From mike at squarepegsystems.com  Thu Mar 14 17:30:31 2013
From: mike at squarepegsystems.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:30:31 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
Message-ID: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>

On the demise of Google Reader, I decided to see if there was a
Python-based Feed Reader that I could bring up. And I did find something --
FeedJack. It hasn't been updated since 2008. :(

I got it at least working (there has been a few deprecated Django features
it was using) and now it at least runs.  I put my work on github if someone
else wants to help me finish this off.

https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack


-- 
Mike Hostetler
SquarePeg Systems
http://www.squarepegsystems.com

From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Mar 14 17:38:16 2013
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:38:16 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
In-Reply-To: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN+aQ9w61zgS+e=bypORsZj9eL3Gk15KHmN-NE=d7QNX0X2Udg@mail.gmail.com>

I've used Feedjack on a few projects. It's a mess. (
http://voices.canonical.com/ is an amalgamation of Feedjack and Wordpress
MU) I've been looking for other alternatives for the last year and played
with a few features in Wordpress, which alas is not Python. After the news
yesterday I stayed up too late last night working on it and documenting it
and now have it set up in about a 15 min process for basic functionality.
You can check out my notes at
http://www.bearfruit.org/2013/03/14/dont-panic-build-your-own-google-reader-in-12-minutes-with-wordpress/and
I would love suggestions on how to improve this.


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Mike Hostetler
<mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:

> On the demise of Google Reader, I decided to see if there was a
> Python-based Feed Reader that I could bring up. And I did find something --
> FeedJack. It hasn't been updated since 2008. :(
>
> I got it at least working (there has been a few deprecated Django features
> it was using) and now it at least runs.  I put my work on github if someone
> else wants to help me finish this off.
>
> https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack
>
>
> --
> Mike Hostetler
> SquarePeg Systems
> http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter

? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?

From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Mar 14 17:47:50 2013
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:47:50 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
In-Reply-To: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN+aQ9zkL6p_vAQ+HB-cvU00mB5xihH9JLVV=tLJCUH1DmYXcA@mail.gmail.com>

On that note, I did remember another tool that is based on Python that
might be worth investigating: Planet Venus (a replacement for Planet
Planet) https://github.com/rubys/venus/ That is what powers
http://planet.ubuntu.com/. It works on the principle of a Python cron job
that generates static HTML.


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Mike Hostetler
<mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:

> On the demise of Google Reader, I decided to see if there was a
> Python-based Feed Reader that I could bring up. And I did find something --
> FeedJack. It hasn't been updated since 2008. :(
>
> I got it at least working (there has been a few deprecated Django features
> it was using) and now it at least runs.  I put my work on github if someone
> else wants to help me finish this off.
>
> https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack
>
>
> --
> Mike Hostetler
> SquarePeg Systems
> http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter

? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Thu Mar 14 17:52:21 2013
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:52:21 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
In-Reply-To: <CAN+aQ9w61zgS+e=bypORsZj9eL3Gk15KHmN-NE=d7QNX0X2Udg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9w61zgS+e=bypORsZj9eL3Gk15KHmN-NE=d7QNX0X2Udg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALHZEO-+jJtV5KyqCKf9vQ8yPau5+EAi31n5tHohkqgB75zi2g@mail.gmail.com>

Mike and Matthew -- Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this.   Annoyed
that goog is dropping my favorite tool outside of search, I've been
grimacing.

I think you both have the right idea about getting out from under the
services yolk of some 3rd party (in this case goog) [They ripped out the
social features from Reader when G+ came on line, and now the are saying --
oooooh users have fallen off.  B*st*rds] {can you sense me not getting I/O
tickets yesterday too?}

attributes in a good reader --

* keeps feed updated when you are away.  RSS only shows X previous stories,
so if you are off line you'll have a gap unless the backend fetches on a
regular basis for you.
* ability to "star" an an entry -  for easier recall
* search
* share
* desktop and phone  UI
* multi-device access with read tracking.


Best,

Jeff

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> I've used Feedjack on a few projects. It's a mess. (
> http://voices.canonical.com/ is an amalgamation of Feedjack and Wordpress
> MU) I've been looking for other alternatives for the last year and played
> with a few features in Wordpress, which alas is not Python. After the news
> yesterday I stayed up too late last night working on it and documenting it
> and now have it set up in about a 15 min process for basic functionality.
> You can check out my notes at
>
> http://www.bearfruit.org/2013/03/14/dont-panic-build-your-own-google-reader-in-12-minutes-with-wordpress/and
> I would love suggestions on how to improve this.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Mike Hostetler
> <mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:
>
> > On the demise of Google Reader, I decided to see if there was a
> > Python-based Feed Reader that I could bring up. And I did find something
> --
> > FeedJack. It hasn't been updated since 2008. :(
> >
> > I got it at least working (there has been a few deprecated Django
> features
> > it was using) and now it at least runs.  I put my work on github if
> someone
> > else wants to help me finish this off.
> >
> > https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mike Hostetler
> > SquarePeg Systems
> > http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
>
> ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Best,

Jeff Hinrichs
402.218.1473

From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 18:06:40 2013
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:06:40 -0700
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
In-Reply-To: <CALHZEO-+jJtV5KyqCKf9vQ8yPau5+EAi31n5tHohkqgB75zi2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9w61zgS+e=bypORsZj9eL3Gk15KHmN-NE=d7QNX0X2Udg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO-+jJtV5KyqCKf9vQ8yPau5+EAi31n5tHohkqgB75zi2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABT9k_APK9uVjj8N90WMD77ovsBweEmTojWz3Yu8o8U_3Dsj2A@mail.gmail.com>

I think a Django based app could be a good solution.  I used feedparser a
lot in my previous job and found it was a really powerful tool.  It would
be easy to create some Django tasks using something like Django Celery that
go out and poll the feeds and scrap them on a regular basis.    With regard
to search, Django Haystack is great for enabling search and indexing of
text.  It can tie into stuff like Solr and Elasticsearch or you can have a
standalone index based on Whoosh.

Very cool thoughts.


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> Mike and Matthew -- Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this.   Annoyed
> that goog is dropping my favorite tool outside of search, I've been
> grimacing.
>
> I think you both have the right idea about getting out from under the
> services yolk of some 3rd party (in this case goog) [They ripped out the
> social features from Reader when G+ came on line, and now the are saying --
> oooooh users have fallen off.  B*st*rds] {can you sense me not getting I/O
> tickets yesterday too?}
>
> attributes in a good reader --
>
> * keeps feed updated when you are away.  RSS only shows X previous stories,
> so if you are off line you'll have a gap unless the backend fetches on a
> regular basis for you.
> * ability to "star" an an entry -  for easier recall
> * search
> * share
> * desktop and phone  UI
> * multi-device access with read tracking.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Jeff
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I've used Feedjack on a few projects. It's a mess. (
> > http://voices.canonical.com/ is an amalgamation of Feedjack and
> Wordpress
> > MU) I've been looking for other alternatives for the last year and played
> > with a few features in Wordpress, which alas is not Python. After the
> news
> > yesterday I stayed up too late last night working on it and documenting
> it
> > and now have it set up in about a 15 min process for basic functionality.
> > You can check out my notes at
> >
> >
> http://www.bearfruit.org/2013/03/14/dont-panic-build-your-own-google-reader-in-12-minutes-with-wordpress/and
> > I would love suggestions on how to improve this.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Mike Hostetler
> > <mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:
> >
> > > On the demise of Google Reader, I decided to see if there was a
> > > Python-based Feed Reader that I could bring up. And I did find
> something
> > --
> > > FeedJack. It hasn't been updated since 2008. :(
> > >
> > > I got it at least working (there has been a few deprecated Django
> > features
> > > it was using) and now it at least runs.  I put my work on github if
> > someone
> > > else wants to help me finish this off.
> > >
> > > https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mike Hostetler
> > > SquarePeg Systems
> > > http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Nuzum
> > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
> >
> > ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Jeff Hinrichs
> 402.218.1473
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From mike at squarepegsystems.com  Thu Mar 14 19:10:00 2013
From: mike at squarepegsystems.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:10:00 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
In-Reply-To: <CABT9k_APK9uVjj8N90WMD77ovsBweEmTojWz3Yu8o8U_3Dsj2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9w61zgS+e=bypORsZj9eL3Gk15KHmN-NE=d7QNX0X2Udg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO-+jJtV5KyqCKf9vQ8yPau5+EAi31n5tHohkqgB75zi2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABT9k_APK9uVjj8N90WMD77ovsBweEmTojWz3Yu8o8U_3Dsj2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1_9RX-pXPS=_OEh_AeZF9JtTCngeGqaWR_6BDf3jBTvGRhAw@mail.gmail.com>

man that is a lot of commentary for a quick email before running lunch
errands.

