From sholden@holdenweb.com Mon Nov 4 15:14:44 2002 From: sholden@holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:14:44 -0500 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Corrected PyCon mailing list locations Message-ID: <004201c28415$19071770$6300000a@holdenweb.com> Please accept my apologies for including the admin URLs for the PyCon mailing lists (and thanks, Aahz, for pointing this out). The correct URLs are as follows: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-interest http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-organizers http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-announce regards ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Holden http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/pwp/ Previous .sig file retired to www.homeforoldsigs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bac@OCF.Berkeley.EDU Mon Nov 25 20:14:20 2002 From: bac@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Brett Cannon) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:14:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Pycon-interest] Talk proposal: Using reST Message-ID: It was suggested to me that I consider giving a talk at PyCon on using ReStructured Text (reST) since I use it on the python-dev Summaries. Since I have never done this kind of thing before, I am not sure what the commmittee needs from me. If I did do this I would go over uses of reST, through reST syntax, possible gotchas that could throw someone, the tools that are included with docutils and how to use them, and if time allows the general module layout. I can mention design ideas, but that is really David Goodger's thing since he helped design reST. Unfortunately David doesn't think he will be able to make it to PyCon so the other suggestion given to me of David talking about design and then me covering use will not work. So, does the committee need a more formal outline of what I would do? Or perhaps the committee should first decide whether this talk should really be given (doesn't fit cleanly with the "Popularizing Python" theme; kind of does only because people can use reST outside of Python and thus garner some notice for the language)? What is the next step in the process? -Brett Cannon P.S.: It looks like I am going to be involved in planning PyCon, but I will in no way use that position to comment on this proposal; in the name of fairness and such I will stay quiet. From pobrien@orbtech.com Tue Nov 26 01:44:02 2002 From: pobrien@orbtech.com (Patrick K. O'Brien) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:44:02 -0600 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Talk proposal: Using reST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211251944.02971.pobrien@orbtech.com> On Monday 25 November 2002 02:14 pm, Brett Cannon wrote: > It was suggested to me that I consider giving a talk at PyCon on > using ReStructured Text (reST) since I use it on the python-dev > Summaries. Since I have never done this kind of thing before, I am > not sure what the commmittee needs from me. And the committee is still working on an answer to this question. We just sent out the call for papers and are a little behind on figuring out what exactly we will need in the way of proposals. I think we should have an answer for you shortly after the Thanksgiving holiday. > If I did do this I would go over uses of reST, through reST syntax, > possible gotchas that could throw someone, the tools that are > included with docutils and how to use them, and if time allows the > general module layout. I can mention design ideas, but that is > really David Goodger's thing since he helped design reST. > Unfortunately David doesn't think he will be able to make it to PyCon > so the other suggestion given to me of David talking about design and > then me covering use will not work. Sounds like a good idea to me. I keep meaning to work with reST, but haven't had the time to get over the initial hurdle. > So, does the committee need a more formal outline of what I would do? Yes. And we should have our requirements in order shortly. > Or perhaps the committee should first decide whether this talk > should really be given (doesn't fit cleanly with the "Popularizing > Python" theme; kind of does only because people can use reST outside > of Python and thus garner some notice for the language)? What is the > next step in the process? I personally think it is a fine idea. One interpretation of "Popularizing Python" is popularizing certain tools and practices within our own community, which will make up the bulk of the attendees to this conference. So while the theme talks about popularizing, we still expect the conference to be predominately Python programmers (though with different levels of experience). > -Brett Cannon > > P.S.: It looks like I am going to be involved in planning PyCon, but > I will in no way use that position to comment on this proposal; in > the name of fairness and such I will stay quiet. Great. We'll take all the help we can get. And I wouldn't worry too much about