From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 21:44:36 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:44:36 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Starting Up
Message-ID: <a9f39a410711121244x49cfb7f2g64e48f7986743b59@mail.gmail.com>

OK.  We've got a mailing list, now we need ideas on how to get the word
out.  I'll post to the CARLUG web site and invite people here at Novasys.

With the holidays coming up, I don't think it's a good time to start
meetings.  Lets' spend the next few weeks figuring out what we want to do,
then shoot for meetings next year.  Perhaps a Python 101 series would be a
good start.  I'd like to promote it through the High School and local
Colleges.

--greg
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From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 00:23:58 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:23:58 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Posting to CARLUG
Message-ID: <a9f39a410711141523p398bacd8h1aedf0d8515cf3b9@mail.gmail.com>

I posted an announcement to CARLUG (Central Arkansas Linux Users Group)
today enjoining our group and inviting them to join.  They're not into
Windows (which is understandable), but they are big supporters of Open
Source and we might get a few of them on board.  They also have been running
a Users Group for years and should have good suggestions for us.

--greg
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From srilyk at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 00:49:18 2007
From: srilyk at gmail.com (W W)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:49:18 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Posting to CARLUG
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a410711141523p398bacd8h1aedf0d8515cf3b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711141523p398bacd8h1aedf0d8515cf3b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <333efb450711141549u61b2e3b6n278dd52bd3c04806@mail.gmail.com>

Like me! Well, I haven't been so much running any users group, just
partaking of the excellent experience.

I just started using python earlier this year... and was planning on
building myself a scheduling program... but turned out I didn't have the
time :P

On Nov 14, 2007 5:23 PM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:

> I posted an announcement to CARLUG (Central Arkansas Linux Users Group)
> today enjoining our group and inviting them to join.  They're not into
> Windows (which is understandable), but they are big supporters of Open
> Source and we might get a few of them on board.  They also have been running
> a Users Group for years and should have good suggestions for us.
>
> --greg
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
>
>


-- 
To be considered stupid and to be told so is more painful than being called
gluttonous, mendacious, violent, lascivious, lazy, cowardly: every weakness,
every vice, has found its defenders, its rhetoric, its ennoblement and
exaltation, but stupidity hasn't. - Primo Levi
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From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 14:07:41 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:07:41 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Where to start?
Message-ID: <a9f39a410711150507qca039daw55495d2208bda942@mail.gmail.com>

As of 7AM today, we have 10 people signed up to our humble little list.
What would *you* like to see the group do?  Do we take on Python evangelism
in the community by offering classes?  Do we concentrate on teaching more
advanced skills to those of us here?  Something else?  One thing I have
learned from the CARLUG folks is that nothing will happen unless we make it
happen, and even then it can be difficult.

As for a meeting, where is everybody located?  I'm thinking that Conway
would be a good location for a meeting because I know of one member in
Little Rock and another in Northwest Arkansas who has said he would be
willing to travel to meet with other Pythonistas.  We might move meetings
around, but that might make things worse than better.  I don't know.

Another issue to start thinking about is a logo for the group (because I'm
already thinking about a web page).  The official Python logo is the "double
snake" and I though we might use that inside an outline of the State of
Arkansas (we would need PSF approval, of course).  Another thought would be
to use the old "happy snake" logo.  Or, do we work something with the
"Pi-R-Squared" theme?  I can code, but I'm just not that good at artistic
stuff.

Lastly, any of you that are already skilled in Python should consider
submitting a paper for PyCon 2008 in Chicago.  Talks are 30 minutes
(actually 25, because 5 are reserved for questions), which is pretty easy to
fill.  Check out www.pycon.org for information on the conference.  Think
about going, if you can.

--greg
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From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM  Thu Nov 15 16:05:42 2007
From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:05:42 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Where to start?
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a410711150507qca039daw55495d2208bda942@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711150507qca039daw55495d2208bda942@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A6044F80DFA5834E8D4B7416AAD4B65F624753@FAY-MAILCLUSTER.SWN.COM>

10?!? Wow, whodathunkit? 

 

What should we do? Heres my take: I think that at first we should
concentrate on getting together, meeting one another, and getting to
know more about what we all do, how we use Python, and see what
different skill levels we have as a group. I'm in this to learn and also
share what (little) knowledge I have. As for meeting location, I am the
NW Arkie, and yes, I'm willing to drive it on down to Conway for
meetings. If we could find a location to have our meeting - someplace
with wireless would be great, a projection screen - that would be great,
then afterwards those who wish could go and grab some eats and tasty
beverages and continue the discussions. Greg, I've pretty good
Illustrator skills, and actually have the Python logo in an AI file, and
I have plenty of geographic data related to AR. I'd love to do a logo.

 

chad! 

 

________________________________

From: pyar2-bounces at python.org [mailto:pyar2-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Lindstrom
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:08 AM
To: pyar2 at python.org
Subject: [PyAR2] Where to start?

 

As of 7AM today, we have 10 people signed up to our humble little list.
What would *you* like to see the group do?  Do we take on Python
evangelism in the community by offering classes?  Do we concentrate on
teaching more advanced skills to those of us here?  Something else?  One
thing I have learned from the CARLUG folks is that nothing will happen
unless we make it happen, and even then it can be difficult. 

As for a meeting, where is everybody located?  I'm thinking that Conway
would be a good location for a meeting because I know of one member in
Little Rock and another in Northwest Arkansas who has said he would be
willing to travel to meet with other Pythonistas.  We might move
meetings around, but that might make things worse than better.  I don't
know. 

Another issue to start thinking about is a logo for the group (because
I'm already thinking about a web page).  The official Python logo is the
"double snake" and I though we might use that inside an outline of the
State of Arkansas (we would need PSF approval, of course).  Another
thought would be to use the old "happy snake" logo.  Or, do we work
something with the "Pi-R-Squared" theme?  I can code, but I'm just not
that good at artistic stuff. 

Lastly, any of you that are already skilled in Python should consider
submitting a paper for PyCon 2008 in Chicago.  Talks are 30 minutes
(actually 25, because 5 are reserved for questions), which is pretty
easy to fill.  Check out www.pycon.org for information on the
conference.  Think about going, if you can.

--greg


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From srilyk at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 16:25:41 2007
From: srilyk at gmail.com (W W)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:25:41 -0500
Subject: [PyAR2] Where to start?
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a410711150507qca039daw55495d2208bda942@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711150507qca039daw55495d2208bda942@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <333efb450711150725q4b1f75fdxebf097092afe08e2@mail.gmail.com>

Personally I think classes could be useful and certainly welcome... I would
also enjoy learning some more advanced skills.

As for location, I'm in Maumelle, so LR or Conway are both about the same
distance, +-5 miles.

For the logo, once we get a few more people on the list maybe we could have
a logo contest - people submit their logo proposal, I'd assume some type of
size/format restrictions.

I assume not all of us are artistically inclined (or interested, for that
matter), so I doubt everyone would actually enter a submission. Then perhaps
you could rig some type of voting system where all the logos would be
available for view.

Just my 2.5c
-Wayne

p.s. is there any way in the settings to adjust the "reply-to" address to
the pyar2 address? not a big deal but if some of us get in a hurry...

On Nov 15, 2007 8:07 AM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:

> As of 7AM today, we have 10 people signed up to our humble little list.
> What would *you* like to see the group do?  Do we take on Python evangelism
> in the community by offering classes?  Do we concentrate on teaching more
> advanced skills to those of us here?  Something else?  One thing I have
> learned from the CARLUG folks is that nothing will happen unless we make it
> happen, and even then it can be difficult.
>
> As for a meeting, where is everybody located?  I'm thinking that Conway
> would be a good location for a meeting because I know of one member in
> Little Rock and another in Northwest Arkansas who has said he would be
> willing to travel to meet with other Pythonistas.  We might move meetings
> around, but that might make things worse than better.  I don't know.
>
> Another issue to start thinking about is a logo for the group (because I'm
> already thinking about a web page).  The official Python logo is the "double
> snake" and I though we might use that inside an outline of the State of
> Arkansas (we would need PSF approval, of course).  Another thought would be
> to use the old "happy snake" logo.  Or, do we work something with the
> "Pi-R-Squared" theme?  I can code, but I'm just not that good at artistic
> stuff.
>
> Lastly, any of you that are already skilled in Python should consider
> submitting a paper for PyCon 2008 in Chicago.  Talks are 30 minutes
> (actually 25, because 5 are reserved for questions), which is pretty easy to
> fill.  Check out www.pycon.org for information on the conference.  Think
> about going, if you can.
>
> --greg
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
>
>


-- 
To be considered stupid and to be told so is more painful than being called
gluttonous, mendacious, violent, lascivious, lazy, cowardly: every weakness,
every vice, has found its defenders, its rhetoric, its ennoblement and
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From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM  Thu Nov 15 16:23:51 2007
From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:23:51 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Python User Group starting up in Arkansas!
Message-ID: <A6044F80DFA5834E8D4B7416AAD4B65F624755@FAY-MAILCLUSTER.SWN.COM>

It is my pleasure to announce that there is now an official Python User
Group in Arkansas, PyAr^2, the Python Artists of Arkansas. We just
formed about 2 weeks ago, and the listserv signup and info can be found
at:

 

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2

 

You do need to subscribe to post. Anyone remotely interested in Python
is encouraged to sign up. We currently have users in Conway, Little
Rock, and Fayetteville (me), and are planning on having meetings in the
Conway area(?) starting early next year. I know there are folks out
there in the GIS community who use Python, and probably more who would
like to. I encourage you to get involved, as you all know; we can always
learn something new from one another. Python is a great language that
can do amazing things for you. If you have any questions, please feel
free to sign up and ask away, or you can contact me directly at
chad_cooper at swn.com

 

Thanks

 

Chad

 

Chad Cooper

GIS Analyst

Southwestern Energy Company

 

 


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From tommy.trussell at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 17:15:22 2007
From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:15:22 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Where to start?
In-Reply-To: <333efb450711150725q4b1f75fdxebf097092afe08e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711150507qca039daw55495d2208bda942@mail.gmail.com>
	<333efb450711150725q4b1f75fdxebf097092afe08e2@mail.gmail.com>
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Greetings! I just signed up, though I don't know how much time I'll
have to work with Python in the next few months...

On Nov 15, 2007 9:25 AM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com> wrote:
> For the logo, once we get a few more people on the list maybe we could have
> a logo contest - people submit their logo proposal, I'd assume some type of
> size/format restrictions.
>

I had a couple of minutes this morning and looked up the information
at the Python web site http://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/

To me the "official" python logo resembles "snake" games so one idea
would be to do a similar (though non-derived) logo with two game-like
snakes. In the video/cell phone games they eat various things, so
their food could be what makes them distinct.

One idea would be the snakes could be about to eat Razorbacks ... but
that would be perceived as "blasphemous" as well as infringe upon
another organization's logo. Given the recent news reports of the
incident at a public school, the snakes could be eating raccoons.

Maybe game snakes would eat diamonds, pine trees, map of AR, BBQ,
state flag,....

Gotta go now...

From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 01:59:44 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:59:44 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
Message-ID: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>

At the end of today we have 26 members of our humble mailing list.  To say
I'm pleased would be quite an understatement.

About a week ago, Chad Cooper wrote me asking what had become of previous
efforts to create a Python Users Group in Arkansas.  I have attempted to
create one on two separate occasions and both fizzled pretty quickly.  With
Chad's encouragement -- and he is quite enthusiastic as I'm sure you will
discover -- we decided to try again, still believing there were other
Pythonistas in Arkansas.  Seeing the list grow today really has me excited.

There are a lot of things I like about Python, and many of them have nothing
to do with the language!  I have always liked the sense of community Python
has fostered.  Alas, with the growth of the community I think we are losing
the 'unconditional friendliness' and heading towards more traditional
mailing lists with flame wars and more hostile responses; especially to
newbies.  While this is *our* list (not belonging to Chad or me), I would
like us to strive for a spirit closer to the original comp.lang.python,
where the most outrageous flame I ever received was "really, Greg, Google is
your friend" and the most simple question was greeted with a gentle
response.

