From Jay at RebootTheUser.com  Thu Jul  5 19:12:12 2007
From: Jay at RebootTheUser.com (Jay Swackhamer)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:12:12 -0500
Subject: [omaha] New site/organization - Please disregard if you are not
	interested	in motor-vehicles.
Message-ID: <20070705121212.jy2kcr0ycgk0kso4@webmail.hotr.com>

Please disregard if you are not interested in motor-vehicles.

Read on if you are!

I am launching a couple of new sites
www.MoGeek.org and www.MoGeek.net for information and forums for  
Motor-Head/Geeks.

So if you are interested in Cars/Trucks/Motorcycles/Computers in any  
combination, these
sites will be for you.

If you would like to join/contribute, all are welcome. Preliminary  
meetings will be on
the 2nd saturday of the month, unless the group votes for a different day.

This group will be for people to get together and work on vehicles,  
maybe someones
project one week, then another members on another week. Computer/Car  
integration will be
discussed.

I would like to grow it into an organization that participates in  
events/cruises/poker
runs/test & tune/etc....

Contact me off list, if interested.

-- 
Jay Swackhamer
Reboot The User
13416 A Street
Omaha, NE 68144
402-933-6449
Hours: 6pm-11pm Tues-Fri, 4pm-9pm Sat.
http://www.reboottheuser.com
http://www.cafepress.com/rtu






From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon Jul  9 04:55:02 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:55:02 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Hot Hot Hot
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707081955j789d0b07g9a2d9d0b964b2c65@mail.gmail.com>

With the next meeting rapidly approaching and the weather being as hot
as it is, I'd like to move the meeting to some place that will have
A/C.  Jay is great for letting us use the space at Reboot the User,
but the last couple of meetings have been quite warm.  The current
forecast is 81(F) for Thursday, but it's just as likely to spike.

Also, there have been a couple comments about a more central location.
 I am all for that since I live east of 72nd.

A good location would have A/C, wireless, food and drink available or
possible to bring with us.  Also, enough room and not to loud.  Does
anyone have a suggestion?  We don't even need a meeting room per se,
just the ability to push some tables together.

With Wireless
--------------------
California Taco's is a contender (3235 California St) but it is on the
east side.  Some place mid-town would be a true winner.

Caffeine Dreams, 4524 Farnam Street -- called and checked that there
wasn't anything (open mic, a band, etc) going on Thursday.  Limited
menu.


Without Wireless
------------------------
Lansky's on 50th & L Street

Godfather's on 7515 Pacific St


All Idea's and help are welcome!  Even If you don't have a suggestion
please feel free to speak up for one of the other suggestions.


Thanks,


Jeff

From elicriffield at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:52:54 2007
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:52:54 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Hot Hot Hot
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0707081955j789d0b07g9a2d9d0b964b2c65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707081955j789d0b07g9a2d9d0b964b2c65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0707090652v41c4b9deh9930e233283f182d@mail.gmail.com>

Panera bread has wifi and a closed off meeting room, I think you just
need to reserve it. They have a location just north of king kong.

Eli

On 7/8/07, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> With the next meeting rapidly approaching and the weather being as hot
> as it is, I'd like to move the meeting to some place that will have
> A/C.  Jay is great for letting us use the space at Reboot the User,
> but the last couple of meetings have been quite warm.  The current
> forecast is 81(F) for Thursday, but it's just as likely to spike.
>
> Also, there have been a couple comments about a more central location.
>  I am all for that since I live east of 72nd.
>
> A good location would have A/C, wireless, food and drink available or
> possible to bring with us.  Also, enough room and not to loud.  Does
> anyone have a suggestion?  We don't even need a meeting room per se,
> just the ability to push some tables together.
>
> With Wireless
> --------------------
> California Taco's is a contender (3235 California St) but it is on the
> east side.  Some place mid-town would be a true winner.
>
> Caffeine Dreams, 4524 Farnam Street -- called and checked that there
> wasn't anything (open mic, a band, etc) going on Thursday.  Limited
> menu.
>
>
> Without Wireless
> ------------------------
> Lansky's on 50th & L Street
>
> Godfather's on 7515 Pacific St
>
>
> All Idea's and help are welcome!  Even If you don't have a suggestion
> please feel free to speak up for one of the other suggestions.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From Jay at RebootTheUser.com  Mon Jul  9 16:27:15 2007
From: Jay at RebootTheUser.com (Jay Swackhamer)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:27:15 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Hot Hot Hot
In-Reply-To: <18e3f33d0707090652v41c4b9deh9930e233283f182d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707081955j789d0b07g9a2d9d0b964b2c65@mail.gmail.com>
	<18e3f33d0707090652v41c4b9deh9930e233283f182d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070709092715.lm4811md6o0kcgss@webmail.hotr.com>

If you dont find another place, I have cleared out the room upstairs,  
next to the work area, that is cooled better than the open area. There  
is a table in there and the stand for the big screen will be done  
tomorrow. You are welcome to come in on tuesday to take a look.

-- 
Jay Swackhamer
Reboot The User
13416 A Street
Omaha, NE 68144
402-933-6449
Hours: 6pm-11pm Tues-Fri, 4pm-9pm Sat.
http://www.reboottheuser.com
http://www.cafepress.com/rtu


Quoting Eli Criffield <elicriffield at gmail.com>:

> Panera bread has wifi and a closed off meeting room, I think you just
> need to reserve it. They have a location just north of king kong.
>
> Eli
>
> On 7/8/07, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>> With the next meeting rapidly approaching and the weather being as hot
>> as it is, I'd like to move the meeting to some place that will have
>> A/C.  Jay is great for letting us use the space at Reboot the User,
>> but the last couple of meetings have been quite warm.  The current
>> forecast is 81(F) for Thursday, but it's just as likely to spike.
>>
>> Also, there have been a couple comments about a more central location.
>>  I am all for that since I live east of 72nd.
>>
>> A good location would have A/C, wireless, food and drink available or
>> possible to bring with us.  Also, enough room and not to loud.  Does
>> anyone have a suggestion?  We don't even need a meeting room per se,
>> just the ability to push some tables together.
>>
>> With Wireless
>> --------------------
>> California Taco's is a contender (3235 California St) but it is on the
>> east side.  Some place mid-town would be a true winner.
>>
>> Caffeine Dreams, 4524 Farnam Street -- called and checked that there
>> wasn't anything (open mic, a band, etc) going on Thursday.  Limited
>> menu.
>>
>>
>> Without Wireless
>> ------------------------
>> Lansky's on 50th & L Street
>>
>> Godfather's on 7515 Pacific St
>>
>>
>> All Idea's and help are welcome!  Even If you don't have a suggestion
>> please feel free to speak up for one of the other suggestions.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>




From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Thu Jul 12 04:24:16 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:24:16 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Hot Hot Hot
In-Reply-To: <20070709092715.lm4811md6o0kcgss@webmail.hotr.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707081955j789d0b07g9a2d9d0b964b2c65@mail.gmail.com>
	<18e3f33d0707090652v41c4b9deh9930e233283f182d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070709092715.lm4811md6o0kcgss@webmail.hotr.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707111924t6ab43949mc27008db7f77daf1@mail.gmail.com>

After some reflection, a change of venue at this late date would lead
to more confusion than wanted.  With the forecast showing mild
temperatures and Jay's invitation -- I believe that we should meet as
planned at Reboot the User.