unfair positions. This conference is put on *by* Python developers *for* Python developers. So the odds are high that several of the organizers may also submit proposals. I think we can handle that without any scandals. -- Patrick K. O'Brien Orbtech http://www.orbtech.com/web/pobrien ----------------------------------------------- "Your source for Python programming expertise." ----------------------------------------------- From sholden@holdenweb.com Tue Nov 26 02:29:00 2002 From: sholden@holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:29:00 -0500 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Talk proposal: Using reST References: <200211251944.02971.pobrien@orbtech.com> Message-ID: <003f01c294f3$958e4d10$6300000a@holdenweb.com> > On Monday 25 November 2002 02:14 pm, Brett Cannon wrote: > > It was suggested to me that I consider giving a talk at PyCon on > > using ReStructured Text (reST) since I use it on the python-dev > > Summaries. Since I have never done this kind of thing before, I am > > not sure what the commmittee needs from me. > > And the committee is still working on an answer to this question. We > just sent out the call for papers and are a little behind on figuring > out what exactly we will need in the way of proposals. I think we > should have an answer for you shortly after the Thanksgiving holiday. > > > If I did do this I would go over uses of reST, through reST syntax, > > possible gotchas that could throw someone, the tools that are > > included with docutils and how to use them, and if time allows the > > general module layout. I can mention design ideas, but that is > > really David Goodger's thing since he helped design reST. > > Unfortunately David doesn't think he will be able to make it to PyCon > > so the other suggestion given to me of David talking about design and > > then me covering use will not work. > > Sounds like a good idea to me. I keep meaning to work with reST, but > haven't had the time to get over the initial hurdle. > > > So, does the committee need a more formal outline of what I would do? > > Yes. And we should have our requirements in order shortly. > > > Or perhaps the committee should first decide whether this talk > > should really be given (doesn't fit cleanly with the "Popularizing > > Python" theme; kind of does only because people can use reST outside > > of Python and thus garner some notice for the language)? What is the > > next step in the process? > > I personally think it is a fine idea. One interpretation of > "Popularizing Python" is popularizing certain tools and practices > within our own community, which will make up the bulk of the attendees > to this conference. So while the theme talks about popularizing, we > still expect the conference to be predominately Python programmers > (though with different levels of experience). > > > -Brett Cannon > > > > P.S.: It looks like I am going to be involved in planning PyCon, but > > I will in no way use that position to comment on this proposal; in > > the name of fairness and such I will stay quiet. > > Great. We'll take all the help we can get. And I wouldn't worry too much > about unfair positions. This conference is put on *by* Python > developers *for* Python developers. So the odds are high that several > of the organizers may also submit proposals. I think we can handle that > without any scandals. > I'm wondering where the assumption that PyCon is for Python developers comes from? I don't ever remember writing anything that implied it was a developers' conference. I think it will be very useful to have the support of the developers, but I thought the main purpose was to run a conference that would attract attendance from those who couldn't make it to the IPCs for reasons of cost. While I hav only attended one IPC, I got the impression that a large portion of the development team was there, and I presume they will also be planning to attends OSCON. Summary: developers will be a welcome mainstay for PyCon, but I certainly wouldn't want any of the publicity to suggest that if you aren't a Python developer you won't find the conference interesting. "Popularizing Python" is also intended to make the language more popular in the user community. regards ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Holden http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/pwp/ Previous .sig file retired to www.homeforoldsigs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From pobrien@orbtech.com Tue Nov 26 03:22:33 2002 From: pobrien@orbtech.com (Patrick K. O'Brien) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:22:33 -0600 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Talk proposal: Using reST In-Reply-To: <003f01c294f3$958e4d10$6300000a@holdenweb.com> References: <200211251944.02971.pobrien@orbtech.com> <003f01c294f3$958e4d10$6300000a@holdenweb.com> Message-ID: <200211252122.33398.pobrien@orbtech.com> On Monday 25 November 2002 08:29 pm, Steve Holden wrote: > I'm wondering where the assumption that PyCon is for Python > developers comes from? I don't ever remember