From pkropf at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 06:43:07 2006 From: pkropf at gmail.com (Peter Kropf) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:43:07 -0700 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] Job Posting Address Message-ID: Hi Folks - I have a question about emails sent to jobs at python.org. It seems that they can sometimes take a really long time to be delivered. For example, there were two messages that were sent 5 days ago which were only delivered this evening. This could be my mail server (gmail.com) but I tend to suspect that it's more likely that they're being held up somewhere else. Can anyone enlighten me as to what happens when a message is sent to jobs at python.org? Thanks! - Peter From fdrake at acm.org Wed Jul 12 07:09:14 2006 From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred L. Drake, Jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:09:14 -0400 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Job Posting Address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200607120109.14609.fdrake@acm.org> On Wednesday 12 July 2006 00:43, Peter Kropf wrote: > I have a question about emails sent to jobs at python.org. It seems that > they can sometimes take a really long time to be delivered. For > example, there were two messages that were sent 5 days ago which were jobs at python.org is directed to the pydotorg list. pydotorg does not accept email from non-members. All of the job postings have to go through moderation. A number of us try to keep this flowing, but the essential problem is that we have a public address that doesn't accept all mail. I don't know what the list settings are for pydotorg-www, but we should end up with a configuration that allows mail to jobs to always come through. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. From skip at pobox.com Wed Jul 12 13:09:24 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:09:24 -0500 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Job Posting Address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17588.55396.708961.436532@montanaro.dyndns.org> Peter> I have a question about emails sent to jobs at python.org. It seems Peter> that they can sometimes take a really long time to be Peter> delivered. For example, there were two messages that were sent 5 Peter> days ago which were only delivered this evening. This could be my Peter> mail server (gmail.com) but I tend to suspect that it's more Peter> likely that they're being held up somewhere else. Can anyone Peter> enlighten me as to what happens when a message is sent to Peter> jobs at python.org? Peter, Mails sent to jobs at python.org are forwarded to pydotorg, which is a subscriber-only address. Accordinging, almost all jobs mail is thus held for moderator approval. If the moderators are looking the other way at the time (there are three of us), then the message can languish. Skip From mj at python.org Wed Jul 12 13:15:38 2006 From: mj at python.org (Martijn Pieters) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:15:38 +0200 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Job Posting Address In-Reply-To: <17588.55396.708961.436532@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17588.55396.708961.436532@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <44B4D9DA.5080301@python.org> skip at pobox.com wrote: > Mails sent to jobs at python.org are forwarded to pydotorg, which is a > subscriber-only address. Accordinging, almost all jobs mail is thus held > for moderator approval. If the moderators are looking the other way at the > time (there are three of us), then the message can languish. Would an additional volunteer help? I'll chip in if so. Martijn Pieters From barry at python.org Wed Jul 12 18:18:43 2006 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Job Posting Address In-Reply-To: <1152720015.8375.8.camel@localhost> References: <200607120109.14609.fdrake@acm.org> <1152720015.8375.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <029770DD-2DA7-424A-9DA1-8499D6B62A45@python.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 12, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Johannes Gijsbers wrote: > Currently the list has the default of holding any non-member posts for > moderation. I can't seem to find any mailman option which would > automatically accept messages based on a "To:" address. Does anyone > know > whether this is possible? Sorry, nope, not currently possible. > And a somewhat related question for the current pydotorg list > admins: is > jobs at python.org set in acceptable_aliases? Do I need to do that if we > move jobs at python.org to pydotorg-www? It is, but I don't know if that's a recent addition or not. You probably should set that if you end up forward jobs@ to a new mailing list. - -Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRLUg7HEjvBPtnXfVAQI9JwP/QUXMiuMgrgjpGyKlKSvGLvONsdeNFo7T u8S/ff+sv7bKpiJncwjfTmHzEK7boqbm8eO0BPl5J35Z9wM3C4o8ICPWu2XzX3pT pvsq0PnTkOvLmi2A4r+FGO50miPhTNH4IVVw90WNulAoNsMaZ/fbCexHuAtSyg7E RkQJPAT6pcI= =4zZi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From johannes at dds.nl Wed Jul 12 18:00:14 2006 From: johannes at dds.nl (Johannes Gijsbers) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:00:14 +0200 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Job Posting Address In-Reply-To: <200607120109.14609.fdrake@acm.org> References: <200607120109.14609.fdrake@acm.org> Message-ID: <1152720015.8375.8.