There are a number of flyer's up that need to be changed if we do
decide to move venues so if that is the decision, we can make it
happen smoothly if we allow ourselves some time to plan and get the
word out.  Lets make it one of the topics of discussion at the meeting
Thursday.

Sound ok with everyone?


-Jeff


On 7/9/07, Jay Swackhamer <Jay at reboottheuser.com> wrote:
> If you dont find another place, I have cleared out the room upstairs,
> next to the work area, that is cooled better than the open area. There
> is a table in there and the stand for the big screen will be done
> tomorrow. You are welcome to come in on tuesday to take a look.
>
> --
> Jay Swackhamer
> Reboot The User
> 13416 A Street
> Omaha, NE 68144
> 402-933-6449
> Hours: 6pm-11pm Tues-Fri, 4pm-9pm Sat.
> http://www.reboottheuser.com
> http://www.cafepress.com/rtu
>
>
> Quoting Eli Criffield <elicriffield at gmail.com>:
>
> > Panera bread has wifi and a closed off meeting room, I think you just
> > need to reserve it. They have a location just north of king kong.
> >
> > Eli
> >
> > On 7/8/07, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> >> With the next meeting rapidly approaching and the weather being as hot
> >> as it is, I'd like to move the meeting to some place that will have
> >> A/C.  Jay is great for letting us use the space at Reboot the User,
> >> but the last couple of meetings have been quite warm.  The current
> >> forecast is 81(F) for Thursday, but it's just as likely to spike.
> >>
> >> Also, there have been a couple comments about a more central location.
> >>  I am all for that since I live east of 72nd.
> >>
> >> A good location would have A/C, wireless, food and drink available or
> >> possible to bring with us.  Also, enough room and not to loud.  Does
> >> anyone have a suggestion?  We don't even need a meeting room per se,
> >> just the ability to push some tables together.
> >>
> >> With Wireless
> >> --------------------
> >> California Taco's is a contender (3235 California St) but it is on the
> >> east side.  Some place mid-town would be a true winner.
> >>
> >> Caffeine Dreams, 4524 Farnam Street -- called and checked that there
> >> wasn't anything (open mic, a band, etc) going on Thursday.  Limited
> >> menu.
> >>
> >>
> >> Without Wireless
> >> ------------------------
> >> Lansky's on 50th & L Street
> >>
> >> Godfather's on 7515 Pacific St
> >>
> >>
> >> All Idea's and help are welcome!  Even If you don't have a suggestion
> >> please feel free to speak up for one of the other suggestions.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> Omaha at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Thu Jul 12 04:25:54 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:25:54 -0500
Subject: [omaha] ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting, July 12 2007 @ 7pm
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707111925w62d40bedl9a786ff84baad3cd@mail.gmail.com>

The second Thursday of the month is quickly approaching.

What:   Omaha Python Users Group Meeting
When:  July 12, 2007 - 7pm
Why:
   Topics:
               + Lightning Talks
               + discuss/vote on a change in venue
               + more...
   Refreshments:
               + Pizza and Pop will be served.
   Please make sure and mail the list with toppings and flavor
requests for the meeting.

Where:        Reboot The User
                 13416 A Street
                 Omaha, NE 68144
                 map: http://tinyurl.com/2lzv55


More Information on the group is available @ http://www.OmahaPython.org/

--
Jeff Hinrichs

"If you get even just three Python programmers with a pulse in the
same room with a laptop, they will find something interesting to do."
-- Chris Calloway on the group-organizers list

From elicriffield at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 07:25:25 2007
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:25:25 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Hot Hot Hot
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0707111924t6ab43949mc27008db7f77daf1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707081955j789d0b07g9a2d9d0b964b2c65@mail.gmail.com>
	<18e3f33d0707090652v41c4b9deh9930e233283f182d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070709092715.lm4811md6o0kcgss@webmail.hotr.com>
	<5aaed53f0707111924t6ab43949mc27008db7f77daf1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0707112225v506ab3cdo485d6fc9bb970e87@mail.gmail.com>

Ok with me

On 7/11/07, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> After some reflection, a change of venue at this late date would lead
> to more confusion than wanted.  With the forecast showing mild
> temperatures and Jay's invitation -- I believe that we should meet as
> planned at Reboot the User.
>
> There are a number of flyer's up that need to be changed if we do
> decide to move venues so if that is the decision, we can make it
> happen smoothly if we allow ourselves some time to plan and get the
> word out.  Lets make it one of the topics of discussion at the meeting
> Thursday.
>
> Sound ok with everyone?
>
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> On 7/9/07, Jay Swackhamer <Jay at reboottheuser.com> wrote:
> > If you dont find another place, I have cleared out the room upstairs,
> > next to the work area, that is cooled better than the open area. There
> > is a table in there and the stand for the big screen will be done
> > tomorrow. You are welcome to come in on tuesday to take a look.
> >
> > --
> > Jay Swackhamer
> > Reboot The User
> > 13416 A Street
> > Omaha, NE 68144
> > 402-933-6449
> > Hours: 6pm-11pm Tues-Fri, 4pm-9pm Sat.
> > http://www.reboottheuser.com
> > http://www.cafepress.com/rtu
> >
> >
> > Quoting Eli Criffield <elicriffield at gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Panera bread has wifi and a closed off meeting room, I think you just
> > > need to reserve it. They have a location just north of king kong.
> > >
> > > Eli
> > >
> > > On 7/8/07, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> > >> With the next meeting rapidly approaching and the weather being as hot
> > >> as it is, I'd like to move the meeting to some place that will have
> > >> A/C.  Jay is great for letting us use the space at Reboot the User,
> > >> but the last couple of meetings have been quite warm.  The current
> > >> forecast is 81(F) for Thursday, but it's just as likely to spike.
> > >>
> > >> Also, there have been a couple comments about a more central location.
> > >>  I am all for that since I live east of 72nd.
> > >>
> > >> A good location would have A/C, wireless, food and drink available or
> > >> possible to bring with us.  Also, enough room and not to loud.  Does
> > >> anyone have a suggestion?  We don't even need a meeting room per se,
> > >> just the ability to push some tables together.
> > >>
> > >> With Wireless
> > >> --------------------
> > >> California Taco's is a contender (3235 California St) but it is on the
> > >> east side.  Some place mid-town would be a true winner.
> > >>
> > >> Caffeine Dreams, 4524 Farnam Street -- called and checked that there
> > >> wasn't anything (open mic, a band, etc) going on Thursday.  Limited
> > >> menu.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Without Wireless
> > >> ------------------------
> > >> Lansky's on 50th & L Street
> > >>
> > >> Godfather's on 7515 Pacific St
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> All Idea's and help are welcome!  Even If you don't have a suggestion
> > >> please feel free to speak up for one of the other suggestions.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jeff
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > >> Omaha at python.org
> > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From rob.townley at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 06:22:25 2007
From: rob.townley at gmail.com (Rob Townley)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:22:25 -0500
Subject: [omaha] [olug] ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting,
	July 12 2007 @ 7pm
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0707111925w62d40bedl9a786ff84baad3cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707111925w62d40bedl9a786ff84baad3cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e84ed60707112122j7a9a187dgaf7b731a327db172@mail.gmail.com>