writing anything that > implied it was a developers' conference. > > I think it will be very useful to have the support of the developers, > but I thought the main purpose was to run a conference that would > attract attendance from those who couldn't make it to the IPCs for > reasons of cost. While I hav only attended one IPC, I got the > impression that a large portion of the development team was there, > and I presume they will also be planning to attends OSCON. > > Summary: developers will be a welcome mainstay for PyCon, but I > certainly wouldn't want any of the publicity to suggest that if you > aren't a Python developer you won't find the conference interesting. > "Popularizing Python" is also intended to make the language more > popular in the user community. I know I made that assumption. I'm not sure what gave me that impression. I'm sure it wasn't anything you wrote. Most likely just the conversation on this list. On the other hand, you might be drawing a distinction that I didn't intend in my previous message. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "Python developer" vs. "user community". I only meant to say that this conference would likely be attended by people who write programs with Python, as opposed to those who write programs in other languages, like VB or Perl or Java. I didn't expect that we'd really attract that many people who just had a passing interest in Python. But if I'm making a bad assumption please let me know. I meant no harm. :-) -- Patrick K. O'Brien Orbtech http://www.orbtech.com/web/pobrien ----------------------------------------------- "Your source for Python programming expertise." ----------------------------------------------- From guido@python.org Tue Nov 26 06:31:02 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:31:02 -0500 Subject: [Pycon-interest] Talk proposal: Using reST In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:29:00 EST." <003f01c294f3$958e4d10$6300000a@holdenweb.com> References: <200211251944.02971.pobrien@orbtech.com> <003f01c294f3$958e4d10$6300000a@holdenweb.com> Message-ID: <200211260631.gAQ6V2x13882@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> > I'm wondering where the assumption that PyCon is for Python > developers comes from? I don't ever remember writing anything that > implied it was a developers' conference. Maybe not everybody interprets the words "python developer" the same way? I'd say that anybody who develops for or with Python can call themselves a Python developer. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From geus@inf.ethz.ch Thu Nov 28 14:38:23 2002 From: geus@inf.ethz.ch (Roman Geus) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:38:23 +0100 Subject: [Pycon-interest] possible talk proposal: fast sparse matrix calculations with Python Message-ID: <3DE62A5F.1040101@inf.ethz.ch> Dear all I'm looking for a Python conference to present some Python related material of my PhD thesis (in the Scientific Computing field). The thesis describes how to effiently calculate electro-magnetic waves in accelerator cavities using Python. For this purpose two Python packages (one for fast sparse matrix calculations and the other for implementing the finite element method for Maxwell's equations) were developed. More information on this project can be found at http://www.inf.ethz.ch/personal/geus/pyfemax/ Now, I'd like to know whether PYCON DC 2003 would be the right event for presenting my stuff or whether another conference would be better suited for this "Scientific Computing with Python" related topic. Regards, Roman Geus -- Roman Geus Tel: +41 1 632 74 39 / Fax: +41 1 632 14 07 Institute of Scientic Computing ETH Zentrum, HRS G25 Email: geus@inf.ethz.ch CH-8092 Zuerich From aahz@pythoncraft.com Thu Nov 28 15:56:07 2002 From: aahz@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:56:07 -0500 Subject: [Pycon-interest] possible talk proposal: fast sparse matrix calculations with Python In-Reply-To: <3DE62A5F.1040101@inf.ethz.ch> References: <3DE62A5F.1040101@inf.ethz.ch> Message-ID: <20021128155606.GA16319@panix.com> On Thu, Nov 28, 2002, Roman Geus wrote: > > The thesis describes how to effiently calculate electro-magnetic waves > in accelerator cavities using Python. For this purpose two Python > packages (one for fast sparse matrix calculations and the other for > implementing the finite element method for Maxwell's equations) were > developed. > > More information on this project can be found at > > http://www.inf.ethz.ch/personal/geus/pyfemax/ > > Now, I'd like to know whether PYCON DC 2003 would be the right event for > presenting my stuff or whether another conference would be better suited > for this "Scientific Computing with Python" related topic. We don't have a formal policy, but I believe PyCon has no objection to a paper being presented at multiple conferences. PyCon is certainly *an* appropriate venue, though you'd likely want to focus on the Python end of things rather than the actual subject of your thesis. -- Aahz (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra