From fselker at selkermetrics.com Mon May 3 05:49:59 2010 From: fselker at selkermetrics.com (Frank Selker) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 20:49:59 -0700 Subject: [portland] Looking for NumPy etc. Teacher in Portland Message-ID: <4BDE47E7.2000807@selkermetrics.com> Our little teeny company is considering changing over from MatLab to Python and 2-3 of us would like to find someone in Portland (or Corvallis) who could teach us with numerical tools for Python such as NumPy. We'd like to find someone very proficient with manipulating and processing large data sets - filtering, averaging, manipulating, plotting including 3-d and animation of data plots. If you know of someone in Portland who would be able and interested in doing some training, please let me know. Thank you, Frank Selker (541) 829-9781 From keturn at keturn.net Tue May 11 04:23:25 2010 From: keturn at keturn.net (keturn at keturn.net) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [portland] Meliae postponed Message-ID: <13445004.2235.1273544607254.JavaMail.seven@ap2b.trial.red.7sys.net> Hi Pythians, Due to unforeseen technical difficulties, I will not be presenting Meliae to you tomorrow night. I hope we can do this another time. Tangentially, if you have recommendations on how to get a ViewSonic LCD repaired, I'd like to know. See you tomorrow, - Kevin From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Tue May 11 16:16:57 2010 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:16:57 -0700 Subject: [portland] Meliae postponed In-Reply-To: <13445004.2235.1273544607254.JavaMail.seven@ap2b.trial.red.7sys.net> References: <13445004.2235.1273544607254.JavaMail.seven@ap2b.trial.red.7sys.net> Message-ID: <1159BF3F-59B4-4D01-9537-49C6FA4CAE19@phaedrusdeinus.org> I'm still happy to do the profile/cProfile talk, though it's hardly going to fill a whole meeting. Any last-minute presentation possibilities? -johnnnn On 2010-05-10, at 7:23 PM, keturn at keturn.net wrote: > Hi Pythians, > > Due to unforeseen technical difficulties, I will not be presenting Meliae to you tomorrow night. I hope we can do this another time. > > Tangentially, if you have recommendations on how to get a ViewSonic LCD repaired, I'd like to know. > > See you tomorrow, > > - Kevin > _______________________________________________ > Portland mailing list > Portland at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland > From jek at discorporate.us Tue May 11 19:52:57 2010 From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:52:57 -0700 Subject: [portland] Meeting TONIGHT: "What the heck is going on?!" plus Xapian & xodb plus Pizza! Message-ID: Pythonistas, Please join us tonight at 6:30pm for May's Portland Python User Group meeting, with pizza provided by VanderHouwen & Associates! Tonight's meeting is in three acts: - Act I: "What the heck is going on?!" Featuring John Melesky presenting profile/cProfile as Michel's Monthly Module, AND several lightning talks on code execution, runtime instrumentation and source code analysis tools. (Kevin's presentation on Meliae, the memory debugging tool, has been delayed.) - Act II: Full Text Search with Python and Xapian Wherein Michel Pelletier will discuss working with Xapian, its Python API, the xodb Python toolkit, indexing and querying, and neat search tricks like term suggestion & faceting. - Act III: Beer A predictable conclusion to be sure, but delicious all the same. The fun starts at 6:30. (Please don't arrive earlier than 6:15.) Tuesday May 11th 2010 6:30pm at Webtrends - The guard at the front desk will let you in & up 851 SW 6th Ave. Map to Webtrends, etc. at http://www.meetup.com/pdxpython/ I hope to see everyone there! Cheers, Jason From jek at discorporate.us Tue May 11 19:54:50 2010 From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:54:50 -0700 Subject: [portland] Meliae postponed In-Reply-To: <13445004.2235.1273544607254.JavaMail.seven@ap2b.trial.red.7sys.net> References: <13445004.2235.1273544607254.JavaMail.seven@ap2b.trial.red.7sys.net> Message-ID: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:23 PM, keturn at keturn.net wrote: > Hi Pythians, > > Due to unforeseen technical difficulties, I will not be presenting Meliae to you tomorrow night. ?I hope we can do this another time. > > Tangentially, if you have recommendations on how to get a ViewSonic LCD repaired, I'd like to know. > > See you tomorrow, Sorry to hear that Kevin. I hope we can hear about it in a future meeting! Cheers, Jason From freyley at gmail.com Wed May 12 19:30:26 2010 From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:30:26 -0700 Subject: [portland] lightning talk link: Test Logger Message-ID: Hey, Somebody asked for a link to the code I showed last night, so here it is. http://github.com/freyley/pytestlogger I haven't maintained it, but I will if anyone says "hey, I want to use that." So send me an email if you want. =) Thanks, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adam at therobots.org Wed May 12 20:04:08 2010 From: adam at therobots.org (Adam Lowry) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:04:08 -0700 Subject: [portland] lightning talk link: Test