From tbryan at python.net Mon Jan 6 01:29:14 2003 From: tbryan at python.net (Tom Bryan) Date: Sun Jan 5 23:54:36 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Am I missing all of the discussion? Message-ID: <200301060129.14403.tbryan@python.net> I'm pretty excited about the conference, but I'm not seeing the level of community response (checked the Wiki, this list's archives) that I expected. Am I just looking in the wrong places? Are there a lot of Pythonistas planning to attend, but they're all being quiet an secretive about it? ---Tom From geoff at knauth.org Mon Jan 6 00:06:00 2003 From: geoff at knauth.org (Geoffrey Knauth) Date: Mon Jan 6 00:05:41 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Am I missing all of the discussion? In-Reply-To: <200301060129.14403.tbryan@python.net> Message-ID: <8C322125-2134-11D7-9E32-0003939EFE88@knauth.org> I'm thinking of attending. I'm also weighing whether I'll be able to finish an experiment (rewriting an increasingly hard-to-maintain C application in Python) in time for the abstract submission deadline. At the moment, I'm busy doing a different set of experiments in JScheme that have immediate practical use to the project I'm working on. Longer term, I'm exploring whether portions of a set of applications should be rewritten in Python. Geoff On Sunday, Jan 5, 2003, at 15:29 US/Eastern, Tom Bryan wrote: > I'm pretty excited about the conference, but I'm not seeing the level > of > community response (checked the Wiki, this list's archives) that I > expected. > Am I just looking in the wrong places? Are there a lot of Pythonistas > planning to attend, but they're all being quiet an secretive about it? > > ---Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > Pycon-interest mailing list > Pycon-interest@mail.python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-interest > From tlilley+pycon-interest at perspex.com Mon Jan 6 00:20:28 2003 From: tlilley+pycon-interest at perspex.com (Tripp Lilley) Date: Mon Jan 6 00:19:56 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Am I missing all of the discussion? In-Reply-To: <8C322125-2134-11D7-9E32-0003939EFE88@knauth.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Geoffrey Knauth wrote: > I'm thinking of attending. I'm also weighing whether I'll be able to > finish an experiment (rewriting an increasingly hard-to-maintain C > application in Python) in time for the abstract submission deadline. > At the moment, I'm busy doing a different set of experiments in JScheme > that have immediate practical use to the project I'm working on. > Longer term, I'm exploring whether portions of a set of applications > should be rewritten in Python. a) keep in mind that the abstract submission deadline is just the deadline for the abstract :) (that is, "what I'm gonna write") b) even if you're not finished with the project in time for the actual paper submission deadline, reporting on your progress so far, and your reactions, findings, etc. would still be welcome. c) if you finish after the final paper submission deadline, I'm going to bet you could add ad-hoc notes about your final results and no one would complain. The proceedings are only going to be available on the web, so it's not like there's an errata publishing issue :) From shane at zope.com Sat Jan 11 11:26:18 2003 From: shane at zope.com (Shane Hathaway) Date: Sat Jan 11 11:27:19 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Object-relational mapping tutorial Message-ID: I'd like to run a tutorial on the new object-relational mapping framework in the AdaptableStorage Zope product. I presented a paper on AdaptableStorage at OSCON last July, and it went over well, but the software wasn't ready to use at the time. Now the project has matured enough that people can start building their own object-relational mappings. The feature that sets this O/R mapping framework apart from others is that it integrates well with ZODB. Developers can take advantage of quick development with an object-oriented database and later switch their application to store in a relational database or any other data store. I believe this framework, used with ZODB, addresses the need to separate storage details from the application itself. I'd like to teach the attendees how to use the framework, along with ZODB, in their own projects. A tutorial setting would give me a better opportunity to interact with attendees than a talk would. I've never given a tutorial at a conference before, but I've presented papers before and I have teaching experience. By the way, the conference sounds very exciting, regardless of the number of attendees. There are so many good things happening in the world of Python, and it will be a great chance to talk with Pythonistas from all over. Shane From sholden at holdenweb.com Sun Jan 12 11:06:01 2003 From: sholden at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Sun Jan 12 11:09:56 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Object-relational mapping tutorial References: Message-ID: <00e101c2ba54$81796130$6300000a@holdenweb.com> [Shane Hathaway] > I'd like to run a tutorial on the new object-relational mapping framework > in the AdaptableStorage Zope product. I presented a paper on > AdaptableStorage at OSCON last July, and it went over well, but the > software wasn't ready to use at the time. Now the project has matured > enough that people can start building their own object-relational > mappings. > > The feature that sets this O/R mapping framework apart from others is that > it integrates well with ZODB. Developers can take advantage of quick > development with an object-oriented database and later switch their > application to store in a relational database or any other data store. I > believe this framework, used with ZODB, addresses the need to separate > storage details from the application itself. > > I'd like to teach the attendees how to use the framework, along with ZODB, > in their own projects. A tutorial setting would give me a better > opportunity to interact with attendees than a talk would. I've never > given a