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[Carl Friedrich Bolz]

Hi Laura,

Thanks for kicking this off. Just a brief comment: I am strongly for trying
to get multi-language support into PyPy, particularly error messages and
docstrings. The actual translations would have to be crowd-sourced of
course, but there are various tools for that.

There are a few technical questions that need discussing, but those are
probably solvable.

(actually on the technical side I think there is a good reason why pypy is
well-positioned to implement this: our error messages are already a bit
different than CPython's, so code that depends on the precise error string
is anyway potentially broken on pypy.)

Cheers,

Carl Friedrich
On May 4, 2015 01:27, <lac at openend.se> wrote:

> Hello gang.
>
> Mario Reingart has been trying to internationalise CPython
> since at least 2012.
>
> Here is his lastest proposal, for GSOC.
>
> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2015/reingart/5634387206995968
>
> The PSF declined to fund it.
>
> He's written a PEP about it, which apparantly isn't in the list of
> PEPs anywhere, and has had this discussion, such as it was on the
> python-dev mailing list.
>
> http://bugs.python.org/issue16344 seems to have the arguments against
> having it put into Cpython.
>
> The arguments against seem very weak to me.
>
> My idea is that it would be good to intenationalise
> PyPy and then we can capture all the
> people who want to teach Python in the non-english speaking world.
> Mariano already has written a book about using web2py, but as far
> as I know we are perfectly compliant with this.  Mariano didn't
> know anything about PyPy when I wrote to him about it.  The idea
> that it was a completely Python compliant version was news to him...
> an indication that we lack international communication presence.
> This could be a way out of obscurity.
>
> Poor old Mariano has been fighting this fight since before 2012.
> He is sad and unhappy.  Mostly he is sad and unhappy because people
> won't discuss what he wants, or move from -- ideals fine, implementation
> well, would be better this way --- or any sort of reasonable discussion.
> 'Hung out to dry' comes to mind.
>
> I sincerely suspect that the people here will support this idea,
> but may  argue that in pypy there are better ways to do it, and, well
> we will get it done.  But in any case, please be kind to Mariano,
> since he has already suffered enough for the cause.
>
> ps -- funding it comes later.  I'd like to get Mariano paid.
> But I'd like to get some sort of idea that we want to go forward
> with this before I make a different note on how I would like to
> approach funding this.
>
> Take care all,
> Laura
>
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