Logger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C0272B9-036A-4577-A40F-67CE53C5E0FE@therobots.org> Thanks, Jeff -- it's a very cool idea. Someone mentioned that I talked *extremely* fast last night when I demoed repoze.profile, so I thought I'd send along links: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/repoze.profile And here's how I added it as middleware to a wsgi app: from repoze.profile.profiler import AccumulatingProfileMiddleware app = make_app() return AccumulatingProfileMiddleware( app, log_filename='werkprof.log', cachegrind_filename='cachegrind.out.bar', discard_first_request=True, flush_at_shutdown=True, path='/__profile__' ) app = repoze.profile.ProfilingMiddleware(app) And after that the profile GUI is on the same server, running at /__profile__ (the middleware hijacks this path). Adam On May 12, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Jeff Schwaber wrote: > Hey, > > Somebody asked for a link to the code I showed last night, so here it is. > > http://github.com/freyley/pytestlogger > > I haven't maintained it, but I will if anyone says "hey, I want to use > that." 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I submitted two of the dozen-odd Python proposals > they passed on. ?:-) Wow, that sucks. I had just assumed we, the local Python community, had dropped the ball on this one, but it doesn't sound like it. Seems a million PHP proposals popped up as soon as they started accepting proposals. Sorry to hear your talk wasn't accepted. I enjoyed your Django talk last year. iirc it was a packed room and the talk was very well received. Next year maybe we'll have to organize some nights to get together and help each other craft great proposals. From chris at lofiart.com Thu May 13 18:28:04 2010 From: chris at lofiart.com (Chris Pitzer) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:28:04 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: just being honest - I was excited about os bridge until I heard the talks they selected. :( (oh - and I pitched a geodjango talk and a django/python/wsgi talk - no dice.) On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Michael Schurter < michael at susens-schurter.com> wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Dylan Reinhardt > wrote: > > Is it just me, or did Python majorly get the finger from Open Source > Bridge? > > > > 90 sessions in all and only two that even *mention* Python. Only one of > > those seems to actually be *about* Python. Unless you could Postgres, I > > guess. Maybe that's two, it's tough to tell. > > > > Seriously, there are more sessions about Haskell and non-relational > > databases than stuff you might actually use? More than twice as many > > presentations on PHP than Python, Perl and Ruby combined? > > > > Probably just jealous... I submitted two of the dozen-odd Python > proposals > > they passed on. :-) > > Wow, that sucks. I had just assumed we, the local Python community, > had dropped the ball on this one, but it doesn't sound like it. Seems > a million PHP proposals popped up as soon as they started accepting > proposals. > > Sorry to hear your talk wasn't accepted. I enjoyed your Django talk > last year. iirc it was a packed room and the talk was very well > received. > > Next year maybe we'll have to organize some nights to get together and > help each other craft great proposals. > _______________________________________________ > Portland mailing list > Portland at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Thu May 13 18:30:20 2010 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:30:20 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2010-05-13, at 8:43 AM, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > Is it just me, or did Python majorly get the finger from Open Source Bridge? > > 90 sessions in all and only two that even *mention* Python. 1- I count 3: libcloud, OpenStreetMap, and RDMA[1] 2- There's only one perl talk, by the same method. Though that's clearly about perl 3- There are no ruby talks by that method. I do see 5 PHP talks, though. So python doesn't look particularly screwed to me, though you might conceivably make the argument that dynamic languages, as a group, were (only 1 javascript talk). It's also possible that my methodology is crap. Indeed, i suspect that's true. -johnnnnnn [1] methodology: go to http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2010/sessions and search in page for "python". From sgarman at zenlinux.com Thu May 13 18:47:30 2010 From: sgarman at zenlinux.com (Scott Garman) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:47:30 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BEC2D22.8000306@zenlinux.com> On 05/13/2010 08:43 AM, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > Is it just me, or did Python majorly get the finger from Open Source > Bridge? I hope you'll give the volunteers of this conference the benefit of the doubt that their intentions were not malicious toward the python community. > 90 sessions in all and only two that even *mention* Python. Only one > of those seems to actually be *about* Python. Unless you could > Postgres, I guess. Maybe that's two, it's tough to tell. I agree that is unfortunate. FWIW my talk on OpenEmbedded will involve a lot