From diana.joan.clarke at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 06:51:03 2015 From: diana.joan.clarke at gmail.com (Diana Clarke) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 00:51:03 -0400 Subject: [PSF-Community] PSF Board Meeting Minutes - 2015-08-24 Message-ID: Hi folks: The PSF board meeting minutes from August 24th, 2015 are now available online: https://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2015-08-24/ The following grants (https://www.python.org/psf/grants/) were approved since the last meeting, totalling $3,874 USD. - PyTexas 2015 https://pytexas.org/2015/ College Station, Texas September 25 - 27, 2015 Amount: $2,500 USD - PyLadies ATX Childcare http://www.meetup.com/PyLadies-ATX/ Austin, Texas Amount: $450 USD - Django Girls Perth Australia Workshop https://djangogirls.org/perth/ Perth, Australia September 19, 2015 Amount: $750 USD - PyLadies Edinburgh, Meetup.com Fee http://www.meetup.com/PyLadiesEdinburgh/ Amount: $69 USD - PyLadies ATX, Meetup.com Fee http://www.meetup.com/PyLadies-ATX/ Amount: $45 USD - PyLadies Berlin, Meetup.com Fee http://www.meetup.com/PyLadiesEdinburgh/ Amount: $60 USD The PSF also formally recognized the Grants Working Group with representatives based in based in Africa, Asia, Europe, Oceania, South & Central America & Caribbean, and North America to help evaluate grant requests from around the world. More information about the working group can be found here: https://wiki.python.org/psf/GrantsWG/Charter https://wiki.python.org/psf/GrantsWG For more updates from the PSF, please visit our blog and follow us on Twitter. https://twitter.com/ThePSF https://pyfound.blogspot.com/ Cheers, --diana From lac at openend.se Mon Oct 5 17:34:55 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:34:55 +0200 Subject: [PSF-Community] [Webmaster] Python meetup group in the island of Malta In-Reply-To: References: <1443208162753.627a1433@Nodemailer> <0BE75397-D88D-4489-90B6-92706BD7E84B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201510051534.t95FYuFo017737@fido.openend.se> In a message of Mon, 05 Oct 2015 13:52:56 +0200, Pavel Savshenko writes: >Hi Cherny, > >Thank you, yes it does help; I believe Laura Creighton mentioned it before >and it is a great resource. > >Unfortunately I have a few problems. > >First, I am not able to log into the wiki to add the new community: all >oAuth attempts fail, multi/single google login or launchpad; my username >PavelSavshenko seems to be used, and reset password does nothing. >Does anyone know who manages the wiki and how I could get help? There seems >to be an open issue for oAuth 2.0 on pypa/pypi >, >but not sure if it's the same code reused on other *python.org >* sites. > >Additionally I still have not managed to contact a bigger python audience >on the Maltese islands (1 person contacted so far). > >Perhaps someone, who started off a local community, care to comment how the >initial members contacted each other, their experience of organising a meet >up and the process of finding new members? > >That would be very very helpful. > >Best regards, >Pavel All the various login things on python.org do not in any way link with each other. It would be great if they did, but they each started being run by their own volunteers at a time when sharing such things (there was no oAuth or Open ID) was harder. To get into the wiki you need to make a wiki login. https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=login Sorry for the hassle, Laura Creighton From roland.hedberg at umu.se Mon Oct 5 17:58:46 2015 From: roland.hedberg at umu.se (Roland Hedberg) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:58:46 +0000 Subject: [PSF-Community] [Webmaster] Python meetup group in the island of Malta In-Reply-To: <201510051534.t95FYuFo017737@fido.openend.se> References: <1443208162753.627a1433@Nodemailer> <0BE75397-D88D-4489-90B6-92706BD7E84B@gmail.com> <201510051534.t95FYuFo017737@fido.openend.se> Message-ID: <0B2E87BA-3AB2-4C59-81E8-99A5B23BE504@adm.umu.se> > 5 okt 2015 kl. 11:34 skrev Laura Creighton : > > In a message of Mon, 05 Oct 2015 13:52:56 +0200, Pavel Savshenko writes: >> Hi Cherny, >> >> Thank you, yes it does help; I believe Laura Creighton mentioned it before >> and it is a great resource. >> >> Unfortunately I have a few problems. >> >> First, I am not able to log into the wiki to add the new community: all >> oAuth attempts fail, multi/single google login or launchpad; my username >> PavelSavshenko seems to be used, and reset password does nothing. >> Does anyone know who manages the wiki and how I could get help? There seems >> to be an open issue for oAuth 2.0 on pypa/pypi >> , >> but not sure if it's the same code reused on other *python.org >> * sites. >> >> Additionally I still have not managed to contact a bigger python audience >> on the Maltese islands (1 person contacted so far). >> >> Perhaps someone, who started off a local community, care to comment how the >> initial members contacted each other, their experience of organising a meet >> up and the process of finding new members? >> >> That would be very very helpful. >> >> Best regards, >> Pavel > > All the various login things on python.org do not in any way > link with each other. It would be great if they did, but they > each started being run by their own volunteers at a time when > sharing such things (there was no oAuth or Open ID) was harder. Would that be a reasonable topic for a sprint at the next PyCon US ? ? Roland 'Look, that's why there's rules, understand? So that you think before you break ?em.? - Terry Pratchett -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 841 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From lac at openend.se Mon Oct 5 23:50:27 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:50:27 +0200 Subject: [PSF-Community] [Webmaster] Python meetup group in the island of Malta In-Reply-To: <0B2E87BA-3AB2-4C59-81E8-99A5B23BE504@adm.umu.se> References: <1443208162753.627a1433@Nodemailer> <0BE75397-D88D-4489-90B6-92706BD7E84B@gmail.com> <201510051534.t95FYuFo017737@fido.openend.se> <0B2E87BA-3AB2-4C59-81E8-99A5B23BE504@adm.umu.se> Message-ID: <201510052150.t95LoRPU012072@fido.openend.se> In a message of Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:58:46 -0000, Roland Hedberg writes: >>> 5 okt 2015 kl. 11:34 skrev Laura Creighton : >> All the various login things on python.org do not in any way >> link with each other. It would be great if they did, but they >> each started being run by their own volunteers at a time when >> sharing such things (there was no oAuth or Open ID) was harder. > >Would that be a reasonable topic for a sprint at the next PyCon US ? > >? Roland I think this would be a wonderful topic for a sprint. It's a really good idea. Laura From roland.hedberg at umu.se Tue Oct 6 01:42:36 2015 From: roland.hedberg at umu.se (Roland