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 01:09 -0400, Fred L. Drake, Jr. wrote: > jobs at python.org is directed to the pydotorg list. pydotorg does not accept > email from non-members. All of the job postings have to go through > moderation. A number of us try to keep this flowing, but the essential > problem is that we have a public address that doesn't accept all mail. > > I don't know what the list settings are for pydotorg-www, but we should end up > with a configuration that allows mail to jobs to always come through. Currently the list has the default of holding any non-member posts for moderation. I can't seem to find any mailman option which would automatically accept messages based on a "To:" address. Does anyone know whether this is possible? And a somewhat related question for the current pydotorg list admins: is jobs at python.org set in acceptable_aliases? Do I need to do that if we move jobs at python.org to pydotorg-www? Johannes From pkropf at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 00:12:01 2006 From: pkropf at gmail.com (Peter Kropf) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:12:01 -0700 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Job Posting Address In-Reply-To: <17588.55396.708961.436532@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17588.55396.708961.436532@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, skip at pobox.com wrote: > Mails sent to jobs at python.org are forwarded to pydotorg, which is a > subscriber-only address. Accordinging, almost all jobs mail is thus held > for moderator approval. If the moderators are looking the other way at the > time (there are three of us), then the message can languish. I'd be willing to help take some of the load of reviewing messages to lists. And this is just yet another reason for me to get working on an automated job submission interface for python.org. - Peter From pkropf at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 18:30:25 2006 From: pkropf at gmail.com (Peter Kropf) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:30:25 -0700 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] Problems w/ python.org Message-ID: I wandered over to http://python.org and found a directory listing instead of the regular web site. Anyone know what's going on? - Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: python.org.png Type: image/png Size: 88012 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pydotorg-www/attachments/20060721/9ff77552/attachment-0001.png From amk at amk.ca Fri Jul 21 18:38:27 2006 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:38:27 -0400 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Problems w/ python.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060721163827.GA12703@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 09:30:25AM -0700, Peter Kropf wrote: > I wandered over to http://python.org and found a directory listing > instead of the regular web site. Anyone know what's going on? Fixed, by re-running the installwatch script, but I don't know what happened. --amk From nnorwitz at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 20:28:47 2006 From: nnorwitz at gmail.com (Neal Norwitz) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:28:47 -0700 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Problems w/ python.org In-Reply-To: <20060721163827.GA12703@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060721163827.GA12703@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 7/21/06, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 09:30:25AM -0700, Peter Kropf wrote: > > I wandered over to http://python.org and found a directory listing > > instead of the regular web site. Anyone know what's going on? > > Fixed, by re-running the installwatch script, but I don't know what > happened. I don't think this is related, but ... I modified the apache config script to add community buildbot redirects. I restarted apache, but that was 1.5 days ago now. I'm pretty sure I verified the home page came up. I definitely verified all the redirects I added. There was one problem and I haven't checked in the changes yet as I'm not quite done. I hope to get to finish everything this weekend. n From johannes at dds.nl Fri Jul 21 23:57:19 2006 From: johannes at dds.nl (Johannes Gijsbers) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:57:19 +0200 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] [Pydotorg-checkins] r9943 - trunk/beta.python.org/build In-Reply-To: <1153518120.5997.2.camel@localhost> References: <20060712172028.405761E4005@bag.python.org> <4335d2c40607201149l2d9e0b29rcca1e0755a6c3d94@mail.gmail.com> <1153427964.5962.4.camel@localhost> <4335d2c40607201427g4095b846q1d027b7f93a29d7c@mail.gmail.com> <1153518120.5997.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1153519039.6197.1.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 23:42 +0200, Johannes Gijsbers wrote: > Indeed, you're right. I hadn't even considered that. I'm currently > looking at not using the needUnicode argument altogether, because > BeautifulSoup automatically outputs unicode if all the data put into it > is using Unicode. Will let you know later. It doesn't seem to be a problem to remove the unicode argument. BeautifulSoup is outputting the unicode type anyway. Tim, any objections? Would it be okay to have these discussions on pydotorg-www from now on? Johannes From tim at pollenation.net Sat Jul 22 11:53:02 2006 From: tim at pollenation.net (Tim Parkin) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:53:02 +0100 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] [Pydotorg-checkins] r9943 - trunk/beta.python.org/build In-Reply-To: <1153519039.6197.1.camel@localhost> References: <20060712172028.405761E4005@bag.python.org> <4335d2c40607201149l2d9e0b29rcca1e0755a6c3d94@mail.gmail.com> <1153427964.5962.4.camel@localhost> <4335d2c40607201427g4095b846q1d027b7f93a29d7c@mail.gmail.com> <1153518120.5997.2.camel@localhost> <1153519039.6197.