From paul at boddie.org.uk Mon Jun 10 15:15:20 2013 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:15:20 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <514C3E29.90808@egenix.com> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <20130320073014.1eb334e0@anarchist> <514C3E29.90808@egenix.com> Message-ID: <201306101515.20531.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Friday 22 March 2013 12:19:05 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 20.03.2013 15:30, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2013, at 10:08 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> If we can't get things under control, we will have to start > >> using such a group and disable public editing of pages :-( > > > > FWIW, we've long had this policy on the Mailman wiki. It was the only > > successful way to control spam. Sign up is open (and yes, we > > occasionally have to delete profile spam), but folks have to email the > > mailman-cabal to request write/edit access. We don't get a lot of such > > requests, so the process is quite manageable, and we get almost zero spam > > now. > > Did this have an effect on the number of editors of the wiki ? > > The usual complaint when doing this is that you prevent quick > edits (e.g. typo corrections) by raising the bar in this way. > > After the recent updates to the textchas, the profile spam > has apparently stopped: > > http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges That no longer seems to be the case. I am also having to remove these stupid profile spams from the Python Wiki two or more times per day. > So perhaps making the textchas a little more complicated and also > starting a process to accept people to the trusted editor group > would solve the problem. It would be nice to know which textchas the spammers managed to solve, but again I recommend non-trivial challenge questions. The MoinMoin Wiki doesn't suffer from this. Paul P.S. I'm willing to work on more advanced anti-spam measures, but only if they get used. From mal at egenix.com Mon Jun 10 16:44:27 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:44:27 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <201306101515.20531.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <20130320073014.1eb334e0@anarchist> <514C3E29.90808@egenix.com> <201306101515.20531.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <51B5E64B.9010707@egenix.com> On 10.06.2013 15:15, Paul Boddie wrote: > On Friday 22 March 2013 12:19:05 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> On 20.03.2013 15:30, Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> On Mar 20, 2013, at 10:08 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>> If we can't get things under control, we will have to start >>>> using such a group and disable public editing of pages :-( >>> >>> FWIW, we've long had this policy on the Mailman wiki. It was the only >>> successful way to control spam. Sign up is open (and yes, we >>> occasionally have to delete profile spam), but folks have to email the >>> mailman-cabal to request write/edit access. We don't get a lot of such >>> requests, so the process is quite manageable, and we get almost zero spam >>> now. >> >> Did this have an effect on the number of editors of the wiki ? >> >> The usual complaint when doing this is that you prevent quick >> edits (e.g. typo corrections) by raising the bar in this way. >> >> After the recent updates to the textchas, the profile spam >> has apparently stopped: >> >> http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges > > That no longer seems to be the case. I am also having to remove these stupid > profile spams from the Python Wiki two or more times per day. > >> So perhaps making the textchas a little more complicated and also >> starting a process to accept people to the trusted editor group >> would solve the problem. > > It would be nice to know which textchas the spammers managed to solve, but > again I recommend non-trivial challenge questions. The MoinMoin Wiki doesn't > suffer from this. Even though it may seem not to help as well as before, the TextChas still prevent lots of attempts. The logs are full of TextCha failures. The ratio of success to failures in the current log file (which was started yesterday at 6am UTC) is 16:9677 (!) > P.S. I'm willing to work on more advanced anti-spam measures, but only if they > get used. In the long run, this would be a good solution. I'd certainly be willing to add such a solution to the wiki setup. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jun 10 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2013-07-01: EuroPython 2013, Florence, Italy ... 21 days to go 2013-07-16: Python Meeting Duesseldorf ... 