Hedberg) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 23:42:36 +0000 Subject: [PSF-Community] [Webmaster] Python meetup group in the island of Malta In-Reply-To: <201510052150.t95LoRPU012072@fido.openend.se> References: <1443208162753.627a1433@Nodemailer> <0BE75397-D88D-4489-90B6-92706BD7E84B@gmail.com> <201510051534.t95FYuFo017737@fido.openend.se> <0B2E87BA-3AB2-4C59-81E8-99A5B23BE504@adm.umu.se> <201510052150.t95LoRPU012072@fido.openend.se> Message-ID: > 5 okt 2015 kl. 17:50 skrev Laura Creighton : > > In a message of Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:58:46 -0000, Roland Hedberg writes: >>>> 5 okt 2015 kl. 11:34 skrev Laura Creighton : >>> All the various login things on python.org do not in any way >>> link with each other. It would be great if they did, but they >>> each started being run by their own volunteers at a time when >>> sharing such things (there was no oAuth or Open ID) was harder. >> >> Would that be a reasonable topic for a sprint at the next PyCon US ? >> > > I think this would be a wonderful topic for a sprint. > It's a really good idea. Being the maintainer of one OpenID Connect/OAuth2 implementation (pyoidc) I?d love to help if I?m able to attend. ? Roland 'Look, that's why there's rules, understand? So that you think before you break ?em.? - Terry Pratchett -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 5, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Roland Hedberg wrote: > > >> 5 okt 2015 kl. 17:50 skrev Laura Creighton : >> >> In a message of Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:58:46 -0000, Roland Hedberg writes: >>>>> 5 okt 2015 kl. 11:34 skrev Laura Creighton : >>>> All the various login things on python.org do not in any way >>>> link with each other. It would be great if they did, but they >>>> each started being run by their own volunteers at a time when >>>> sharing such things (there was no oAuth or Open ID) was harder. >>> >>> Would that be a reasonable topic for a sprint at the next PyCon US ? >> >> I think this would be a wonderful topic for a sprint. >> It's a really good idea. > > Being the maintainer of one OpenID Connect/OAuth2 implementation (pyoidc) > I?d love to help if I?m able to attend. > > ? Roland > 'Look, that's why there's rules, understand? So that you think before you break ?em.? - Terry Pratchett > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community From wesclemens at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 07:13:26 2015 From: wesclemens at gmail.com (William E. S. Clemens) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 00:13:26 -0500 Subject: [PSF-Community] [Webmaster] Python meetup group in the island of Malta In-Reply-To: <80CAB419-BDF1-4BBA-A144-100C0B6F944A@stufft.io> References: <1443208162753.627a1433@Nodemailer> <0BE75397-D88D-4489-90B6-92706BD7E84B@gmail.com> <201510051534.t95FYuFo017737@fido.openend.se> <0B2E87BA-3AB2-4C59-81E8-99A5B23BE504@adm.umu.se> <201510052150.t95LoRPU012072@fido.openend.se> <80CAB419-BDF1-4BBA-A144-100C0B6F944A@stufft.io> Message-ID: Websites like jython.org could use some TLC too. I would be willing to help in an effort to standardize an unify these websites. -- William Clemens Phone: 847.485.9455 E-mail: wesclemens at gmail.com On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > The hardest part is figuring out how to handle backwards comparability tbh. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 5, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Roland Hedberg > wrote: > > > > > >> 5 okt 2015 kl. 17:50 skrev Laura Creighton : > >> > >> In a message of Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:58:46 -0000, Roland Hedberg writes: > >>>>> 5 okt 2015 kl. 11:34 skrev Laura Creighton : > >>>> All the various login things on python.org do not in any way > >>>> link with each other. It would be great if they did, but they > >>>> each started being run by their own volunteers at a time when > >>>> sharing such things (there was no oAuth or Open ID) was harder. > >>> > >>> Would that be a reasonable topic for a sprint at the next PyCon US ? > >> > >> I think this would be a wonderful topic for a sprint. > >> It's a really good idea. > > > > Being the maintainer of one OpenID Connect/OAuth2 implementation (pyoidc) > > I?d love to help if I?m able to attend. > > > > ? Roland > > 'Look, that's why there's rules, understand? So that you think before > you break ?em.? - Terry Pratchett > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PSF-Community mailing list > > PSF-Community at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From betsy at python.org Wed Oct 14 19:29:31 2015 From: betsy at python.org (Betsy Waliszewski) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:29:31 -0700 Subject: [PSF-Community] Sponsored Tickets to PyConES 2015 Message-ID: Hi all, The PSF has 5 free conference tickets to PyConES. The event is November 20-22 in Valencia at Universidad Polit?cnica de Valencia (UPV) and will be organized by a joint effort between the local user group and Python Espa?a association. http://2015.es.pycon.org/en/ Please email me and let me know if you're interested and I'll provide the details. Cheers, Betsy -- Betsy Waliszewski Python Software Foundation Event Coordinator / Administrator @betswaliszewski -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ntoll at ntoll.org Tue Oct 20 10:27:18 2015 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:27:18 +0100 Subject: [PSF-Community] Opening MicroPython on the BBC micro:bit Message-ID: <5625FAE6.5090206@ntoll.org> Hi Folks, Many apologies for cross posting. Here's some good news - we've finally been given permission to open-source our work on the BBC micro:bit (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/microbit) and be a bit more vocal and public about what we're doing. Put simply, around 1 million of these devices will be given to the UK's 11yo in the spring. They are all capable of running Python. If you think the following is of interest, please spread the word! It'd be great to see the wider Python community get involved in this. Damien George (creator of MicroPython) announced it here: http://forum.micropython.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1042 I've written up a "story so far" blog post, for those of you who need some context, here: http://ntoll.org/article/story-micropython-on-microbit The actual source code can be found here: https://github.com/bbcmicrobit/micropython I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have. Best wishes, Nicholas. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They are all > capable of running Python. If you think the following is of interest, > please spread the word! It'd be great to see the wider Python community > get involved in this. > > Damien George (creator of MicroPython) announced it here: > > http://forum.micropython.