I used to work with a good friend who felt is was not only his right, but
obligation (!) to humiliate users asking what he deemed to be simple
questions because it would encourage them to look up the answer on their own
next time.  It's a plausible theory, but I used to teach high school
mathematics and physics and can not imagine making fun of a student asking
for help.

Another thing I like is because Python is so simple, you meet all sorts of
personalities.  PyCon, the annual Python convention (www.pycon.org) sports
uber-geeks, sure, but there are also musicians, newspaper workers, and
teachers.  Conversations are about real topics, not just Python.  One thing
I've noticed is with most languages you will here "I am a [C|C++|Perl|Java]
programmer where most Pythonistas will say "I use Python to....".  I like
that.

For the past 3 1/2 years I have been the senior programmer at Novasys Health
in Little Rock where we have written a fairly large (about 80,000 lines of
code) application to help us process health care claims.  Our web developer
-- who is a member of this list as well -- choose PHP for our web presence,
but virtually all of the back end work is done in Python connecting to a
Postgres database (as well as Oracle, SQL Server, and IMAGE databases).  We
have come up with a number of innovative techniques to handle data and I
look forward to sharing them with you.  I also look forward to seeing what
you're doing.

About a month ago I was promoted to the Manager of the IT department at
Novasys.  Please don't hold that against me; I still code over 75% of my
day.

As for where the list will go, I don't know.  I have things I want to
accomplish and will pursue them while helping others.  If you want to get
involved, this is the place for you; get to work!!  Perhaps you just want to
know how to do something (connect to an Oracle database, work with objects,
process images, make a web page); ask away!!  If you want to sit back and
watch for a while, that's OK, too.

If you would, take a few minutes and let us know a little about you, what
you do with Python (maybe you just want to learn it), and what you want out
of the group. At this point, all ideas are good ideas.

--greg
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From srilyk at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 02:26:37 2007
From: srilyk at gmail.com (W W)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:26:37 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <333efb450711151726n79af0539p189d43be8cdd3834@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 15, 2007 6:59 PM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> If you would, take a few minutes and let us know a little about you, what
> you do with Python (maybe you just want to learn it), and what you want out
> of the group. At this point, all ideas are good ideas.


Hi, my name is Wayne <pauses for the "Hi Waaaayne">

little bit about me: I attend UCA, entering my 3rd semester in the spring, I
work at the Student Center there as webmaster/SCTV(Electronic bulliten
board) maintainer/tech guy

It's a lot of fun and I've enjoyed computers/programming from the first
webpage I built (actually I've enjoyed computers ever since our old Apple
Mac II (I think it was)... and then I think it was a 286.... I think we had
a 5600 baud modem and my brother would connect to BBSs in Little Rock), and
then when I was 16 (and homeschooled) I took some courses at Pulaski Tech in
programming - intro to programming (VBS) and intro to C++. Since then I've
used PHP probably "a bit" to write programs I wanted (like a guessing game).

Earlier this year, I don't remember why... Oh yes I do - I was at a CARLUG
(or was it Hot Springs?) LUG meeting in Hot Springs where I read a bit about
PyGTK+. It was billed as an easy to learn, powerful language, so I decided
to learn more. Several months ago I finally installed it and searched for a
tutorial and it said "know a bit about python on it's own first" so I
started some of that, got started on a text based schedule-type program, and
then got busy with school and the rest of my life.

Currently my main use for python is a calculator in interactive mode.
Hopefully next semester when I get started in Programming I I'll have more
time to learn PyGTK+, which is where my real interest lies!

Who's next?
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From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM  Fri Nov 16 05:22:28 2007
From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:22:28 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
References: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A6044F80DFA5834E8D4B7416AAD4B65F0188B0@FAY-MAILCLUSTER.SWN.COM>

OK, I'll bite. I'm Chad Cooper, and I'm a co-admin of our listserve along with Greg. I think I am equally as surprised as Greg is as to how many members we have already - its awesome, and I too am very excited. So here's my deal.

I'm a Geographic Information Systems (GIS) Analyst for Southwestern Energy out of the Fayetteville office. Southwestern is a medium-sized independent natural gas exploration and production company. We drill natural gas wells in Arkansas and Oklahoma. Our main office is  in Houston, and they drill in Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana, among other places. I use Python on an almost daily basis to mine/harvest data from SqlServer/DB2/MySQL, copy data between servers, download data from the web, process images, scrape/parse text files, slurp data out of Excel workbooks, and do tons and tons of geoprocessing (and if you don't know much about GIS and geoprocessing, you will after we all meet). I love the elegance and simplicity of Python. I love writing structured and well-formed code that just makes sense. Greg is so right about the sense of community among Python coders, its awesome. What do I want out of this users group? I want to share what I know. I want to learn what *you* know. I want to promote Python. We are the only ones that can make this group work. I think we are off to a great start. Lets keep it up, folks.

chad


-----Original Message-----
From: pyar2-bounces+chad_cooper=swn.com at python.org on behalf of Greg Lindstrom
Sent: Thu 11/15/2007 6:59 PM
To: pyar2 at python.org
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
 
At the end of today we have 26 members of our humble mailing list.  To say
I'm pleased would be quite an understatement.

About a week ago, Chad Cooper wrote me asking what had become of previous
efforts to create a Python Users Group in Arkansas.  I have attempted to
create one on two separate occasions and both fizzled pretty quickly.  With
Chad's encouragement -- and he is quite enthusiastic as I'm sure you will
discover -- we decided to try again, still believing there were other
Pythonistas in Arkansas.  Seeing the list grow today really has me excited.

There are a lot of things I like about Python, and many of them have nothing
to do with the language!  I have always liked the sense of community Python
has fostered.  Alas, with the growth of the community I think we are losing
the 'unconditional friendliness' and heading towards more traditional
mailing lists with flame wars and more hostile responses; especially to
newbies.  While this is *our* list (not belonging to Chad or me), I would
like us to strive for a spirit closer to the original comp.lang.python,
where the most outrageous flame I ever received was "really, Greg, Google is
your friend" and the most simple question was greeted with a gentle
response.

I used to work with a good friend who felt is was not only his right, but
obligation (!) to humiliate users asking what he deemed to be simple
questions because it would encourage them to look up the answer on their own
next time.  It's a plausible theory, but I used to teach high school
mathematics and physics and can not imagine making fun of a student asking
for help.

Another thing I like is because Python is so simple, you meet all sorts of
personalities.  PyCon, the annual Python convention (www.pycon.org) sports
uber-geeks, sure, but there are also musicians, newspaper workers, and
teachers.  Conversations are about real topics, not just Python.  One thing
I've noticed is with most languages you will here "I am a [C|C++|Perl|Java]
programmer where most Pythonistas will say "I use Python to....".  I like
that.

For the past 3 1/2 years I have been the senior programmer at Novasys Health
in Little Rock where we have written a fairly large (about 80,000 lines of
code) application to help us process health care claims.  Our web developer
-- who is a member of this list as well -- choose PHP for our web presence,
but virtually all of the back end work is done in Python connecting to a
Postgres database (as well as Oracle, SQL Server, and IMAGE databases).  We
have come up with a number of innovative techniques to handle data and I
look forward to sharing them with you.  I also look forward to seeing what
you're doing.

About a month ago I was promoted to the Manager of the IT department at
Novasys.  Please don't hold that against me; I still code over 75% of my
day.

As for where the list will go, I don't know.  I have things I want to
accomplish and will pursue them while helping others.  If you want to get
involved, this is the place for you; get to work!!  Perhaps you just want to
know how to do something (connect to an Oracle database, work with objects,
process images, make a web page); ask away!!  If you want to sit back and
watch for a while, that's OK, too.

If you would, take a few minutes and let us know a little about you, what
you do with Python (maybe you just want to learn it), and what you want out
of the group. At this point, all ideas are good ideas.

--greg












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From Jason_Ramirez at SWN.COM  Fri Nov 16 13:14:04 2007
From: Jason_Ramirez at SWN.COM (Jason Ramirez)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:14:04 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Welcome to the "PyAR2" mailing list
Message-ID: <68468AC6B69AE14EB3D126AC33341720514AA5@HOU-MAILCLUSTER.SWN.COM>

My name is Jason Ramirez and just like Mr. Cooper, I work for
Southwestern Energy as a GIS Analyst. Chad is our Arkansas analyst
representative, I am based in our company's Houston office.
 
 
I use Python sparingly, but Chad has been passively proselytizing Python
and has show quite clearly that what he gets done in 30 lines of Python
code takes me 300 lines using VBA in the company's standard GIS desktop
software. I intend to lurk for a while, but recognize the benefits of
using a concise, compact, easy-to-use language like Python. I only ask
for a little patience for the n00b questions I will likely ask as I
begin to use Python more frequently in my daily tasks.
 
Thanks for putting this group together, and I hope we can share ideas
and information freely.
 

Jason Ramirez
GIS Analyst 
Information Technology Services
Southwestern Energy Company
2350 North Sam Houston Parkway East, Suite 125
Houston, TX 77032
(281) 618-7360 

  

 

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From tommy.trussell at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 15:55:07 2007
From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:55:07 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
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[2nd attempt - reply to list isn't set!]

On Nov 15, 2007 6:59 PM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you would, take a few minutes and let us know a little about you, what
> you do with Python (maybe you just want to learn it), and what you want out
> of the group. At this point, all ideas are good ideas.

Hi, I'm Tommy Trussell. I live/work in Conway, currently self-employed
in a family business, but  trained (and most of my professional
experience as) a software technical writer. My full-time writing jobs
have been in Boston and Little Rock, and I've done a bit of
freelancing over the years. I hope to get back to more writing
eventually.

Some of you may possibly know me via CARLUG or AppleRock, or the STC,
though I haven't been very active in any of those lately.

I've tinkered with a few languages, mostly as a hobbyist, but as a
technical writer it's usually good to be able to talk to subject
matter experts in their own language(s). Until 1995 my professional
jobs involved knowing and using MUMPS (now called M). Although M is
one of about five ANSI-standard languages and has been around since
the late 1960s, it's much less well known than Python at this point. I
don't believe there are any open-source implementations anymore.
Locally you'd have to go to the VA Hospital to see M being used.

I want to know more about Python because it seems useful for many of
the coding tasks I've tackled in the past. I see it come up a lot in
Debian/Ubuntu installations.

I'll probably lurk, mostly, as I have time. I do have a tendency to
make snarky comments, however, so if something I write bothers you
please let me know, as I rarely intend to

From cpfiles at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 16:13:55 2007
From: cpfiles at gmail.com (Chad Files)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:13:55 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
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On 11/15/2007 06:59 PM Greg Lindstrom said the following:
> Our 
> web developer -- who is a member of this list as well -- choose PHP for 
> our web presence, but virtually all of the back end work is done in 
> Python connecting to a Postgres database (as well as Oracle, SQL Server, 
> and IMAGE databases).  

That would be me.

> If you would, take a few minutes and let us know a little about you, 
> what you do with Python (maybe you just want to learn it), and what you 
> want out of the group. At this point, all ideas are good ideas.

Greg summed up where we work pretty well, so I will not go into that. 
Doing what I do, I have used literally half a dozen languages to their 
fullest extent (C++/Java/Perl/PHP/ColdFusion/C#/ASP). Along the way I 
have surveyed several other languages Ada, Lisp, Ruby, D, SmallTalk, 
Fortran, Cobol, Assembler and most recently Python. Now I will say that 
of the languages mentioned, I spend the most time with PHP. For a few 
particular reasons I have just gravitated towards PHP, but this is not a 
PHP list.