On the non-techie side:

Free apps going away is, unfortunately, typical in our web-app world. I
think this post from the guy that runs Pinboard really explains it well:
http://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/

So the morale to the story is either pay for it or build it yourself.

I'll save my other rants for Google+. Lots of angry people there.

On the techie-side:

I'll freely admit that I just got FeedJack up to the point that I could see
the webapp working. The images don't display, etc but the Admin goes. The
code is crufty, but that's mostly because it used some things that are no
longer in Django. I've seen worse. Heck, I've written worse.

I also found this, which was spun off of FeedJack:
https://github.com/matagus/django-planet

One thing that is wrong in all of these is feed ownership -- if you want
more than one user on the system, these need some work. My wife doesn't
want to see my Python blogs and I probably don't want to see her food
blogs. But if she is making a recipe and wants me to get things for it,
then it makes sense to share it with me and add a comment. This is really a
killer feature that Google Reader *used* to have, but, as Jeff said, they
shut that off a while ago to force G+  on people.

On the search front: I've used Haystack with Whoosh and was underwhelmed.
It took 4 hours to update the indices on 250k items and took sometimes a
minute to do a search. I have used ElasticSearch in the past and it's nice,
but I don't like having to monitor yet another system to get something to
work.

I've used PostgreSQL's Text Search functionality to replace the Haystack
and it's amazing. Took some work getting it going, but now I don't have to
do anything -- no extra process! Heck, try it yourself:
http://powerhousetoolparts.com/newsearch/?q=type




On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think a Django based app could be a good solution.  I used feedparser a
> lot in my previous job and found it was a really powerful tool.  It would
> be easy to create some Django tasks using something like Django Celery that
> go out and poll the feeds and scrap them on a regular basis.    With regard
> to search, Django Haystack is great for enabling search and indexing of
> text.  It can tie into stuff like Solr and Elasticsearch or you can have a
> standalone index based on Whoosh.
>
> Very cool thoughts.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Mike and Matthew -- Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this.
> Annoyed
> > that goog is dropping my favorite tool outside of search, I've been
> > grimacing.
> >
> > I think you both have the right idea about getting out from under the
> > services yolk of some 3rd party (in this case goog) [They ripped out the
> > social features from Reader when G+ came on line, and now the are saying
> --
> > oooooh users have fallen off.  B*st*rds] {can you sense me not getting
> I/O
> > tickets yesterday too?}
> >
> > attributes in a good reader --
> >
> > * keeps feed updated when you are away.  RSS only shows X previous
> stories,
> > so if you are off line you'll have a gap unless the backend fetches on a
> > regular basis for you.
> > * ability to "star" an an entry -  for easier recall
> > * search
> > * share
> > * desktop and phone  UI
> > * multi-device access with read tracking.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I've used Feedjack on a few projects. It's a mess. (
> > > http://voices.canonical.com/ is an amalgamation of Feedjack and
> > Wordpress
> > > MU) I've been looking for other alternatives for the last year and
> played
> > > with a few features in Wordpress, which alas is not Python. After the
> > news
> > > yesterday I stayed up too late last night working on it and documenting
> > it
> > > and now have it set up in about a 15 min process for basic
> functionality.
> > > You can check out my notes at
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.bearfruit.org/2013/03/14/dont-panic-build-your-own-google-reader-in-12-minutes-with-wordpress/and
> > > I would love suggestions on how to improve this.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Mike Hostetler
> > > <mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > On the demise of Google Reader, I decided to see if there was a
> > > > Python-based Feed Reader that I could bring up. And I did find
> > something
> > > --
> > > > FeedJack. It hasn't been updated since 2008. :(
> > > >
> > > > I got it at least working (there has been a few deprecated Django
> > > features
> > > > it was using) and now it at least runs.  I put my work on github if
> > > someone
> > > > else wants to help me finish this off.
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mike Hostetler
> > > > SquarePeg Systems
> > > > http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthew Nuzum
> > > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
> > >
> > > ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeff Hinrichs
> > 402.218.1473
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Mike Hostetler
SquarePeg Systems
http://www.squarepegsystems.com

From mike at squarepegsystems.com  Thu Mar 14 19:29:35 2013
From: mike at squarepegsystems.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:29:35 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
In-Reply-To: <CAE1_9RX-pXPS=_OEh_AeZF9JtTCngeGqaWR_6BDf3jBTvGRhAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9w61zgS+e=bypORsZj9eL3Gk15KHmN-NE=d7QNX0X2Udg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO-+jJtV5KyqCKf9vQ8yPau5+EAi31n5tHohkqgB75zi2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABT9k_APK9uVjj8N90WMD77ovsBweEmTojWz3Yu8o8U_3Dsj2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1_9RX-pXPS=_OEh_AeZF9JtTCngeGqaWR_6BDf3jBTvGRhAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1_9RWEM03_zA1+H5WO1cnUrBW-xSbnKjuBj6x8RzSu5phzQQ@mail.gmail.com>

And now I looked at feedjack_update.py. Holy crap

https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack/blob/master/feedjack/bin/feedjack_update.py

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hostetler
<mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:

> man that is a lot of commentary for a quick email before running lunch
> errands.
>
> On the non-techie side:
>
> Free apps going away is, unfortunately, typical in our web-app world. I
> think this post from the guy that runs Pinboard really explains it well:
> http://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/
>
> So the morale to the story is either pay for it or build it yourself.
>
> I'll save my other rants for Google+. Lots of angry people there.
>
> On the techie-side:
>
> I'll freely admit that I just got FeedJack up to the point that I could
> see the webapp working. The images don't display, etc but the Admin goes.
> The code is crufty, but that's mostly because it used some things that are
> no longer in Django. I've seen worse. Heck, I've written worse.
>
> I also found this, which was spun off of FeedJack:
> https://github.com/matagus/django-planet
>
> One thing that is wrong in all of these is feed ownership -- if you want
> more than one user on the system, these need some work. My wife doesn't
> want to see my Python blogs and I probably don't want to see her food
> blogs. But if she is making a recipe and wants me to get things for it,
> then it makes sense to share it with me and add a comment. This is really a
> killer feature that Google Reader *used* to have, but, as Jeff said, they
> shut that off a while ago to force G+  on people.
>
> On the search front: I've used Haystack with Whoosh and was underwhelmed.
> It took 4 hours to update the indices on 250k items and took sometimes a
> minute to do a search. I have used ElasticSearch in the past and it's nice,
> but I don't like having to monitor yet another system to get something to
> work.
>
> I've used PostgreSQL's Text Search functionality to replace the Haystack
> and it's amazing. Took some work getting it going, but now I don't have to
> do anything -- no extra process! Heck, try it yourself:
> http://powerhousetoolparts.com/newsearch/?q=type
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think a Django based app could be a good solution.  I used feedparser a
>> lot in my previous job and found it was a really powerful tool.  It would
>> be easy to create some Django tasks using something like Django Celery
>> that
>> go out and poll the feeds and scrap them on a regular basis.    With
>> regard
>> to search, Django Haystack is great for enabling search and indexing of
>> text.  It can tie into stuff like Solr and Elasticsearch or you can have a
>> standalone index based on Whoosh.
>>
>> Very cool thoughts.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Mike and Matthew -- Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this.
>> Annoyed
>> > that goog is dropping my favorite tool outside of search, I've been
>> > grimacing.
>> >
>> > I think you both have the right idea about getting out from under the
>> > services yolk of some 3rd party (in this case goog) [They ripped out the
>> > social features from Reader when G+ came on line, and now the are
>> saying --
>> > oooooh users have fallen off.  B*st*rds] {can you sense me not getting
>> I/O
>> > tickets yesterday too?}
>> >
>> > attributes in a good reader --
>> >
>> > * keeps feed updated when you are away.  RSS only shows X previous
>> stories,
>> > so if you are off line you'll have a gap unless the backend fetches on a
>> > regular basis for you.
>> > * ability to "star" an an entry -  for easier recall
>> > * search
>> > * share
>> > * desktop and phone  UI
>> > * multi-device access with read tracking.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I've used Feedjack on a few projects. It's a mess. (
>> > > http://voices.canonical.com/ is an amalgamation of Feedjack and
>> > Wordpress
>> > > MU) I've been looking for other alternatives for the last year and
>> played
>> > > with a few features in Wordpress, which alas is not Python. After the
>> > news
>> > > yesterday I stayed up too late last night working on it and
>> documenting
>> > it
>> > > and now have it set up in about a 15 min process for basic
>> functionality.
>> > > You can check out my notes at
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.bearfruit.org/2013/03/14/dont-panic-build-your-own-google-reader-in-12-minutes-with-wordpress/and
>> > > I would love suggestions on how to improve this.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Mike Hostetler
>> > > <mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On the demise of Google Reader, I decided to see if there was a
>> > > > Python-based Feed Reader that I could bring up. And I did find
>> > something
>> > > --
>> > > > FeedJack. It hasn't been updated since 2008. :(
>> > > >
>> > > > I got it at least working (there has been a few deprecated Django
>> > > features
>> > > > it was using) and now it at least runs.  I put my work on github if
>> > > someone
>> > > > else wants to help me finish this off.
>> > > >
>> > > > https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Mike Hostetler
>> > > > SquarePeg Systems
>> > > > http://www.squarepegsystems.com
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>> > > > Omaha at python.org
>> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Matthew Nuzum
>> > > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
>> > >
>> > > ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
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>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
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>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Jeff Hinrichs
>> > 402.218.1473
>> > _______________________________________________
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From jeffh at delasco.com  Thu Mar 14 19:34:38 2013
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:34:38 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
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Thinking about it some more...