of focus on BitBake, a python-based build tool. AFAIK the proposal selection process was all volunteer-driven, openly announced, and anyone could show up and have a role in it. If few of the reviewers were python people, they might not have understood/appreciated the proposals from this group. It sounds like next time it would be a good idea to get some pdxpython representation on the proposal selection committee, and also possibly work with them to come up with a way to ensure greater balance with the technologies represented. Just some thoughts, Scott -- Scott Garman sgarman at zenlinux dot com From python at dylanreinhardt.com Thu May 13 19:07:53 2010 From: python at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:07:53 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I missed OpenStreetMap. So three. :-) Obviously, there's more of a "culture" focus at OSB than an "implementation" focus and Python isn't really heavy into culture. That's one of the things I value about Python, actually. It's just frustrating to see Python losing conference mojo at more or less the exact moment it's gaining so much traction in the corporate world. Somehow, that strikes me as not a coincidence. Whatever. I'll probably go anyway. :-) Dylan On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:30 AM, John Melesky wrote: > On 2010-05-13, at 8:43 AM, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > > Is it just me, or did Python majorly get the finger from Open Source > Bridge? > > > > 90 sessions in all and only two that even *mention* Python. > > 1- I count 3: libcloud, OpenStreetMap, and RDMA[1] > 2- There's only one perl talk, by the same method. Though that's clearly > about perl > 3- There are no ruby talks by that method. > > I do see 5 PHP talks, though. > > So python doesn't look particularly screwed to me, though you might > conceivably make the argument that dynamic languages, as a group, were (only > 1 javascript talk). It's also possible that my methodology is crap. Indeed, > i suspect that's true. > > -johnnnnnn > > > [1] methodology: go to http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2010/sessionsand search in page for "python". > > _______________________________________________ > Portland mailing list > Portland at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adam at therobots.org Thu May 13 19:10:23 2010 From: adam at therobots.org (Adam Lowry) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:10:23 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24F5625A-ABB7-4F96-BC70-147DE2D5F8C1@therobots.org> There's also a talk on Sphinx, the Python doc tool (the talk seems to purposefully address using it in non-python projects, which is probably a good thing). Adam On May 13, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > I missed OpenStreetMap. So three. :-) > > Obviously, there's more of a "culture" focus at OSB than an "implementation" > focus and Python isn't really heavy into culture. That's one of the things > I value about Python, actually. > > It's just frustrating to see Python losing conference mojo at more or less > the exact moment it's gaining so much traction in the corporate world. > Somehow, that strikes me as not a coincidence. > > Whatever. I'll probably go anyway. :-) > > Dylan > > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:30 AM, John Melesky wrote: > >> On 2010-05-13, at 8:43 AM, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: >>> Is it just me, or did Python majorly get the finger from Open Source >> Bridge? >>> >>> 90 sessions in all and only two that even *mention* Python. >> >> 1- I count 3: libcloud, OpenStreetMap, and RDMA[1] >> 2- There's only one perl talk, by the same method. Though that's clearly >> about perl >> 3- There are no ruby talks by that method. >> >> I do see 5 PHP talks, though. >> >> So python doesn't look particularly screwed to me, though you might >> conceivably make the argument that dynamic languages, as a group, were (only >> 1 javascript talk). It's also possible that my methodology is crap. Indeed, >> i suspect that's true. >> >> -johnnnnnn >> >> >> [1] methodology: go to http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2010/sessionsand search in page for "python". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Portland mailing list >> Portland at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > _______________________________________________ > Portland mailing list > Portland at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland From selena at opensourcebridge.org Thu May 13 21:02:03 2010 From: selena at opensourcebridge.org (Selena Deckelmann) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:02:03 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and python: a proposal Message-ID: Hi folks, So, I heard through the grapevine that folks weren't happy with the coverage of python at OS Bridge. And I read through the thread. I have a suggestion at the bottom of this message that I hope you will consider, but first - here's a bunch of stuff I typed out that I hope you will read: First, let me say, I am totally excited that you care enough to read through our schedule and comment on it. I think in the future, we