tutorial at a conference before, but I've presented papers before > and I have teaching experience. > > By the way, the conference sounds very exciting, regardless of the number > of attendees. There are so many good things happening in the world of > Python, and it will be a great chance to talk with Pythonistas > from all over. > Shane: Such a presentation would be very welcome. It will be particularly that the presentation isn'tZope-specific, since object-relational mappings are of interest to a much wider community. Thanks for your interest: do you plan to submit an outline this week, or do you just want us to allocate a time slot and then dun you for materials when we're looking for finished papers? regards -- Steve Holden http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/pwp/ Bring your musical instrument to PyCon! http://www.python.org/pycon/ From shane at zope.com Sun Jan 12 13:01:49 2003 From: shane at zope.com (Shane Hathaway) Date: Sun Jan 12 13:02:03 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Object-relational mapping tutorial In-Reply-To: <00e101c2ba54$81796130$6300000a@holdenweb.com> References: <00e101c2ba54$81796130$6300000a@holdenweb.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Steve Holden wrote: > Such a presentation would be very welcome. It will be particularly that the > presentation isn'tZope-specific, since object-relational mappings are of > interest to a much wider community. Good point. I should focus on use outside Zope. > Thanks for your interest: do you plan to submit an outline this week, or do > you just want us to allocate a time slot and then dun you for materials when > we're looking for finished papers? I'll submit an outline by Wednesday. Shane From jgrossberg at matrixgroup.net Mon Jan 13 17:52:20 2003 From: jgrossberg at matrixgroup.net (Joe Grossberg) Date: Mon Jan 13 17:48:25 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] re: Object-relational mapping tutorial (Shane Hathaway) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E234324.5070706@matrixgroup.net> FWIW, we're using an O/R mapping system we've written ourselves. It's done in Python, but not Zope. As Steve said, "object-relational mappings are of interest to a much wider community." Let me know if you want any pre-conference feedback. (Yes, of course I will be there at the conference.) Joe From shane at zope.com Mon Jan 13 18:00:08 2003 From: shane at zope.com (Shane Hathaway) Date: Mon Jan 13 18:00:44 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] re: Object-relational mapping tutorial (Shane Hathaway) References: <3E234324.5070706@matrixgroup.net> Message-ID: <3E2344F8.1070301@zope.com> Joe Grossberg wrote: > FWIW, we're using an O/R mapping system we've written ourselves. It's > done in Python, but not Zope. As Steve said, "object-relational mappings > are of interest to a much wider community." To clarify, AdaptableStorage already addresses a much wider community than Zope. Zope is only the prototypical application. > Let me know if you want any pre-conference feedback. (Yes, of course I > will be there at the conference.) Ok. Shane From guido at python.org Tue Jan 14 15:59:12 2003 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Tue Jan 14 16:00:04 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] PyCon IRC channel Message-ID: <200301142059.h0EKxCw31962@odiug.zope.com> For those interested in helping out with the organization of PyCon, there's now an IRC channel on irc.freenode.net, channel #pycon. It's more effective if people pick a specific time to be there, of course, but any two people might meet there and get something done. If decisions (even tentative) get made, please make sure to mail something to the mailing list too! BTW, the PSF board and Steve have decided the following fee schedule: $150 early bird (registered and paid up to 4 weeks before the conference) $200 regular pre-registration (registered and paid up to a few days before the conference) $250 all on-site payment (pre-registration is still strongly recommended when paying on-site, to ensure your space and to speed up badge creation) --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From bobpayne at webdc.com Wed Jan 15 16:37:40 2003 From: bobpayne at webdc.com (bobpayne@webdc.com) Date: Wed Jan 15 16:42:56 2003 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Message-ID: <92651322-28D1-11D7-9554-0003934A948A@webdc.com> Dear Steve and Interest Group, I sent an email to Guido and posted a proposal on the PyCon Wiki to facilitate an Open Space Track at the python conference. He said I should forward the message to Pycon-interest and Steve Holden to make my interest in helping organize the conference known. I participated in an Open Space track at XP universe last year and it was an interesting way to create a Self-Organizing and dynamic conversation on a variety of topics. It allows conference goers to create the conference that they want and feel a sense of ownership and shared stewardship in the process. I would be glad to talk directly with you about this. I will be in California until the 19th but will be available anytime after that. -bob payne 202-903-6854 Begin forwarded message: > From: Guido van Rossum > Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 9:45:29 PM US/Eastern > To: bobpayne@webdc.com > Subject: Re: [XpWdc] My upcoming TDD book > >> Just wanted to let you know that I am writing the Python chapter for >> the book. > > Great! > >> I am also interested >> in possibly doing an OpenSpace track at PyCon this year. I >> participated in the OpenSpace track at >> Agile Universe this year (http://www.xpuniverse.com/openSpace) and it >> was a lot of fun and a lot of >> interesting talks were held. > > This sounds very interesting. > >> I posted a piece on the PyCon Wiki and sent an email off to the >> committee this evening. Do you >> think such an addition is feasible at this late time? > > Absolutely. In fact, the organization got a late start, so we're > still wide open for track and session ideas. > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) >