ThursdayNightRide  is on the same night about 40 weeks of the year.   If you
change the venue, consider changing the night.


On 7/11/07, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>
> The second Thursday of the month is quickly approaching.
>
> What:   Omaha Python Users Group Meeting
> When:  July 12, 2007 - 7pm
> Why:
>    Topics:
>                + Lightning Talks
>                + discuss/vote on a change in venue
>                + more...
>    Refreshments:
>                + Pizza and Pop will be served.
>    Please make sure and mail the list with toppings and flavor
> requests for the meeting.
>
> Where:        Reboot The User
>                  13416 A Street
>                  Omaha, NE 68144
>                  map: http://tinyurl.com/2lzv55
>
>
> More Information on the group is available @ http://www.OmahaPython.org/
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
>
> "If you get even just three Python programmers with a pulse in the
> same room with a laptop, they will find something interesting to do."
> -- Chris Calloway on the group-organizers list
> _______________________________________________
> OLUG mailing list
> OLUG at olug.org
> http://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Thu Jul 12 14:03:43 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:03:43 -0500
Subject: [omaha] [olug] ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting,
	July 12 2007 @ 7pm
In-Reply-To: <7e84ed60707112122j7a9a187dgaf7b731a327db172@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707111925w62d40bedl9a786ff84baad3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e84ed60707112122j7a9a187dgaf7b731a327db172@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707120503j7bc8c1a3mbfe001e30f1d8a6c@mail.gmail.com>

Rob has a point.  I had used http://www.itinomaha.org/ calendar to
help initially choose a date.

We'll also entertain discussion and a possible vote on changing the
meeting date and time.  Would everyone on the list, not able to
attend, please suggest alternate meeting dates/times.
So please post your preference to the list -- the sooner we can agree
on these changes the better.

Thanks,

Jeff


On 7/11/07, Rob Townley <rob.townley at gmail.com> wrote:
> ThursdayNightRide  is on the same night about 40 weeks of the year.   If you
> change the venue, consider changing the night.
>
>
> On 7/11/07, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> >
> > The second Thursday of the month is quickly approaching.
> >
> > What:   Omaha Python Users Group Meeting
> > When:  July 12, 2007 - 7pm
> > Why:
> >    Topics:
> >                + Lightning Talks
> >                + discuss/vote on a change in venue
> >                + more...
> >    Refreshments:
> >                + Pizza and Pop will be served.
> >    Please make sure and mail the list with toppings and flavor
> > requests for the meeting.
> >
> > Where:        Reboot The User
> >                  13416 A Street
> >                  Omaha, NE 68144
> >                  map: http://tinyurl.com/2lzv55
> >
> >
> > More Information on the group is available @ http://www.OmahaPython.org/
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Hinrichs
> >
> > "If you get even just three Python programmers with a pulse in the
> > same room with a laptop, they will find something interesting to do."
> > -- Chris Calloway on the group-organizers list
> > _______________________________________________
> > OLUG mailing list
> > OLUG at olug.org
> > http://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>


-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.320.0821

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Fri Jul 13 08:18:55 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:18:55 -0500
Subject: [omaha] ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting Notes, July 12, 2007
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707122318j27052a34g734c46d11aee9a5f@mail.gmail.com>

July 12, 2007
The meeting opened up with lots of interesting rumors, speculation and
general kibitzing about Google's plans for the new CB location. Who
knows for sure -- but lots of fun in the mean time.

Jeff gave a presentation on Crunchy ([WWW]
http://crunchy.sourceforge.net/) Talk about a gee whiz app. We poked
at it with sticks and xkill ([WWW]
http://www.xfree86.org/current/xkill.1.html) to figure out how/who had
control of the tkinter/wx/gtk windows.

The graphics capabilities brought out some questions about graphing
packages available to Python. Jeff recalled a recent blog entry by
Fuzzyman a.k.a Michael Foord ([WWW]
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/) about him looking for a
graphing package to use with IronPython ([WWW]
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2007_06_23.shtml#e753).
A bit of googling and gnuplot ([WWW] http://gnuplot.info/) was found.

Next was a question about xml parsers from someone new to Python and
while no one was definitive, we suggested that they look at
elementtree ([WWW]
http://docs.python.org/lib/module-xml.etree.ElementTree.html) and lxml
([WWW] http://codespeak.net/lxml/index.html)

The conversation then drifted towards web development. We had a java
programmer in the group who has been recently been using Django ([WWW]
http://www.djangoproject.com/) and is becoming enamored with Python.
We gabbed about storm ([WWW] https://storm.canonical.com/) and news
about how the TurboGears had started implementing TG2 ([WWW]
http://www.blueskyonmars.com/2007/06/27/turbogears-2-a-reinvention-and-back-to-its-roots/)
as an abstraction on top of Pylons ([WWW] http://pylonshq.com/). There
was also talk of mod_wsgi ([WWW] http://www.modwsgi.org/) and how it
is different than mod_python ([WWW] http://www.modpython.org/). Jeff
shared a little bit about mod_wsgi's embedded and daemon modes he had
picked up from Graham's recent blog entry ([WWW]
http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2007/07/web-hosting-landscape-and-modwsgi.html).