need to provide a way to look at suggested talks in a schedule-like interface so that folks can provide more feedback earlier on (especially before the committee makes selections!) regarding what they'd like to see. I say this because we posted the session list a while ago, and didn't receive any feedback about the lack of python. Second, it would have been greatly helpful to have had more people volunteering early on around the conference program and shaping of what the conference was going to become. We did have a member of the python community involved in talk selection, but because of scheduling (mostly my fault) we didn't really have as much interaction as I would have liked to have. Now, we're, of course, interested in day-of volunteers, but with only two weeks to go until the event.. it's tough to change the direction of a fast-moving train. Finally, the conference is definitely about cross-language collaboration, crazy and silly ideas, cultural hacking and what it means for us to be collaborating both in Portland, and around the world on code that we really care about. So, we don't emphasize any particular language. There was a fair bit of PHP this year - probably because the talks suggested by PHP folks seemed particularly interesting to the committee. We didn't actually get that many Ruby proposals, and while there were a lot of Perl proposals, I believe we only accepted one. We got a lot of functional language talks, and a ton of things involving infrastructure/operations/engineering. I think this reflects some of the problems that our peers are focused on right now. Or at least the folks that submitted talks. :) All that said, there are a couple openings for talks left. So here is what I propose: If this group would like to nominate a particular proposal for inclusion, I'm happy to do that. We reserve a few slots for last-minute changes, and so this is not out of protocol to do so. This all of course this depends on who is available, etc. But if you'd like to as a group organize something and recommend a talk, I will take your recommendation and add it to the schedule as soon as you're ready. -selena -- http://chesnok.com/daily - me From python at dylanreinhardt.com Thu May 13 21:17:50 2010 From: python at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:17:50 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and python: a proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for a thoughtful response, Selena. Since I started this thread by griping, I should probably start by thanking you for your hard work. Thank you. I would have commented on your session list earlier, but I was unaware that you had made final selections until this morning, when it occurred to me that I should check if I was on the hook for the Django session that I submitted. My bad, probably. Your offer to nominate an additional Python session is a generous one. I hope this touches off a discussion here about what we might suggest. Dylan On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Selena Deckelmann < selena at opensourcebridge.org> wrote: > Hi folks, > > So, I heard through the grapevine that folks weren't happy with the > coverage of python at OS Bridge. > > And I read through the thread. I have a suggestion at the bottom of > this message that I hope you will consider, but first - here's a bunch > of stuff I typed out that I hope you will read: > > First, let me say, I am totally excited that you care enough to read > through our schedule and comment on it. I think in the future, we need > to provide a way to look at suggested talks in a schedule-like > interface so that folks can provide more feedback earlier on > (especially before the committee makes selections!) regarding what > they'd like to see. I say this because we posted the session list a > while ago, and didn't receive any feedback about the lack of python. > > Second, it would have been greatly helpful to have had more people > volunteering early on around the conference program and shaping of > what the conference was going to become. We did have a member of the > python community involved in talk selection, but because of scheduling > (mostly my fault) we didn't really have as much interaction as I would > have liked to have. Now, we're, of course, interested in day-of > volunteers, but with only two weeks to go until the event.. it's tough > to change the direction of a fast-moving train. > > Finally, the conference is definitely about cross-language > collaboration, crazy and silly ideas, cultural hacking and what it > means for us to be collaborating both in Portland, and around the > world on code that we really care about. So, we don't emphasize any > particular language. There was a fair bit of PHP this year - probably > because the talks suggested by PHP folks seemed particularly > interesting to the committee. We didn't actually get that many Ruby > proposals, and while there were a lot of Perl proposals, I believe we > only accepted one. We got a lot of functional language talks, and a > ton of things involving infrastructure/operations/engineering. I think > this reflects some of the problems that our peers are focused on right > now. Or at least the folks that