36 days to go ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From paul at boddie.org.uk Mon Jun 10 16:58:57 2013 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:58:57 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <51B5E64B.9010707@egenix.com> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <201306101515.20531.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51B5E64B.9010707@egenix.com> Message-ID: <201306101658.57280.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Monday 10 June 2013 16:44:27 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > Even though it may seem not to help as well as before, > the TextChas still prevent lots of attempts. The logs are > full of TextCha failures. > > The ratio of success to failures in the current log file > (which was started yesterday at 6am UTC) is 16:9677 (!) Impressive! > > P.S. I'm willing to work on more advanced anti-spam measures, but only if > > they get used. > > In the long run, this would be a good solution. I'd certainly > be willing to add such a solution to the wiki setup. I can think of one useful one straight away, but I don't think it is supported in Moin (or any extensions) yet. What I'd like you to tell me, if you don't mind, is the request sequence of any of the successful spam edits. Various other publishing systems provide some measures that use this information, and I'll develop one for Moin if it seems viable. By all means send me the request details in private. Thanks, Paul From michael at voidspace.org.uk Tue Jun 11 11:37:01 2013 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:37:01 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: News Entry request References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: Alan Franzoni > Subject: News Entry request > Date: 11 June 2013 10:31:47 BST > To: webmaster at python.org > > Hello, > we'd like to publish a news entry for the EP2014/EP2015 conference team CFP. > > Something like: > > Europython 2014/2015 Conference Team Call for Proposals > > and a link to: > > https://ep2013.europython.eu/blog/2013/05/15/epc20145-call-proposals > > > Thanks! > > Alan -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at voidspace.org.uk Wed Jun 12 11:28:57 2013 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:28:57 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Bad Link on Wiki Page References: <1414094.T0k8AbSTiz@spica> Message-ID: <048C3843-9D2F-421A-AB0D-A84C731B19FC@voidspace.org.uk> Begin forwarded message: > From: Markus Ketterl > Subject: Bad Link on Wiki Page > Date: 12 June 2013 10:22:54 BST > To: webmaster at python.org > > Hi Webmaster, > > on the site http://www.python.org/about/apps/ in section "Game and 3D > Graphics" is a link to "pyraka" => http://www.alobbs.com/pykyra but this > doesn't point to a gaming framework, it points to a polish porn site. I think > that's wrong. > > br markus > > -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From mal at python.org Wed Jun 12 12:02:07 2013 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:02:07 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Bad Link on Wiki Page In-Reply-To: <048C3843-9D2F-421A-AB0D-A84C731B19FC@voidspace.org.uk> References: <1414094.T0k8AbSTiz@spica> <048C3843-9D2F-421A-AB0D-A84C731B19FC@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <51B8471F.5060507@python.org> Fixed. On 12.06.2013 11:28, Michael Foord wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Markus Ketterl >> Subject: Bad Link on Wiki Page >> Date: 12 June 2013 10:22:54 BST >> To: webmaster at python.org >> >> Hi Webmaster, >> >> on the site http://www.python.org/about/apps/ in section "Game and 3D >> Graphics" is a link to "pyraka" => http://www.alobbs.com/pykyra but this >> doesn't point to a gaming framework, it points to a polish porn site. I think >> that's wrong. >> >> br markus >> >> > > > -- > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ > > > May you do good and not evil > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others > May you share freely, never taking more than you give. > -- the sqlite blessing > http://www.sqlite.org/different.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Director Python Software Foundation http://www.python.org/psf/ From noah at coderanger.net Fri Jun 14 09:03:37 2013 From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:03:37 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Looking for some volunteers Message-ID: As we transition in to PyCon 2014, I would like to get the 2012 and 2013 sites archived to static HTML. I'm looking for a few volunteers to work with me on this project. httrack can handle the bulk of the work, but if anyone would like to help out building the scraper config and getting the final HTML cleaned up and ready, it would help me out a lot. If you are interested, please respond to me off list. --Noah -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See the individual releases for details. > > You may also wish to download Win32all, Mark Hammond's add-on that includes the Win32 