* starring is just a specialized case of tagging
* sharing/social is good -- ability to have plugins to post to various
social islands (twitter, g+, etc) (Mike already hit on this)
* When you comment on a story/article create a "postback" to the original
article (can't think of proper term, but when you ding the other blog when
you blog about them.  Never actually comment somewhere else. This way you
have complete control over your posting and comments.  Doesn't make
them disappear from internet cache's but you can retract.
* Comments on an article build a "blog"
* long term -- completely dis-intermediate social islands

I've been thinking on and off about this for a couple years.  I don't like
the idea that my comments are stored only in someone else's db.   The
downside, is that the model I'm thinking about doesn't have a readily
cultivated business model -- not that it wouldn't be possible, but it would
be very different from traditional models.   That is part of the allure,
each is responsible for their social history.

-Jeff

-Jeff


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hostetler
<mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:

> man that is a lot of commentary for a quick email before running lunch
> errands.
>
> On the non-techie side:
>
> Free apps going away is, unfortunately, typical in our web-app world. I
> think this post from the guy that runs Pinboard really explains it well:
> http://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/
>
> So the morale to the story is either pay for it or build it yourself.
>
> I'll save my other rants for Google+. Lots of angry people there.
>
> On the techie-side:
>
> I'll freely admit that I just got FeedJack up to the point that I could see
> the webapp working. The images don't display, etc but the Admin goes. The
> code is crufty, but that's mostly because it used some things that are no
> longer in Django. I've seen worse. Heck, I've written worse.
>
> I also found this, which was spun off of FeedJack:
> https://github.com/matagus/django-planet
>
> One thing that is wrong in all of these is feed ownership -- if you want
> more than one user on the system, these need some work. My wife doesn't
> want to see my Python blogs and I probably don't want to see her food
> blogs. But if she is making a recipe and wants me to get things for it,
> then it makes sense to share it with me and add a comment. This is really a
> killer feature that Google Reader *used* to have, but, as Jeff said, they
> shut that off a while ago to force G+  on people.
>
> On the search front: I've used Haystack with Whoosh and was underwhelmed.
> It took 4 hours to update the indices on 250k items and took sometimes a
> minute to do a search. I have used ElasticSearch in the past and it's nice,
> but I don't like having to monitor yet another system to get something to
> work.
>
> I've used PostgreSQL's Text Search functionality to replace the Haystack
> and it's amazing. Took some work getting it going, but now I don't have to
> do anything -- no extra process! Heck, try it yourself:
> http://powerhousetoolparts.com/newsearch/?q=type
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I think a Django based app could be a good solution.  I used feedparser a
> > lot in my previous job and found it was a really powerful tool.  It would
> > be easy to create some Django tasks using something like Django Celery
> that
> > go out and poll the feeds and scrap them on a regular basis.    With
> regard
> > to search, Django Haystack is great for enabling search and indexing of
> > text.  It can tie into stuff like Solr and Elasticsearch or you can have
> a
> > standalone index based on Whoosh.
> >
> > Very cool thoughts.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Mike and Matthew -- Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this.
> > Annoyed
> > > that goog is dropping my favorite tool outside of search, I've been
> > > grimacing.
> > >
> > > I think you both have the right idea about getting out from under the
> > > services yolk of some 3rd party (in this case goog) [They ripped out
> the
> > > social features from Reader when G+ came on line, and now the are
> saying
> > --
> > > oooooh users have fallen off.  B*st*rds] {can you sense me not getting
> > I/O
> > > tickets yesterday too?}
> > >
> > > attributes in a good reader --
> > >
> > > * keeps feed updated when you are away.  RSS only shows X previous
> > stories,
> > > so if you are off line you'll have a gap unless the backend fetches on
> a
> > > regular basis for you.
> > > * ability to "star" an an entry -  for easier recall
> > > * search
> > > * share
> > > * desktop and phone  UI
> > > * multi-device access with read tracking.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've used Feedjack on a few projects. It's a mess. (
> > > > http://voices.canonical.com/ is an amalgamation of Feedjack and
> > > Wordpress
> > > > MU) I've been looking for other alternatives for the last year and
> > played
> > > > with a few features in Wordpress, which alas is not Python. After the
> > > news
> > > > yesterday I stayed up too late last night working on it and
> documenting
> > > it
> > > > and now have it set up in about a 15 min process for basic
> > functionality.
> > > > You can check out my notes at
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.bearfruit.org/2013/03/14/dont-panic-build-your-own-google-reader-in-12-minutes-with-wordpress/and
> > > > I would love suggestions on how to improve this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Mike Hostetler
> > > > <mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On the demise of Google Reader, I decided to see if there was a
> > > > > Python-based Feed Reader that I could bring up. And I did find
> > > something
> > > > --
> > > > > FeedJack. It hasn't been updated since 2008. :(
> > > > >
> > > > > I got it at least working (there has been a few deprecated Django
> > > > features
> > > > > it was using) and now it at least runs.  I put my work on github if
> > > > someone
> > > > > else wants to help me finish this off.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mike Hostetler
> > > > > SquarePeg Systems
> > > > > http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matthew Nuzum
> > > > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
> > > >
> > > > ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Jeff Hinrichs
> > > 402.218.1473
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Mar 15 00:04:16 2013
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:04:16 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
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On Mar 14, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Mike Hostetler wrote:

> And now I looked at feedjack_update.py. Holy crap
> 
> https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack/blob/master/feedjack/bin/feedjack_update.py

Looks like a good place to have some fun learning how to refactor!


From mike at squarepegsystems.com  Fri Mar 15 01:49:17 2013
From: mike at squarepegsystems.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:49:17 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
In-Reply-To: <2FF483F8-64B4-48F4-A484-1FFBE1D8C09F@bearfruit.org>
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On Mar 14, 2013 6:04 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Mike Hostetler wrote:
>
> > And now I looked at feedjack_update.py. Holy crap
> >
> >
https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack/blob/master/feedjack/bin/feedjack_update.py
>
> Looks like a good place to have some fun learning how to refactor!
>
>

Yup, certainly. First thing is to write a unit test.

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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Fri Mar 15 05:37:12 2013
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:37:12 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
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Well on the plus side, it is using feedparser, and etags but on the
downside ...

I don't see where it setting the last-modified header when it goes after a
URI. The comments make it seem that it does, but I didn't see it in the
code until after the fetch, which is too late to save you and the publisher
any bandwidth.  (feedparser looks to be a good citizen, but you have to
tell it what it needs to know to act intelligently)

It should be written as a django management command --- maybe  it is but I
just don't recognize the old form.   It is using threads -- ick. I would
seriously think about ripping it out, use multiprocessing or messaging / mq
to give it some scalability.  The way it sits, it doesn't appear to be
useful for more than 1 user.

I'd break it out to a command / fetcher / bizlogic-dbwriter structure.
 Then you could spool up as many fetchers (feedparser + data) as you need,
which then hand off to a bizlogic-writer pool.  Do it right and you could
scale from a db based queue to a real mq if you were going to go big.

If going from scratch, I'd keep the model and client view separated via
json comm only.  Lean towards an AngularJS front-end and do the heavy
back-end lifting with python.  Django would be exploited for it's orm and
middle wear for accounts, auth and access.

I like hypothetical solutions to problems, it's more fun than even writing
tests.  :)

The other conceptual problem that I am having, is size.  I like the idea of
everyone having their own, but in reality it is going to be at least small
groups on the low end (like Mike was saying about him and his wife.  I have
a similar situation here but with 4 people.)

Although it is php based, wordpress as a personal feed reader does make
sense in the abstract.  Not that I'm a fan of wordpress, but it is a
widespread solution, supported by many hosting providers.  That solves a
number of problems for wide adoption.

On more wish for my reader -- find other similar stories in feeds.  How
many times have you see essentially the same store in multiple feeds?  Ever
wish you could filter to them and mark them all read at once?  I do.

A question, how do you read your articles?  I tend to group mine by topic:
 Python, Hard Tech, Soft Tech, Local News & Sports, etc.  I have coworkers
who strictly do the "river" always looking at all.  For me, that is just
too chaotic.  Also, some feeds just get stale faster than others.  Soft
Tech and Local news -- If I don't have the time, I just mark all as read
and move on.  While Python and Hard Tech, I will leave until I have some
real time and those I give a harder look.  What about you?

Best,

Jeff


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Mike Hostetler
<mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2013 6:04 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 14, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Mike Hostetler wrote:
> >
> > > And now I looked at feedjack_update.py. Holy crap
> > >
> > >
>
> https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack/blob/master/feedjack/bin/feedjack_update.py
> >
> > Looks like a good place to have some fun learning how to refactor!
> >
> >
>
> Yup, certainly. First thing is to write a unit test.
>
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From mike at squarepegsystems.com  Fri Mar 15 14:41:51 2013
From: mike at squarepegsystems.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:41:51 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
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As a wise man once said: It's all talk til the code runs.

After I looked at the feedjack_update.py, I started to do a thinking and
research, and my thoughts were like like Jeff's stream of consciousnesses.
The main thing I came up with is that there is no open-source RSS Reader.
Not just in Django, but period. FeedJack isn't a reader as much as a
aggregator: it displays the contents of feeds and does some manipulation.
There are quite a few of those, but no projects that I can find that has a
user authentication for them to manage their own subscriptions and what
they have read.

Example: Bob and Susan both subscribe to Feed1. Bob has caught up on Feed1
so his articles are marked as read while Susan hasn't logged on in a while,
so hers are not. FeedJack (nor any other open source solution) does this.

I'm going to agree with what Jeff was hinting at: keep FeedJack's models
and extend from that. I honestly don't like to design too far ahead of the
game, but I also understand that you have to have a roadmap of what to use.
Honestly there are a lot of problems to solve before approaching  the
front-end.

Big items:
   o Only seeing the feeds that you are subscribed to
   o Searching
   o fetching (this could be a cronjob for the time being)

Libraries I have thought about:
  o django-orm-extensions: Easy way interface PostgreSQL full text search
(which I would known about this before)
  o django-user-accounts: handles sign-ups, password resets, etc. I would
actually prefer OpenID/Google/Facebook ID integration instead. Who needs
another password to deal with?

Thanks for letting me ramble . . .

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> Well on the plus side, it is using feedparser, and etags but on the
> downside ...
>
> I don't see where it setting the last-modified header when it goes after a
> URI. The comments make it seem that it does, but I didn't see it in the
> code until after the fetch, which is too late to save you and the publisher
> any bandwidth.  (feedparser looks to be a good citizen, but you have to
> tell it what it needs to know to act intelligently)
>
> It should be written as a django management command --- maybe  it is but I
> just don't recognize the old form.   It is using threads -- ick. I would
> seriously think about ripping it out, use multiprocessing or messaging / mq
> to give it some scalability.  The way it sits, it doesn't appear to be
> useful for more than 1 user.
>
> I'd break it out to a command / fetcher / bizlogic-dbwriter structure.
>  Then you could spool up as many fetchers (feedparser + data) as you need,
> which then hand off to a bizlogic-writer pool.  Do it right and you could
> scale from a db based queue to a real mq if you were going to go big.
>
> If going from scratch, I'd keep the model and client view separated via
> json comm only.  Lean towards an AngularJS front-end and do the heavy
> back-end lifting with python.  Django would be exploited for it's orm and
> middle wear for accounts, auth and access.
>
> I like hypothetical solutions to problems, it's more fun than even writing
> tests.  :)
>
> The other conceptual problem that I am having, is size.  I like the idea of
> everyone having their own, but in reality it is going to be at least small
> groups on the low end (like Mike was saying about him and his wife.  I have
> a similar situation here but with 4 people.)
>
> Although it is php based, wordpress as a personal feed reader does make
> sense in the abstract.  Not that I'm a fan of wordpress, but it is a
> widespread solution, supported by many hosting providers.  That solves a
> number of problems for wide adoption.
>
> On more wish for my reader -- find other similar stories in feeds.  How
> many times have you see essentially the same store in multiple feeds?  Ever
> wish you could filter to them and mark them all read at once?  I do.
>
> A question, how do you read your articles?  I tend to group mine by topic:
>  Python, Hard Tech, Soft Tech, Local News & Sports, etc.  I have coworkers
> who strictly do the "river" always looking at all.  For me, that is just
> too chaotic.  Also, some feeds just get stale faster than others.  Soft
> Tech and Local news -- If I don't have the time, I just mark all as read
> and move on.  While Python and Hard Tech, I will leave until I have some
> real time and those I give a harder look.  What about you?
>
> Best,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Mike Hostetler
> <mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:
>
> > On Mar 14, 2013 6:04 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 14, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Mike Hostetler wrote:
> > >
> > > > And now I looked at feedjack_update.py. Holy crap
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack/blob/master/feedjack/bin/feedjack_update.py
> > >
> > > Looks like a good place to have some fun learning how to refactor!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yup, certainly. First thing is to write a unit test.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Jeff Hinrichs
> 402.218.1473
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Mike Hostetler
SquarePeg Systems
http://www.squarepegsystems.com

From jeffh at delasco.com  Fri Mar 15 15:35:41 2013
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:35:41 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
In-Reply-To: <CAE1_9RXXTyVe_umxGh6y9Ee7BtDzOpmPfUMXd68Q99CAiU6L7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1_9RWOZvSuSBqP=ueL3Y8cf2++_rWQdCmFbQmvfLEGB1G=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9w61zgS+e=bypORsZj9eL3Gk15KHmN-NE=d7QNX0X2Udg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO-+jJtV5KyqCKf9vQ8yPau5+EAi31n5tHohkqgB75zi2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABT9k_APK9uVjj8N90WMD77ovsBweEmTojWz3Yu8o8U_3Dsj2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1_9RX-pXPS=_OEh_AeZF9JtTCngeGqaWR_6BDf3jBTvGRhAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1_9RWEM03_zA1+H5WO1cnUrBW-xSbnKjuBj6x8RzSu5phzQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2FF483F8-64B4-48F4-A484-1FFBE1D8C09F@bearfruit.org>
	<CAE1_9RUHXfnw1j2JbC_MSRKzfppx9=dGwtv4-cWw8me_7vk-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO8M9ni=MV9scOVGScFuMn7pJxwbRCLbu5OgHpHAFHRnWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1_9RXXTyVe_umxGh6y9Ee7BtDzOpmPfUMXd68Q99CAiU6L7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHoq1-rJWAtWkFj5n_aOhtGKfF279jbFYQ0MaWdMsw-kik3AwA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a big believer in "rambling" and stream of consciousnesses in the
initial stage of a project.  Often there is gold in the subconscious and
rambling is a method of accessing it.   So please ramble on.

+1 on OpenID et al.

-Jeff


On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Mike Hostetler
<mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:

> As a wise man once said: It's all talk til the code runs.
>
> After I looked at the feedjack_update.py, I started to do a thinking and
> research, and my thoughts were like like Jeff's stream of consciousnesses.
> The main thing I came up with is that there is no open-source RSS Reader.
> Not just in Django, but period. FeedJack isn't a reader as much as a
> aggregator: it displays the contents of feeds and does some manipulation.
> There are quite a few of those, but no projects that I can find that has a
> user authentication for them to manage their own subscriptions and what
> they have read.
>
> Example: Bob and Susan both subscribe to Feed1. Bob has caught up on Feed1
> so his articles are marked as read while Susan hasn't logged on in a while,
> so hers are not. FeedJack (nor any other open source solution) does this.
>
> I'm going to agree with what Jeff was hinting at: keep FeedJack's models
> and extend from that. I honestly don't like to design too far ahead of the
> game, but I also understand that you have to have a roadmap of what to use.
> Honestly there are a lot of problems to solve before approaching  the
> front-end.
>
> Big items:
>    o Only seeing the feeds that you are subscribed to
>    o Searching
>    o fetching (this could be a cronjob for the time being)
>
> Libraries I have thought about:
>   o django-orm-extensions: Easy way interface PostgreSQL full text search
> (which I would known about this before)
>   o django-user-accounts: handles sign-ups, password resets, etc. I would
> actually prefer OpenID/Google/Facebook ID integration instead. Who needs
> another password to deal with?
>
> Thanks for letting me ramble . . .
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
>
> > Well on the plus side, it is using feedparser, and etags but on the
> > downside ...
> >
> > I don't see where it setting the last-modified header when it goes after
> a
> > URI. The comments make it seem that it does, but I didn't see it in the
> > code until after the fetch, which is too late to save you and the
> publisher
> > any bandwidth.  (feedparser looks to be a good citizen, but you have to
> > tell it what it needs to know to act intelligently)
> >
> > It should be written as a django management command --- maybe  it is but
> I
> > just don't recognize the old form.   It is using threads -- ick. I would
> > seriously think about ripping it out, use multiprocessing or messaging /
> mq
> > to give it some scalability.  The way it sits, it doesn't appear to be
> > useful for more than 1 user.
> >
> > I'd break it out to a command / fetcher / bizlogic-dbwriter structure.
> >  Then you could spool up as many fetchers (feedparser + data) as you
> need,
> > which then hand off to a bizlogic-writer pool.  Do it right and you could
> > scale from a db based queue to a real mq if you were going to go big.
> >
> > If going from scratch, I'd keep the model and client view separated via
> > json comm only.  Lean towards an AngularJS front-end and do the heavy
> > back-end lifting with python.  Django would be exploited for it's orm and
> > middle wear for accounts, auth and access.
> >
> > I like hypothetical solutions to problems, it's more fun than even
> writing
> > tests.  :)
> >
> > The other conceptual problem that I am having, is size.  I like the idea
> of
> > everyone having their own, but in reality it is going to be at least
> small
> > groups on the low end (like Mike was saying about him and his wife.  I
> have
> > a similar situation here but with 4 people.)
> >
> > Although it is php based, wordpress as a personal feed reader does make
> > sense in the abstract.  Not that I'm a fan of wordpress, but it is a
> > widespread solution, supported by many hosting providers.  That solves a
> > number of problems for wide adoption.
> >
> > On more wish for my reader -- find other similar stories in feeds.  How
> > many times have you see essentially the same store in multiple feeds?
>  Ever
> > wish you could filter to them and mark them all read at once?  I do.
> >
> > A question, how do you read your articles?  I tend to group mine by
> topic:
> >  Python, Hard Tech, Soft Tech, Local News & Sports, etc.  I have
> coworkers
> > who strictly do the "river" always looking at all.  For me, that is just
> > too chaotic.  Also, some feeds just get stale faster than others.  Soft
> > Tech and Local news -- If I don't have the time, I just mark all as read
> > and move on.  While Python and Hard Tech, I will leave until I have some
> > real time and those I give a harder look.  What about you?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Mike Hostetler
> > <mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 14, 2013 6:04 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 14, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Mike Hostetler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And now I looked at feedjack_update.py. Holy crap
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack/blob/master/feedjack/bin/feedjack_update.py
> > > >
> > > > Looks like a good place to have some fun learning how to refactor!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yup, certainly. First thing is to write a unit test.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeff Hinrichs
> > 402.218.1473
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Mike Hostetler
> SquarePeg Systems
> http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From mike at squarepegsystems.com  Fri Mar 15 16:53:22 2013
From: mike at squarepegsystems.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 10:53:22 -0500
Subject: [omaha] stumbled onto tt-rss
Message-ID: <CAE1_9RX4aZrOh2KVfCgWzSYTKdWyo_JBc46yb-cRvruMQr_roA@mail.gmail.com>

It's PHP, and seems single user. Haven't done anything with it yet.

But it does use Postgres, which is a huge plus (I don't trust MySQL InnoDB
with large amounts of data).

http://tt-rss.org/redmine/projects/tt-rss/wiki


-- 
Mike Hostetler
SquarePeg Systems
http://www.squarepegsystems.com

From dragonfyre13 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 18:00:56 2013
From: dragonfyre13 at gmail.com (Tim Alexander)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:00:56 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Newsblur python feed reader
In-Reply-To: <CA+aHcdCtUjq+zf7L6f-S1FGnTpsH7nBFcMEy4Pso+O9KR95xXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+aHcdBpyvY3+Uru_Y=-miN-X+hm7DP8UY0uu2bLe-BBdtv6JA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+aHcdDsgP_2-z6oLx_+3LySxYPXUMBjuAdWg9UKcBKo07FbUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+aHcdCGaMw6p3n6rLoWmgiJiw2imJDCiDtb+WP_oDcKhP7wMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+aHcdCtUjq+zf7L6f-S1FGnTpsH7nBFcMEy4Pso+O9KR95xXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+aHcdApPO6SWTHLXr-SDkw84Ho2tAyA4QKQonEoJSyV7UUmww@mail.gmail.com>

https://github.com/samuelclay/NewsBlur

This one looks more interesting to me than feedjack, plus it's gorgeous.
Checkout the hosted version at newsblur.com

Supports postgres, is built on django, does background updates of feeds
automagically, etc. etc...

Good article here:
http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/514787:newsblur-the-open-source-feed-reader-with-brains

Oh, and supports auto import and migration of data from Google reader.

From mike at squarepegsystems.com  Fri Mar 15 19:08:22 2013
From: mike at squarepegsystems.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:08:22 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Newsblur python feed reader
In-Reply-To: <CA+aHcdApPO6SWTHLXr-SDkw84Ho2tAyA4QKQonEoJSyV7UUmww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+aHcdBpyvY3+Uru_Y=-miN-X+hm7DP8UY0uu2bLe-BBdtv6JA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+aHcdDsgP_2-z6oLx_+3LySxYPXUMBjuAdWg9UKcBKo07FbUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+aHcdCGaMw6p3n6rLoWmgiJiw2imJDCiDtb+WP_oDcKhP7wMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+aHcdCtUjq+zf7L6f-S1FGnTpsH7nBFcMEy4Pso+O9KR95xXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+aHcdApPO6SWTHLXr-SDkw84Ho2tAyA4QKQonEoJSyV7UUmww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1_9RXpgpK5-4GT5ck_VR7rKwVqYN=Dgs=oeLW5zXgJBgyNYw@mail.gmail.com>

How come I can't find these and other people can?

It's a lot of infrastructure to get going but it pretty much answers all
the question any of us have.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Tim Alexander <dragonfyre13 at gmail.com>wrote:

> https://github.com/samuelclay/NewsBlur
>
> This one looks more interesting to me than feedjack, plus it's gorgeous.
> Checkout the hosted version at newsblur.com
>
> Supports postgres, is built on django, does background updates of feeds
> automagically, etc. etc...
>
> Good article here:
>
> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/514787:newsblur-the-open-source-feed-reader-with-brains
>
> Oh, and supports auto import and migration of data from Google reader.
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Mike Hostetler
SquarePeg Systems
http://www.squarepegsystems.com

From cmhanlon at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 17:05:24 2013
From: cmhanlon at gmail.com (Chris Hanlon)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:05:24 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Coding across america
Message-ID: <CAMMRB7y9yDdWsDFcDmhRjNOUpzYuhnU8PxCzGxSUmH3=-D0j2w@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.codingacrossamerica.com/

So this guy is driving across america coding in python. I noticed Omaha was
on this list for June 20th. It might make for an interesting users group
meeting.

Chris

From elicriffield at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 19:11:03 2013
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:11:03 -0700
Subject: [omaha] Coding across america
In-Reply-To: <CAMMRB7y9yDdWsDFcDmhRjNOUpzYuhnU8PxCzGxSUmH3=-D0j2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMMRB7y9yDdWsDFcDmhRjNOUpzYuhnU8PxCzGxSUmH3=-D0j2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMvt5y6tvKzh0WF3vUgm_CrppDsmc0gYcEjLRNEdbRD=B6UC0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Any updates from pycon? What talks should we be looking for.
On Mar 16, 2013 9:05 AM, "Chris Hanlon" <cmhanlon at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.codingacrossamerica.com/
>
> So this guy is driving across america coding in python. I noticed Omaha was
> on this list for June 20th. It might make for an interesting users group
> meeting.
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From bkealey at unomaha.edu  Sun Mar 17 14:17:47 2013
From: bkealey at unomaha.edu (Burch Kealey)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:17:47 +0000
Subject: [omaha] Coding across america
In-Reply-To: <CAMvt5y6tvKzh0WF3vUgm_CrppDsmc0gYcEjLRNEdbRD=B6UC0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMMRB7y9yDdWsDFcDmhRjNOUpzYuhnU8PxCzGxSUmH3=-D0j2w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAMvt5y6tvKzh0WF3vUgm_CrppDsmc0gYcEjLRNEdbRD=B6UC0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4293E60B323B40429454D64601E678DE5571EF32@BY2PRD0711MB428.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Guys

Sorry about this.  After reading Chris's original email I was interested in what Matthew Makai was doing so I wrote him.  I wanted to invite him to dinner and I mentioned your interest and he responded early this morning.  Our exchange is copied below.  Presumably one of the elder statesmen of the group should take over the correspondence.  

I am not meaning to avoid the meetings its just that with me teaching and working late as much as I do I never make it though I do follow along on the messages.

Cheers

Burch,


Thank you for reaching out to me! It sounds like you have a heck of a lot on your plate as both a professor and running your software company.

It would be great to speak at Omaha Python if you guys are interested. I will be speaking at Memphis Python on March 25 on Github Workflows and at Boston Django in July (topic TBD). What topics are generally of interest to you there? I always prefer to know the audience and talk about something that is specifically relevant in the local community, either Python-specific or otherwise.

Matt

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu> wrote:
Hi Matt
 
I am a lurking member of the Omaha Python Users Group.  Today, someone in the group posted the thought that we should hold a special meeting and invite you.  If you are interested I can certainly forward your respone. 
 
However, I am also writing because while I have a day job as a faculty member in accounting at the University of Nebraska at Omaha ? my night job is running a ?software? company that is focused on providing the infrastructure for academic and other researchers to collect and normalize data from SEC filings.  We have an application and you can find a limited description of it on our website (www.directedgar.com).  I will be in Omaha while you are here and if you want a perspective on how Python makes the inaccessible accessible for people like me who have no training then respond.   I would be delighted to meet up.  Maybe have you over for dinner at the house so my 8 year old can participate in the discussion.  I am not very involved in the ?startup scene? in Omaha though I know there is a ?thriving? one.  I am usually too busy just trying to keep my head above water.
 
Cheers
 
Burch
 
With regards;
________________________________________
From: Omaha [omaha-bounces+bkealey=mail.unomaha.edu at python.org] on behalf of Eli Criffield [elicriffield at gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 1:11 PM
To: Omaha Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [omaha] Coding across america

Any updates from pycon? What talks should we be looking for.
On Mar 16, 2013 9:05 AM, "Chris Hanlon" <cmhanlon at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.codingacrossamerica.com/
>
> So this guy is driving across america coding in python. I noticed Omaha was
> on this list for June 20th. It might make for an interesting users group
> meeting.
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>
_______________________________________________
Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
Omaha at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
http://www.OmahaPython.org



From bkealey at unomaha.edu  Sun Mar 17 14:23:02 2013
From: bkealey at unomaha.edu (Burch Kealey)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:23:02 +0000
Subject: [omaha] Omaha Visit
In-Reply-To: <CAJrzuJvEZJ_qZTmzGn_FzB-oY1sVUb4-8XweEthoo_TsdbydRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4293E60B323B40429454D64601E678DE5571EC3F@BY2PRD0711MB428.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAJrzuJvEZJ_qZTmzGn_FzB-oY1sVUb4-8XweEthoo_TsdbydRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4293E60B323B40429454D64601E678DE5571FF87@BY2PRD0711MB428.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Matt

Thanks for the quick response.  We are interested and I sent your response to the mailing list.  Like many groups we don't have a leader but we do have several 'Elder Statesmen' who keep things moving along.  Either I will be back to you or one of them will take over and work out the logistics of the invitation.

Drive safe.

Burch
________________________________
From: Matthew Makai [matthew.makai at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:30 AM
To: Burch Kealey
Subject: Re: Omaha Visit

Burch,

Thank you for reaching out to me! It sounds like you have a heck of a lot on your plate as both a professor and running your software company.

It would be great to speak at Omaha Python if you guys are interested. I will be speaking at Memphis Python on March 25 on Github Workflows and at Boston Django in July (topic TBD). What topics are generally of interest to you there? I always prefer to know the audience and talk about something that is specifically relevant in the local community, either Python-specific or otherwise.

Matt

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu<mailto:bkealey at unomaha.edu>> wrote:
Hi Matt

I am a lurking member of the Omaha Python Users Group.  Today, someone in the group posted the thought that we should hold a special meeting and invite you.  If you are interested I can certainly forward your respone.

However, I am also writing because while I have a day job as a faculty member in accounting at the University of Nebraska at Omaha ? my night job is running a ?software? company that is focused on providing the infrastructure for academic and other researchers to collect and normalize data from SEC filings.  We have an application and you can find a limited description of it on our website (www.directedgar.com<http://www.directedgar.com>).  I will be in Omaha while you are here and if you want a perspective on how Python makes the inaccessible accessible for people like me who have no training then respond.   I would be delighted to meet up.  Maybe have you over for dinner at the house so my 8 year old can participate in the discussion.  I am not very involved in the ?startup scene? in Omaha though I know there is a ?thriving? one.  I am usually too busy just trying to keep my head above water.

Cheers

Burch

With regards;

Burch T Kealey, PhD
Associate Professor of Accounting
Director of MAcc Program
Hockett Professor of Accounting
OFFICE: MH-228-CC
Direct 402-554-3571<tel:402-554-3571>
Assistant (Darryl Burgdorf) 402-554-3650<tel:402-554-3650>
MAIL TO:

University of Nebraska at Omaha
6708 Pine Street
MH 228-CC
Omaha NE, 68182-0048



From wes.turner at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 17:12:02 2013
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:12:02 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FeedJack
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From
http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/1aa5rd/python_based_oss_alternative_to_google_reader/:

* https://github.com/samuelclay/NewsBlur/
* https://github.com/feedhq/feedhq

There is a python wiki page that could be updated:

* http://wiki.python.org/moin/RssLibraries

Feedparser is great.

* https://code.google.com/p/feedparser/issues/list
*
https://code.google.com/p/feedparser/source/browse/feedparser/feedparser.py#2574
* http://urllib3.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html would be awesome

I haven't yet had an opportunity to take a look at
https://github.com/omab/python-social-auth
 On Mar 15, 2013 8:44 AM, "Mike Hostetler" <mike at squarepegsystems.com>
wrote:

> As a wise man once said: It's all talk til the code runs.
>
> After I looked at the feedjack_update.py, I started to do a thinking and
> research, and my thoughts were like like Jeff's stream of consciousnesses.
> The main thing I came up with is that there is no open-source RSS Reader.
> Not just in Django, but period. FeedJack isn't a reader as much as a
> aggregator: it displays the contents of feeds and does some manipulation.
> There are quite a few of those, but no projects that I can find that has a
> user authentication for them to manage their own subscriptions and what
> they have read.
>
> Example: Bob and Susan both subscribe to Feed1. Bob has caught up on Feed1
> so his articles are marked as read while Susan hasn't logged on in a while,
> so hers are not. FeedJack (nor any other open source solution) does this.
>
> I'm going to agree with what Jeff was hinting at: keep FeedJack's models
> and extend from that. I honestly don't like to design too far ahead of the
> game, but I also understand that you have to have a roadmap of what to use.
> Honestly there are a lot of problems to solve before approaching  the
> front-end.
>
> Big items:
>    o Only seeing the feeds that you are subscribed to
>    o Searching
>    o fetching (this could be a cronjob for the time being)
>
> Libraries I have thought about:
>   o django-orm-extensions: Easy way interface PostgreSQL full text search
> (which I would known about this before)
>   o django-user-accounts: handles sign-ups, password resets, etc. I would
> actually prefer OpenID/Google/Facebook ID integration instead. Who needs
> another password to deal with?
>
> Thanks for letting me ramble . . .
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
>
> > Well on the plus side, it is using feedparser, and etags but on the
> > downside ...
> >
> > I don't see where it setting the last-modified header when it goes after
> a
> > URI. The comments make it seem that it does, but I didn't see it in the
> > code until after the fetch, which is too late to save you and the
> publisher
> > any bandwidth.  (feedparser looks to be a good citizen, but you have to
> > tell it what it needs to know to act intelligently)
> >
> > It should be written as a django management command --- maybe  it is but
> I
> > just don't recognize the old form.   It is using threads -- ick. I would
> > seriously think about ripping it out, use multiprocessing or messaging /
> mq
> > to give it some scalability.  The way it sits, it doesn't appear to be
> > useful for more than 1 user.
> >
> > I'd break it out to a command / fetcher / bizlogic-dbwriter structure.
> >  Then you could spool up as many fetchers (feedparser + data) as you
> need,
> > which then hand off to a bizlogic-writer pool.  Do it right and you could
> > scale from a db based queue to a real mq if you were going to go big.
> >
> > If going from scratch, I'd keep the model and client view separated via
> > json comm only.  Lean towards an AngularJS front-end and do the heavy
> > back-end lifting with python.  Django would be exploited for it's orm and
> > middle wear for accounts, auth and access.
> >
> > I like hypothetical solutions to problems, it's more fun than even
> writing
> > tests.  :)
> >
> > The other conceptual problem that I am having, is size.  I like the idea
> of
> > everyone having their own, but in reality it is going to be at least
> small
> > groups on the low end (like Mike was saying about him and his wife.  I
> have
> > a similar situation here but with 4 people.)
> >
> > Although it is php based, wordpress as a personal feed reader does make
> > sense in the abstract.  Not that I'm a fan of wordpress, but it is a
> > widespread solution, supported by many hosting providers.  That solves a
> > number of problems for wide adoption.
> >
> > On more wish for my reader -- find other similar stories in feeds.  How
> > many times have you see essentially the same store in multiple feeds?
>  Ever
> > wish you could filter to them and mark them all read at once?  I do.
> >
> > A question, how do you read your articles?  I tend to group mine by
> topic:
> >  Python, Hard Tech, Soft Tech, Local News & Sports, etc.  I have
> coworkers
> > who strictly do the "river" always looking at all.  For me, that is just
> > too chaotic.  Also, some feeds just get stale faster than others.  Soft
> > Tech and Local news -- If I don't have the time, I just mark all as read
> > and move on.  While Python and Hard Tech, I will leave until I have some
> > real time and those I give a harder look.  What about you?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Mike Hostetler
> > <mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 14, 2013 6:04 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 14, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Mike Hostetler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And now I looked at feedjack_update.py. Holy crap
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/squarepegsys/feedjack/blob/master/feedjack/bin/feedjack_update.py
> > > >
> > > > Looks like a good place to have some fun learning how to refactor!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yup, certainly. First thing is to write a unit test.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeff Hinrichs
> > 402.218.1473
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Mike Hostetler
> SquarePeg Systems
> http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From mattnuzum at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 19:30:24 2013
From: mattnuzum at gmail.com (mattnuzum at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:30:24 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Fwd: The book "Learn Python Quickly" is FREE today March
	18th
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Message-ID: <CAN2g5eiR0_k5vDVjG-Lh2UWYD4bnTAfei5dVG4qNSArDMrLx1A@mail.gmail.com>

