[Pycon-se] New mailing list, meeting?

[Tome Cvitan]

That’s more than a few öre. Awesome input, Jyrki!

Is it just me, or is it annoying that the default reply-to address for the
list isn’t the list itself? :)

/Tome


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Jyrki Pulliainen <jyrki at spotify.com>wrote:

> Here's some of my takes on the subjects below:
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Fredrik Håård <fredrik at haard.se> wrote:
>
>> Great idea; also on setting the scope.
>> To start the discussion right away, I think there are two or three
>> different kinds of 'scope' to determine:
>>
>> A) target size of the conference in attendants (80, 150, 250?)
>>
>
> Given the size of the Stockholm Python community and the fact that we can
> have 100+ people meetups easily, I'd aim for maybe 200-250 people
> conference. 250 is also usually an amount of people that is somewhat easy
> to fit somewhere, whether it's a commercial venue or university lecture
> halls and it isn't too big crowd to start with. First time organizing is
> usually the most hassle, so better not to aim too high at the beginning
>
>
>> B) size of the program - length, number of tracks, tutorials, sprints
>>
>
> First event should be a kick-ass, memorable one, to make it boost the
> organizing next year's event. What I mean by this that we should aim for
> high quality speakers for the first event and if we throw a good conference
> on the first year, it's easier to lure in people next year via call for
> proposals etc. There's nothing stopping us setting up a call for proposal
> for the first year either, but picking out good speakers of CFPs is hard,
> inviting the good ones you know directly is easier.
>
> That said, we should probably live some room for new speakers / not so
> veteran ones, to serve the community to provide people a place to hone
> their speaking skills!
>
> C) budget - number of sponsors, venue, dinner etc
>>
>
> For reference, the revenue of PyCon Finland 2012 was ~12 000 euros. We
> made some profit though, even though we didn't budget for that (~1000
> euros). The conference was budgeted to break even given that we wouldn't
> get a lot of sponsors.
>
> This included:
> - University venue (free of charge)
> - 150 attendees, out of which part were students with cheap tickets and
> orgs + volunteers + sponsor reps + speakers who didn't pay for attendance.
> "Normal" tickets were divided in two, a cheaper one for individual and a
> more expensive for those paid by their company, to cover the costs of the
> cheaper ones.
> - 2x Coffee breaks, 2x lunch
> - Conference dinner for non-students (107 people)
>
> We had six sponsors, who totalled to around 1700 euros of sponsorship fees.
> Conference took place in Aalto University, Espoo, near Helsinki. Pulling a
> conference in Stockholm is probably more expensive than in the outskirts of
> Helsinki :)
>
> That said, to gather sponsorship money, avoid some taxation hassle
> (disclaimer: at least in Finland) and to overall seem out less fishy, a
> non-profit organization should probably be created to handle the
> legislative parts and money of a conference. First year to PyCon Finland we
> ran everything through a company and paying sponsorships between companies
> became a big no-no, leaving us with zero sponsor money for the first year.
>
> So, there be my few öres on the topic :)
>
> - Jyrki
>
> A larger conference in any of those means more work in one way or
>> another, although it may also mean a more awesome conference =)
>>
>> From the national PyCons I've been to so far, I think PyCon UK last
>> year did it about right - decent amount of people, a few tracks, and a
>> university venue close to a number of different hotels. It might be
>> that we should shoot for something smaller to begin with though - I
>> really don't have the experience to tell what would be a good size for
>> a first instance of a national PyCon.
>>
>> /fredrik
>>
>> 2013/7/16 Tome Cvitan <tome at cvitan.com>:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Great initiative, as I mentioned to Fredrik I have been thinking about a
>> > Swedish PyCon more and more as the pysthlm group has grown to 600+
>> members
>> > in the last year.
>> >
>> > Let’s try to set up that first meeting - I’ve made a Doodle with some
>> > suggestions in August: http://doodle.com/v68bn4xmk6ad6v7s
>> >
>> > In order to keep things simple we could just set up a Google Hangout
>> session
>> > and everyone can join individually, it works pretty well and you get to
>> see
>> > everyones face. This presuming that we are maximum 10 people, otherwise
>> we
>> > will need to find another solution.
>> >
>> > The first order of business should perhaps be to align our expectations
>> -
>> > someone might be thinking about a free 1 day conference at a university,
>> > another about a 2 day conference in a nice venue with high profile
>> speakers
>> > from the python community, lunches, dinners, parties and what not. Each
>> of
>> > those is great but obviously requires a completely different level of
>> > effort, possibly financial risk, etc.
>> >
>> > Either way I am very excited about gathering a group and actually do
>> this!
>> > :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Tome
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Fredrik Håård <fredrik at haard.se>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Since I realized keeping the discussion on two meetup mailing lists
>> >> (they prevent convenient crossposting), I thought it best to register
>> >> a dedicated mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> Please invite anyone you think should be on the list; and tell me if
>> >> I'm doing Mailman wrong, it's been a while since I administrated a
>> >> mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> A meeting via video and/or in Stockholm has been suggested in August,
>> >> and I think that would be a good idea; I'll be able to make it at
>> >> least once early-mid August - maybe setting a date and one location in
>> >> Stockholm and another in Göteborg would be a good first step?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Fredrik Håård
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