[Pandas-dev] Remove old mailing lists

[Pietro Battiston]

Marc,

on whether Discourse (or Flarum) is the right tool to best reach/host
our (pydata) community, while not being a fan of Discourse from my very
limited experience (GNOME), I was not rhetorical when I wrote that I
trust what you, and other people who spent time on this, think. I say
this not just because I don't have time now to devote to the issue, but
also because you already did great things for pandas in the past in
terms of community involvement. You definitely know how to reach
people, better than me.

My previous two emails were just pointing out that while the pydata ML
and gitter were probably a suboptimal way to involve our community, the
devs MLs seemed to me to just work fine, and I didn't read of specific
complaints that would justify closing them. Sure, some people had
missed the fact that pandas-dev is open to non-core contributors, but I
think we did some steps in clarifying the options to get in contact
with us:
https://github.com/pandas-dev/pandas-website/issues/68

Then, I might have missed some arguments/conclusions: in this case,
please let me know, and I will stop bothering. But I'm not "against
Discourse".

Cheers,

Pietro

Il giorno mer, 13/11/2019 alle 03.10 +0100, Marc Garcia ha scritto:
> I was granting admin permissions to maintainers on the new Discourse,
> and looks like we've got a limit of 5. Spoke with Discourse support,
> and they want us to pay >$300 per month to have more. I think we
> could live with this, but I'm a bit worried about their open source
> plan being more of a freemium plan they use to make big open source
> projects pay. I was reading the details of the conditions, and seems
> like we also have bandwidth limits we may reach.
> 
> An alternative is to host the instance ourselves. If we do that, we
> can also consider other alternatives. Just seem Flarum, which is in
> beta, but at a first glance it looks like it manages subcategories in
> a way that would make it possible to have a NumFOCUS broad forum. Not
> sure if they have the feature of letting categories/subcategories
> behave as mailing lists, need to research.
> 
> What are your thoughts?
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 9:12 PM Marc Garcia <garcia.marc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > That's the GitHub issue, most of the discussion was in a thread in
> > this (pandas-dev) list. I'm in my phone and can't look for the
> > thread now, but I think it started in the conversation about the
> > website hosting, and then Joris created a separate thread specific
> > to Discourse.
> > 
> > As I said, I have no preference on Discourse (never used it as I
> > said), but I think what we have now is suboptimal, and would be
> > great to have something better. But we had that discussion several
> > weeks ago. We decided to move forward with Discourse at that time.
> > I spent many hours learning about it, and setting it up. So, I'm
> > not really looking forward to start again with this. I'm happy to
> > hand over this to you, if you want to research further and lead the
> > discussion. And implement whatever is best.
> > 
> > But if I need to continue spending time on this myself, I'd
> > appreciate if you can find solutions and not problems. I have no
> > idea about how to set up Discourse as a mailing list, or how to do
> > it for subcommunities. But if you have a specific way you want it
> > to work, please do the research, and propose (and implement) the
> > best solution for all us. Or is your proposal to stay with what we
> > have.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, 20:46 Pietro Battiston, <me at pietrobattiston.it
> > > wrote:
> > > Marc,
> > > 
> > > is the thread you refer to
> > > https://github.com/pandas-dev/pandas/issues/27903 ?
> > > 
> > > Again, I didn't participate in the discussion, I am not
> > > contributing
> > > much lately, and so my opinion is not very important. But I had
> > > followed the discussion, I now checked the thread above, and
> > > while I
> > > derived the idea that Discourse could (and probably should)
> > > replace the
> > > pydata ML as a frontend to users (ideally of pydata, not just
> > > pandas),
> > > I fail to see a real discussion, or even just arguments, in
> > > favour of
> > > replacing the devs MLs.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Il giorno mar, 12/11/2019 alle 20.21 +0100, Marc Garcia ha
> > > scritto:
> > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > As it has been said, Discourse can be set up to work as a
> > > mailing
> > > > list for people who don't want to use the Discourse interface.
> > > So, I
> > > > don't think this should be a reason to not move forward, you'll
> > > just
> > > > need to subscribe elsewhere, and send messages to a different
> > > email
> > > > address.
> > > 
> > > I just read the FAQ about how to "use Discourse via email"... I
> > > guess
> > > we can live with filtering incoming emails by List-ID, but I
> > > don't
> > > understand whether there will be multiple emails address to write
> > > to,
> > > for the different "subcommunities". Could you shed some light?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Pietro
> > > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, 20:46 Pietro Battiston, <me at pietrobattiston.it
> > > wrote:
> > > Marc,
> > > 
> > > is the thread you refer to
> > > https://github.com/pandas-dev/pandas/issues/27903 ?
> > > 
> > > Again, I didn't participate in the discussion, I am not
> > > contributing
> > > much lately, and so my opinion is not very important. But I had
> > > followed the discussion, I now checked the thread above, and
> > > while I
> > > derived the idea that Discourse could (and probably should)
> > > replace the
> > > pydata ML as a frontend to users (ideally of pydata, not just
> > > pandas),
> > > I fail to see a real discussion, or even just arguments, in
> > > favour of
> > > replacing the devs MLs.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Il giorno mar, 12/11/2019 alle 20.21 +0100, Marc Garcia ha
> > > scritto:
> > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > As it has been said, Discourse can be set up to work as a
> > > mailing
> > > > list for people who don't want to use the Discourse interface.
> > > So, I
> > > > don't think this should be a reason to not move forward, you'll
> > > just
> > > > need to subscribe elsewhere, and send messages to a different
> > > email
> > > > address.
> > > 
> > > I just read the FAQ about how to "use Discourse via email"... I
> > > guess
> > > we can live with filtering incoming emails by List-ID, but I
> > > don't
> > > understand whether there will be multiple emails address to write
> > > to,
> > > for the different "subcommunities". Could you shed some light?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Pietro
> > >