From eyaltrabelsi at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 16:51:06 2019 From: eyaltrabelsi at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?15DXmdeZ15wg15jXqNeR15zXodeZ?=) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 22:51:06 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Improve documentation Message-ID: Hi, I recently stumbled upon https://wiki.python.org/moin/TimeComplexity and think it really lack the performance of the collections modules I created a medium article here and would love to update the docs as well -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mats at wichmann.us Sat Nov 2 19:28:36 2019 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 17:28:36 -0600 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Improve documentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7322702b-7ef6-270b-7fd4-d6a00cba3956@wichmann.us> On 11/1/19 2:51 PM, ???? ?????? wrote: > Hi, > I recently stumbled upon https://wiki.python.org/moin/TimeComplexity and > think it really lack the performance of the collections modules I > created a medium article here and would love to update the docs as well "here" - was there supposed to be a link? updating this page would be useful, but it's had work by a number of Python "luminaries" (in the page history I see names like Aahz, Thomas Wouters, Andrew Kuchling and Fred Drake)... I wonder if it would be good to line up others to take a look at your updated conclusions as well? do you have a wiki name set up? that's needed in order to add you as an editor. From guettliml at thomas-guettler.de Mon Nov 18 08:51:26 2019 From: guettliml at thomas-guettler.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Thomas_G=c3=bcttler?=) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:51:26 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mats at wichmann.us Mon Nov 18 09:03:19 2019 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:03:19 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0d75c240-09f8-7b7a-c2cc-e94cbe1d54bb@wichmann.us> On 11/18/19 6:51 AM, Thomas G?ttler wrote: > Hi, > > this page is very outdated. It contains notes about Python 2.2 and > Python 2.4. > > It would be very kind if this page could get updated: > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#Profiling_Code there's some contract work going on to update the wiki for the new reality that Python 3 is the only suggested work. Hopefully that will pick up part of this work, but if probably won't provide the kind of technical updating you're asking for. the sort of generic response would be "it's a wiki, if you see a problem please make/propose changes". I don't know if you're in a position to help with that... From guettliml at thomas-guettler.de Mon Nov 18 09:46:40 2019 From: guettliml at thomas-guettler.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Thomas_G=c3=bcttler?=) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:46:40 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated In-Reply-To: <0d75c240-09f8-7b7a-c2cc-e94cbe1d54bb@wichmann.us> References: <0d75c240-09f8-7b7a-c2cc-e94cbe1d54bb@wichmann.us> Message-ID: <7e70c184-64ec-244e-4ec3-d0485d764527@thomas-guettler.de> Hi Mats, I maintain the wiki in our company since more than ten years. Wikis are great for creating and adding text. BUT: Who is responsible for deleting text? Most people dare to add something. But removing stuff gets avoided. I don't dare to remove anything on this page, too. Regards, Thomas G?ttler Am 18.11.19 um 15:03 schrieb Mats Wichmann: > On 11/18/19 6:51 AM, Thomas G?ttler wrote: >> Hi, >> >> this page is very outdated. It contains notes about Python 2.2 and Python 2.4. >> >> It would be very kind if this page could get updated: >> >> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#Profiling_Code > > there's some contract work going on to update the wiki for the new reality that Python 3 is the only suggested work. > Hopefully that will pick up part of this work, but if probably won't provide the kind of technical updating you're > asking for. > > the sort of generic response would be "it's a wiki, if you see a problem please make/propose changes".? I don't know if > you're in a position to help with that... > > -- Thomas Guettler http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ I am looking for feedback: https://github.com/guettli/programming-guidelines From mats at wichmann.us Mon Nov 18 09:56:26 2019 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:56:26 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated In-Reply-To: <7e70c184-64ec-244e-4ec3-d0485d764527@thomas-guettler.de> References: <0d75c240-09f8-7b7a-c2cc-e94cbe1d54bb@wichmann.us> <7e70c184-64ec-244e-4ec3-d0485d764527@thomas-guettler.de> Message-ID: <3e014b5f-a7a8-947a-90d3-34e448bee6d6@wichmann.us> On 11/18/19 7:46 AM, Thomas G?ttler wrote: > Hi Mats, > > I maintain the wiki in our company since more than ten years. > Wikis are great for creating and adding text. > BUT: Who is responsible for deleting text? > Most people dare to add something. > But removing stuff gets avoided. > I don't dare to remove anything on this page, too. > > Regards, > ? Thomas G?ttler it's how wikis organically grow stale... here's one approach that's been used recently on the Python wiki - remove a bunch of outdated stuff and leave a link to the version before the removal. For an example: https://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms see the very end where it says: These all run under Python 3. If you are interested in differences between Python 2 and Python 3, please take a look at the previous version of this page. which came from this sort of wiki markup: These all run under Python 3. If you are interested in differences between Python 2 and Python 3, please take a look at the [[https://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms?action=recall&rev=154|previous version of this page]]. From steve at holdenweb.com Mon Nov 18 10:38:16 2019 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:38:16 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Thomas, Thanks for your note. You are correct, the information is very outdated (and a lot of it possibly therefore completely inappropriate). The Wiki is a user-editable resource, and if you would like to join the editors team it's always good to have extra help. Just let us know your Wiki account name and we can arrange it. Unfortunately if nobody feels moved to make the edits they will remain unmade. As a fallback, I do know that the Python Software Foundation has commissioned a consulting organisation to handle transition from Python 2, and I know the Wiki content is being included in that review, so it seems unlikely the out-of-date version will remain for too much longer. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:58 PM Thomas G?ttler wrote: > Hi, > > this page is very outdated. It contains notes about Python 2.2 and Python > 2.4. > > It would be very kind if this page could get updated: > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#Profiling_Code > > Regards, > > Thomas G?ttler > > > > > -- > Thomas Guettler http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ > I am looking for feedback: https://github.com/guettli/programming-guidelines > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From guettliml at thomas-guettler.de Mon Nov 18 10:44:10 2019 From: guettliml at thomas-guettler.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Thomas_G=c3=bcttler?=) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:44:10 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ed431f2-9ce0-d5ed-b99c-b88979702058@thomas-guettler.de> Am 18.11.19 um 16:38 schrieb Steve Holden: > Hi?Thomas, > > Thanks for your note. You are correct, the information is very outdated (and a lot of it possibly therefore?completely > inappropriate). > > The Wiki is a user-editable resource, and if you would like to join the editors team it's always good to have?extra > help. Just let us know your Wiki account name and we can arrange?it. > > Unfortunately if nobody feels moved to make the edits they will remain unmade. > > As a fallback, I do know that the Python?Software Foundation has commissioned a consulting organisation to handle > transition from Python 2, and I know the Wiki content is being included in that review, so it seems unlikely the > out-of-date version will remain for too much?longer. That's very good a solution I like. My spare time is very expensive. I will do a financial donation to support Python. -- Thomas Guettler http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ I am looking for feedback: https://github.com/guettli/programming-guidelines From steve at holdenweb.com Mon Nov 18 12:51:07 2019 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:51:07 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated In-Reply-To: <4ed431f2-9ce0-d5ed-b99c-b88979702058@thomas-guettler.de> References: <4ed431f2-9ce0-d5ed-b99c-b88979702058@thomas-guettler.de> Message-ID: Good man. Thanks very much for your willingness to help. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:44 PM Thomas G?ttler wrote: > > > Am 18.11.19 um 16:38 schrieb Steve Holden: > > Hi Thomas, > > > > Thanks for your note. You are correct, the information is very outdated > (and a lot of it possibly therefore completely > > inappropriate). > > > > The Wiki is a user-editable resource, and if you would like to join the > editors team it's always good to have extra > > help. Just let us know your Wiki account name and we can arrange it. > > > > Unfortunately if nobody feels moved to make the edits they will remain > unmade. > > > > As a fallback, I do know that the Python Software Foundation has > commissioned a consulting organisation to handle > > transition from Python 2, and I know the Wiki content is being included > in that review, so it seems unlikely the > > out-of-date version will remain for too much longer. > > That's very good a solution I like. My spare time is very expensive. I > will do a financial donation to support > Python. > > > -- > Thomas Guettler http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ > I am looking for feedback: > https://github.com/guettli/programming-guidelines > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at pycon.or.tz Mon Nov 25 06:50:46 2019 From: noah at pycon.or.tz (Noah .) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:50:46 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyCon Tanzania - 10th - 11th December 2019 Message-ID: Hi Team Pleased to inform that we are organizing a Python conference in Tanzania and the meeting will take place from 10th - 11th December 2019 in Dar es salaam, Tanzania. Please add the following event: * name of the event: PyCon Tanzania * type of event: * focus on Python: Python Conference * approximate number of attendees: 100 * location (incl. country): Tanzania * dates/times/recurrence (incl. time zone): 10th - 11th December 2019 / 06:00GMT - 14:00GMT / Annually * HTML link using the format PyCon Tanzania: Thank you so much. Cheers, Noah Community Moderator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mats at wichmann.us Wed Nov 27 10:46:52 2019 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:46:52 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] wiki: unicode decode error Message-ID: <53439770-19a1-2da5-0e47-5aa4109b2f03@wichmann.us> if someone feels like putting in some wiki time.... this page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/UnicodeDecodeError is a prominent hit in search engines. It's written from a Python 2 perspective, with just a single line down at the bottom saying "Python 3000 will prohibit encoding of bytes...". That message has become the bane of both people rushing to do Py3 conversions, and new programmers, who read from files, sockets, processes, etc. and don't notice/realize they're getting bytes. sure could use a helpful treatment for today's reality... at the moment I can't put in the time to figure out how to explain strings, bytes, unicode in Py3, but I know there are other resources that do so quite well, I wonder if a pointer to a few would be a starting point?