[Numpy-discussion] Announcing toydist, improving distribution and packaging situation

[Keith Goodman]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Keith Goodman <kwgoodman at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:10 AM, René Dudfield <renesd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Robert Kern <robert.kern at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:47, René Dudfield <renesd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ravi <lists_ravi at lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday 30 December 2009 06:15:45 René Dudfield wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with many things in that post.  Except your conclusion on
>>>>>> multiple versions of packages in isolation.  Package isolation is like
>>>>>> processes, and package sharing is like threads - and threads are evil!
>>>>>
>>>>> You have stated this several times, but is there any evidence that this is the
>>>>> desire of the majority of users? In the scientific community, interactive
>>>>> experimentation is critical and users are typically not seasoned systems
>>>>> administrators. For such users, almost all packages installed after installing
>>>>> python itself are packages they use. In particular, all I want to do is to use
>>>>> apt/yum to get the packages (or ask my sysadmin, who rightfully has no
>>>>> interest in learning the intricacies of python package installation, to do so)
>>>>> and continue with my work. "Packages-in-isolation" is for people whose job is
>>>>> to run server farms, not interactive experimenters.
>>>>
>>>> 500+ packages on pypi.   Provide a counter point, otherwise the
>>>> evidence is against your position - overwhelmingly.
>>>
>>> Linux distributions, which are much, much more popular than any
>>> collection of packages on PyPI you might care to name. Isolated
>>> environments have their uses, but they are the exception, not the
>>> rule.
>>>
>>
>> wrong.  pypi has way more python packages than any linux distribution.
>>  8500+ listed, compared to how many in debian?
>
> Debian has over 30k packages. But I think he was talking about
> popularity, not the number of packages.

Oh, 30k is all packages not just python.