The talk then veered in to lambda ([WWW]
http://docs.python.org/ref/lambdas.html) and the java types whispered
"anonymous" <g> This quickly veered in to discussion on how binding
([WWW] http://docs.python.org/ref/naming.html) operates, which lead to
an impromptu demonstration of passing a function as an argument to a
function and how you assign a function to a dictionary element.

>>> def f(x):
...     return x*x
...
>>> print f(2)
4

>>> def g(fn,x):
...   return apply(fn,[x])
...
>>> g(f,2)
4

>>> d={}
>>> d['foo']=f
>>> print d['foo'](2)
4


As the meeting came to a close, we decided to change the meeting time
from the 2nd Thursday of the month to the 1st Wednesday of the month.
In the case that a holiday coincides with or is immediately adjacent
to that day, the meeting will be held 1 week later on the second
Tuesday. There was also a motion to move the meeting location and two
locations were put up for consideration:

    *

      Scooter's Java Express @ 120th and Blondo
    *

      Student Union @ UNO's campus, 60th and Dodge

We will investigate these two locations and report back to the list
for a vote by early next week.

Brad S. won the Door Prize of "Python in a Nutshell, 2nd Edition". Tom
never contacted us to pick it up so he lost out from last month. Sorry
Tom.

Thanks and appreciation to Jay and Reboot The User for donating the
meeting space and Dundee Media & Technology, Inc. for the pizza and
pop.

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Fri Jul 13 08:41:01 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:41:01 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Fwd: ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting Notes, July 12,
	2007
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0707122318j27052a34g734c46d11aee9a5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707122318j27052a34g734c46d11aee9a5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707122341q6440f679ibfc1ca84afaa2377@mail.gmail.com>

A correction, "In the case that a holiday coincides with or is
immediately adjacent
to that day, the meeting will be held 1 week later on the second
Tuesday."  should have read, "In the case that a holiday coincides
with or is immediately adjacent
to that day, the meeting will be held 1 week later on the second
Wednesday."

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2007 1:18 AM
Subject: ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting Notes, July 12, 2007
To: Omaha Python Users Group <omaha at python.org>,
dundeemt.omahapython at blogger.com
Cc: Marsee Henon <marsee at oreilly.com>


July 12, 2007
The meeting opened up with lots of interesting rumors, speculation and
general kibitzing about Google's plans for the new CB location. Who
knows for sure -- but lots of fun in the mean time.

Jeff gave a presentation on Crunchy ([WWW]
http://crunchy.sourceforge.net/) Talk about a gee whiz app. We poked
at it with sticks and xkill ([WWW]
http://www.xfree86.org/current/xkill.1.html) to figure out how/who had
control of the tkinter/wx/gtk windows.

The graphics capabilities brought out some questions about graphing
packages available to Python. Jeff recalled a recent blog entry by
Fuzzyman a.k.a Michael Foord ([WWW]
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/) about him looking for a
graphing package to use with IronPython ([WWW]
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2007_06_23.shtml#e753).
A bit of googling and gnuplot ([WWW] http://gnuplot.info/) was found.

Next was a question about xml parsers from someone new to Python and
while no one was definitive, we suggested that they look at
elementtree ([WWW]
http://docs.python.org/lib/module-xml.etree.ElementTree.html) and lxml
([WWW] http://codespeak.net/lxml/index.html)

The conversation then drifted towards web development. We had a java
programmer in the group who has been recently been using Django ([WWW]
http://www.djangoproject.com/) and is becoming enamored with Python.
We gabbed about storm ([WWW] https://storm.canonical.com/) and news
about how the TurboGears had started implementing TG2 ([WWW]
http://www.blueskyonmars.com/2007/06/27/turbogears-2-a-reinvention-and-back-to-its-roots/)
as an abstraction on top of Pylons ([WWW] http://pylonshq.com/). There
was also talk of mod_wsgi ([WWW] http://www.modwsgi.org/) and how it
is different than mod_python ([WWW] http://www.modpython.org/). Jeff
shared a little bit about mod_wsgi's embedded and daemon modes he had
picked up from Graham's recent blog entry ([WWW]
http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2007/07/web-hosting-landscape-and-modwsgi.html).

The talk then veered in to lambda ([WWW]
http://docs.python.org/ref/lambdas.html) and the java types whispered
"anonymous" <g> This quickly veered in to discussion on how binding
([WWW] http://docs.python.org/ref/naming.html) operates, which lead to
an impromptu demonstration of passing a function as an argument to a
function and how you assign a function to a dictionary element.

>>> def f(x):
...     return x*x
...
>>> print f(2)
4

>>> def g(fn,x):
...   return apply(fn,[x])
...
>>> g(f,2)
4

>>> d={}
>>> d['foo']=f
>>> print d['foo'](2)
4


As the meeting came to a close, we decided to change the meeting time
from the 2nd Thursday of the month to the 1st Wednesday of the month.
In the case that a holiday coincides with or is immediately adjacent
to that day, the meeting will be held 1 week later on the second
Tuesday. There was also a motion to move the meeting location and two
locations were put up for consideration:

    *

      Scooter's Java Express @ 120th and Blondo
    *

      Student Union @ UNO's campus, 60th and Dodge

We will investigate these two locations and report back to the list
for a vote by early next week.

Brad S. won the Door Prize of "Python in a Nutshell, 2nd Edition". Tom
never contacted us to pick it up so he lost out from last month. Sorry
Tom.

Thanks and appreciation to Jay and Reboot The User for donating the
meeting space and Dundee Media & Technology, Inc. for the pizza and
pop.


-- 
Jeff Hinrichs

From jay at jays.net  Sat Jul 14 13:14:35 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:14:35 -0500
Subject: [omaha] better than pyexpect?
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0706281948i1ab9c685wf632e40ec2f0fd9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0706281948i1ab9c685wf632e40ec2f0fd9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83DFE3C2-9E28-4E22-A8A7-22558DF965BA@jays.net>

On Jun 28, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
> At our last gathering Eli and others were talking about the Expect
> utility and the pyexpect bindings.  While I was going through my feeds
> tonight I came across a story, "Exscript Scripting Language -
> Automating Telnet"  http://debain.org/?p=196
>
> The author talks about using pyexpect, having some difficulties, then
> moving to perl and then eventually leaving perl and writing their own
> python module.  It has a number of features including threading.
> http://code.google.com/p/exscript/
>
> Anyone heard of this or used it?