Working with Greg, and the system he designed, I have had the 
opportunity to use Python on a few projects. The main one is outlined in 
this Linux Journal Article (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9283). I 
have also hacked at Freevo and MythTV (both use Python).

I am looking forward to get deeper into Python in the future. This seems 
like a good place to start.

/Chad


From kwadroke at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 16:43:10 2007
From: kwadroke at gmail.com (Kwadroke of The Wired)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:43:10 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
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On Nov 15, 2007 6:59 PM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you would, take a few minutes and let us know a little about you, what
> you do with Python (maybe you just want to learn it), and what you want out
> of the group. At this point, all ideas are good ideas.
>

I'm, Tony Bates, I work at Acxiom here in Conway. Some of you know me from
CARLUG, LRLUG or HSALUG. I do most of my programming in PHP. I use Ubuntu
Linux on all of my computers, which uses Python heavily. I have not done
much with Python, but I am wanting to learn more for writing Py-GTK apps.

-- 
Tony Bates - Kwadroke of The Wired
Red Hat Certified Engineer

Hot Springs Area Linux Users Group - hsalug.org
Little Rock Linux Users Group - lrlug.org
Central Arkansas Linux Users Group - carlug.org
Arkansas Linux Users Group - arlug.org
Arkansas Laser Tag - arklt.org
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From greddin at apache.org  Fri Nov 16 17:04:25 2007
From: greddin at apache.org (Greg Reddin)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:04:25 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
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Hi,

You can call me "Other Greg" I guess. I've been a developer by trade
for about 10 years. I started out in Visual Basic, but I promptly
forgot all that :-) From there I moved to C++, then Java, where most
of my career has been spent. In the Java space I've worked on web
frameworks mostly, but in my last job I worked on SOA architecture and
such. In the last couple of years I've also spent some time in PHP
and, most recently, I've been trying to pick up Ruby on Rails. I
currently work for a firm in Little Rock where we deliver analytical
data and reports via Java-based web portals. I won't say publicly who
the company is because that might restrict what I can say about what
we do. (Some of our clients are picky about talking publicly about
technology for some reason.) I'd rather talk about our architecture
and technology than talk about who we are :-)

Python has always interested me. I've always wanted to learn the
language, but just never took the time. We use Trac at work and I've
had the opportunity to hack it once or twice. I'll probably just read
more than anything. I'd like to attend meetings, but I don't know if
I'll have the chance. We are a family of 6 and we usually spend our
weekends out in the woods exploring or traveling somewhere. In that
vein the GIS stuff y'all are working on sounds really cool.

Later,
Greg Reddin

From derek.k.horton at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 22:15:56 2007
From: derek.k.horton at gmail.com (Derek Horton)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:15:56 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ddeef130711161315j3eef3caas822850d561015cd@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy!  My name is Derek and I'm a recovering Perl programmer.  :)  I've
been using Python on pretty much everything I can (which hasn't been just a
whole lot unfortunately) for the past year and a half or so.  So, I still
consider myself a Python newbie.

I have to admit though that the first time I looked at Python I walked away
unimpressed due to the whitespace delimiting and the lack of curly
brackets.  Then I used another scripting language for a while and came
running back for the cleanliness of the whitespaces.

I also like the "batteries included" thing about python.  Need to download
something from the web...import urllib, need to write some unit
tests...import unittest.  Nice!!

Oh, yeah, I'm also an "object oriented puke weenie", so I like Python's
support for OO.

I work for Acxiom and have for the past 8 years or so.  I mostly code in
C++ and some Perl, but I'm trying to use Python anyway and anywhere I can.
I'm mainly interested in backend processing and middleware, but here lately
I've been trying to get back into some web development.

Later,
Derek

On 11/15/07, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> At the end of today we have 26 members of our humble mailing list.  To say
> I'm pleased would be quite an understatement.
>
> About a week ago, Chad Cooper wrote me asking what had become of previous
> efforts to create a Python Users Group in Arkansas.  I have attempted to
> create one on two separate occasions and both fizzled pretty quickly.  With
> Chad's encouragement -- and he is quite enthusiastic as I'm sure you will
> discover -- we decided to try again, still believing there were other
> Pythonistas in Arkansas.  Seeing the list grow today really has me excited.
>
> There are a lot of things I like about Python, and many of them have
> nothing to do with the language!  I have always liked the sense of community
> Python has fostered.  Alas, with the growth of the community I think we are
> losing the 'unconditional friendliness' and heading towards more traditional
> mailing lists with flame wars and more hostile responses; especially to
> newbies.  While this is *our* list (not belonging to Chad or me), I would
> like us to strive for a spirit closer to the original comp.lang.python,
> where the most outrageous flame I ever received was "really, Greg, Google is
> your friend" and the most simple question was greeted with a gentle
> response.
>
> I used to work with a good friend who felt is was not only his right, but
> obligation (!) to humiliate users asking what he deemed to be simple
> questions because it would encourage them to look up the answer on their own
> next time.  It's a plausible theory, but I used to teach high school
> mathematics and physics and can not imagine making fun of a student asking
> for help.
>
> Another thing I like is because Python is so simple, you meet all sorts of
> personalities.  PyCon, the annual Python convention (www.pycon.org) sports
> uber-geeks, sure, but there are also musicians, newspaper workers, and
> teachers.  Conversations are about real topics, not just Python.  One thing
> I've noticed is with most languages you will here "I am a [C|C++|Perl|Java]
> programmer where most Pythonistas will say "I use Python to....".  I like
> that.
>
> For the past 3 1/2 years I have been the senior programmer at Novasys
> Health in Little Rock where we have written a fairly large (about 80,000
> lines of code) application to help us process health care claims.  Our web
> developer -- who is a member of this list as well -- choose PHP for our web
> presence, but virtually all of the back end work is done in Python
> connecting to a Postgres database (as well as Oracle, SQL Server, and IMAGE
> databases).  We have come up with a number of innovative techniques to
> handle data and I look forward to sharing them with you.  I also look
> forward to seeing what you're doing.
>
> About a month ago I was promoted to the Manager of the IT department at
> Novasys.  Please don't hold that against me; I still code over 75% of my
> day.
>
> As for where the list will go, I don't know.  I have things I want to
> accomplish and will pursue them while helping others.  If you want to get
> involved, this is the place for you; get to work!!  Perhaps you just want to
> know how to do something (connect to an Oracle database, work with objects,
> process images, make a web page); ask away!!  If you want to sit back and
> watch for a while, that's OK, too.
>
> If you would, take a few minutes and let us know a little about you, what
> you do with Python (maybe you just want to learn it), and what you want out
> of the group. At this point, all ideas are good ideas.
>
> --greg
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
>
>
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From derek.k.horton at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 22:28:12 2007
From: derek.k.horton at gmail.com (Derek Horton)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:28:12 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
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But wait...there's more...

What would I like to get from this list?

Initially two things:
- a good explaination of modules, packages and namespaces
- a recommendation on a good python intro book.  I know about Learning
Python, Beginning Python, etc.  But which one is the best?  I don't really
care about syntax, what an if statement is, while loops, etc.  I'm looking
for something like Scott Myers Effective C++, but for Python.

Later,
Derek


On 11/16/07, Derek Horton <derek.k.horton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Howdy!  My name is Derek and I'm a recovering Perl programmer.  :)  I've
> been using Python on pretty much everything I can (which hasn't been just a
> whole lot unfortunately) for the past year and a half or so.  So, I still
> consider myself a Python newbie.
>
> I have to admit though that the first time I looked at Python I walked
> away unimpressed due to the whitespace delimiting and the lack of curly
> brackets.  Then I used another scripting language for a while and came
> running back for the cleanliness of the whitespaces.
>
> I also like the "batteries included" thing about python.  Need to download
> something from the web...import urllib, need to write some unit
> tests...import unittest.  Nice!!
>
> Oh, yeah, I'm also an "object oriented puke weenie", so I like Python's
> support for OO.
>
> I work for Acxiom and have for the past 8 years or so.  I mostly code in
> C++ and some Perl, but I'm trying to use Python anyway and anywhere I can.
> I'm mainly interested in backend processing and middleware, but here lately
> I've been trying to get back into some web development.
>
> Later,
> Derek
>
>  On 11/15/07, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At the end of today we have 26 members of our humble mailing list.  To
> > say I'm pleased would be quite an understatement.
> >
> > About a week ago, Chad Cooper wrote me asking what had become of
> > previous efforts to create a Python Users Group in Arkansas.  I have
> > attempted to create one on two separate occasions and both fizzled pretty
> > quickly.  With Chad's encouragement -- and he is quite enthusiastic as I'm
> > sure you will discover -- we decided to try again, still believing there
> > were other Pythonistas in Arkansas.  Seeing the list grow today really has
> > me excited.
> >
> > There are a lot of things I like about Python, and many of them have
> > nothing to do with the language!  I have always liked the sense of community
> > Python has fostered.  Alas, with the growth of the community I think we are
> > losing the 'unconditional friendliness' and heading towards more traditional
> > mailing lists with flame wars and more hostile responses; especially to
> > newbies.  While this is *our* list (not belonging to Chad or me), I would
> > like us to strive for a spirit closer to the original comp.lang.python,
> > where the most outrageous flame I ever received was "really, Greg, Google is
> > your friend" and the most simple question was greeted with a gentle
> > response.
> >
> > I used to work with a good friend who felt is was not only his right,
> > but obligation (!) to humiliate users asking what he deemed to be simple
> > questions because it would encourage them to look up the answer on their own
> > next time.  It's a plausible theory, but I used to teach high school
> > mathematics and physics and can not imagine making fun of a student asking
> > for help.
> >
> > Another thing I like is because Python is so simple, you meet all sorts
> > of personalities.  PyCon, the annual Python convention ( www.pycon.org)
> > sports uber-geeks, sure, but there are also musicians, newspaper workers,
> > and teachers.  Conversations are about real topics, not just Python.  One
> > thing I've noticed is with most languages you will here "I am a
> > [C|C++|Perl|Java] programmer where most Pythonistas will say "I use Python
> > to....".  I like that.
> >
> > For the past 3 1/2 years I have been the senior programmer at Novasys
> > Health in Little Rock where we have written a fairly large (about 80,000
> > lines of code) application to help us process health care claims.  Our web
> > developer -- who is a member of this list as well -- choose PHP for our web
> > presence, but virtually all of the back end work is done in Python
> > connecting to a Postgres database (as well as Oracle, SQL Server, and IMAGE
> > databases).  We have come up with a number of innovative techniques to
> > handle data and I look forward to sharing them with you.  I also look
> > forward to seeing what you're doing.
> >
> > About a month ago I was promoted to the Manager of the IT department at
> > Novasys.  Please don't hold that against me; I still code over 75% of my
> > day.
> >
> > As for where the list will go, I don't know.  I have things I want to
> > accomplish and will pursue them while helping others.  If you want to get
> > involved, this is the place for you; get to work!!  Perhaps you just want to
> > know how to do something (connect to an Oracle database, work with objects,
> > process images, make a web page); ask away!!  If you want to sit back and
> > watch for a while, that's OK, too.
> >
> > If you would, take a few minutes and let us know a little about you,
> > what you do with Python (maybe you just want to learn it), and what you want
> > out of the group. At this point, all ideas are good ideas.
> >
> > --greg
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PyAR2 mailing list
> > PyAR2 at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
> >
> >
>
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From bob.fahr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 00:08:52 2007
From: bob.fahr at gmail.com (Bob Fahr)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:08:52 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
In-Reply-To: <4ddeef130711161328g7f9ad9a4y93ab6018fbf0f97e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey guys.  I'm Bob and I work at Acxiom in Conway.  Derek and I belong to
the same "recovering-from-perl support group" at Acxiom.  I wasn't
interested in Python at first, but I was unhappy with the unstructuredness
of other scripting languages.  I like OO and Derek got me started with
Python.  Now I'm hooked and I look for opportunities to use it.

I'm interested in how I can write better, more reliable, Python code.  In
our organization people often move from project to project and leave their
code behind.  I want to be able to write Python that will not get thrown out
or rewritten when I move on to my next project.  I'm interested in
exchanging ideas along these lines.

-- 
Bob Fahr
bob.fahr at gmail.com
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From glen.rhea at arkansas.gov  Sat Nov 17 02:07:13 2007
From: glen.rhea at arkansas.gov (Glen Rhea)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:07:13 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] PyAR2 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4948.1195247761.13604.pyar2@python.org>
References: <mailman.4948.1195247761.13604.pyar2@python.org>
Message-ID: <473E3EC1.1030200@arkansas.gov>

I am Glen Rhea and I work for the State of Arkansas GIS office (or will 
within the next few weeks) as their "Portal Administrator" which means 
I'll be part sysadmin, programmer, DBA and GIS guy. Most of my 
experience outside of college has been in system administration, 
primarily on windows servers. I have been using *nix for about 10 years, 
starting with linux and eventually moving to freebsd (which is dead btw 
;)). I have used python for a few personal projects such as django 
(python web framework), scripts for rhythmbox and amarok. I am 
interested in using it to replace some of the VBA scripts that need to 
be re-written or new ones that have yet to be written, and we already 
have quite a few python scripts in place. I do consider myself to be 
fairly new to the language, and have struggled with modifying other's 
python code (those whitespaces can be a pain when you have to modify 
existing code, if there is an easier way to do that I'd be grateful for 
any tips or tricks). I generally don't participate much in online 
collaboration simply because I don't have much free time, like someone 
else mentioned, I have a large family and they keep me pretty busy when 
I'm not working. I do manage to tinker sometimes after everyone goes to 
bed though...

My personal site:
http://kirrilian.dyndns.org
Work site:
http://www.geostor.arkansas.gov


From lanceandtammy at cebridge.net  Sat Nov 17 04:30:50 2007
From: lanceandtammy at cebridge.net (Tammy Howell)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:30:50 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to Know You...
Message-ID: <e290f4810711161930n4529fe16j578cc874d572f41f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi my name is Lance Howell, I am fairly new to linux and open source
software. I am loving Ubuntu, and all that it has to offer. I've
always been interested in learning a language like python, but I never
knew how to do it. I mostly program in Visual Basic.net and ASP.net. I
also know COBOL from school. I'm not in the IT field, but i'm going
back to school for a BS in Computer Security degree starting about
June 2008 which should be fun. And I should be able to break into the
computer industry. (Not laterial. lol) I mostly program as a hobby or
for myself. I would like to learn python, so I can maybe contribute
back to the open source projects, which I think is neat. And a lot of
open source projects are written in python.

I can't wait to see where this group takes off, and what will be
coming in the future.



Lance Howell

From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 15:29:35 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:29:35 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Effective Python
Message-ID: <a9f39a410711170629w51c570afm3e5ed1c968a79c27@mail.gmail.com>

Derek-

Here are some snippets from another thread asking about a book similar to
Effective C++ (June 2006).  I don't know if the links are still good, but
it's a start.  I'll keep looking.  Have you seen the Python Cookbook
(O'Reilly)?  It's full of all sorts of code snippets organized by subject
and I use it all of the time to learn new techniques.  David Goodger
(mentioned below) as a co-author of "Effective Python" is the chairman of
PyCon this year.  Since I'm working with him already, I;ll ask him the
status of the book.

--greg

Hi all,
     I just finished reading Learning Python 3rd ed, and am doing my
first Python application, which   retrieves and process text and XML
documents from Web. Python helped me to write the application in a few
hours, I'm very happy with its productivity. But the performance is not
satisfactory. I decide to optimized it in Python before trying C/C++
extensions. But I don't know Python much and have no clu to tune my
program. Also, I don't know what Pythonist's preferred styles. Are
there any books/documents which play the similar role for Python as
'Effective C++' does for C++?

    For example, one of my friends read my program and suggest me to
move the re.compile() out of a for-loop, since the regular pattern is
fixed, and re.compile() is slow. I want to find more such advice, where
can I find them?

    Thank you.

Mike

====

http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips

Also, I suggest checking Psyco ( http://psyco.sourceforge.net/ ), which
can easily improve your program's speed with no change in your code.

Hope this helps...
Luis

====

I think Aahz stated somewhere that he was workign on Effective Python.
I'm not sure if it's an ongoing plan or it's been canned though?

====

You might want to give this site a look:
http://www.livewires.org.uk/python/
====

<red face>  That's my fault.  I'm technically still under contract to
write _Effective Python_, but it has proven much more difficult to write
than I expected.  (Not in the sense of difficulty finding material, but
in sitting down and *writing*.)  I actually brought in David Goodger as
co-author and we still haven't been able to make progress.  :-(

Right now, I'm finishing up _Python for Dummies_ (which is mostly being
written by Stef -- I provide the technical expertise and editing), and
after a suitable resting time, we'll see if we can get back on track
with _Effective Python_
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>)           <*>
      http://www.pythoncraft.com/

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From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM  Sat Nov 17 17:18:51 2007
From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:18:51 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Effective Python
Message-ID: <A6044F80DFA5834E8D4B7416AAD4B65F2E8067@FAY-MAILCLUSTER.SWN.COM>

The python cookbook rocks! I look through it occasionally on aspn too (http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Python/Cookbook). I bought my cookbook used on amazon for $10 and it was brand new. Its chock full of great ideas, and on aspn its constantly evolving.

Chad 

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Greg Lindstrom [mailto:gslindstrom at gmail.com]
Sent:	Saturday, November 17, 2007 08:30 AM Central Standard Time
To:	pyar2 at python.org
Subject:	[PyAR2] Effective Python

Derek-

Here are some snippets from another thread asking about a book similar to
Effective C++ (June 2006).  I don't know if the links are still good, but
it's a start.  I'll keep looking.  Have you seen the Python Cookbook
(O'Reilly)?  It's full of all sorts of code snippets organized by subject
and I use it all of the time to learn new techniques.  David Goodger
(mentioned below) as a co-author of "Effective Python" is the chairman of
PyCon this year.  Since I'm working with him already, I;ll ask him the
status of the book.

--greg

Hi all,
     I just finished reading Learning Python 3rd ed, and am doing my
first Python application, which   retrieves and process text and XML
documents from Web. Python helped me to write the application in a few
hours, I'm very happy with its productivity. But the performance is not
satisfactory. I decide to optimized it in Python before trying C/C++
extensions. But I don't know Python much and have no clu to tune my
program. Also, I don't know what Pythonist's preferred styles. Are
there any books/documents which play the similar role for Python as
'Effective C++' does for C++?

    For example, one of my friends read my program and suggest me to
move the re.compile() out of a for-loop, since the regular pattern is
fixed, and re.compile() is slow. I want to find more such advice, where
can I find them?

    Thank you.

Mike

====

http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips

Also, I suggest checking Psyco ( http://psyco.sourceforge.net/ ), which
can easily improve your program's speed with no change in your code.

Hope this helps...
Luis

====

I think Aahz stated somewhere that he was workign on Effective Python.
I'm not sure if it's an ongoing plan or it's been canned though?

====

You might want to give this site a look:
http://www.livewires.org.uk/python/
====

<red face>  That's my fault.  I'm technically still under contract to
write _Effective Python_, but it has proven much more difficult to write
than I expected.  (Not in the sense of difficulty finding material, but
in sitting down and *writing*.)  I actually brought in David Goodger as
co-author and we still haven't been able to make progress.  :-(

Right now, I'm finishing up _Python for Dummies_ (which is mostly being
written by Stef -- I provide the technical expertise and editing), and
after a suitable resting time, we'll see if we can get back on track
with _Effective Python_
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>)           <*>
      http://www.pythoncraft.com/

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From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM  Sat Nov 17 18:19:55 2007
From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:19:55 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Laptop for kids on the cheap?
Message-ID: <A6044F80DFA5834E8D4B7416AAD4B65F2E8068@FAY-MAILCLUSTER.SWN.COM>

I'm wanting to get a laptop for my 5 year old son. We were thinking about the give one get one OLPC XO but then I read about some wireless issues with them plus I'd like my kids to be using it in 4-5 years. I'm open to running ubuntu on it. Anyone know of a good laptop source (new or refurb'd) in the $300 range. I'm sure the big boxes will have something on black friday, but I'm not camping out at best buy....any input appreciated.

Chad

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From srilyk at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 19:45:42 2007
From: srilyk at gmail.com (W W)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:45:42 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Laptop for kids on the cheap?
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Ebay is always a source...

On Nov 17, 2007 11:19 AM, Chad Cooper <Chad_Cooper at swn.com> wrote:

>  I'm wanting to get a laptop for my 5 year old son. We were thinking about
> the give one get one OLPC XO but then I read about some wireless issues with
> them plus I'd like my kids to be using it in 4-5 years. I'm open to running
> ubuntu on it. Anyone know of a good laptop source (new or refurb'd) in the
> $300 range. I'm sure the big boxes will have something on black friday, but
> I'm not camping out at best buy....any input appreciated.
>
> Chad
>
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From derek.k.horton at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 20:22:57 2007
From: derek.k.horton at gmail.com (Derek Horton)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:22:57 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Laptop for kids on the cheap?
In-Reply-To: <333efb450711171045j4ebc9590s33340ee2b1690aee@mail.gmail.com>
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The Asus Eepc looks pretty cool to me:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220244

I think it was supposed to cost around $200 or so when it was first
anounced...now its $400.


On Nov 17, 2007 12:45 PM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ebay is always a source...
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2007 11:19 AM, Chad Cooper <Chad_Cooper at swn.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm wanting to get a laptop for my 5 year old son. We were thinking about
> the give one get one OLPC XO but then I read about some wireless issues with
> them plus I'd like my kids to be using it in 4-5 years. I'm open to running
> ubuntu on it. Anyone know of a good laptop source (new or refurb'd) in the
> $300 range. I'm sure the big boxes will have something on black friday, but
> I'm not camping out at best buy....any input appreciated.
> >
> > Chad
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> information and is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the
> addressee or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you
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> gluttonous, mendacious, violent, lascivious, lazy, cowardly: every weakness,
> every vice, has found its defenders, its rhetoric, its ennoblement and
> exaltation, but stupidity hasn't. - Primo Levi
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From tommy.trussell at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 22:14:37 2007
From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:14:37 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Laptop for kids on the cheap?
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References: <A6044F80DFA5834E8D4B7416AAD4B65F2E8068@FAY-MAILCLUSTER.SWN.COM>
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On Nov 17, 2007 11:19 AM, Chad Cooper <Chad_Cooper at swn.com> wrote:
> I'm wanting to get a laptop for my 5 year old son. We were thinking about
> the give one get one OLPC XO but then I read about some wireless issues with
> them plus I'd like my kids to be using it in 4-5 years. I'm open to running
> ubuntu on it. Anyone know of a good laptop source (new or refurb'd) in the
> $300 range.

I don't know where the wireless issues might be -- I ordered an OLPC
on the first day and so far there's not even a promise that it will be
delivered soon.

I don't know of any laptop I would think of as "sturdy" for a
5-year-old, but if you treated it as a "disposable," you could
probably come up with something for around $300 at all sorts of
places. Geeks.com always seems to have a few refurbs starting at about
$300, and there are tons of small shops around that might make a deal
on an older system.

An old iBook would run Ubuntu 6.0.6.1 Dapper, and might make a good
system for a kid.

Unfortunately with any laptop you're likely to spend a few hours
figuring out how to get the proprietary stuff working.

From glen.rhea at arkansas.gov  Sat Nov 17 22:54:19 2007
From: glen.rhea at arkansas.gov (Glen Rhea)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:54:19 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] PyAR2 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7
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From glen.rhea at arkansas.gov  Sat Nov 17 22:58:23 2007
From: glen.rhea at arkansas.gov (Glen Rhea)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:58:23 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Subject Title
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5063.1195327380.13604.pyar2@python.org>
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I just noticed that I was replying with the digest title in the subject 
line, sorry bout that...

From derek.k.horton at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 14:35:24 2007
From: derek.k.horton at gmail.com (Derek Horton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:35:24 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Effective Python
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Yeah, I have the Cookbook and I like it for looking up quick
"recipes".  I got it when I first started looking at python (it was on
sale :) and at that point it didn't seem to explain things enough for
me (like "import foo" versus "from foo import Bar").  Maybe I need to
look over it again now that I know more about the language.

Thanks for the suggestions!

On Nov 17, 2007 10:18 AM, Chad Cooper <Chad_Cooper at swn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> The python cookbook rocks! I look through it occasionally on aspn too
> (http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Python/Cookbook). I bought my cookbook
> used on amazon for $10 and it was brand new. Its chock full of great ideas,
> and on aspn its constantly evolving.
>
>  Chad
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>  From:   Greg Lindstrom [mailto:gslindstrom at gmail.com]
>  Sent:   Saturday, November 17, 2007 08:30 AM Central Standard Time
>  To:     pyar2 at python.org
>  Subject:        [PyAR2] Effective Python
>
>  Derek-
>
>  Here are some snippets from another thread asking about a book similar to
>  Effective C++ (June 2006).  I don't know if the links are still good, but
>  it's a start.  I'll keep looking.  Have you seen the Python Cookbook
>  (O'Reilly)?  It's full of all sorts of code snippets organized by subject
>  and I use it all of the time to learn new techniques.  David Goodger
>  (mentioned below) as a co-author of "Effective Python" is the chairman of
>  PyCon this year.  Since I'm working with him already, I;ll ask him the
>  status of the book.
>
>  --greg
>
>  Hi all,
>       I just finished reading Learning Python 3rd ed, and am doing my
>  first Python application, which   retrieves and process text and XML
>  documents from Web. Python helped me to write the application in a few
>  hours, I'm very happy with its productivity. But the performance is not
>  satisfactory. I decide to optimized it in Python before trying C/C++
>  extensions. But I don't know Python much and have no clu to tune my
>  program. Also, I don't know what Pythonist's preferred styles. Are
>  there any books/documents which play the similar role for Python as
>  'Effective C++' does for C++?
>
>      For example, one of my friends read my program and suggest me to
>  move the re.compile() out of a for-loop, since the regular pattern is
>  fixed, and re.compile() is slow. I want to find more such advice, where
>  can I find them?
>
>      Thank you.
>
>  Mike
>
>  ====
>
>  http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips
>
>  Also, I suggest checking Psyco ( http://psyco.sourceforge.net/ ), which
>  can easily improve your program's speed with no change in your code.
>
>  Hope this helps...
>  Luis
>
>  ====
>
>  I think Aahz stated somewhere that he was workign on Effective Python.
>  I'm not sure if it's an ongoing plan or it's been canned though?
>
>  ====
>
>  You might want to give this site a look:
>  http://www.livewires.org.uk/python/
>  ====
>
>  <red face>  That's my fault.  I'm technically still under contract to
>  write _Effective Python_, but it has proven much more difficult to write
>  than I expected.  (Not in the sense of difficulty finding material, but
>  in sitting down and *writing*.)  I actually brought in David Goodger as
>  co-author and we still haven't been able to make progress.  :-(
>
>  Right now, I'm finishing up _Python for Dummies_ (which is mostly being
>  written by Stef -- I provide the technical expertise and editing), and
>  after a suitable resting time, we'll see if we can get back on track
>  with _Effective Python_
>  --
>  Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com
>  <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>)           <*>
>        http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
>  ====
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From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 15:35:43 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:35:43 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Modules and Packages
Message-ID: <a9f39a410711200635n47dd2526y10f3006dc0c8bbb6@mail.gmail.com>

There have been a couple of requests for explanations on using modules and
packages.  I thought that I'd start a thread on the subject, but I'd like to
know where to start.  Should I start with the very basics ("what *is* a
module") or with how to use them to simplify your code (and your life).
Then, I'll move into packages (how to install them, how to use them, and
then how to create you own) and then we'll move on to Python Eggs, a new way
to distribute code.

If you'd let me know what you would like to see, I'll get to work writing
something up.  It may turn into a presentation for one our meetings next
spring.

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From srilyk at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 16:06:29 2007
From: srilyk at gmail.com (W W)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:06:29 -0500
Subject: [PyAR2] Modules and Packages
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I put my vote in for starting with the basics, or at least glossing over
them!

On Nov 20, 2007 9:35 AM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:

> There have been a couple of requests for explanations on using modules and
> packages.  I thought that I'd start a thread on the subject, but I'd like to
> know where to start.  Should I start with the very basics ("what *is* a
> module") or with how to use them to simplify your code (and your life).
> Then, I'll move into packages (how to install them, how to use them, and
> then how to create you own) and then we'll move on to Python Eggs, a new way
> to distribute code.
>
> If you'd let me know what you would like to see, I'll get to work writing
> something up.  It may turn into a presentation for one our meetings next
> spring.
>
> --greg
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
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From HATTENHAUER at adeq.state.ar.us  Tue Nov 20 16:24:01 2007
From: HATTENHAUER at adeq.state.ar.us (Hattenhauer, Kathryn)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:24:01 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Modules and Packages
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Message-ID: <6F6E732380864947BFA28E290610DE1C0DC370A6@dpex02.adpce.ad>

I think it would be a good idea to start with the basics. Thanks!

	-----Original Message-----
	From: pyar2-bounces at python.org [mailto:pyar2-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Greg Lindstrom
	Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:36 AM
	To: pyar2 at python.org
	Subject: [PyAR2] Modules and Packages
	
	
	There have been a couple of requests for explanations on using
modules and packages.  I thought that I'd start a thread on the subject,
but I'd like to know where to start.  Should I start with the very
basics ("what *is* a module") or with how to use them to simplify your
code (and your life).  Then, I'll move into packages (how to install
them, how to use them, and then how to create you own) and then we'll
move on to Python Eggs, a new way to distribute code. 
	
	If you'd let me know what you would like to see, I'll get to
work writing something up.  It may turn into a presentation for one our
meetings next spring.
	
	--greg
	

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From cynshard at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 22:51:46 2007
From: cynshard at gmail.com (Jesse Jaggars)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:51:46 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
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References: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47474B72.10703@gmail.com>

Hey everyone,
My name is Jesse and I spend most of my time working with javascript and 
perl, but I've been hacking away with python for about a year now.

I'm a software developer at Acxiom and I know and work with Derek and 
Bob, however I found this list via the official python-list so it's a 
nice suprise to see those guys show up here as well.

I absolutely love python syntax and the built-in pressure to do things 
pythonic. I find it makes things easier to pass along to someone else 
and get them caught up quickly.

Like Derek, I really like how python ships with a ton of libraries to do 
real work. I wouldn't describe myself as an "object oriented puke 
weenie" although I tend to write things in an object oriented manner if 
the project is non-trivial.

From cynshard at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 23:12:51 2007
From: cynshard at gmail.com (Cynshard)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:12:51 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47475063.3080802@gmail.com>

Hey everyone,
My name is Jesse and I spend most of my time working with javascript and
perl, but I've been hacking away with python for about a year now.

I'm a software developer at Acxiom and I know and work with Derek and
Bob, however I found this list via the official python-list so it's a
nice suprise to see those guys show up here as well.

I absolutely love python syntax and the built-in pressure to do things
pythonic. I find it makes things easier to pass along to someone else
and get them caught up quickly.

Like Derek, I really like how python ships with a ton of libraries to do
real work. I wouldn't describe myself as an "object oriented puke
weenie" although I tend to write things in an object oriented manner if
the project is non-trivial.


From glen.rhea at arkansas.gov  Sat Nov 24 18:04:44 2007
From: glen.rhea at arkansas.gov (Glen Rhea)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:04:44 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you (Jesse Jaggars)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1195902014.2625.pyar2@python.org>
References: <mailman.19.1195902014.2625.pyar2@python.org>
Message-ID: <474859AC.5020206@arkansas.gov>

Is this the same Jesse that went to UALR for InfoSci? If so, glad to 
hear from you again, haven't seen or heard from you in awhile.

Glen Rhea

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:51:46 -0600
> From: Jesse Jaggars <cynshard at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
> To: pyar2 at python.org
> Message-ID: <47474B72.10703 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hey everyone,
> My name is Jesse and I spend most of my time working with javascript and 
> perl, but I've been hacking away with python for about a year now.
>
> I'm a software developer at Acxiom and I know and work with Derek and 
> Bob, however I found this list via the official python-list so it's a 
> nice suprise to see those guys show up here as well.
>
> I absolutely love python syntax and the built-in pressure to do things 
> pythonic. I find it makes things easier to pass along to someone else 
> and get them caught up quickly.
>
> Like Derek, I really like how python ships with a ton of libraries to do 
> real work. I wouldn't describe myself as an "object oriented puke 
> weenie" although I tend to write things in an object oriented manner if 
> the project is non-trivial.
>
>
>   

From jhjaggars at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 18:47:02 2007
From: jhjaggars at gmail.com (Jesse Jaggars)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:47:02 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you (Jesse Jaggars)
In-Reply-To: <474859AC.5020206@arkansas.gov>
References: <mailman.19.1195902014.2625.pyar2@python.org>
	<474859AC.5020206@arkansas.gov>
Message-ID: <474B0696.7010105@gmail.com>

Yeah! This is me. I didn't recognize your name until just now. Good to 
hear from you too.

Glen Rhea wrote:
> Is this the same Jesse that went to UALR for InfoSci? If so, glad to 
> hear from you again, haven't seen or heard from you in awhile.
>
> Glen Rhea
>
>   
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:51:46 -0600
>> From: Jesse Jaggars <cynshard at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
>> To: pyar2 at python.org
>> Message-ID: <47474B72.10703 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>> My name is Jesse and I spend most of my time working with javascript and 
>> perl, but I've been hacking away with python for about a year now.
>>
>> I'm a software developer at Acxiom and I know and work with Derek and 
>> Bob, however I found this list via the official python-list so it's a 
>> nice suprise to see those guys show up here as well.
>>
>> I absolutely love python syntax and the built-in pressure to do things 
>> pythonic. I find it makes things easier to pass along to someone else 
>> and get them caught up quickly.
>>
>> Like Derek, I really like how python ships with a ton of libraries to do 
>> real work. I wouldn't describe myself as an "object oriented puke 
>> weenie" although I tend to write things in an object oriented manner if 
>> the project is non-trivial.
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
>   


From jhjaggars at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 18:47:24 2007
From: jhjaggars at gmail.com (Jesse Jaggars)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:47:24 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you (Jesse Jaggars)
In-Reply-To: <474859AC.5020206@arkansas.gov>
References: <mailman.19.1195902014.2625.pyar2@python.org>
	<474859AC.5020206@arkansas.gov>
Message-ID: <474B06AC.6090808@gmail.com>

Yeah! This is me. I didn't recognize your name until just now. Good to 
hear from you too.

