From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon Jul 20 05:28:36 2009
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:28:36 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting July 20 @7pm
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0907192028w1542f8a5q6fffe0f882010107@mail.gmail.com>

We have the meeting room at Lansky's reserved.
We don't have any formal topics set up but I suggest Python App night,
everyone pick an app that is python based and do a mini presentation
on it at the meeting.  Nothing too fancy or formal, but python is
being used in more and more places so maybe we could all learn
something about our favorite langague!



-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Jul 21 06:16:22 2009
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:16:22 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Notes
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0907202116y31a8576x12d8d199a5e6c12f@mail.gmail.com>

I've updated the site with the meeting notes from tonight's meeting.
Wow, what a great meeting.  Thanks for everyone making it fun!

http://www.omahapython.org/
When you get a chance please review and send me any revisions or additions.

Thanks,

Jeff

-- 
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Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From choman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 06:58:53 2009
From: choman at gmail.com (Chad Homan)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:58:53 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Notes
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0907202116y31a8576x12d8d199a5e6c12f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0907202116y31a8576x12d8d199a5e6c12f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d74b4e610907202158m58692177k5742943dda676376@mail.gmail.com>

No worries, but you forgot two (at least that I remember)
Griffith www.griffith,cc
Anki http://ichi2.net/anki/

Chad, CISSP

Samuel Goldwyn<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html>
- "I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never
wrong."

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> I've updated the site with the meeting notes from tonight's meeting.
> Wow, what a great meeting.  Thanks for everyone making it fun!
>
> http://www.omahapython.org/
> When you get a chance please review and send me any revisions or additions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Jul 21 07:17:29 2009
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:17:29 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Notes
In-Reply-To: <d74b4e610907202158m58692177k5742943dda676376@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0907202116y31a8576x12d8d199a5e6c12f@mail.gmail.com>
	<d74b4e610907202158m58692177k5742943dda676376@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0907202217y546acc2cg5e32b3fcc59d5381@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for reminding me, the are going up now.
-j

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Chad Homan<choman at gmail.com> wrote:
> No worries, but you forgot two (at least that I remember)
> Griffith www.griffith,cc
> Anki http://ichi2.net/anki/
>
> Chad, CISSP
>
> Samuel Goldwyn<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html>
> - "I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never
> wrong."
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
>
>> I've updated the site with the meeting notes from tonight's meeting.
>> Wow, what a great meeting. ?Thanks for everyone making it fun!
>>
>> http://www.omahapython.org/
>> When you get a chance please review and send me any revisions or additions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Hinrichs
>> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> 402.218.1473
>> web: www.dundeemt.com
>> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From netarttodd at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 20:57:10 2009
From: netarttodd at gmail.com (Todd Christopher Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:57:10 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Database Module Recommendations for Python
Message-ID: <4A660F86.9070001@Gmail.com>

What module do you recommend I use for accessing databases using win32 odbc?

Todd

From JeffH at delasco.com  Tue Jul 21 21:09:16 2009
From: JeffH at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:09:16 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Database Module Recommendations for Python
In-Reply-To: <4A660F86.9070001@Gmail.com>
References: <4A660F86.9070001@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1248203356.11080.9.camel@tech-001>

It depends on the database, but while I used to use pyODBC,
http://code.google.com/p/pyodbc/  -- however, being a lazy guy I became
annoyed with differences between platforms and so I've moved off a
couple years ago and started using db specific connectors such as 
pymssql - http://pymssql.sourceforge.net/
MySQLdb - http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python/files/
etc.

For the most part, I am happier this way. ;)

What flavor(s) of database are you looking to access?

Regards,

Jeff


On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 13:57 -0500, Todd Christopher Hamilton wrote:
> What module do you recommend I use for accessing databases using win32
> odbc?
> 
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> 
> 

From netarttodd at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 21:30:34 2009
From: netarttodd at gmail.com (Todd Christopher Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:30:34 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Database Module Recommendations for Python
In-Reply-To: <1248203356.11080.9.camel@tech-001>
References: <4A660F86.9070001@Gmail.com> <1248203356.11080.9.camel@tech-001>
Message-ID: <4A66175A.2080305@Gmail.com>

Both Microsoft Sql Server as well as MySQL for now.  I think I will try 
your way. Thanks.

Jeff Hinrichs wrote:
> It depends on the database, but while I used to use pyODBC,
> http://code.google.com/p/pyodbc/  -- however, being a lazy guy I became
> annoyed with differences between platforms and so I've moved off a
> couple years ago and started using db specific connectors such as 
> pymssql - http://pymssql.sourceforge.net/
> MySQLdb - http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python/files/
> etc.
> 
> For the most part, I am happier this way. ;)
> 
> What flavor(s) of database are you looking to access?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 13:57 -0500, Todd Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>> What module do you recommend I use for accessing databases using win32
>> odbc?
>>
>> Todd
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org

From sy at foreignlanguageflashcards.com  Fri Jul 31 15:46:09 2009
From: sy at foreignlanguageflashcards.com (Steve Young)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:46:09 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Which version of Python?
Message-ID: <4A72F5A1.20801@foreignlanguageflashcards.com>

Hey guys,

I read through A Byte of Python for Version 3, then realized that most 
of the frameworks and existing programming are using v2.x.  I am 
thinking that I should study and begin using v2 first, and then move to 
v3 later when it becomes necessary.  If you have any suggestions please 
let me know.