I've used Perl's Expect.pm on several occasions:

http://search.cpan.org/~rgiersig/Expect-1.20/Expect.pod

Here's a little example I wrote:

http://omaha.pm.org/presentations/pscrawl_pl.txt

Thanks for hosting the meeting the week!

Cheers,

j



From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Wed Jul 18 04:26:14 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:26:14 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Alternate Meeting Location - Scouting Report
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707171926m2ed853f3kf6f3a7b6fa1ddb1a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I've scouted both the Scooter's Java Express (120th & Blondo) and the
Milo Bail Student Center (MBSC) @ UNO (60th & Dodge).

Scooter's does have drinks/food and wifi, however it would be
difficult getting more than 4 in their "meeting" room.  So do to it's
size, I'm afraid that it is out of the running.

The Student Union @ UNO does have free wifi, food and drink (from
vending machines) -- I need to talk to John Leed to get approval to
bring a pizza or two in and the guy at the information desk said that
he didn't think it would be a problem, but that I should check with
the business office for the official word.  Unfortunately, I did not
get them called today.

Along with the wifi, there are large areas by the Student Government
(First Floor) and the Computer Lab (First Floor) that have tables,
chairs, couches and outlets.

However, being a university -- there is some red tape I must attend to
before we can go forward.

--notes to self--
http://mbsc.unomaha.edu/

The Reservations & Event Planning Office is responsible for the
non-academic scheduling of any available campus building and/or
grounds. The Reservations Office is located in the Administrative
Offices, second floor of the Milo Bail Student Center, 554-2383.

-Jeff

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon Jul 30 04:13:36 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:13:36 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707291913j35ca5d5wcae433607deeb873@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations I've
scouted being a bit on the small side and having one problem or
another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd and
Pacific.

Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and wireless.
If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to post
the meeting location to the wiki tonight.

I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and such
-- I'll post more later tonight on that.


What say you?


-Jeff
www.omahapython.org

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon Jul 30 04:57:37 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:57:37 -0500
Subject: [omaha] ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting, Aug 1 @ 7pm
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707291957v5ac6d476r9d028101c935dcf0@mail.gmail.com>

The Omaha Python Users Group meets the First Wednesday of the Month.
 * August 1, 2007 - 7pm
    Topics:
     * Lightning Talks
     * Group Flyers
     * Possible Group Project?
     * Group Q and A session

    Location:
      Clancy's East[[BR]]
      7128 Pacific Street (72nd & Pacific)[[BR]]
      Omaha, NE

    Refreshments:
      It's Clancy's  -- so food and drink will be available.

    Door Prize(s)?:
      * Python Pocket Reference, 3rd Edition

See http://www.OmahaPython.org for more information.

From elicriffield at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 16:06:53 2007
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:06:53 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0707291913j35ca5d5wcae433607deeb873@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707291913j35ca5d5wcae433607deeb873@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0707300706r3dbd6f4do723bd6f84a89f6e4@mail.gmail.com>

How about the Clancy's on 114th just north of dodge? does it have the
same amenities?

Eli Criffield


On 7/29/07, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations I've
> scouted being a bit on the small side and having one problem or
> another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd and
> Pacific.
>
> Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and wireless.
> If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to post
> the meeting location to the wiki tonight.
>
> I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and such
> -- I'll post more later tonight on that.
>
>
> What say you?
>
>
> -Jeff
> www.omahapython.org
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From brad at iridiumdesign.com  Mon Jul 30 16:23:06 2007
From: brad at iridiumdesign.com (Brad Siegfreid)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:23:06 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0707291913j35ca5d5wcae433607deeb873@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707291913j35ca5d5wcae433607deeb873@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A9C4C62-A0EA-403B-9BD9-F7FF0D49C681@iridiumdesign.com>

Clancy's is OK with me (including the location mentioned by Eli) and  
I intend to be there.

Is the problem with presentations a lack of privacy or a bigger display?


Brad



On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:

> Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations I've
> scouted being a bit on the small side and having one problem or
> another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd and
> Pacific.
>
> Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and wireless.
> If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to post
> the meeting location to the wiki tonight.
>
> I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and such
> -- I'll post more later tonight on that.
>
>
> What say you?
>
>
> -Jeff
> www.omahapython.org
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org


From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon Jul 30 16:58:26 2007
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:58:26 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
In-Reply-To: <5A9C4C62-A0EA-403B-9BD9-F7FF0D49C681@iridiumdesign.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707291913j35ca5d5wcae433607deeb873@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A9C4C62-A0EA-403B-9BD9-F7FF0D49C681@iridiumdesign.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0707300758r79d43448ybcb881a9c6ad0a8d@mail.gmail.com>

Eli,

I didn't think to check out Clancy's on 114th.  I was scouting
locations closer to UNO.  Since it is so close to the meeting (Wed)
what say we have it the 72nd street location this month, we can scout
the 114th location for the next meeting?  If you wouldn't mind, could
you check it out?

Brad,
Have either of you tried Gobby? http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/  Its a
collaborative editor supporting multiple documents in one session.
Since we won't have a big screen, I was thinking of a more flexible
way to show code / presentations.  It's easy to use, multi-platform
and doesn't require a server (although that is supported).

The other thing I'm trying to figure out is shared browsing.  Since I
don't expect the meeting to be more than 4-6 people this time, it is
not that big of a deal, but as the group grows it would be a handy
thing.  Allowing us to meet without the need for a projector/big
display.

I am open to alternatives or suggestions.

-Jeff

On 7/30/07, Brad Siegfreid <brad at iridiumdesign.com> wrote:
> Clancy's is OK with me (including the location mentioned by Eli) and
> I intend to be there.
>
> Is the problem with presentations a lack of privacy or a bigger display?
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
>
> > Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations I've
> > scouted being a bit on the small side and having one problem or
> > another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd and
> > Pacific.
> >
> > Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and wireless.
> > If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to post
> > the meeting location to the wiki tonight.
> >
> > I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and such
> > -- I'll post more later tonight on that.
> >
> >
> > What say you?
> >
> >
> > -Jeff
> > www.omahapython.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>


-- 
Jeff Hinrichs

From brad at iridiumdesign.com  Mon Jul 30 17:25:23 2007
From: brad at iridiumdesign.com (Brad Siegfreid)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:25:23 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0707300758r79d43448ybcb881a9c6ad0a8d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707291913j35ca5d5wcae433607deeb873@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A9C4C62-A0EA-403B-9BD9-F7FF0D49C681@iridiumdesign.com>
	<5aaed53f0707300758r79d43448ybcb881a9c6ad0a8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE8E4269-FE76-4CE6-A0CC-CC8D455A90C9@iridiumdesign.com>

Ack!@#$!!