submitted talks. :) > > All that said, there are a couple openings for talks left. So here is > what I propose: > > If this group would like to nominate a particular proposal for > inclusion, I'm happy to do that. We reserve a few slots for > last-minute changes, and so this is not out of protocol to do so. This > all of course this depends on who is available, etc. But if you'd like > to as a group organize something and recommend a talk, I will take > your recommendation and add it to the schedule as soon as you're > ready. > > -selena > > -- > http://chesnok.com/daily - me > _______________________________________________ > Portland mailing list > Portland at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From freyley at gmail.com Thu May 13 21:31:23 2010 From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:31:23 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and python: a proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Selena, for the thoughtfulness. I'd love to see a couple of the things from Tuesday put together into a wider scale profiling talk. Scalability seems to be always be a hot topic, and a good profiling talk could really appeal to folks from other language communities too. Thanks, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From selenamarie at gmail.com Thu May 13 21:31:30 2010 From: selenamarie at gmail.com (Selena Deckelmann) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:31:30 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and python: a proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > Thanks for a thoughtful response, Selena. ?Since I started this thread by > griping, I should probably start by thanking you for your hard work. Thank > you. Thanks! Seriously. :) And really, lots of other people are doing the heavy lifting this year (Igal, Jen, Christie, Reid, Sherri, Eric and I have been meeting weekly or so for the last couple months. And we've had a cadre of awesome volunteers.). And thank you for complaining - really. I consider complaints to be valuable feedback, and hope that we can work toward making this better. > I would have commented on your session list earlier, but I was unaware that > you had made final selections until this morning, when it occurred to me > that I should check if I was on the hook for the Django session that I > submitted. ?My bad, probably. Huh. I have a record of sending you an email about that, but maybe it got lost in spam land. This is another thing we should probably figure out - maybe an email call-and-response when people first submit talks, so that we can get into addressbooks before we send out acceptances and regrets. > Your offer to nominate an additional Python session is a generous one. I > hope this touches off a discussion here about what we might suggest. Sweet! -selena -- http://chesnok.com/daily - me From kirby.urner at gmail.com Fri May 14 07:12:32 2010 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 22:12:32 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > I missed OpenStreetMap. ?So three. ?:-) > > Obviously, there's more of a "culture" focus at OSB than an "implementation" > focus and Python isn't really heavy into culture. ?That's one of the things > I value about Python, actually. > I value the culture, one of Python's fortes. Lightning Talks for example. I shared that practice with students in Baltimore recently, went over well. > It's just frustrating to see Python losing conference mojo at more or less > the exact moment it's gaining so much traction in the corporate world. > Somehow, that strikes me as not a coincidence. > A conspiracy theory? Speaking of "corporate world" I saw that bit about the SEC adopting Python in the name of "more transparency" -- welcomed some of the cynical comments about it (seemed like PR stunt, given the badly tarnished SEC reputation). > Whatever. ?I'll probably go anyway. :-) > > Dylan > I participated quite a bit in last years OS Bridge and used that position of privilege to advocate for my own Python talk, which I seriously doubt woulda seen the light of day otherwise. Although I didn't pack the room, I did get to network with educators, leading to a followup workshop and plans to get Python into high school math classrooms in many world class institutions (maybe even in Portland -- Saturday Academy has it already). Mathematics for the Digital Age and Programming in Python (Skylit Publishing) by Gary and Maria Litvin is used at Phillips Andover these days. I've been in public conversation with Gary on Python's edu-sig as well as math-thinking-l (the latter being a functional programming nest, somewhat hostile to Python, or any imperative language). My thanks to Selena et al for going forward with a 2nd one. OS Bridge is a great opportunity to meet people. Kirby From ethan at stoneleaf.us Fri May 14 17:05:04 2010 From: ethan at stoneleaf.us (Ethan Furman) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 08:05:04 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and python: a proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BED66A0.9070509@stoneleaf.us> Selena Deckelmann wrote: > Hi folks, > > If this group would like to nominate a particular proposal for > inclusion, I'm happy to do that. Awesome! Thank you, Selena! (And everyone else there. :) Is there a place that has the proposals available to choose from? I wasn't able to find it on the web-site. ~Ethan~ From dylanr at dylanreinhardt.com Fri May 14 14:31:23 2010 From: dylanr at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:31:23 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F9ECB94-5C20-485A-B451-690B459D817A@dylanreinhardt.com> On May 13, 2010, at 10:12 PM, kirby urner wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Dylan Reinhardt > wrote: >> I missed OpenStreetMap. So three. :-) >> >> Obviously, there's more of a "culture" focus at OSB than an "implementation" >> focus and Python isn't really heavy into culture. That's one of the things >> I value about Python, actually. >> > > I value the culture, one of Python's fortes. > > Lightning Talks for example. Oh, sure. And I value our sense of humor. But compared with some other communities, Python spends an impressively small amount of time plumbing the depths of its own soul or demonizing outsiders. I like that too. :-) Dylan From kirby.urner at gmail.com Fri May 14 18:18:42 2010 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:18:42 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and Python In-Reply-To: <1F9ECB94-5C20-485A-B451-690B459D817A@dylanreinhardt.com> References: <1F9ECB94-5C20-485A-B451-690B459D817A@dylanreinhardt.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > On May 13, 2010, at 10:12 PM, kirby urner wrote: > >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Dylan Reinhardt >> wrote: >>> I missed OpenStreetMap. ?So three. ?:-) >>> >>> Obviously, there's more of a "culture" focus at OSB than an "implementation" >>> focus and Python isn't really heavy into culture. ?That's one of the things >>> I value about Python, actually. >>> >> >> I value the culture, one of Python's fortes. >> >> Lightning Talks for example. > > > Oh, sure. And I value our sense of humor. > > But compared with some other communities, Python spends an impressively small amount of time plumbing the depths of its own soul or demonizing outsiders. I like that too. :-) > > Dylan Yes. I'm always impressed how the Django people tend to invite not-Python people to give keynotes 'n stuff. Kaplan-Moss says good things about Ruby on Rails etc. I also enjoy the "why Python (or some feature thereof) sucks" theme for some talks, usually with constructive suggestions. Kirby From john at phaedrusdeinus.org Fri May 14 17:36:12 2010 From: john at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 08:36:12 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and python: a proposal In-Reply-To: <4BED66A0.9070509@stoneleaf.us> References: <4BED66A0.9070509@stoneleaf.us> Message-ID: <36136F32-CAAA-4DE5-8695-DEBDCCD9941E@phaedrusdeinus.org> On 2010-05-14, at 8:05 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: > Is there a place that has the proposals available to choose from? I wasn't able to find it on the web-site. The proposals page is still up, though i don't think it's linked from anywhere: http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2010/proposals -johnnnn From ethan at stoneleaf.us Fri May 14 19:34:30 2010 From: ethan at stoneleaf.us (Ethan Furman) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 10:34:30 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and python: a proposal In-Reply-To: <36136F32-CAAA-4DE5-8695-DEBDCCD9941E@phaedrusdeinus.org> References: <4BED66A0.9070509@stoneleaf.us> <36136F32-CAAA-4DE5-8695-DEBDCCD9941E@phaedrusdeinus.org> Message-ID: <4BED89A6.4030008@stoneleaf.us> John Melesky wrote: > The proposals page is still up, though i don't think it's linked from anywhere: > > http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2010/proposals Thanks, John! I'll cast my vote for "Why the Plone CMS is a good fit for Higher Education and Research", with the other Plone talk (Social Change with Plone) as second choice. ~Ethan~ From python at dylanreinhardt.com Fri May 14 20:11:19 2010 From: python at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:11:19 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and python: a proposal In-Reply-To: <4BED89A6.4030008@stoneleaf.us> References: <4BED66A0.9070509@stoneleaf.us> <36136F32-CAAA-4DE5-8695-DEBDCCD9941E@phaedrusdeinus.org> <4BED89A6.4030008@stoneleaf.us> Message-ID: I'd put in a vote for the profiling talk. That sounds cool. $.02 On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: > John Melesky wrote: > >> The proposals page is still up, though i don't think it's linked from >> anywhere: >> >> http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2010/proposals >> > > Thanks, John! > > I'll cast my vote for "Why the Plone CMS is a good fit for Higher Education > and Research", with the other Plone talk (Social Change with Plone) as > second choice. > > ~Ethan~ > > _______________________________________________ > Portland mailing list > Portland at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eday at oddments.org Fri May 14 20:26:09 2010 From: eday at oddments.org (Eric Day) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:26:09 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSB and python: a proposal In-Reply-To: References: <4BED66A0.9070509@stoneleaf.us> <36136F32-CAAA-4DE5-8695-DEBDCCD9941E@phaedrusdeinus.org> <4BED89A6.4030008@stoneleaf.us> Message-ID: <20100514182609.GB29698@oddments.org> Another thing to keep in mind is that Friday of OS Bridge is going to be an un-conference, so show up the day of and throw out ideas for things you would like to talk about. We also have the BoFs open now if anyone is interested in leading any: http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2010bof/proposals Hope to see you there! -Eric On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:11:19AM -0700, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > I'd put in a vote for the profiling talk. That sounds cool. > > $.02 > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > > John Melesky wrote: > > > >> The proposals page is still up, though i don't think it's linked from > >> anywhere: > >> > >> http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2010/proposals > >> > > > > Thanks, John! > > > > I'll cast my vote for "Why the Plone CMS is a good fit for Higher Education > > and Research", with the other Plone talk (Social Change with Plone) as > > second choice. > > > > ~Ethan~ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Portland mailing list > > Portland at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > _______________________________________________ > Portland mailing list > Portland at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland From adam at therobots.org Wed May 19 20:06:17 2010 From: adam at therobots.org (Adam Lowry) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:06:17 -0700 Subject: [portland] Jobs at Urban Airship Message-ID: <6910266B-BAF9-48A4-900B-5B64DACE5611@therobots.org> Hi all, I mentioned this last week at the meeting, but I wanted to send it out on the list to make sure everyone saw it: http://siliconflorist.com/jobs/index.php/view/software-developer http://siliconflorist.com/jobs/index.php/view/support-engineer If you have questions you can ask me directly, or you can send a message through Rick's nice new job board. Adam P.S. PDX Django tonight, if you're interested: http://calagator.org/events/1250458699 http://groups.google.com/group/pdxdjango/browse_thread/thread/f525932a63ed3498 From reidab at gmail.com Fri May 21 20:06:38 2010 From: reidab at gmail.com (Reid Beels) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:06:38 -0700 Subject: [portland] Take the Portland software census (please) Message-ID: Hi Pyhonistas, We've noticed that the Python community is somewhat underrepresented in a survey that some local folks have put together about the state of the software sector in Portland, but we're guessing that's because no one ever told this list about it. :) If you have a ~3 minutes to fill out a quick survey, it would be greatly appreciated. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KTGSH9Q Thanks, Reid ---- more details ---------------------- If you're involved with Portland's software community, you know that there's an amazing variety and depth of work being created at companies large and small, in hobby side-projects, and open source efforts. The City of Portland has selected software as one of its economic development clusters for the economic plan currently being written. Agencies like the Portland Development Commission (PDC) are involved in documenting our software community and developing a plan for working with it, but they lack accurate data on the types of software development local organizations are undertaking, and have limited experience with the kinds of small companies, ad hoc organizations, and independent work that forms much of our technology efforts. We'd like to assist the PDC and City of Portland efforts by initiating a software community census to: ? Gather some basic demographics about Portland's tech community ? Flesh out what work people are doing and for whom ? Build a baseline so we can quantitatively track the community's breadth and depth How can you participate? ? Take the survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KTGSH9Q ? Spread the word to your colleages, coworkers and friends ? We will be posting the results online, so check back with Silicon Florist and your community tech organizations for details. What do we get out of this? This census will: ? Ensure economic development efforts are targeted to what our industry actually needs ? Provide data that can be used to assess the success of economic development efforts ? Create an accurate picture of our amazing tech community (and give us bragging rights at OSCON). ? Market Portland to companies like Involver who are coming to check out Portland! How our work fits into the City of Portland's plans: ? Software is the of the 5 clusters identified in Portland Economic Development Plan. It is the cluster that is least well defined in the plan. ? PDC took the first step with their survey. Now we are helping them flesh out their results and better target their efforts. ? We will be sharing our survey's results directly with the Mayor and PDC's Urban Development Director, Erin Flynn. The survey will be open through the end of May