Glen Rhea wrote:
> Is this the same Jesse that went to UALR for InfoSci? If so, glad to 
> hear from you again, haven't seen or heard from you in awhile.
>
> Glen Rhea
>
>   
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:51:46 -0600
>> From: Jesse Jaggars <cynshard at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
>> To: pyar2 at python.org
>> Message-ID: <47474B72.10703 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>> My name is Jesse and I spend most of my time working with javascript and 
>> perl, but I've been hacking away with python for about a year now.
>>
>> I'm a software developer at Acxiom and I know and work with Derek and 
>> Bob, however I found this list via the official python-list so it's a 
>> nice suprise to see those guys show up here as well.
>>
>> I absolutely love python syntax and the built-in pressure to do things 
>> pythonic. I find it makes things easier to pass along to someone else 
>> and get them caught up quickly.
>>
>> Like Derek, I really like how python ships with a ton of libraries to do 
>> real work. I wouldn't describe myself as an "object oriented puke 
>> weenie" although I tend to write things in an object oriented manner if 
>> the project is non-trivial.
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
>   


From smysorekar at TNC.ORG  Mon Nov 26 18:48:07 2007
From: smysorekar at TNC.ORG (Sagar Mysorekar)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:48:07 -0500
Subject: [PyAR2] Getting to know you
In-Reply-To: <4ddeef130711161315j3eef3caas822850d561015cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711151659n4383dcedj98183a9cc4131a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ddeef130711161315j3eef3caas822850d561015cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8753261C0D3F7845ABA8ACD7D1AF80811E9414@mail01.TNC.ORG>

Hi Friends:
 
I am Sagar Mysorekar. I work as a GIS Specialist for the Nature
Conservancy's Little Rock office. I am a beginner in programming. I came
across Python while working with ArcGIS software. I played with it
little bit to modify the existing code cater to my needs. I really liked
what I did with Python. 
 
I am interested in using Python for GIS. But after looking at several
e-mails from fellow PYAR group, I realized that there is a lot that
Python can do. So I am also interested in learning the other stuff that
one can do using Python, especially integrating it with .Net and web
technologies.
 
Thank you for the opportunity.
 
Enthusiastically,
 
Sagar R. Mysorekar
 
Sagar R Mysorekar
GIS Specialist                          
smysorekar at tnc.org <mailto:lsmysorekar at tnc.org> 
(501) 614-5099 (Phone) 
(501) 663-8332 (Fax) 

nature.org <http://nature.org/>
<http://nature.org/images/emailsig_pixel.gif>   	 The Nature
Conservancy
Arkansas Field Office 
601 N. University Ave.
Little Rock, AR 72205
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________________________________

From: pyar2-bounces at python.org [mailto:pyar2-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Derek Horton
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:16 PM
To: pyar2 at python.org
Subject: Re: [PyAR2] Getting to know you


Howdy!  My name is Derek and I'm a recovering Perl programmer.  :)  I've
been using Python on pretty much everything I can (which hasn't been
just a whole lot unfortunately) for the past year and a half or so.  So,
I still consider myself a Python newbie. 
 
I have to admit though that the first time I looked at Python I walked
away unimpressed due to the whitespace delimiting and the lack of curly
brackets.  Then I used another scripting language for a while and came
running back for the cleanliness of the whitespaces.  
 
I also like the "batteries included" thing about python.  Need to
download something from the web...import urllib, need to write some unit
tests...import unittest.  Nice!!
 
Oh, yeah, I'm also an "object oriented puke weenie", so I like Python's
support for OO.
 
I work for Acxiom and have for the past 8 years or so.  I mostly code in
C++ and some Perl, but I'm trying to use Python anyway and anywhere I
can.  I'm mainly interested in backend processing and middleware, but
here lately I've been trying to get back into some web development. 
 
Later,
Derek
 
On 11/15/07, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote: 

	At the end of today we have 26 members of our humble mailing
list.  To say I'm pleased would be quite an understatement. 
	
	About a week ago, Chad Cooper wrote me asking what had become of
previous efforts to create a Python Users Group in Arkansas.  I have
attempted to create one on two separate occasions and both fizzled
pretty quickly.  With Chad's encouragement -- and he is quite
enthusiastic as I'm sure you will discover -- we decided to try again,
still believing there were other Pythonistas in Arkansas.  Seeing the
list grow today really has me excited. 
	
	There are a lot of things I like about Python, and many of them
have nothing to do with the language!  I have always liked the sense of
community Python has fostered.  Alas, with the growth of the community I
think we are losing the 'unconditional friendliness' and heading towards
more traditional mailing lists with flame wars and more hostile
responses; especially to newbies.  While this is *our* list (not
belonging to Chad or me), I would like us to strive for a spirit closer
to the original comp.lang.python, where the most outrageous flame I ever
received was "really, Greg, Google is your friend" and the most simple
question was greeted with a gentle response.
	
	I used to work with a good friend who felt is was not only his
right, but obligation (!) to humiliate users asking what he deemed to be
simple questions because it would encourage them to look up the answer
on their own next time.  It's a plausible theory, but I used to teach
high school mathematics and physics and can not imagine making fun of a
student asking for help. 
	
	Another thing I like is because Python is so simple, you meet
all sorts of personalities.  PyCon, the annual Python convention (
www.pycon.org <http://www.pycon.org/> ) sports uber-geeks, sure, but
there are also musicians, newspaper workers, and teachers.
Conversations are about real topics, not just Python.  One thing I've
noticed is with most languages you will here "I am a [C|C++|Perl|Java]
programmer where most Pythonistas will say "I use Python to....".  I
like that. 
	
	For the past 3 1/2 years I have been the senior programmer at
Novasys Health in Little Rock where we have written a fairly large
(about 80,000 lines of code) application to help us process health care
claims.  Our web developer -- who is a member of this list as well --
choose PHP for our web presence, but virtually all of the back end work
is done in Python connecting to a Postgres database (as well as Oracle,
SQL Server, and IMAGE databases).  We have come up with a number of
innovative techniques to handle data and I look forward to sharing them
with you.  I also look forward to seeing what you're doing. 
	
	About a month ago I was promoted to the Manager of the IT
department at Novasys.  Please don't hold that against me; I still code
over 75% of my day.
	
	As for where the list will go, I don't know.  I have things I
want to accomplish and will pursue them while helping others.  If you
want to get involved, this is the place for you; get to work!!  Perhaps
you just want to know how to do something (connect to an Oracle
database, work with objects, process images, make a web page); ask
away!!  If you want to sit back and watch for a while, that's OK, too. 
	
	If you would, take a few minutes and let us know a little about
you, what you do with Python (maybe you just want to learn it), and what
you want out of the group. At this point, all ideas are good ideas.
	
	--greg 
	
	
	
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From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:31:59 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:31:59 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
Message-ID: <a9f39a410711280531t5ef77dafnf7521b8eaa00ae46@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, All-

OK.  We have a humble mailing list, but now it's time to think about a
meeting.  Here are items for consideration:

   - When?  January? Later?
   - Where?  I'm not sure where we are geographically.  Earlier, I
   suggested Conway because we have members in Little Rock and Fayetteville;
   Conway seemed like a good compromise, but it's *our* group, not just mine.
   Where we meet should have at least a couple of rooms for
   presentations/classes and wifi would be nice, too.  Any ideas?
   - What should we cover?  I'm working on a class on modules and
   packages.  I'd like to cover Python Eggs, but I don't know too much about
   them yet (I'm looking to take a tutorial at PyCon, though).  Others have
   asked for basic Python.  Any other topics?  I have seen "how do I do this"
   type sessions in the past, where anyone can ask about how to do "X" and
   others talk about possible approaches.  I'm really interested to see what we
   can do with Python and our GIS users.
   - What Else?  Those of you who have organized or even attended user
   group meetings may have ideas.  What about a logo?  How about a web page?
   Can we get someone to host it for free (I don't know if the PSF does that or
   not).

I'd like to meet before March, if possible.  That's when I'm going to
Chicago and I'd like to take something up there promoting our group and
maybe pick up more members.

Thanks,
--greg
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From srilyk at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:59:48 2007
From: srilyk at gmail.com (W W)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:59:48 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a410711280531t5ef77dafnf7521b8eaa00ae46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711280531t5ef77dafnf7521b8eaa00ae46@mail.gmail.com>
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It doesn't really have several rooms, but I know the Maumelle public Library
has wifi and a rather large meeting room. I don't know if that's any more
central, though...

Maybe one of you GIS folks with the know-how could write up a program where
everyone that wants to puts in their physical location, and it averages it
out and gives the most central location ;)

eh? :-D

I've already put in my 2 cents about the logo bit, what with the submissions
& voting & what-not.

As far as hosting, I know of *a* resource - www.freehostia.com I think it
is. A decent option if you're not planning on using too much bandwidth.

-Wayne

On Nov 28, 2007 7:31 AM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello, All-
>
> OK.  We have a humble mailing list, but now it's time to think about a
> meeting.  Here are items for consideration:
>
>    - When?  January? Later?
>    - Where?  I'm not sure where we are geographically.  Earlier, I
>    suggested Conway because we have members in Little Rock and Fayetteville;
>    Conway seemed like a good compromise, but it's *our* group, not just mine.
>    Where we meet should have at least a couple of rooms for
>    presentations/classes and wifi would be nice, too.  Any ideas?
>    - What should we cover?  I'm working on a class on modules and
>    packages.  I'd like to cover Python Eggs, but I don't know too much about
>    them yet (I'm looking to take a tutorial at PyCon, though).  Others have
>    asked for basic Python.  Any other topics?  I have seen "how do I do this"
>    type sessions in the past, where anyone can ask about how to do "X" and
>    others talk about possible approaches.  I'm really interested to see what we
>    can do with Python and our GIS users.
>    - What Else?  Those of you who have organized or even attended user
>    group meetings may have ideas.  What about a logo?  How about a web page?
>    Can we get someone to host it for free (I don't know if the PSF does that or
>    not).
>
> I'd like to meet before March, if possible.  That's when I'm going to
> Chicago and I'd like to take something up there promoting our group and
> maybe pick up more members.
>
> Thanks,
> --greg
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
>
>


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every vice, has found its defenders, its rhetoric, its ennoblement and
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From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:16:20 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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On Nov 28, 2007 7:59 AM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Maybe one of you GIS folks with the know-how could write up a program
> where everyone that wants to puts in their physical location, and it
> averages it out and gives the most central location ;)


If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a
scatterplot.
--greg
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From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:20:15 -0600
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Behalf Of Greg Lindstrom
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:16 AM
To: W W
Cc: pyar2 at python.org
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On Nov 28, 2007 7:59 AM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com> wrote:


Maybe one of you GIS folks with the know-how could write up a program
where everyone that wants to puts in their physical location, and it
averages it out and gives the most central location ;) 


If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a
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--greg

 


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From: HATTENHAUER at adeq.state.ar.us (Hattenhauer, Kathryn)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:21:58 -0600
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	Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:16 AM
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	On Nov 28, 2007 7:59 AM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com> wrote:

	
	Maybe one of you GIS folks with the know-how could write up a
program where everyone that wants to puts in their physical location,
and it averages it out and gives the most central location ;) 

	
	If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a
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From: kwadroke at gmail.com (Kwadroke of The Wired)
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wrote:

>  72118
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> Behalf Of *Chad Cooper
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:20 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [PyAR2] First Meeting
>
>  72703
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>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* pyar2-bounces at python.org [mailto:pyar2-bounces at python.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Lindstrom
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:16 AM
> *To:* W W
> *Cc:* pyar2 at python.org
> *Subject:* Re: [PyAR2] First Meeting
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 7:59 AM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe one of you GIS folks with the know-how could write up a program
> where everyone that wants to puts in their physical location, and it
> averages it out and gives the most central location ;)
>
>
> If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a
> scatterplot.
> --greg
>
>
>
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From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 16:30:19 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:30:19 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Mini Programming Contest
Message-ID: <a9f39a410711280730j749a162brd31789ca8377a044@mail.gmail.com>

This was today's "Brain Basher" puzzle.

What is the smallest integer that when multiplied by 7 produces an integer
containing only 6's?

I solved in in my IDLE editor with 3 lines of code (granted, one line is
fairly ugly) and less than 1 minute.  I'll post my version later tonight,
but why don't you take a crack at it, if you have some free time.  It's a
good way to see different ways to solve a problem.