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1042 > > I've written up a "story so far" blog post, for those of you who need > some context, here: > > http://ntoll.org/article/story-micropython-on-microbit > > The actual source code can be found here: > > https://github.com/bbcmicrobit/micropython > > I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have. > > Best wishes, > > Nicholas. > > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, David Goodger From willingc at willingconsulting.com Tue Oct 20 22:31:15 2015 From: willingc at willingconsulting.com (Carol Willing) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:31:15 -0500 Subject: [PSF-Community] Opening MicroPython on the BBC micro:bit In-Reply-To: <5625FAE6.5090206@ntoll.org> References: <5625FAE6.5090206@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <5626A493.1010701@willingconsulting.com> Nicholas, That's wonderful news! Thank you for your advocacy for education. It's great to see the announcement. I have a few of the older MicroPython boards and MicroPython has really evolved since then. Well done Damien and MicroPython community. If there is anything that I can do to help with getting ready for the micro:bit rollout, please let me know. Warmly, Carol On 10/20/15 3:27 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Many apologies for cross posting. > > Here's some good news - we've finally been given permission to > open-source our work on the BBC micro:bit > (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/microbit) and be a bit more > vocal and public about what we're doing. Put simply, around 1 million of > these devices will be given to the UK's 11yo in the spring. They are all > capable of running Python. If you think the following is of interest, > please spread the word! It'd be great to see the wider Python community > get involved in this. > > Damien George (creator of MicroPython) announced it here: > > http://forum.micropython.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1042 > > I've written up a "story so far" blog post, for those of you who need > some context, here: > > http://ntoll.org/article/story-micropython-on-microbit > > The actual source code can be found here: > > https://github.com/bbcmicrobit/micropython > > I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have. > > Best wishes, > > Nicholas. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community -- *Carol Willing* Developer | Willing Consulting https://willingconsulting.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I realise your next question is likely to be "when exactly will the children get them"? Honestly, I don't know for certain. But early next year is my best guess and I don't foresee any reason at the moment for this timeframe to slip. Hope this helps, Nicholas. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ntoll at ntoll.org Wed Oct 21 01:17:16 2015 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:17:16 +0100 Subject: [PSF-Community] Opening MicroPython on the BBC micro:bit In-Reply-To: <5626A493.1010701@willingconsulting.com> References: <5625FAE6.5090206@ntoll.org> <5626A493.1010701@willingconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5626CB7C.70707@ntoll.org> Hi Carol, Please see my answers in-line below. On 20/10/15 21:31, Carol Willing wrote: > Nicholas, > > That's wonderful news! Thank you for your advocacy for education. It's > great to see the announcement. > Thank you. Here's hoping we can pull it off for the kids who'll get the device in the spring (including my own 11yo son). > I have a few of the older MicroPython boards and MicroPython has really > evolved since then. Well done Damien and MicroPython community. > Damien is one of the most talented developers I've ever had the pleasure to work with. Seriously clever code has gone into making MicroPython work on the micro:bit. > If there is anything that I can do to help with getting ready for the > micro:bit rollout, please let me know. > I'm guessing you're based in the USA. I'd love to know how best to get educators from your side of the pond interested in MicroPython / micro:bit. Comments, thoughts, ideas, introductions, whatever... most warmly received. Looking forward to hearing more... ;-) N. > Warmly, > Carol > > On 10/20/15 3:27 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> Many apologies for cross posting. >> >> Here's some good news - we've finally been given permission to >> open-source our work on the BBC micro:bit >> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/microbit) and be a bit more >> vocal and public about what we're doing. Put simply, around 1 million of >> these devices will be given to the UK's 11yo in the spring. They are all >> capable of running Python. If you think the following is of interest, >> please spread the word! It'd be great to see the wider Python community >> get involved in this. >> >> Damien George (creator of MicroPython) announced it here: >> >> http://forum.micropython.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1042 >> >> I've written up a "story so far" blog post, for those of you who need >> some context, here: >> >> http://ntoll.org/article/story-micropython-on-microbit >> >> The actual source code can be found here: >> >> https://github.com/bbcmicrobit/micropython >> >> I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Nicholas. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PSF-Community mailing list >> PSF-Community at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > > > -- > *Carol Willing* > Developer | Willing Consulting > https://willingconsulting.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm really excited to see the impact. -Matt matt.rasband at gmail.com matt at ardusat.com > On Oct 20, 2015, at 17:17, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > > Hi Carol, > > Please see my answers in-line below. > >> On 20/10/15 21:31, Carol Willing wrote: >> Nicholas, >> >> That's wonderful news! Thank you for your advocacy for education. It's >> great to see the announcement. > > Thank you. Here's hoping we can pull it off for the kids who'll get the > device in the spring (including my own 11yo son). > >> I have a few of the older MicroPython boards and MicroPython has really >> evolved since then. Well done Damien and MicroPython community. > > Damien is one of the most talented developers I've ever had the pleasure > to work with. Seriously clever code has gone into making MicroPython > work on the micro:bit. > >> If there is anything that I can do to help with getting ready for the >> micro:bit rollout, please let me know. > > I'm guessing you're based in the USA. I'd love to know how best to get > educators from your side of the pond interested in MicroPython / micro:bit. > > Comments, thoughts, ideas, introductions, whatever... most warmly received. > > Looking forward to hearing more... ;-) > > N. > >> Warmly, >> Carol >> >>> On 10/20/15 3:27 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Many apologies for cross posting. >>> >>> Here's some good news - we've finally been given permission to >>> open-source our work on the BBC micro:bit >>> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/microbit) and be a bit more >>> vocal and public about what we're doing. Put simply, around 1 million of >>> these devices will be given to the UK's 11yo in the spring. They are all >>> capable of running Python. If you think the following is of interest, >>> please spread the word! It'd be great to see the wider Python community >>> get involved in this. >>> >>> Damien George (creator of MicroPython) announced it here: >>> >>> http://forum.micropython.