The table of contents on this book and the first chapter look solid. If you
want to get started or get your feet wet with some aspects of Python that
you haven't had experience with, today is the day to dive in.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: John Rowland <astrojohnr at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:58 AM
Subject: The book "Learn Python Quickly" is FREE today March 18th
To: comp-lang-python-announce at moderators.isc.org


It's free today (only) to download from Amazon.
Please go to www.learnpythonquickly.com for more info.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list

        Support the Python Software Foundation:
        http://www.python.org/psf/donations/



-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter

? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?

From bkealey at unomaha.edu  Mon Mar 18 20:13:12 2013
From: bkealey at unomaha.edu (Burch Kealey)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:13:12 +0000
Subject: [omaha] FW: Omaha Visit
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So who would like to handle this?  I am happy to serve as a conduit but given my lurking status I would think someone else is better suited - any volunteers?

Cheers

Burch

From: Matthew Makai [mailto:matthew.makai at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:59 AM
To: Burch Kealey
Subject: Re: Omaha Visit

Burch,

Sounds good. I look forward to hearing from you guys then.

Matt
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu<mailto:bkealey at unomaha.edu>> wrote:
Hi Matt

Thanks for the quick response.  We are interested and I sent your response to the mailing list.  Like many groups we don't have a leader but we do have several 'Elder Statesmen' who keep things moving along.  Either I will be back to you or one of them will take over and work out the logistics of the invitation.

Drive safe.

Burch
________________________________
From: Matthew Makai [matthew.makai at gmail.com<mailto:matthew.makai at gmail.com>]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:30 AM
To: Burch Kealey
Subject: Re: Omaha Visit
Burch,

Thank you for reaching out to me! It sounds like you have a heck of a lot on your plate as both a professor and running your software company.

It would be great to speak at Omaha Python if you guys are interested. I will be speaking at Memphis Python on March 25 on Github Workflows and at Boston Django in July (topic TBD). What topics are generally of interest to you there? I always prefer to know the audience and talk about something that is specifically relevant in the local community, either Python-specific or otherwise.

Matt
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu<mailto:bkealey at unomaha.edu>> wrote:
Hi Matt

I am a lurking member of the Omaha Python Users Group.  Today, someone in the group posted the thought that we should hold a special meeting and invite you.  If you are interested I can certainly forward your respone.

However, I am also writing because while I have a day job as a faculty member in accounting at the University of Nebraska at Omaha - my night job is running a 'software' company that is focused on providing the infrastructure for academic and other researchers to collect and normalize data from SEC filings.  We have an application and you can find a limited description of it on our website (www.directedgar.com<http://www.directedgar.com>).  I will be in Omaha while you are here and if you want a perspective on how Python makes the inaccessible accessible for people like me who have no training then respond.   I would be delighted to meet up.  Maybe have you over for dinner at the house so my 8 year old can participate in the discussion.  I am not very involved in the 'startup scene' in Omaha though I know there is a 'thriving' one.  I am usually too busy just trying to keep my head above water.

Cheers

Burch

With regards;

Burch T Kealey, PhD
Associate Professor of Accounting
Director of MAcc Program
Hockett Professor of Accounting
OFFICE: MH-228-CC
Direct 402-554-3571<tel:402-554-3571>
Assistant (Darryl Burgdorf) 402-554-3650<tel:402-554-3650>
MAIL TO:

University of Nebraska at Omaha
6708 Pine Street
MH 228-CC
Omaha NE, 68182-0048




From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sun Mar 24 15:58:48 2013
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:58:48 -0500
Subject: [omaha] FW: Omaha Visit
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Hi all,
Sorry about being slow to respond to the list.  I think that it sounds like
fun.  I do have a couple questions/comments.

Attendance:  I think that if we do, do this, we should invite other groups
to attend, i.e. dynamic languages, perl, etc.  Also, since he seems to be
focusing on "start ups" maybe others can could some announcement ideas that
would better target Omaha's start-up community.

I am in favor of doing what ever is necessary to put Omaha in a good light,
I would not like it if his impression of Omaha was unfavorable.  It is not
often that we get a chance at something like this and we should do our best
to make the most out of it.

Venue:  I'd like to see this happen in a venue that puts Omaha in a good
light.  Maybe on Campus, one of the hacker spaces, etc.  A location a
little more tech oriented than our normal physical meetings.

Burch, If you are willing to take the lead on this, that would be
outstanding!

Best,

Jeff

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu> wrote:

> So who would like to handle this?  I am happy to serve as a conduit but
> given my lurking status I would think someone else is better suited - any
> volunteers?
>
> Cheers
>
> Burch
>
> From: Matthew Makai [mailto:matthew.makai at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:59 AM
> To: Burch Kealey
> Subject: Re: Omaha Visit
>
> Burch,
>
> Sounds good. I look forward to hearing from you guys then.
>
> Matt
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu<mailto:
> bkealey at unomaha.edu>> wrote:
> Hi Matt
>
> Thanks for the quick response.  We are interested and I sent your response
> to the mailing list.  Like many groups we don't have a leader but we do
> have several 'Elder Statesmen' who keep things moving along.  Either I will
> be back to you or one of them will take over and work out the logistics of
> the invitation.
>
> Drive safe.
>
> Burch
> ________________________________
> From: Matthew Makai [matthew.makai at gmail.com<mailto:
> matthew.makai at gmail.com>]
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:30 AM
> To: Burch Kealey
> Subject: Re: Omaha Visit
> Burch,
>
> Thank you for reaching out to me! It sounds like you have a heck of a lot
> on your plate as both a professor and running your software company.
>
> It would be great to speak at Omaha Python if you guys are interested. I
> will be speaking at Memphis Python on March 25 on Github Workflows and at
> Boston Django in July (topic TBD). What topics are generally of interest to
> you there? I always prefer to know the audience and talk about something
> that is specifically relevant in the local community, either
> Python-specific or otherwise.
>
> Matt
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu<mailto:
> bkealey at unomaha.edu>> wrote:
> Hi Matt
>
> I am a lurking member of the Omaha Python Users Group.  Today, someone in
> the group posted the thought that we should hold a special meeting and
> invite you.  If you are interested I can certainly forward your respone.
>
> However, I am also writing because while I have a day job as a faculty
> member in accounting at the University of Nebraska at Omaha - my night job
> is running a 'software' company that is focused on providing the
> infrastructure for academic and other researchers to collect and normalize
> data from SEC filings.  We have an application and you can find a limited
> description of it on our website (www.directedgar.com<
> http://www.directedgar.com>).  I will be in Omaha while you are here and
> if you want a perspective on how Python makes the inaccessible accessible
> for people like me who have no training then respond.   I would be
> delighted to meet up.  Maybe have you over for dinner at the house so my 8
> year old can participate in the discussion.  I am not very involved in the
> 'startup scene' in Omaha though I know there is a 'thriving' one.  I am
> usually too busy just trying to keep my head above water.
>
> Cheers
>
> Burch
>
> With regards;
>
> Burch T Kealey, PhD
> Associate Professor of Accounting
> Director of MAcc Program
> Hockett Professor of Accounting
> OFFICE: MH-228-CC
> Direct 402-554-3571<tel:402-554-3571>
> Assistant (Darryl Burgdorf) 402-554-3650<tel:402-554-3650>
> MAIL TO:
>
> University of Nebraska at Omaha
> 6708 Pine Street
> MH 228-CC
> Omaha NE, 68182-0048
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Best,