API, COM support, and Pythonwin extensions. It's available from the pywin32 project on SourceForge. > > ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ > However, may I emphasize, again, that use of the term ?win32all? for the product is years obsolete. When you next have an opportunity to update this page, you might want to change that term to ?pywin32?. Also, to prevent confusion, you could mention that ?pywin32? is also used on 64 bit versions of Windows. > -- > Vernon Cole > -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mal at egenix.com Tue Jun 25 14:09:17 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:09:17 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Please cease using obsolete name "Win32all" In-Reply-To: <4A682FEA-A326-4CE1-9447-EC11FDF52902@voidspace.org.uk> References: <4A682FEA-A326-4CE1-9447-EC11FDF52902@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <51C9886D.5030902@egenix.com> On 25.06.2013 13:25, Michael Foord wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Vernon Cole >> Subject: Please cease using obsolete name "Win32all" >> Date: 25 June 2013 09:44:57 BST >> To: "webmaster at python.org" >> >> Dear Webmaster: >> >> As one of the maintainers of the pywin32 project, I would personally like to thank you for the excellent recommendation you provide for our project on the Windows Python download page: >> v v v v v >> Python for Microsoft Windows (XP and later releases) >> Python releases include an excellent Windows installer. See the individual releases for details. >> >> You may also wish to download Win32all, Mark Hammond's add-on that includes the Win32 API, COM support, and Pythonwin extensions. It's available from the pywin32 project on SourceForge. >> >> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ >> However, may I emphasize, again, that use of the term ?win32all? for the product is years obsolete. When you next have an opportunity to update this page, you might want to change that term to ?pywin32?. Also, to prevent confusion, you could mention that ?pywin32? is also used on 64 bit versions of Windows. I've fixed all references as far back as Python 2.4, including a few old links to http://www.python.org/windows/win32all which no longer work. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jun 25 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2013-06-18: Released mxODBC Django DE 1.2.0 ... http://egenix.com/go47 2013-07-01: EuroPython 2013, Florence, Italy ... 6 days to go 2013-07-16: Python Meeting Duesseldorf ... 21 days to go eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From michael at voidspace.org.uk Tue Jun 25 15:23:04 2013 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:23:04 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Please cease using obsolete name "Win32all" In-Reply-To: <51C9886D.5030902@egenix.com> References: <4A682FEA-A326-4CE1-9447-EC11FDF52902@voidspace.org.uk> <51C9886D.5030902@egenix.com> Message-ID: On 25 Jun 2013, at 13:09, "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > On 25.06.2013 13:25, Michael Foord wrote: >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Vernon Cole >>> Subject: Please cease using obsolete name "Win32all" >>> Date: 25 June 2013 09:44:57 BST >>> To: "webmaster at python.org" >>> >>> Dear Webmaster: >>> >>> As one of the maintainers of the pywin32 project, I would personally like to thank you for the excellent recommendation you provide for our project on the Windows Python download page: >>> v v v v v >>> Python for Microsoft Windows (XP and later releases) >>> Python releases include an excellent Windows installer. See the individual releases for details. >>> >>> You may also wish to download Win32all, Mark Hammond's add-on that includes the Win32 API, COM support, and Pythonwin extensions. It's available from the pywin32 project on SourceForge. >>> >>> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ > > >>> However, may I emphasize, again, that use of the term ?win32all? for the product is years obsolete. When you next have an opportunity to update this page, you might want to change that term to ?pywin32?. Also, to prevent confusion, you could mention that ?pywin32? is also used on 64 bit versions of Windows. > > I've fixed all references as far back as Python 2.4, including > a few old links to http://www.python.org/windows/win32all which > no longer work. Thanks Marc! > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jun 25 2013) >>>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > 2013-06-18: Released mxODBC Django DE 1.2.0 ... http://egenix.com/go47 > 2013-07-01: EuroPython 2013, Florence, Italy ... 6 days to go > 2013-07-16: Python Meeting Duesseldorf ... 21 days to go > > eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg > Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 > http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html