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1042 >>> >>> I've written up a "story so far" blog post, for those of you who need >>> some context, here: >>> >>> http://ntoll.org/article/story-micropython-on-microbit >>> >>> The actual source code can be found here: >>> >>> https://github.com/bbcmicrobit/micropython >>> >>> I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Nicholas. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PSF-Community mailing list >>> PSF-Community at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community >> >> >> -- >> *Carol Willing* >> Developer | Willing Consulting >> https://willingconsulting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community From georg at python.org Wed Oct 21 07:38:15 2015 From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:38:15 +0200 Subject: [PSF-Community] Opening MicroPython on the BBC micro:bit In-Reply-To: References: <5625FAE6.5090206@ntoll.org> Message-ID: <562724C7.1020109@python.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As someone who just got a WiPy board and is having tremendous fun playing around with it, I second this! Georg On 10/20/2015 10:00 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > I just wanted to say thanks for all the work you put in to help keep Python > on the micro:bit, Nicholas! Same goes to Damien and everyone else who > helped out. > > On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 at 01:27 Nicholas H.Tollervey > wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Many apologies for cross posting. > > Here's some good news - we've finally been given permission to open-source > our work on the BBC micro:bit > (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/microbit) and be a bit more > vocal and public about what we're doing. Put simply, around 1 million of > these devices will be given to the UK's 11yo in the spring. They are all > capable of running Python. If you think the following is of interest, > please spread the word! It'd be great to see the wider Python community get > involved in this. > > Damien George (creator of MicroPython) announced it here: > > http://forum.micropython.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1042 > > I've written up a "story so far" blog post, for those of you who need some > context, here: > > http://ntoll.org/article/story-micropython-on-microbit > > The actual source code can be found here: > > https://github.com/bbcmicrobit/micropython > > I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have. > > Best wishes, > > Nicholas. > > > _______________________________________________ PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > > > > _______________________________________________ PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlYnJMcACgkQN9GcIYhpnLCd+wCaA+3pkjT09ZzygwdEJiyyltBm 55kAn1SjCnbTWa2aO/kuf6Gzj/rzjGiA =2+uo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From swfiua at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 12:07:14 2015 From: swfiua at gmail.com (John Gill) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:07:14 -0300 Subject: [PSF-Community] PyCaribbean Conference In-Reply-To: (Leonardo Jimenez's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:56:14 -0400") References: Message-ID: <87pp01mx59.fsf@gmail.com> Mary, I think I might need to go to this. How about going via Jamaica? J Leonardo Jimenez writes: > Hi Guys, > > I?m one of the PyCaribbean organizers, an upcoming Python Conference that will be held in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic on 20-21 of February 2016.?We > would love to have you here. > > We're working on making this conference an incredible experience! > > We are receiving call for proposals until November 20th so if any of you would like to be an speaker is more than welcome. You can send your talk > proposal to proposals at pycaribbean.com?also you can follow us at @pycaribbean > > For further information, you can contact the organizers leonardo at pycaribbean.com?or?vivian at pycaribbean.com > > Thanks,? > Leonardo Jimenez > * > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community From swfiua at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 12:13:11 2015 From: swfiua at gmail.com (John Gill) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:13:11 -0300 Subject: [PSF-Community] PyCaribbean Conference In-Reply-To: (Leonardo Jimenez's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:56:14 -0400") References: Message-ID: <87lhapmwvc.fsf@gmail.com> Hi Leonardo, This is a conference I would very much like to have some involvement in. I am based in Bermuda. Not technically in the Caribbean, but feel there is a lot we can be working on together. I am very interested attending, maybe giving a talk about what is going on here in Bermuda. Will see if any others here in Bermuda are interested too. Johnny Leonardo Jimenez writes: > Hi Guys, > > I?m one of the PyCaribbean organizers, an upcoming Python Conference that will be held in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic on 20-21 of February 2016.?We > would love to have you here. > > We're working on making this conference an incredible experience! > > We are receiving call for proposals until November 20th so if any of you would like to be an speaker is more than welcome. You can send your talk > proposal to proposals at pycaribbean.com?also you can follow us at @pycaribbean > > For further information, you can contact the organizers leonardo at pycaribbean.com?or?vivian at pycaribbean.com > > Thanks,? > Leonardo Jimenez > * > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community From dattaniharsh12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 12:19:07 2015 From: dattaniharsh12 at gmail.com (Harsh Dattani) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:19:07 +0000 Subject: [PSF-Community] PyCaribbean Conference In-Reply-To: <87lhapmwvc.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87lhapmwvc.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Leonardo, Are you focusing on any topic as in Use of Python for Security, I am interested to be a part of conference, to deliever a talk on python in security domain. Cheers, Harsh Dattani On Mon, Oct 26, 2015, 9:44 PM John Gill wrote: > Hi Leonardo, > > This is a conference I would very much like to have some involvement in. > > I am based in Bermuda. Not technically in the Caribbean, but feel there > is a lot we can be working on together. > > I am very interested attending, maybe giving a talk about what is going on > here in Bermuda. > > Will see if any others here in Bermuda are interested too. > > Johnny > > > Leonardo Jimenez writes: > > > Hi Guys, > > > > I?m one of the PyCaribbean organizers, an upcoming Python Conference > that will be held in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic on 20-21 of February > 2016. We > > would love to have you here. > > > > We're working on making this conference an incredible experience! > > > > We are receiving call for proposals until November 20th so if any of you > would like to be an speaker is more than welcome. You can send your talk > > proposal to proposals at pycaribbean.com also you can follow us at > @pycaribbean > > > > For further information, you can contact the organizers > leonardo at pycaribbean.com or vivian at pycaribbean.com > > > > Thanks, > > Leonardo Jimenez > > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PSF-Community mailing list > > PSF-Community at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ljimenez at stancedata.com Mon Oct 26 12:22:37 2015 From: ljimenez at stancedata.com (Leonardo Jimenez) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:22:37 -0400 Subject: [PSF-Community] PyCaribbean Conference In-Reply-To: References: <87lhapmwvc.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Harsh, We are keeping the conference very general. As long as is Python, It is well received. Thanks, Leonardo Jimenez On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Harsh Dattani wrote: > Hello Leonardo, > > Are you focusing on any topic as in Use of Python for Security, I am > interested to be a part of conference, to deliever a talk on python in > security domain. > > Cheers, > Harsh Dattani > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015, 9:44 PM John Gill wrote: > >> Hi Leonardo, >> >> This is a conference I would very much like to have some involvement in. >> >> I am based in Bermuda. Not technically in the Caribbean, but feel there >> is a lot we can be working on together. >> >> I am very interested attending, maybe giving a talk about what is going on >> here in Bermuda. >> >> Will see if any others here in Bermuda are interested too. >> >> Johnny >> >> >> Leonardo Jimenez writes: >> >> > Hi Guys, >> > >> > I?m one of the PyCaribbean organizers, an upcoming Python Conference >> that will be held in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic on 20-21 of February >> 2016. We >> > would love to have you here. >> > >> > We're working on making this conference an incredible experience! >> > >> > We are receiving call for proposals until November 20th so if any of >> you would like to be an speaker is more than welcome. You can send your talk >> > proposal to proposals at pycaribbean.com also you can follow us at >> @pycaribbean >> > >> > For further information, you can contact the organizers >> leonardo at pycaribbean.com or vivian at pycaribbean.com >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Leonardo Jimenez >> > * >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > PSF-Community mailing list >> > PSF-Community at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community >> _______________________________________________ >> PSF-Community mailing list >> PSF-Community at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goffi at goffi.org Tue Oct 27 11:36:16 2015 From: goffi at goffi.org (Goffi) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:36:16 +0100 Subject: [PSF-Community] Python based advanced XMPP client/social network looking for help ! Message-ID: <10257421.CnblDqjqCs@necton3> Hi there, even if I'm using python for years, I just applied to PSF and subscribed to this list, and this seems the right place to talk about our project. We are working on a free (AGPL v3+), decentralized, encrypted and feature-full communication tool (or ?social network?) made in Python (technical details below). We are a non-profit association focusing on ethic (see http://salut-a-toi.org/social_contract.html), and the project is based on XMPP. But XMPP is not only about instant messaging, we also work a log on blogging/microblogging, file sharing, and this kind of stuff. We have just launched a small crowdfunding campaign to port our project to Android (and make a new desktop frontend at the same time) by using Kivy and its Python for Android/Buildozer tools: http://www.arizuka.com/en/projects/libervia . We are looking for help to: get some visibility (technical people know us in France because we attend a lot of free software events, but not elsewhere), get help for the code, and succeed the crowdfunding campaign. I hope I'm in the right place to talk about this. TECHNICAL DETAILS: We are on a backend/frontend architecture, the backend being based on Twisted, the frontends communicate using D-Bus (or potentially any IPC). We have a Web, CLI, and console frontend, we used to have a desktop one based on wxWidgets (wxPython) but we have deprecated it (we will replace it by the Kivy frontend). We are Python 2.7 because we use Twisted, but as you probably know there are progress in Twisted port to Python 3, so we hope to be able to port the project to Python 3 in 2016. Because we use D-Bus, each frontend can be made in any language, but we have made all of them in Python so far (except one draft Qt one in C++). The CLI frontend use argparse, and we are probably are on the way to have the most advanced XMPP CLI client. The console frontend is based on Urwid, and modal (inspired from vi/vim). The Web frontend is 100% python too because we are using Pyjamas for Python => JS transcompilation. But as you may known there have been some huge issues with Pyjamas, and the project is now dead (we have tried to revive it without success), so we are now thinking about porting it to Brython in 2016. We are pushing XMPP, and we are among the pioneer (with Movim and Jappix) in microblogging implementation with XMPP. We have written XEP (XEP-0355 and XEP-0356) to implement what we need, and we are working on other ones. We also work on the server side with a PubSub component, a directory, and this kind of things. The project is *very* large, well advanced (started in 2008), and we have overcame the major issues we had with XMPP, next release should start to be very useful (a full decentralized blogging engine). We have a lot of features an try to do experimentation (e.g.: http://www.goffi.org/post/2014/02/18/A-universal-remote-for-your-softwares ). This is a unique tool in Python world and in free software world in general. But we have really difficulties to get visibility or support, that's why I'm asking some help here. I hope this long message is a good introduction. Our website: http://salut-a-toi.org web frontend demo: http://www.libervia.org (beware: outdated version, and everything is empty at the beginning, you need to add some contacts to test) our campaign for desktop/Android frontend: http://www.arizuka.com/en/projects/libervia Thanks a lot! J?r?me Poisson aka Goffi From twotonespirit at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 12:16:49 2015 From: twotonespirit at gmail.com (Justin Myles Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:16:49 -0400 Subject: [PSF-Community] Python based advanced XMPP client/social network looking for help ! In-Reply-To: <10257421.CnblDqjqCs@necton3> References: <10257421.CnblDqjqCs@necton3> Message-ID: Wow! This seems amazing. I have been wanting something like this for a long time. Kudos on using Twisted. Have you considered hendrix for the frontend? It will make it easy to use Django, Pyramid, or Flask and still keep the websockets easy. On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Goffi wrote: > Hi there, > > even if I'm using python for years, I just applied to PSF and subscribed to > this list, and this seems the right place to talk about our project. > > We are working on a free (AGPL v3+), decentralized, encrypted and > feature-full > communication tool (or ?social network?) made in Python (technical details > below). > > We are a non-profit association focusing on ethic (see > http://salut-a-toi.org/social_contract.html), and the project is based on > XMPP. But XMPP is > not only about instant messaging, we also work a log on > blogging/microblogging, file sharing, and this kind of stuff. > > We have just launched a small crowdfunding campaign to port our project to > Android (and make a new desktop frontend at the same time) by using Kivy > and > its Python for Android/Buildozer tools: > http://www.arizuka.com/en/projects/libervia . > > We are looking for help to: get some visibility (technical people know us > in > France because we attend a lot of free software events, but not elsewhere), > get help for the code, and succeed the crowdfunding campaign. I hope I'm in > the right place to talk about this. > > TECHNICAL DETAILS: > > We are on a backend/frontend architecture, the backend being based on > Twisted, > the frontends communicate using D-Bus (or potentially any IPC). We have a > Web, > CLI, and console frontend, we used to have a desktop one based on > wxWidgets > (wxPython) but we have deprecated it (we will replace it by the Kivy > frontend). > > We are Python 2.7 because we use Twisted, but as you probably know there > are > progress in Twisted port to Python 3, so we hope to be able to port the > project to Python 3 in 2016. > > Because we use D-Bus, each frontend can be made in any language, but we > have > made all of them in Python so far (except one draft Qt one in C++). > > The CLI frontend use argparse, and we are probably are on the way to have > the > most advanced XMPP CLI client. > > The console frontend is based on Urwid, and modal (inspired from vi/vim). > > The Web frontend is 100% python too because we are using Pyjamas for > Python => > JS transcompilation. But as you may known there have been some huge issues > with Pyjamas, and the project is now dead (we have tried to revive it > without > success), so we are now thinking about porting it to Brython in 2016. > > We are pushing XMPP, and we are among the pioneer (with Movim and Jappix) > in > microblogging implementation with XMPP. We have written XEP (XEP-0355 and > XEP-0356) to implement what we need, and we are working on other ones. > > We also work on the server side with a PubSub component, a directory, and > this > kind of things. > > The project is *very* large, well advanced (started in 2008), and we have > overcame the major issues we had with XMPP, next release should start to be > very useful (a full decentralized blogging engine). We have a lot of > features > an try to do experimentation (e.g.: > http://www.goffi.org/post/2014/02/18/A-universal-remote-for-your-softwares > ). > > This is a unique tool in Python world and in free software world in > general. > But we have really difficulties to get visibility or support, that's why > I'm > asking some help here. I hope this long message is a good introduction. > > Our website: http://salut-a-toi.org > web frontend demo: http://www.libervia.org (beware: outdated version, and > everything is empty at the beginning, you need to add some contacts to > test) > our campaign for desktop/Android frontend: > http://www.arizuka.com/en/projects/libervia > > Thanks a lot! > J?r?me Poisson aka Goffi > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > -- Justin Myles Holmes http://github.com/jMyles/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ned at nedbatchelder.com Tue Oct 27 16:02:04 2015 From: ned at nedbatchelder.com (Ned Batchelder) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:02:04 -0400 Subject: [PSF-Community] Research on teaching Python vs. other languages? Message-ID: <562FD83C.5090503@nedbatchelder.com> A friend at a CS department is advocating to switch to Python as the teaching language rather than Java. Some of his peers would like some evidence (research?) that Python is better-suited as a first language. Anyone have links to such a thing? --Ned. From ntoll at ntoll.org Tue Oct 27 16:04:37 2015 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:04:37 +0000 Subject: [PSF-Community] Research on teaching Python vs. other languages? In-Reply-To: <562FD83C.5090503@nedbatchelder.com> References: <562FD83C.5090503@nedbatchelder.com> Message-ID: <562FD8D5.4020201@ntoll.org> On 27/10/15 20:02, Ned Batchelder wrote: > A friend at a CS department is advocating to switch to Python as the > teaching language rather than Java. Some of his peers would like some > evidence (research?) that Python is better-suited as a first language. > Anyone have links to such a thing? > > --Ned. > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community Not wishing to blow my own trumpet here... but I wrote "Python in Education" (a free download from O'Reilly) for precisely a moment like this! http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp It's not research, more a manifesto. It's not very long and shouldn't take much more than 30 minutes to read cover-to-cover. Happy to answer questions. N. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of his peers would like some > > evidence (research?) that Python is better-suited as a first language. > > Anyone have links to such a thing? > > > > --Ned. > > _______________________________________________ > > PSF-Community mailing list > > PSF-Community at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > > Not wishing to blow my own trumpet here... but I wrote "Python in > Education" (a free download from O'Reilly) for precisely a moment like > this! > > http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp > > It's not research, more a manifesto. It's not very long and shouldn't > take much more than 30 minutes to read cover-to-cover. > > Happy to answer questions. > > N. > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of his peers would like some >> > evidence (research?) that Python is better-suited as a first language. >> > Anyone have links to such a thing? >> > >> > --Ned. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > PSF-Community mailing list >> > PSF-Community at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community >> >> Not wishing to blow my own trumpet here... but I wrote "Python in >> Education" (a free download from O'Reilly) for precisely a moment like >> this! >> >> http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp >> >> It's not research, more a manifesto. It's not very long and shouldn't >> take much more than 30 minutes to read cover-to-cover. >> >> Happy to answer questions. >> >> N. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PSF-Community mailing list >> PSF-Community at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community >> > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mistryhitul007 at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 16:13:05 2015 From: mistryhitul007 at gmail.com (Hitul Mistry) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 01:43:05 +0530 Subject: [PSF-Community] Research on teaching Python vs. other languages? In-Reply-To: <562FD83C.5090503@nedbatchelder.com> References: <562FD83C.5090503@nedbatchelder.com> Message-ID: Hello Ned, You should choose language based on your research. Different programming language solves different problems but they lack at some point so study for both and then take decision. Thanks & Regards Hitul Mistry M. +91 9974729554 On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:32 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > A friend at a CS department is advocating to switch to Python as the > teaching language rather than Java. Some of his peers would like some > evidence (research?) that Python is better-suited as a first language. > Anyone have links to such a thing? > > --Ned. > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goffi at goffi.org Tue Oct 27 16:30:50 2015 From: goffi at goffi.org (Goffi) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 21:30:50 +0100 Subject: [PSF-Community] Python based advanced XMPP client/social network looking for help ! In-Reply-To: References: <10257421.CnblDqjqCs@necton3> Message-ID: <1493083.iFEDOYKm0Q@necton3> Hi Le mardi 27 octobre 2015 12:16:49, vous avez ?crit : > Wow! This seems amazing. I have been wanting something like this for a > long time. > > Kudos on using Twisted. Thanks :) > Have you considered hendrix for the frontend? It will make it easy to use > Django, Pyramid, or Flask and still keep the websockets easy. Nope, didn't knew about hendrix. We use long polling for now, and we were planing to move to websocket at the same time as we move to Brython. I need to read the docs, but I think Brython already manage websockets, and I have seen a txWebSocket around, so I don't think it will be the most difficult part. For the static blog (we have a static blog accessible to everybody in addition to the dynamic one you have once loggued) we have started to use jinja2 in the dev version, we don't really need more at the moment. Thanks for your feedback Goffi From ctbrown at ucdavis.edu Tue Oct 27 16:37:09 2015 From: ctbrown at ucdavis.edu (C. Titus Brown) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:37:09 -0700 Subject: [PSF-Community] Research on teaching Python vs. other languages? In-Reply-To: <562FD83C.5090503@nedbatchelder.com> References: <562FD83C.5090503@nedbatchelder.com> Message-ID: <20151027203709.GA28640@idyll.org> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 04:02:04PM -0400, Ned Batchelder wrote: > A friend at a CS department is advocating to switch to Python as the > teaching language rather than Java. Some of his peers would like some > evidence (research?) that Python is better-suited as a first language. > Anyone have links to such a thing? Hi Ned, in addition to the other great suggestions, please see this research work: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1734437 showing """ Python versus C++ CS1 preparation was not a predictor of performance in any course. We conclude again that in our C++ based curriculum changing CS1 to Python had no negative impact on student performance and did not require any significant change in those subsequent courses. """ Bill and Rich have a substantial body of knowledge in this area and I'd be happy to introduce you to them; they're former colleagues at Michigan State and quite nice people! I think I can say that the chief advantage they got out of switching to Python at Michigan State was in the engagement of non-CS majors in the course. An awful lot of people found the course much more useful to their research and work when it was taught in Python than when it was taught in C++, which helped with attendance and follow-through in the courses. cheers, --titus -- C. Titus Brown, ctbrown at ucdavis.edu From vasudevram at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 16:37:08 2015 From: vasudevram at gmail.com (Vasudev Ram) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 02:07:08 +0530 Subject: [PSF-Community] Research on teaching Python vs. other languages? In-Reply-To: References: <562FD83C.5090503@nedbatchelder.com> Message-ID: Hi, I was going to say the same thing as Don above, about Python recently becoming the most popular choice or some such, in (top?) US Univs (forget the exact details, but Don's link should have it.) There was a thread on HN about it a while ago too. Using hn.algolia.com with appropriate parameters and keywords should find the thread, it usually works well for me. Also, the Indian CBSE (Central Board of Secondary Education) was supposed to have introduced Python as a subject or a/the programming language, a year or so ago.. Haven't followed up news after that. - Vasudev --- Vasudev Ram - Dancing Bison Enterprises Fellow at the Python Software Foundation Independent software consultant and trainer - Python, C, Linux, databases, open source About: http://jugad2.blogspot.in/p/about-vasudev-ram.html LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/vasudevram ActiveState Code recipes: https://code.activestate.com/recipes/users/4173351 On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Hitul Mistry wrote: > Hello Ned, > > You should choose language based on your research. Different programming > language solves