Jeff Hinrichs
402.218.1473

From bkealey at unomaha.edu  Sun Mar 24 16:30:37 2013
From: bkealey at unomaha.edu (Burch Kealey)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:30:37 +0000
Subject: [omaha] Omaha Visit
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Hi Matt

Sorry for the silence on this end.  It looks like I have been elected to coordinate your visit with our group.  It was suggested that we include other groups (there are several dynamic language groups here) and we are going to try to help you make some connections with the pure start-ups also.

I just got this assignment and am getting ready to take my son skiing so I will look into things a bit and keep in touch with you.  I just wanted to drop a line now so you did not think we had fallen off the planet.

Cheers

Burch
________________________________
From: Matthew Makai [matthew.makai at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:58 AM
To: Burch Kealey
Subject: Re: Omaha Visit

Burch,

Sounds good. I look forward to hearing from you guys then.

Matt

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu<mailto:bkealey at unomaha.edu>> wrote:
Hi Matt

Thanks for the quick response.  We are interested and I sent your response to the mailing list.  Like many groups we don't have a leader but we do have several 'Elder Statesmen' who keep things moving along.  Either I will be back to you or one of them will take over and work out the logistics of the invitation.

Drive safe.

Burch
________________________________
From: Matthew Makai [matthew.makai at gmail.com<mailto:matthew.makai at gmail.com>]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:30 AM
To: Burch Kealey
Subject: Re: Omaha Visit

Burch,

Thank you for reaching out to me! It sounds like you have a heck of a lot on your plate as both a professor and running your software company.

It would be great to speak at Omaha Python if you guys are interested. I will be speaking at Memphis Python on March 25 on Github Workflows and at Boston Django in July (topic TBD). What topics are generally of interest to you there? I always prefer to know the audience and talk about something that is specifically relevant in the local community, either Python-specific or otherwise.

Matt

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu<mailto:bkealey at unomaha.edu>> wrote:
Hi Matt

I am a lurking member of the Omaha Python Users Group.  Today, someone in the group posted the thought that we should hold a special meeting and invite you.  If you are interested I can certainly forward your respone.

However, I am also writing because while I have a day job as a faculty member in accounting at the University of Nebraska at Omaha ? my night job is running a ?software? company that is focused on providing the infrastructure for academic and other researchers to collect and normalize data from SEC filings.  We have an application and you can find a limited description of it on our website (www.directedgar.com<http://www.directedgar.com>).  I will be in Omaha while you are here and if you want a perspective on how Python makes the inaccessible accessible for people like me who have no training then respond.   I would be delighted to meet up.  Maybe have you over for dinner at the house so my 8 year old can participate in the discussion.  I am not very involved in the ?startup scene? in Omaha though I know there is a ?thriving? one.  I am usually too busy just trying to keep my head above water.

Cheers

Burch

With regards;

Burch T Kealey, PhD
Associate Professor of Accounting
Director of MAcc Program
Hockett Professor of Accounting
OFFICE: MH-228-CC
Direct 402-554-3571<tel:402-554-3571>
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From bkealey at unomaha.edu  Sun Mar 24 16:42:44 2013
From: bkealey at unomaha.edu (Burch Kealey)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:42:44 +0000
Subject: [omaha] More
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FYI

Based on Jeff's suggestions I also reached out to one of the Dean's at PKI.



From matthew.makai at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 14:01:29 2013
From: matthew.makai at gmail.com (Matthew Makai)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:01:29 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Omaha Visit
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Burch and Omaha Python folks,

No problem! I agree including other groups is a good idea; that's we're
doing in Memphis tonight when I speak at MemPy. I can keep the talk about
general tools and techniques that are of use to any language instead of
being Python specific.

Any connections to the startup scene in Omaha would be greatly appreciated.
The main priority of my trip is to write about all the interesting work
being done outside Silicon Valley - and get people excited about it.
Hopefully I will also have some recommendations for community building by
the time I come to Omaha as it will be stop #22 of 30.

I'll get back to you when I confirm the exact dates I will be in Omaha. If
there are any dates that work particularly well, let me know about that as
well. In the meantime, anyone out at Omaha Python please let me know if
there are technical topics you would all favor hearing about when I'm out
there.

Thanks everyone!
Matt

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu> wrote:

>  Hi Matt
>
>  Sorry for the silence on this end.  It looks like I have been elected to
> coordinate your visit with our group.  It was suggested that we include
> other groups (there are several dynamic language groups here) and we are
> going to try to help you make some connections with the pure start-ups also.
>
>  I just got this assignment and am getting ready to take my son skiing so
> I will look into things a bit and keep in touch with you.  I just wanted to
> drop a line now so you did not think we had fallen off the planet.
>
>  Cheers
>
>  Burch
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Matthew Makai [matthew.makai at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2013 10:58 AM
>
> *To:* Burch Kealey
> *Subject:* Re: Omaha Visit
>
>  Burch,
>
>  Sounds good. I look forward to hearing from you guys then.
>
>  Matt
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Matt
>>
>>  Thanks for the quick response.  We are interested and I sent your
>> response to the mailing list.  Like many groups we don't have a leader but
>> we do have several 'Elder Statesmen' who keep things moving along.  Either
>> I will be back to you or one of them will take over and work out the
>> logistics of the invitation.
>>
>>  Drive safe.
>>
>>  Burch
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Matthew Makai [matthew.makai at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:30 AM
>> *To:* Burch Kealey
>> *Subject:* Re: Omaha Visit
>>
>>   Burch,
>>
>>  Thank you for reaching out to me! It sounds like you have a heck of a
>> lot on your plate as both a professor and running your software company.
>>
>>  It would be great to speak at Omaha Python if you guys are interested.
>> I will be speaking at Memphis Python on March 25 on Github Workflows and at
>> Boston Django in July (topic TBD). What topics are generally of interest to
>> you there? I always prefer to know the audience and talk about something
>> that is specifically relevant in the local community, either
>> Python-specific or otherwise.
>>
>>  Matt
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at unomaha.edu>wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Matt****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I am a lurking member of the Omaha Python Users Group.  Today, someone
>>> in the group posted the thought that we should hold a special meeting and
>>> invite you.  If you are interested I can certainly forward your respone.
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> However, I am also writing because while I have a day job as a faculty
>>> member in accounting at the University of Nebraska at Omaha ? my night job
>>> is running a ?software? company that is focused on providing the
>>> infrastructure for academic and other researchers to collect and normalize
>>> data from SEC filings.  We have an application and you can find a limited
>>> description of it on our website (www.directedgar.com).  I will be in
>>> Omaha while you are here and if you want a perspective on how Python makes
>>> the inaccessible accessible for people like me who have no training then
>>> respond.   I would be delighted to meet up.  Maybe have you over for dinner
>>> at the house so my 8 year old can participate in the discussion.  I am not
>>> very involved in the ?startup scene? in Omaha though I know there is a
>>> ?thriving? one.  I am usually too busy just trying to keep my head above
>>> water.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Cheers****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Burch****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> With regards;****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Burch T Kealey, PhD****
>>>
>>> Associate Professor of Accounting****
>>>
>>> Director of MAcc Program****
>>>
>>> Hockett Professor of Accounting****
>>>
>>> OFFICE: MH-228-CC****
>>>
>>> Direct 402-554-3571****
>>>
>>> Assistant (Darryl Burgdorf) 402-554-3650****
>>>
>>> MAIL TO:****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> University of Nebraska at Omaha****
>>>
>>> 6708 Pine Street****
>>>
>>> MH 228-CC****
>>>
>>> Omaha NE, 68182-0048****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>
>>
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