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From srilyk at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 16:33:40 2007
From: srilyk at gmail.com (W W)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:33:40 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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On Nov 28, 2007 9:28 AM, Kwadroke of The Wired <kwadroke at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 28, 2007 9:21 AM, Hattenhauer, Kathryn <
> HATTENHAUER at adeq.state.ar.us> wrote:
>
> >  72118
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* pyar2-bounces at python.org [mailto:pyar2-bounces at python.org] *On
> > Behalf Of *Chad Cooper
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:20 AM
> > *To:* pyar2 at python.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [PyAR2] First Meeting
> >
> >  72703
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* pyar2-bounces at python.org [mailto:pyar2-bounces at python.org] * On
> > Behalf Of *Greg Lindstrom
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:16 AM
> > *To:* W W
> > *Cc:* pyar2 at python.org
> > * Subject:* Re: [PyAR2] First Meeting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 28, 2007 7:59 AM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Maybe one of you GIS folks with the know-how could write up a program
> > where everyone that wants to puts in their physical location, and it
> > averages it out and gives the most central location ;)
> >
> >
> > If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a
> > scatterplot.
> > --greg
> >
> >
> >
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From greddin at apache.org  Wed Nov 28 17:02:46 2007
From: greddin at apache.org (Greg Reddin)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:02:46 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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On Nov 28, 2007 9:16 AM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:

> If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a
> scatterplot.
>

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From smysorekar at tnc.org  Wed Nov 28 17:04:09 2007
From: smysorekar at tnc.org (Sagar Mysorekar)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:04:09 -0500
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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Behalf Of Greg Reddin
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:03 AM
To: Greg Lindstrom
Cc: pyar2 at python.org
Subject: Re: [PyAR2] First Meeting



On Nov 28, 2007 9:16 AM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:


	If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a
scatterplot.  
	


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From pyar2 at cowsgomoo.org  Wed Nov 28 17:27:54 2007
From: pyar2 at cowsgomoo.org (Coltrey Mather)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:27:54 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Mini Programming Contest
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a410711280730j749a162brd31789ca8377a044@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711280730j749a162brd31789ca8377a044@mail.gmail.com>
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3 lines, wouldn't call 'em ugly (not very pythonic, maybe) ... it took me a
couple revisions to make it work like I wanted in that short of space.

spoilers at http://cowsgomoo.org/brainBasher.py

On Nov 28, 2007 9:30 AM, Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com> wrote:

> This was today's "Brain Basher" puzzle.
>
> What is the smallest integer that when multiplied by 7 produces an integer
> containing only 6's?
>
> I solved in in my IDLE editor with 3 lines of code (granted, one line is
> fairly ugly) and less than 1 minute.  I'll post my version later tonight,
> but why don't you take a crack at it, if you have some free time.  It's a
> good way to see different ways to solve a problem.
>
> --greg
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
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From coclerk at cablelynx.com  Wed Nov 28 16:55:21 2007
From: coclerk at cablelynx.com (coclerk at cablelynx.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:55:21 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] zip code
Message-ID: <474D3B09.1208.33371AF@coclerk.cablelynx.com>

71701

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From echobucket at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 18:56:03 2007
From: echobucket at gmail.com (Bart Dorsey)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:56:03 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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On Nov 28, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Greg Lindstrom wrote:

>
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 7:59 AM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe one of you GIS folks with the know-how could write up a  
> program where everyone that wants to puts in their physical  
> location, and it averages it out and gives the most central  
> location ;)
>
> If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a  
> scatterplot.
> --greg
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2

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From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 19:37:53 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:37:53 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Mini Programming Contest
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On Nov 28, 2007 10:27 AM, Coltrey Mather <pyar2 at cowsgomoo.org> wrote:

> 3 lines, wouldn't call 'em ugly (not very pythonic, maybe) ... it took me
> a couple revisions to make it work like I wanted in that short of space.
>
> spoilers at http://cowsgomoo.org/brainBasher.py



Very cool. Better than my solution because it uses far less cpu time!
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From jhjaggars at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 23:47:55 2007
From: jhjaggars at gmail.com (Jesse Jaggars)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:47:55 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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Greg Lindstrom wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 7:59 AM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com 
> <mailto:srilyk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     Maybe one of you GIS folks with the know-how could write up a
>     program where everyone that wants to puts in their physical
>     location, and it averages it out and gives the most central
>     location ;) 
>
>
> If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a 
> scatterplot. 
> --greg
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
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From jeff at taupro.com  Wed Nov 28 23:52:06 2007
From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:52:06 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a410711280531t5ef77dafnf7521b8eaa00ae46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a410711280531t5ef77dafnf7521b8eaa00ae46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <474DF116.7070100@taupro.com>

Greg Lindstrom wrote:
> 
>     * What Else?  Those of you who have organized or even attended user
>       group meetings may have ideas.  What about a logo?  How about a
>       web page?  Can we get someone to host it for free (I don't know if
>       the PSF does that or not).

Re free hosting, you are welcome to create a wiki page for your group on
wiki.python.org.  Many groups do.  And you ought to add your group to the
roster of Python usergroups at:

  http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups

and point it to your wiki (or other) page.  The PSF is receptive to funding
usergroups given a proper proposal.  For example, if you're not already on
python.meetup.com they are ok with paying for a year of membership for you.

There has also been talk of setting up a special "usergroup" server box under
the umbrella of PSF, on which all groups could run Python-based groupware to
coordinate their groups.  However, a design and proposal would be needed and
those who have brought it up haven't had the time to organize such an effort.
 It got however many positive votes.  We're thinking some kind of group
calendaring, group database lookup by zipcode, etc.  The idea is an
open-source version of meetup.com.  But the PSF has no workers, so it would
need someone with energy and time.

-Jeff

From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 00:27:44 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:27:44 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
In-Reply-To: <474DF116.7070100@taupro.com>
References: <a9f39a410711280531t5ef77dafnf7521b8eaa00ae46@mail.gmail.com>
	<474DF116.7070100@taupro.com>
Message-ID: <a9f39a410711281527l2a045d74x494f77a11c51b827@mail.gmail.com>

OK, folks.  We're on the Python wiki (
http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups) but the link currently points
to our mailing list page.  If anyone out there is keen to making a wiki
page, knock yourselves out!  I'll contact the PSF about getting on the
python meetup list.

Chad, do you know if Ryan and Silver  Orb still hosts this kind of group?

Jeff, concerning the community meetup, do you think there would be interest
in doing a sprint at PyCon?

--greg



On Nov 28, 2007 4:52 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:

> Greg Lindstrom wrote:
> >
> >     * What Else?  Those of you who have organized or even attended user
> >       group meetings may have ideas.  What about a logo?  How about a
> >       web page?  Can we get someone to host it for free (I don't know if
> >       the PSF does that or not).
>
> Re free hosting, you are welcome to create a wiki page for your group on
> wiki.python.org.  Many groups do.  And you ought to add your group to the
> roster of Python usergroups at:
>
>  http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups
>
> and point it to your wiki (or other) page.  The PSF is receptive to
> funding
> usergroups given a proper proposal.  For example, if you're not already on
> python.meetup.com they are ok with paying for a year of membership for
> you.
>
> There has also been talk of setting up a special "usergroup" server box
> under
> the umbrella of PSF, on which all groups could run Python-based groupware
> to
> coordinate their groups.  However, a design and proposal would be needed
> and
> those who have brought it up haven't had the time to organize such an
> effort.
>  It got however many positive votes.  We're thinking some kind of group
> calendaring, group database lookup by zipcode, etc.  The idea is an
> open-source version of meetup.com.  But the PSF has no workers, so it
> would
> need someone with energy and time.
>
> -Jeff
>
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From lanceandtammy at cebridge.net  Thu Nov 29 01:02:49 2007
From: lanceandtammy at cebridge.net (Tammy Howell)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:02:49 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
In-Reply-To: <474DF116.7070100@taupro.com>
References: <a9f39a410711280531t5ef77dafnf7521b8eaa00ae46@mail.gmail.com>
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On Nov 28, 2007 4:52 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:

> Greg Lindstrom wrote:
> >
> >     * What Else?  Those of you who have organized or even attended user
> >       group meetings may have ideas.  What about a logo?  How about a
> >       web page?  Can we get someone to host it for free (I don't know if
> >       the PSF does that or not).
>
> Re free hosting, you are welcome to create a wiki page for your group on
> wiki.python.org.  Many groups do.  And you ought to add your group to the
> roster of Python usergroups at:
>
>  http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups
>
> and point it to your wiki (or other) page.  The PSF is receptive to
> funding
> usergroups given a proper proposal.  For example, if you're not already on
> python.meetup.com they are ok with paying for a year of membership for
> you.
>
> There has also been talk of setting up a special "usergroup" server box
> under
> the umbrella of PSF, on which all groups could run Python-based groupware
> to
> coordinate their groups.  However, a design and proposal would be needed
> and
> those who have brought it up haven't had the time to organize such an
> effort.
>  It got however many positive votes.  We're thinking some kind of group
> calendaring, group database lookup by zipcode, etc.  The idea is an
> open-source version of meetup.com.  But the PSF has no workers, so it
> would
> need someone with energy and time.
>
> -Jeff
>  _______________________________________________
> PyAR2 mailing list
> PyAR2 at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
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From pyar2 at cowsgomoo.org  Thu Nov 29 02:15:30 2007
From: pyar2 at cowsgomoo.org (Coltrey Mather)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:15:30 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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References: <a9f39a410711280531t5ef77dafnf7521b8eaa00ae46@mail.gmail.com>
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Forget all this training and meeting stuff (well, not really forget about
it).

Having tutorials and classes is great.  But what'd be really useful is a
group project.  Something practical that we can all contribute to and learn
from.  LUGs setup servers and have installfests and all that jazz.  We need
sprints and projects and things.

I can't speak for everyone, but I learn and retain much better from
practical application of research/training than in any class.

On Nov 28, 2007 6:02 PM, Tammy Howell <lanceandtammy at cebridge.net> wrote:

> 72176
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 4:52 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:
>
> > Greg Lindstrom wrote:
> > >
> > >     * What Else?  Those of you who have organized or even attended
> > user
> > >       group meetings may have ideas.  What about a logo?  How about a
> > >       web page?  Can we get someone to host it for free (I don't know
> > if
> > >       the PSF does that or not).
> >
> > Re free hosting, you are welcome to create a wiki page for your group on
> > wiki.python.org.  Many groups do.  And you ought to add your group to
> > the
> > roster of Python usergroups at:
> >
> >  http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups
> >
> > and point it to your wiki (or other) page.  The PSF is receptive to
> > funding
> > usergroups given a proper proposal.  For example, if you're not already
> > on
> > python.meetup.com they are ok with paying for a year of membership for
> > you.
> >
> > There has also been talk of setting up a special "usergroup" server box
> > under
> > the umbrella of PSF, on which all groups could run Python-based
> > groupware to
> > coordinate their groups.  However, a design and proposal would be needed
> > and
> > those who have brought it up haven't had the time to organize such an
> > effort.
> >  It got however many positive votes.  We're thinking some kind of group
> > calendaring, group database lookup by zipcode, etc.  The idea is an
> > open-source version of meetup.com.  But the PSF has no workers, so it
> > would
> > need someone with energy and time.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >  _______________________________________________
> > PyAR2 mailing list
> > PyAR2 at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> PyAR2 at python.org
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From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 04:30:24 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:30:24 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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On Nov 28, 2007 7:15 PM, Coltrey Mather <pyar2 at cowsgomoo.org> wrote:

> Forget all this training and meeting stuff (well, not really forget about
> it).
>
> Having tutorials and classes is great.  But what'd be really useful is a
> group project.  Something practical that we can all contribute to and learn
> from.  LUGs setup servers and have installfests and all that jazz.  We need
> sprints and projects and things.


Now you're talking!

>
> I can't speak for everyone, but I learn and retain much better from
> practical application of research/training than in any class.
>

I couldn't agree more!  And I have a couple of suggestions for projects to
open things up.