different problems but they lack at some point so study for > both and then take decision. > > Thanks & Regards > Hitul Mistry > M. +91 9974729554 > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:32 AM, Ned Batchelder > wrote: >> >> A friend at a CS department is advocating to switch to Python as the >> teaching language rather than Java. Some of his peers would like some >> evidence (research?) that Python is better-suited as a first language. >> Anyone have links to such a thing? >> >> --Ned. >> _______________________________________________ >> PSF-Community mailing list >> PSF-Community at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > > > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > From diana.joan.clarke at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 22:42:17 2015 From: diana.joan.clarke at gmail.com (Diana Clarke) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:42:17 -0400 Subject: [PSF-Community] PSF Board Meeting Minutes - 2015-09-24 Message-ID: Hi folks: The PSF board meeting minutes from September 24th, 2015 are now available online: https://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2015-09-24/ The following grants (https://www.python.org/psf/grants/) were approved since the last meeting, totalling $15,699 USD. - Django Girls Budapest https://djangogirls.org/budapest/ Budapest, Hungary November 21-22, 2015 Amount: $567 USD - PyCon Poland http://pl.pycon.org/2015/index.html Ossa, Poland October 15-18, 2015 Amount: $3,000 USD - Astroplan, conference travel request http://dotastronomy.com/events/seven/ Sydney, Australia November 2015 Amount: $2,250 USD - PyConES http://2015.es.pycon.org/en/ Valencia, Spain November 20-22, 2015 Amount: $3,000 USD - Django Carrots France http://www.4ideas.fr/project/DjangoCarrots PyCon France October 18-20, 2015 Amount: $1,750 USD - PyCon CZ https://cz.pycon.org/2015/ Brno, Czech Republic November 14-15, 2015 Amount: $2,000 USD - PySS 2015 http://pyss15.pyss.org/en/ San Sebastian, Spain October 24-25, 2015 Amount: $1,000 USD - Django Girls Novi Sad https://djangogirls.org/novisad/ Novi Sad, Serbia October 24, 2015 Amount: $500 USD - Django Girls Mbale https://djangogirls.org/mbale/ Mbale, Uganda October 31, 2015 Amount: $750 USD - Django Girls at PyConES https://djangogirls.org/pycones2015/ Valencia, Spain November 20, 2015 Amount: $750 USD - Hong Kong Python User Group, Meetup.com Fee http://www.meetup.com/pythonhk/ Amount: $30 USD - Helsinki PyLadies, Meetup.com Fee http://www.meetup.com/Helsinki-PyLadies/ Amount: $12 USD - Puget Sound Programming Python (PuPPy), Meetup.com Fee http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/ Amount: $90 USD For more updates from the PSF, please visit our blog and follow us on Twitter. https://twitter.com/ThePSF https://pyfound.blogspot.com/ Here are a few of the more recent blog posts from the PSF: http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2015/10/twisted-trial-ported-to-python-3.html http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2015/10/bbcs-microbit-project-open-sourced-today.html http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2015/10/python-in-cameroon-success.html Cheers, --diana From goffi at goffi.org Tue Oct 27 08:12:35 2015 From: goffi at goffi.org (Goffi) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:12:35 +0100 Subject: [PSF-Community] Python based advanced XMPP client/social network looking for help ! Message-ID: <8171582.8CDA56O5Iu@necton3> Hi there, even if I'm using python for years, I just applied to PSF and subscribed to this list, and this seems the right place to talk about our project. We are working on a free (AGPL v3+), decentralized, encrypted and feature-full communication tool (or ?social network?) made in Python (technical details below). We are a non-profit association focusing on ethic (see http://salut-a-toi.org/social_contract.html), and the project is based on XMPP. But XMPP is not only about instant messaging, we also work a log on blogging/microblogging, file sharing, and this kind of stuff. We have just launched a small crowdfunding campaign to port our project to Android (and make a new desktop frontend at the same time) by using Kivy and its Python for Android/Buildozer tools: http://www.arizuka.com/en/projects/libervia . We are looking for help to: get some visibility (technical people know us in France because we attend a lot of free software events, but not elsewhere), get help for the code, and succeed the crowdfunding campaign. I hope I'm in the right place to talk about this. TECHNICAL DETAILS: We are on a backend/frontend architecture, the backend being based on Twisted, the frontends communicate using D-Bus (or potentially any IPC). We have a Web, CLI, and console frontend, we used to have a desktop one based on wxWidgets (wxPython) but we have deprecated it (we will replace it by the Kivy frontend). We are Python 2.7 because we use Twisted, but as you probably know there are progress in Twisted port to Python 3, so we hope to be able to port the project to Python 3 in 2016. Because we use D-Bus, each frontend can be made in any language, but we have made all of them in Python so far (except one draft Qt one in C++). The CLI frontend use argparse, and we are probably are on the way to have the most advanced XMPP CLI client. The console frontend is based on Urwid, and modal (inspired from vi/vim). The Web frontend is 100% python too because we are using Pyjamas for Python => JS transcompilation. But as you may known there have been some huge issues with Pyjamas, and the project is now dead (we have tried to revive it without success), so we are now thinking about porting it to Brython in 2016. We are pushing XMPP, and we are among the pioneer (with Movim and Jappix) in microblogging implementation with XMPP. We have written XEP (XEP-0355 and XEP-0356) to implement what we need, and we are working on other ones. We also work on the server side with a PubSub component, a directory, and this kind of things. The project is *very* large, well advanced (started in 2008), and we have overcame the major issues we had with XMPP, next release should start to be very useful (a full decentralized blogging engine). We have a lot of features an try to do experimentation (e.g.: http://www.goffi.org/post/2014/02/18/A-universal-remote-for-your-softwares ). This is a unique tool in Python world and in free software world in general. But we have really difficulties to get visibility or support, that's why I'm asking some help here. I hope this long message is a good introduction. Our website: http://salut-a-toi.org web frontend demo: http://www.libervia.org (beware: outdated version, and everything is empty at the beginning, you need to add some contacts to test) our campaign for desktop/Android frontend: http://www.arizuka.com/en/projects/libervia Thanks a lot! J?r?me Poisson aka Goffi