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[Maciej Fijalkowski]

Hi Daniel.

As for kickstarter - it requires you to be american to start with :-P

As for numpy etc. - I can assure you we're working on the support for
those libraries as fast as possible, at the same time looking for
funding through commercial sources.

As for the website modernization - yes, this has to be done at some
point soon (and I started doing steps in that direction), but *that*
sort of things are really difficult to fund :-)

Cheers,
fijal

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Kotrfa <kotrfa at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for answer Maciej!
>
> I'm glad that this is in progress. It isn't possible to make some image
> about the situation from what I have found on the web. You response
> clarifies that a bit. I understand how difficult it can be.
>
> But I disagree with you regarding kickstarter. Pypy is connected to user
> experience. E.g. I am working as datascientists and pypy is running about 3
> times faster on the code I am able to use it on (which is, unfortunately,
> minority - most of it is of course in those 4 libraries which shines red on
> the library support wall - numpy, scipy, pandas, scikit-learn). Similar with
> (py)Spark. I would say there are more data scientists using Python than
> those who likes to use "MicroPython on the ESP8266". The gain this field can
> get from Pypy is quite substantial, even with that conservative estimate
> about 3 times as fast compared to cPython. And that is just one example.
>
> Of course, I cannot ensure that you might get reasonably funded on
> kickstarter-like sites. But, what can you lose by making a campaign? It
> would be definitely much more visible than on your website, which, to be
> honest, could be a bit modernized as well.  And even if it wouldn't be a
> success, you still get PR basically for free.
>
> I, unfortunately, don't have any insights or recommendation, it just
> scratched my mind.
>
> Thanks for your awesome work,
> Daniel
>
> čt 19. 5. 2016 v 18:12 odesílatel Maciej Fijalkowski <fijall at gmail.com>
> napsal:
>>
>> Hi Daniel.
>>
>> We've done all of the proposed scenarios. We had some success talking
>> to companies, but there is a lot of resistance for various reasons
>> (and the successful proposals I can't talk about), including the
>> inability to pay open source from the engineering budget and instead
>> doing it via the marketing budget (which is orders of magnitude
>> slower). In short - you need to offer them something in exchange,
>> which usually means you need to do a good job, but not good enough (so
>> you can fix it for money). This is a very perverse incentive, btu this
>> is how it goes.
>>
>> As for kickstarter - that targets primarily end-user experience and
>> not infrastructure. As such, it's hard to find money from users for
>> infrastructure, because it has relatively few direct users - mostly
>> large companies.
>>
>> As for who is working on this subject - I am. Feel free to get in
>> touch with me via other channels (private mail, gchat, IRC) if you
>> have deeper insights
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Maciej Fijalkowski
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Armin Rigo <arigo at tunes.org> wrote:
>> > On 19 May 2016 at 14:58,  <pypy-dev-owner at python.org> wrote:
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> From: Daniel Hnyk <hnykda at gmail.com>
>> >> To: pypy-dev at python.org
>> >> Cc:
>> >> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 12:58:36 +0000
>> >> Subject: Question about funding, again
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> my question is simple. It strikes me why you don't have more financial
>> >> support, since PyPy might save quite a lot of resources compared to CPython.
>> >> When we witness that e.g. microsoft is able to donate $100k to Jupyter
>> >> (https://ipython.org/microsoft-donation-2013.html), why PyPy, being even
>> >> more generic then Jupyter, has problem to raise few tenths of thousands.
>> >>
>> >> I can find few mentions about this on the internet, but no serious
>> >> article or summary is out there.
>> >>
>> >> Have you tried any of the following?
>> >>
>> >> 1. Trying to get some funding from big companies and organizations such
>> >> as Google, Microsoft, RedHat or some other like Free Software Foundation? If
>> >> not, why not?
>> >> 2. Crowd founding websites such as Kickstarter or Indiegogo get quite a
>> >> big attention nowadays even for similar projects. There were successful
>> >> campaigns for projects with even smaller target group, such as designers
>> >> (https://krita.org/) or video editors (openshot 2). Why haven't you created
>> >> a campaign there? Micropython, again, with much smaller target group of
>> >> users had got funded as well.
>> >>
>> >> Is someone working on this subject? Or is there a general lack of man
>> >> power in PyPy's team? Couldn't be someone hired from money already
>> >> collected?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for an answer,
>> >> Daniel
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