Gobby does run on Mac OS X but takes a night to build and 3GB of disk  
space in addition to DarwinPorts which I no longer use. I think I'd  
rather stick to watching over someone's shoulder or squinting across  
the table.

I doubt this week's meeting will be too big to manage. We could use  
some sort of IM for passing URLs as a last resort if needed.

Brad


On Jul 30, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:

> Eli,
>
> I didn't think to check out Clancy's on 114th.  I was scouting
> locations closer to UNO.  Since it is so close to the meeting (Wed)
> what say we have it the 72nd street location this month, we can scout
> the 114th location for the next meeting?  If you wouldn't mind, could
> you check it out?
>
> Brad,
> Have either of you tried Gobby? http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/  Its a
> collaborative editor supporting multiple documents in one session.
> Since we won't have a big screen, I was thinking of a more flexible
> way to show code / presentations.  It's easy to use, multi-platform
> and doesn't require a server (although that is supported).
>
> The other thing I'm trying to figure out is shared browsing.  Since I
> don't expect the meeting to be more than 4-6 people this time, it is
> not that big of a deal, but as the group grows it would be a handy
> thing.  Allowing us to meet without the need for a projector/big
> display.
>
> I am open to alternatives or suggestions.
>
> -Jeff
>
> On 7/30/07, Brad Siegfreid <brad at iridiumdesign.com> wrote:
>> Clancy's is OK with me (including the location mentioned by Eli) and
>> I intend to be there.
>>
>> Is the problem with presentations a lack of privacy or a bigger  
>> display?
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations  
>>> I've
>>> scouted being a bit on the small side and having one problem or
>>> another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd  
>>> and
>>> Pacific.
>>>
>>> Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and wireless.
>>> If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to  
>>> post
>>> the meeting location to the wiki tonight.
>>>
>>> I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and such
>>> -- I'll post more later tonight on that.
>>>
>>>
>>> What say you?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> www.omahapython.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>> Omaha at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Jeff Hinrichs
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org

Brad Siegfreid
brad at iridiumdesign.com

Home: 402.884.8861
Mobile: 402.598.2014




From elicriffield at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 18:05:50 2007
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:05:50 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0707300758r79d43448ybcb881a9c6ad0a8d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0707291913j35ca5d5wcae433607deeb873@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A9C4C62-A0EA-403B-9BD9-F7FF0D49C681@iridiumdesign.com>
	<5aaed53f0707300758r79d43448ybcb881a9c6ad0a8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0707300905u445bd018y5126d76ae24c0e6d@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good. I'll scout out Clancy's on 114th and report what i find Wed.

Eli

On 7/30/07, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> Eli,
>
> I didn't think to check out Clancy's on 114th.  I was scouting
> locations closer to UNO.  Since it is so close to the meeting (Wed)
> what say we have it the 72nd street location this month, we can scout
> the 114th location for the next meeting?  If you wouldn't mind, could
> you check it out?
>
> Brad,
> Have either of you tried Gobby? http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/  Its a
> collaborative editor supporting multiple documents in one session.
> Since we won't have a big screen, I was thinking of a more flexible
> way to show code / presentations.  It's easy to use, multi-platform
> and doesn't require a server (although that is supported).
>
> The other thing I'm trying to figure out is shared browsing.  Since I
> don't expect the meeting to be more than 4-6 people this time, it is
> not that big of a deal, but as the group grows it would be a handy
> thing.  Allowing us to meet without the need for a projector/big
> display.
>
> I am open to alternatives or suggestions.
>
> -Jeff
>
> On 7/30/07, Brad Siegfreid <brad at iridiumdesign.com> wrote:
> > Clancy's is OK with me (including the location mentioned by Eli) and
> > I intend to be there.
> >
> > Is the problem with presentations a lack of privacy or a bigger display?
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations I've
> > > scouted being a bit on the small side and having one problem or
> > > another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd and
> > > Pacific.
> > >
> > > Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and wireless.
> > > If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to post
> > > the meeting location to the wiki tonight.
> > >
> > > I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and such
> > > -- I'll post more later tonight on that.
> > >
> > >
> > > What say you?
> > >
> > >
> > > -Jeff
> > > www.omahapython.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From JeffH at delasco.com  Mon Jul 30 18:12:32 2007
From: JeffH at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:12:32 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
In-Reply-To: <AE8E4269-FE76-4CE6-A0CC-CC8D455A90C9@iridiumdesign.com>
Message-ID: <94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF7B75@lilo.delasco.pri>

So I take it you've used/installed Gobby before?  I just googled Gobby
Mac and I see what you are talking about.  Too bad SubEthaEdit doesn't
run on more than Mac http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/ .  

Anyone have experience with ACE http://ace.iserver.ch/index.php , it
looks to be a more friendly Mac install.

-jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: omaha-bounces at python.org [mailto:omaha-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Siegfreid
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:25 AM
To: Omaha Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [omaha] Meeting Location

Ack!@#$!!

Gobby does run on Mac OS X but takes a night to build and 3GB of disk
space in addition to DarwinPorts which I no longer use. I think I'd
rather stick to watching over someone's shoulder or squinting across the
table.

I doubt this week's meeting will be too big to manage. We could use some
sort of IM for passing URLs as a last resort if needed.

Brad


On Jul 30, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:

> Eli,
>
> I didn't think to check out Clancy's on 114th.  I was scouting 
> locations closer to UNO.  Since it is so close to the meeting (Wed) 
> what say we have it the 72nd street location this month, we can scout 
> the 114th location for the next meeting?  If you wouldn't mind, could 
> you check it out?
>
> Brad,
> Have either of you tried Gobby? http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/  Its a 
> collaborative editor supporting multiple documents in one session.
> Since we won't have a big screen, I was thinking of a more flexible 
> way to show code / presentations.  It's easy to use, multi-platform 
> and doesn't require a server (although that is supported).
>
> The other thing I'm trying to figure out is shared browsing.  Since I 
> don't expect the meeting to be more than 4-6 people this time, it is 
> not that big of a deal, but as the group grows it would be a handy 
> thing.  Allowing us to meet without the need for a projector/big 
> display.
>
> I am open to alternatives or suggestions.
>
> -Jeff
>
> On 7/30/07, Brad Siegfreid <brad at iridiumdesign.com> wrote:
>> Clancy's is OK with me (including the location mentioned by Eli) and 
>> I intend to be there.
>>
>> Is the problem with presentations a lack of privacy or a bigger 
>> display?
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations 
>>> I've scouted being a bit on the small side and having one problem or

