijalkowski)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:16:00 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] [pypy-commit] pypy default: "eh". On pypy we need to
 be careful in which order we have pendingblocks.
In-Reply-To: <CAMSv6X144ktD79o4q66otK-Ezfk9qNxgJkN4QOvy81cGZfF8eA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a03b59b.c39cdf0a.b72ee.bc53@mx.google.com>
 <CAHPg78x54TUJoF4CFxroTeim9xQLFVtV=Sz6W=f4wymOSW1OZw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMSv6X144ktD79o4q66otK-Ezfk9qNxgJkN4QOvy81cGZfF8eA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK5idxTKhvgZMO6xgXB2PcT5n0KMhHh1SA3tsW64Cs2iQBEi9g@mail.gmail.com>

ah indeed, that's a much better fix :-)

The original was done a bit haphazardly :-)

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Armin Rigo <armin.rigo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 9 November 2017 at 10:07, Antonio Cuni <anto.cuni at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I suppose that the explanation that you put in the commit message should
>> also go in a comment inside the source code, else when someone sees it it's
>> just obscure.
>
> Done in d00a16ef468f.  I reverted the addition of ShuffleDict, and
> instead made a two-lines tweak to the logic at the place where
> ordering matters---with a long comment :-)
>
>
> A bient?t,
>
> Armin.

From armin.rigo at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 08:40:30 2017
From: armin.rigo at gmail.com (Armin Rigo)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 14:40:30 +0100
Subject: [pypy-dev] Sprint in Leysin: 17-24 March 2018 (very probably)
Message-ID: <CAMSv6X0BFDW6FqUD29zqiChKfE48adX5Jkj3B1e93wfvwdb8Dg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The next sprint in Leysin is now planned on the week of the 17-24
March 2018.  Please let me know if there is a good reason to change
it.


A bient?t,

Armin.