   1. For anyone that has been the coordinator of a fund raising project
   here you sell things (Girl Scout cookies, Boy Scout popcorn, Butter Braids,
   greenery, wrapping paper....) it would be nice to have a system where one
   could enter the products and costs so that items could be tracked.  A
   'dream' system might have individual web pages where the sellers could enter
   the names and items, and the entire order could be rolled up into one giant
   order.  It would be complex, but something we could release into the OS
   community.
   2. The Python Software Foundation (PSF) has been wanting to host their
   own "Python Meetup" service (something like meetup.com, I imagine) but
   have not had anyone step up to the plate to create it.  Maybe *we* could.
   Not necessarily do all of the coding, but we could head up the effort and
   solicit  help from the community.  This would gve us greate exposure in the
   Python community.
   3. Are there any local projects we could do?  Work with any service
   organizations?
   4. I am certain that we could do something with the CARLUG group.  The
   are in the initial stages of planning their Install Feast.  What could we do
   to help out?

I think a project would be a great thing to do.  Coltrey, you started this
:-)...what are your ideas?

--greg



>
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 6:02 PM, Tammy Howell < lanceandtammy at cebridge.net> wrote:
>
> > 72176
> >
> > On Nov 28, 2007 4:52 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Greg Lindstrom wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     * What Else?  Those of you who have organized or even attended
> > > user
> > > >       group meetings may have ideas.  What about a logo?  How about
> > > a
> > > >       web page?  Can we get someone to host it for free (I don't
> > > know if
> > > >       the PSF does that or not).
> > >
> > > Re free hosting, you are welcome to create a wiki page for your group
> > > on
> > > wiki.python.org.  Many groups do.  And you ought to add your group to
> > > the
> > > roster of Python usergroups at:
> > >
> > >  http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups
> > >
> > > and point it to your wiki (or other) page.  The PSF is receptive to
> > > funding
> > > usergroups given a proper proposal.  For example, if you're not
> > > already on
> > > python.meetup.com they are ok with paying for a year of membership for
> > > you.
> > >
> > > There has also been talk of setting up a special "usergroup" server
> > > box under
> > > the umbrella of PSF, on which all groups could run Python-based
> > > groupware to
> > > coordinate their groups.  However, a design and proposal would be
> > > needed and
> > > those who have brought it up haven't had the time to organize such an
> > > effort.
> > >  It got however many positive votes.  We're thinking some kind of
> > > group
> > > calendaring, group database lookup by zipcode, etc.  The idea is an
> > > open-source version of meetup.com.  But the PSF has no workers, so it
> > > would
> > > need someone with energy and time.
> > >
> > > -Jeff
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > > PyAR2 mailing list
> > > PyAR2 at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyar2
> > >
> >
> >
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From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM  Thu Nov 29 15:34:03 2007
From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:34:03 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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Greg, I say we shoot for late January. Hopefully we will all be
recovered from the holidays by then.

 

chad!

 

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From: pyar2-bounces at python.org [mailto:pyar2-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Lindstrom
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:32 AM
To: pyar2 at python.org
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting

 

Hello, All-

OK.  We have a humble mailing list, but now it's time to think about a
meeting.  Here are items for consideration:

*	When?  January? Later?
*	Where?  I'm not sure where we are geographically.  Earlier, I
suggested Conway because we have members in Little Rock and
Fayetteville; Conway seemed like a good compromise, but it's *our*
group, not just mine.  Where we meet should have at least a couple of
rooms for presentations/classes and wifi would be nice, too.  Any ideas?

*	What should we cover?  I'm working on a class on modules and
packages.  I'd like to cover Python Eggs, but I don't know too much
about them yet (I'm looking to take a tutorial at PyCon, though).
Others have asked for basic Python.  Any other topics?  I have seen "how
do I do this" type sessions in the past, where anyone can ask about how
to do "X" and others talk about possible approaches.  I'm really
interested to see what we can do with Python and our GIS users. 
*	What Else?  Those of you who have organized or even attended
user group meetings may have ideas.  What about a logo?  How about a web
page?  Can we get someone to host it for free (I don't know if the PSF
does that or not). 

I'd like to meet before March, if possible.  That's when I'm going to
Chicago and I'd like to take something up there promoting our group and
maybe pick up more members.

Thanks,
--greg 


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From Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM  Thu Nov 29 21:05:16 2007
From: Chad_Cooper at SWN.COM (Chad Cooper)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:05:16 -0600
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Re the website thing....looks like we could settle for the wiki on
wiki.python.org, or.....we could figure out a way to splurge -
considering that the pyar2.org domain just happens to be available - and
get ourselves a real website. Other groups (chipy, socalpiggies, etc)
have their own domains hosted (at least it looks that way), I wonder how
they pay for it, or if they even do? It would be really cool to set up
our own site using plone (not that I know much about plone, but it looks
very cool).

 

chad!

 

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From: pyar2-bounces at python.org [mailto:pyar2-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Lindstrom
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:32 AM
To: pyar2 at python.org
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting

 

Hello, All-

OK.  We have a humble mailing list, but now it's time to think about a
meeting.  Here are items for consideration:

*	When?  January? Later?
*	Where?  I'm not sure where we are geographically.  Earlier, I
suggested Conway because we have members in Little Rock and
Fayetteville; Conway seemed like a good compromise, but it's *our*
group, not just mine.  Where we meet should have at least a couple of
rooms for presentations/classes and wifi would be nice, too.  Any ideas?

*	What should we cover?  I'm working on a class on modules and
packages.  I'd like to cover Python Eggs, but I don't know too much
about them yet (I'm looking to take a tutorial at PyCon, though).
Others have asked for basic Python.  Any other topics?  I have seen "how
do I do this" type sessions in the past, where anyone can ask about how
to do "X" and others talk about possible approaches.  I'm really
interested to see what we can do with Python and our GIS users. 
*	What Else?  Those of you who have organized or even attended
user group meetings may have ideas.  What about a logo?  How about a web
page?  Can we get someone to host it for free (I don't know if the PSF
does that or not). 

I'd like to meet before March, if possible.  That's when I'm going to
Chicago and I'd like to take something up there promoting our group and
maybe pick up more members.

Thanks,
--greg 


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From tommy.trussell at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 22:06:47 2007
From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:06:47 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] zip code
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On Nov 28, 2007 9:55 AM,  <coclerk at cablelynx.com> wrote:
> 71701

??

http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2002/04/26/useless_python_get_the_first_zip_code_for_a_us_city.html

http://vsbabu.org/webdev/pydev/usstatezip.html


(What I'd really like a callable function that will parse a generic
address and return the nine-digit zip. Apple used to have one that you
could install as a system call, and after that any right-click...
er... ctrl-click... on a highlighted address in any "well-behaved"
application would recognize that it was a US address and provide a
menu to do a ZIP lookup for you.)

From tommy.trussell at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 22:14:38 2007
From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:14:38 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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> On Nov 28, 2007 7:59 AM, W W <srilyk at gmail.com> wrote:
> If people would post their zip code to the list, I'll generate a
> scatterplot.
> --greg

72034

From tommy.trussell at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 22:16:58 2007
From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:16:58 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] zip code
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I finally saw the thread asking for zip codes for a scatter plot. Now
I know why you posted it!

From cpfiles at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 23:38:29 2007
From: cpfiles at gmail.com (Chad Files)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:38:29 -0600
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On 11/28/2007 05:27 PM Greg Lindstrom said the following:
> Chad, do you know if Ryan and Silver  Orb still hosts this kind of group?

I do not think he is doing hosting anymore. I know he still has his 
server but I think it is private now.

I have a public facing server but I do not have the connection speed to 
handle the load. It is all I can do to keep my site up.

/Chad


From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 01:11:42 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:11:42 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] Wiki is up
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I have created our wiki on the Python.org web site:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyAr2?action=show

It is screaming for someone to step up to the place and do some formatting.

--greg
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forgot to copy to the list

On Nov 29, 2007 8:34 PM, Tommy Trussell <tommy.trussell at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2007 4:38 PM, Chad Files <cpfiles at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have a public facing server but I do not have the connection speed to
> > handle the load. It is all I can do to keep my site up.
>
> I have an account on a shared host at jaguarpc.com, and I could put
> the domain on it
>
> HOWEVER I don't really have time to administer it right now.
>
> P.S.: all the pyar2.* domains are still available
>

From gslindstrom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 00:48:18 2007
From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:48:18 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] We're an O'Reilly User Group!
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I've registered us an O'Reilly  user group.  This means O'Reilly will do
some very nice things for us.
--greg

========================================================

Welcome!

Here are details about the program you should know--PLEASE READ:

O'Reilly offers free review copies of our books. As the group rep, you may
request a copy for review in your newsletter, web site, blog, mail ing list,
or for your group library. Requests for review copies must be submitted by
you, as the contact for your group [Note: That's me (Greg)]. If you wish for
the review copy to be shipped to another group member, please supply the
name, address, and phone number of that member for shipment.  If a review of
a book has been written, please forward a copy to me. We are also
encouraging user group members to post reviews to sites such as Amazon,
Slashdot, and oreilly.com. For current user group info, graphics, and book
review information please go to: http://ug.oreilly.com/

Please add your group to our User Group
Wiki:http://wiki.oreillynet.com/usergroups/index.cgi

The UG wiki is password protected, please use the following:
username: <snip>
Password: <snip>

Your group members receive a 35% discount on O'Reilly, No Starch, Paraglyph,
PC Publishing, Pragmatic Bookshelf, Rocky Nook, SitePoint, or YoungJin
products purchased directly from O'Reilly. The discount code your members
should use is DSUG. Orders can be placed online at
http://www.oreilly.com/store/ or by calling 800-998-9938. Your members are
also entitled to a discount on O'Reilly conferences and tutorials. Other
special discount offers may also be forwarded to your group from time to
time.

In addition, we regularly donate books and other promotional items for
raffles or auctions to help your group raise money, or for meeting door
prizes--just let me know if you're in need of something. (Please allow
enough time for ground shipping.)

Some of our authors are able to speak at group meetings. Let us know if you
are interested by adding your name to our User Group Wiki page and we'll do
what we can to help arrange speakers:
http://wiki.oreillynet.com/usergroups/index.cgi?UGsLookingForSpeakers


We'll also send you links to articles, tips, and book and product news in
our UG newsletter. If you opted not to receive the newsletter, you may want
to reconsider, as this is the best way to know which books are being
released, and serves as a reminder to request review copies for your group.
Many groups post the newsletters to their members list or on their web site.

What you can do for O'Reilly:

- Make sure your members know about our discount by making an announcement
or handing out our bookmarks with the discount info.

- Add an O'Reilly Banner to your web site from our UG page:
http://ug.oreilly.com/ If you don't have a web site, please post O'Reilly
information in your newsletters or mailing lists.

- Encourage your members to review our books and post the reviews on your
site or discussion lists, in your newsletters, or at any online book review
site such as Amazon, Slashdot, Barnes & Noble, or oreilly.com --making sure
you send me a copy too. For book review suggestions go to:
http://ug.oreilly.com/bookreviews.html


Please let me know if you have any questions. I look forward to working with
you.

--Marsee Henon
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From jeff at taupro.com  Fri Nov 30 09:05:19 2007
From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:05:19 -0600
Subject: [PyAR2] First Meeting
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Greg Lindstrom wrote:
> 
> Jeff, concerning the community meetup, do you think there would be
> interest in doing a sprint at PyCon?

Very likely, although one of the challenges is agreeing on the web framework
to use.  This has derailed local projects of our usergroup, because people
feel strongly about their choice of framework.  I prefer Zope 3, others want
Django, and some want Plone.  The PSF takes no position on frameworks,
although the Python Jobs system (sprinted on last year) is in Django, as
is the PyCon site.

-Jeff