Thanks,

Steve

From ckaminski at datascoutinc.com  Fri Jul 31 16:57:59 2009
From: ckaminski at datascoutinc.com (Charles Kaminski)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:57:59 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Which version of Python?
In-Reply-To: <4A72F5A1.20801@foreignlanguageflashcards.com>
References: <4A72F5A1.20801@foreignlanguageflashcards.com>
Message-ID: <8f1052e50907310757i28204ecflb2487065a21dd33c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steve,
I agree with you that those decisions should be shaped by the tools and
support around you.

>From my own experiences I can tell you that Python 2.5 has a number of
mature tools surrounding it to get you developing on it quickly.

   1. Most of the development out there currently supports 2.5.
   2. There's a great O'Reilly book by Mark Lutz for 2.5 called "Learning
   Python" that I highly recommend. The book assumes very little of the reader.
    Compared to other technical books, it's quite easy to follow.  My
   only criticism of the book (and it's a small one) is that its explanation of
   Python's behind-the-scene use of pointers and why you should care about this
   could be clearer.  The fourth addition for 3.0 isn't scheduled until
   September.
   3. Finally, WingWare's professional IDE is solid and supports 2.5 (up to
   2.6).  The Prof version has an interactive debugger which greatly speeds up
   debugging (and learning if you're new trying to figure out something you
   don't understand), a source assistant that will tell you what each
   documented function does and the expected inputs as you code, and code
   completion.  Those items alone will get you coding much faster.  I don't
   like their free version as it doesn't support these items.  Their
   professional version comes with a fully functional free trial that can be
   extended a number of times.  They have a number of videos and tutorials for
   specific frameworks and to help you get started with the basics.

Python development generally move fast, so I'm sure 3.0 will enjoy the same
soon.  Hope this helps.

Charles

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Steve Young <
sy at foreignlanguageflashcards.com> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I read through A Byte of Python for Version 3, then realized that most of
> the frameworks and existing programming are using v2.x.  I am thinking that
> I should study and begin using v2 first, and then move to v3 later when it
> becomes necessary.  If you have any suggestions please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From choman at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 20:06:10 2009
From: choman at gmail.com (Chad Homan)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:06:10 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Which version of Python?
In-Reply-To: <8f1052e50907310757i28204ecflb2487065a21dd33c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A72F5A1.20801@foreignlanguageflashcards.com>
	<8f1052e50907310757i28204ecflb2487065a21dd33c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d74b4e610907311106o7aca451ao26214af898a41912@mail.gmail.com>

I agree as well.  python 2.x (specifically 2.6.2) is well established.
Personally,
I am working with 2.4, 2.6.2, and 3.1.  Hopefully I won't muddy the water
too
much, but here are some things to consider.

Even though python 3.1+ is the future, you will run into backwards
compatibility
issues in general.  If you require with 3rd party modules, they may not be
up to
speed with 3.1 yet, etc.  And you definitely should not code in 3.1 if your
intentions
are to eventually execute on 2.6.  This will not work well for anyone

Also note that there are forward compatibility issues as well. Some APIs are

obsolete or have changed names.  A few examples are:

Python 2.X

   - print "hello"
   - import ConfigParser
   - API's: file and open are the same

Python 3.1+

   - print ("hello")
   - import configparser
   - API file is obsolete, use open

The only caveat to this is if you're now producing anything for real-world
use and
you are just learning.  3.1 may still be a better place to start because it
is the
future and if you're just starting why not learn how things are done in what
is coming.

In the end it's your decision, so choose the blue or red pill wisely.
sorry could not resist the matrix spin

Anyways, good luck

Chad, CISSP

Pablo Picasso<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html>
- "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Charles Kaminski <
ckaminski at datascoutinc.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve,
> I agree with you that those decisions should be shaped by the tools and
> support around you.
>
> >From my own experiences I can tell you that Python 2.5 has a number of
> mature tools surrounding it to get you developing on it quickly.
>
>   1. Most of the development out there currently supports 2.5.
>   2. There's a great O'Reilly book by Mark Lutz for 2.5 called "Learning
>   Python" that I highly recommend. The book assumes very little of the
> reader.
>    Compared to other technical books, it's quite easy to follow.  My
>   only criticism of the book (and it's a small one) is that its explanation
> of
>   Python's behind-the-scene use of pointers and why you should care about
> this
>   could be clearer.  The fourth addition for 3.0 isn't scheduled until
>   September.
>   3. Finally, WingWare's professional IDE is solid and supports 2.5 (up to
>   2.6).  The Prof version has an interactive debugger which greatly speeds
> up
>   debugging (and learning if you're new trying to figure out something you
>   don't understand), a source assistant that will tell you what each
>   documented function does and the expected inputs as you code, and code
>   completion.  Those items alone will get you coding much faster.  I don't
>   like their free version as it doesn't support these items.  Their
>   professional version comes with a fully functional free trial that can be
>   extended a number of times.  They have a number of videos and tutorials
> for
>   specific frameworks and to help you get started with the basics.
>
> Python development generally move fast, so I'm sure 3.0 will enjoy the same
> soon.  Hope this helps.
>
> Charles
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Steve Young <
> sy at foreignlanguageflashcards.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I read through A Byte of Python for Version 3, then realized that most of
> > the frameworks and existing programming are using v2.x.  I am thinking
> that
> > I should study and begin using v2 first, and then move to v3 later when
> it
> > becomes necessary.  If you have any suggestions please let me know.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>