>>> another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd 
>>> and Pacific.
>>>
>>> Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and wireless.
>>> If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to 
>>> post the meeting location to the wiki tonight.
>>>
>>> I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and such
>>> -- I'll post more later tonight on that.
>>>
>>>
>>> What say you?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> www.omahapython.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org 
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org 
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Jeff Hinrichs
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org

Brad Siegfreid
brad at iridiumdesign.com

Home: 402.884.8861
Mobile: 402.598.2014



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From brad at iridiumdesign.com  Mon Jul 30 19:20:42 2007
From: brad at iridiumdesign.com (Brad Siegfreid)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:20:42 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
In-Reply-To: <94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF7B75@lilo.delasco.pri>
References: <94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF7B75@lilo.delasco.pri>
Message-ID: <7E95CB81-EC96-40D7-B211-B6215FB933A4@iridiumdesign.com>

I haven't used Gobby, I just looked at the project page and kind of  
freaked at the amount of effort to try it. I've used DarwinPorts  
before as a package manager but started running into too many  
inconsistencies between Python based projects and started managing  
everything by hand instead.

I haven't had the opportunity to use SubEthaEdit either but I do have  
an app that uses SubEthaEdit's text sharing code. Unfortunately I  
have nobody to share code with. :-(

Brad



On Jul 30, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Jeff Hinrichs wrote:

> So I take it you've used/installed Gobby before?  I just googled Gobby
> Mac and I see what you are talking about.  Too bad SubEthaEdit doesn't
> run on more than Mac http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/ .
>
> Anyone have experience with ACE http://ace.iserver.ch/index.php , it
> looks to be a more friendly Mac install.
>
> -jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: omaha-bounces at python.org [mailto:omaha-bounces at python.org] On
> Behalf Of Brad Siegfreid
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:25 AM
> To: Omaha Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [omaha] Meeting Location
>
> Ack!@#$!!
>
> Gobby does run on Mac OS X but takes a night to build and 3GB of disk
> space in addition to DarwinPorts which I no longer use. I think I'd
> rather stick to watching over someone's shoulder or squinting  
> across the
> table.
>
> I doubt this week's meeting will be too big to manage. We could use  
> some
> sort of IM for passing URLs as a last resort if needed.
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
>
>> Eli,
>>
>> I didn't think to check out Clancy's on 114th.  I was scouting
>> locations closer to UNO.  Since it is so close to the meeting (Wed)
>> what say we have it the 72nd street location this month, we can scout
>> the 114th location for the next meeting?  If you wouldn't mind, could
>> you check it out?
>>
>> Brad,
>> Have either of you tried Gobby? http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/  Its a
>> collaborative editor supporting multiple documents in one session.
>> Since we won't have a big screen, I was thinking of a more flexible
>> way to show code / presentations.  It's easy to use, multi-platform
>> and doesn't require a server (although that is supported).
>>
>> The other thing I'm trying to figure out is shared browsing.  Since I
>> don't expect the meeting to be more than 4-6 people this time, it is
>> not that big of a deal, but as the group grows it would be a handy
>> thing.  Allowing us to meet without the need for a projector/big
>> display.
>>
>> I am open to alternatives or suggestions.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>> On 7/30/07, Brad Siegfreid <brad at iridiumdesign.com> wrote:
>>> Clancy's is OK with me (including the location mentioned by Eli) and
>>> I intend to be there.
>>>
>>> Is the problem with presentations a lack of privacy or a bigger
>>> display?
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations
>>>> I've scouted being a bit on the small side and having one  
>>>> problem or
>
>>>> another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd
>>>> and Pacific.
>>>>
>>>> Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and  
>>>> wireless.
>>>> If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to
>>>> post the meeting location to the wiki tonight.
>>>>
>>>> I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and  
>>>> such
>>>> -- I'll post more later tonight on that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What say you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Jeff
>>>> www.omahapython.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jeff Hinrichs
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>
> Brad Siegfreid
> brad at iridiumdesign.com
>
> Home: 402.884.8861
> Mobile: 402.598.2014
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org

Brad Siegfreid
brad at iridiumdesign.com

Home: 402.884.8861
Mobile: 402.598.2014




From elicriffield at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 19:48:44 2007
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:48:44 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
In-Reply-To: <7E95CB81-EC96-40D7-B211-B6215FB933A4@iridiumdesign.com>
References: <94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF7B75@lilo.delasco.pri>
	<7E95CB81-EC96-40D7-B211-B6215FB933A4@iridiumdesign.com>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0707301048j177f733pc0af887f7e2fbbae@mail.gmail.com>

Would a VNC work better? Its not two way, We could only have one
person do the demoing and everyone else watching but it would work.