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44C1F57E.4050507@pollenation.net> Johannes Gijsbers wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 23:42 +0200, Johannes Gijsbers wrote: >> Indeed, you're right. I hadn't even considered that. I'm currently >> looking at not using the needUnicode argument altogether, because >> BeautifulSoup automatically outputs unicode if all the data put into it >> is using Unicode. Will let you know later. > > It doesn't seem to be a problem to remove the unicode argument. > BeautifulSoup is outputting the unicode type anyway. Tim, any > objections? > I don't think so... It solved a problem at the time because utf8 wasn't being handled correctly.. It sounds like BS is a little more forgiveing now. It's probably worth checking on a page with lots of umlauts, cedillas, graves, acutes, etc just to ensure we're not getting any cross-encoding errors. If that works fine then it should be OK. Tim From nnorwitz at gmail.com Sat Jul 22 18:51:48 2006 From: nnorwitz at gmail.com (Neal Norwitz) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:51:48 -0700 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Problems w/ python.org In-Reply-To: <20060721163827.GA12703@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060721163827.GA12703@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: We're having the same problem again. How do you run installwatch? Is it documented anywhere? n -- On 7/21/06, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 09:30:25AM -0700, Peter Kropf wrote: > > I wandered over to http://python.org and found a directory listing > > instead of the regular web site. Anyone know what's going on? > > Fixed, by re-running the installwatch script, but I don't know what > happened. > > --amk > > _______________________________________________ > Pydotorg mailing list > Pydotorg at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg > From nnorwitz at gmail.com Sat Jul 22 18:57:00 2006 From: nnorwitz at gmail.com (Neal Norwitz) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Problems w/ python.org In-Reply-To: References: <20060721163827.GA12703@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I dug around a bit more and found it in /data/website-build/build/scripts/post-commit-svnup.py Here's the command I executed as root. Hope it was right: cd /data/website-build/build ./scripts/installwatch.py -f out -t /data/ftp.python.org/pub/www.python.org -l installwatch.log The home page is back. n -- On 7/21/06, Neal Norwitz wrote: > On 7/21/06, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 09:30:25AM -0700, Peter Kropf wrote: > > > I wandered over to http://python.org and found a directory listing > > > instead of the regular web site. Anyone know what's going on? > > > > Fixed, by re-running the installwatch script, but I don't know what > > happened. > > I don't think this is related, but ... > > I modified the apache config script to add community buildbot > redirects. I restarted apache, but that was 1.5 days ago now. I'm > pretty sure I verified the home page came up. I definitely verified > all the redirects I added. > > There was one problem and I haven't checked in the changes yet as I'm > not quite done. I hope to get to finish everything this weekend. > > n > From pkropf at gmail.com Sat Jul 22 20:14:13 2006 From: pkropf at gmail.com (Peter Kropf) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:14:13 -0700 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Problems w/ python.org In-Reply-To: References: <20060721163827.GA12703@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Well, there seems to be a pattern here. I submitted new job postings yesterday and the site had problems. And again this morning I submitted a new job posting. Anyone know how we can check if they're related? Or is this problem with any site changes? - Peter On 7/22/06, Neal Norwitz wrote: > I dug around a bit more and found it in > /data/website-build/build/scripts/post-commit-svnup.py > > Here's the command I executed as root. Hope it was right: > > cd /data/website-build/build > ./scripts/installwatch.py -f out -t > /data/ftp.python.org/pub/www.python.org -l installwatch.log > > The home page is back. > > n > -- > > On 7/21/06, Neal Norwitz wrote: > > On 7/21/06, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 09:30:25AM -0700, Peter Kropf wrote: > > > > I wandered over to http://python.org and found a directory listing > > > > instead of the regular web site. Anyone know what's going on? > > > > > > Fixed, by re-running the installwatch script, but I don't know what > > > happened. > > > > I don't think this is related, but ... > > > > I modified the apache config script to add community buildbot > > redirects. I restarted apache, but that was 1.5 days ago now. I'm > > pretty sure I verified the home page came up. I definitely verified > > all the redirects I added. > > > > There was one problem and I haven't checked in the changes yet as I'm > > not quite done. I hope to get to finish everything this weekend. > > > > n > > > _______________________________________________ > Pydotorg mailing list > Pydotorg at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg > From pkropf at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 17:32:06 2006 From: pkropf at gmail.com (Peter Kropf) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:32:06 -0700 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] Site not rebuilding Message-ID: Hi - Anyone know why the site is no longer rebuilding when changes are submitted to SVN? I added a new job posting yesterday and submitted another change this morning, neither seem to have cause the site to rebuild. Can anyone with sufficient access take a look? - Peter From tim at pollenation.net Mon Jul 24 19:27:04 2006 From: tim at pollenation.net (Tim Parkin) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:27:04 +0100 Subject: [Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] Site not rebuilding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C502E8.8090106@pollenation.net> Peter Kropf wrote: > Hi - > > Anyone know why the site is no longer rebuilding when changes are > submitted to SVN? I added a new job posting yesterday and submitted > another change this morning, neither seem to have cause the site to > rebuild. Can anyone with sufficient access take a look? > > - Peter > _______________________________________________ > Pydotorg mailing list > Pydotorg at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg http://www.python.org/status/postcommitlog.txt Looks like permission problems but I can't see what has changed? Has anyone changed anything recently that would affect permissions? Tim