Eli

On 7/30/07, Brad Siegfreid <brad at iridiumdesign.com> wrote:
> I haven't used Gobby, I just looked at the project page and kind of
> freaked at the amount of effort to try it. I've used DarwinPorts
> before as a package manager but started running into too many
> inconsistencies between Python based projects and started managing
> everything by hand instead.
>
> I haven't had the opportunity to use SubEthaEdit either but I do have
> an app that uses SubEthaEdit's text sharing code. Unfortunately I
> have nobody to share code with. :-(
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Jeff Hinrichs wrote:
>
> > So I take it you've used/installed Gobby before?  I just googled Gobby
> > Mac and I see what you are talking about.  Too bad SubEthaEdit doesn't
> > run on more than Mac http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/ .
> >
> > Anyone have experience with ACE http://ace.iserver.ch/index.php , it
> > looks to be a more friendly Mac install.
> >
> > -jeff
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: omaha-bounces at python.org [mailto:omaha-bounces at python.org] On
> > Behalf Of Brad Siegfreid
> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:25 AM
> > To: Omaha Python Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [omaha] Meeting Location
> >
> > Ack!@#$!!
> >
> > Gobby does run on Mac OS X but takes a night to build and 3GB of disk
> > space in addition to DarwinPorts which I no longer use. I think I'd
> > rather stick to watching over someone's shoulder or squinting
> > across the
> > table.
> >
> > I doubt this week's meeting will be too big to manage. We could use
> > some
> > sort of IM for passing URLs as a last resort if needed.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > On Jul 30, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
> >
> >> Eli,
> >>
> >> I didn't think to check out Clancy's on 114th.  I was scouting
> >> locations closer to UNO.  Since it is so close to the meeting (Wed)
> >> what say we have it the 72nd street location this month, we can scout
> >> the 114th location for the next meeting?  If you wouldn't mind, could
> >> you check it out?
> >>
> >> Brad,
> >> Have either of you tried Gobby? http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/  Its a
> >> collaborative editor supporting multiple documents in one session.
> >> Since we won't have a big screen, I was thinking of a more flexible
> >> way to show code / presentations.  It's easy to use, multi-platform
> >> and doesn't require a server (although that is supported).
> >>
> >> The other thing I'm trying to figure out is shared browsing.  Since I
> >> don't expect the meeting to be more than 4-6 people this time, it is
> >> not that big of a deal, but as the group grows it would be a handy
> >> thing.  Allowing us to meet without the need for a projector/big
> >> display.
> >>
> >> I am open to alternatives or suggestions.
> >>
> >> -Jeff
> >>
> >> On 7/30/07, Brad Siegfreid <brad at iridiumdesign.com> wrote:
> >>> Clancy's is OK with me (including the location mentioned by Eli) and
> >>> I intend to be there.
> >>>
> >>> Is the problem with presentations a lack of privacy or a bigger
> >>> display?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations
> >>>> I've scouted being a bit on the small side and having one
> >>>> problem or
> >
> >>>> another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd
> >>>> and Pacific.
> >>>>
> >>>> Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and
> >>>> wireless.
> >>>> If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to
> >>>> post the meeting location to the wiki tonight.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and
> >>>> such
> >>>> -- I'll post more later tonight on that.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What say you?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jeff
> >>>> www.omahapython.org
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org
> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Hinrichs
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> Omaha at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> > Brad Siegfreid
> > brad at iridiumdesign.com
> >
> > Home: 402.884.8861
> > Mobile: 402.598.2014
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>
> Brad Siegfreid
> brad at iridiumdesign.com
>
> Home: 402.884.8861
> Mobile: 402.598.2014
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From JeffH at delasco.com  Mon Jul 30 20:03:20 2007
From: JeffH at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:03:20 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Location
In-Reply-To: <18e3f33d0707301048j177f733pc0af887f7e2fbbae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF7B77@lilo.delasco.pri>

Yes, that would be a solution -- and one that we might go with to get
things running. 

-----Original Message-----
From: omaha-bounces+jeffh=delasco.com at python.org
[mailto:omaha-bounces+jeffh=delasco.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Eli
Criffield
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:49 PM
To: Omaha Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [omaha] Meeting Location

Would a VNC work better? Its not two way, We could only have one person
do the demoing and everyone else watching but it would work.

Eli

On 7/30/07, Brad Siegfreid <brad at iridiumdesign.com> wrote:
> I haven't used Gobby, I just looked at the project page and kind of 
> freaked at the amount of effort to try it. I've used DarwinPorts 
> before as a package manager but started running into too many 
> inconsistencies between Python based projects and started managing 
> everything by hand instead.
>
> I haven't had the opportunity to use SubEthaEdit either but I do have 
> an app that uses SubEthaEdit's text sharing code. Unfortunately I have

> nobody to share code with. :-(
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Jeff Hinrichs wrote:
>
> > So I take it you've used/installed Gobby before?  I just googled 
> > Gobby Mac and I see what you are talking about.  Too bad SubEthaEdit

> > doesn't run on more than Mac
http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/ .
> >
> > Anyone have experience with ACE http://ace.iserver.ch/index.php , it

> > looks to be a more friendly Mac install.
> >
> > -jeff
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: omaha-bounces at python.org [mailto:omaha-bounces at python.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Brad Siegfreid
> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:25 AM
> > To: Omaha Python Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [omaha] Meeting Location
> >
> > Ack!@#$!!
> >
> > Gobby does run on Mac OS X but takes a night to build and 3GB of 
> > disk space in addition to DarwinPorts which I no longer use. I think

> > I'd rather stick to watching over someone's shoulder or squinting 
> > across the table.
> >
> > I doubt this week's meeting will be too big to manage. We could use 
> > some sort of IM for passing URLs as a last resort if needed.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > On Jul 30, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
> >
> >> Eli,
> >>
> >> I didn't think to check out Clancy's on 114th.  I was scouting 
> >> locations closer to UNO.  Since it is so close to the meeting (Wed)

> >> what say we have it the 72nd street location this month, we can 
> >> scout the 114th location for the next meeting?  If you wouldn't 
> >> mind, could you check it out?
> >>
> >> Brad,
> >> Have either of you tried Gobby? http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/  Its a 
> >> collaborative editor supporting multiple documents in one session.
> >> Since we won't have a big screen, I was thinking of a more flexible

> >> way to show code / presentations.  It's easy to use, multi-platform

> >> and doesn't require a server (although that is supported).
> >>
> >> The other thing I'm trying to figure out is shared browsing.  Since

> >> I don't expect the meeting to be more than 4-6 people this time, it

> >> is not that big of a deal, but as the group grows it would be a 
> >> handy thing.  Allowing us to meet without the need for a 
> >> projector/big display.
> >>
> >> I am open to alternatives or suggestions.
> >>
> >> -Jeff
> >>
> >> On 7/30/07, Brad Siegfreid <brad at iridiumdesign.com> wrote:
> >>> Clancy's is OK with me (including the location mentioned by Eli) 
> >>> and I intend to be there.
> >>>
> >>> Is the problem with presentations a lack of privacy or a bigger 
> >>> display?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ok, UNO has been a bit slow to respond.  With the other locations

> >>>> I've scouted being a bit on the small side and having one problem

> >>>> or
> >
> >>>> another, I think I've found a workable solution - Clancy's @ 72nd

> >>>> and Pacific.
> >>>>
> >>>> Big tables so our group won't be a problem, food/drink and 
> >>>> wireless.
> >>>> If anyone has an objection, please voice it now -- I am going to 
> >>>> post the meeting location to the wiki tonight.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've got a couple ideas about how to work the presentations and 
> >>>> such
> >>>> -- I'll post more later tonight on that.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What say you?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jeff
> >>>> www.omahapython.org
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org 
> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org 
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Hinrichs
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org 
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> > Brad Siegfreid
> > brad at iridiumdesign.com
> >
> > Home: 402.884.8861
> > Mobile: 402.598.2014
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org 
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list Omaha at python.org 
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>
> Brad Siegfreid
> brad at iridiumdesign.com
>
> Home: 402.884.8861
> Mobile: 402.598.2014
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>
_______________________________________________
Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
Omaha at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
http://www.OmahaPython.org