[moin-user] Moin no longer in debian stable?

[Lukasz Szybalski]

Paul,
Thank you for your comments.

To explore the 2.0 upgrade, (while I'm not familiar with its planned or
completed goals); does the moin 2.0 include "upgrade" scripts to convert
existing 1.9 repo's to 2.0 repo's assuming python 2 is no longer available?

If the upgrade scripts are there and the conversion process is somewhat
seamless, then to unify development and community I would say "for long
term" it might be more beneficial. But if the 2.0 is not backward
compatible aka does not contain an upgrade process, then that might be
challenging.

Thank you
Lucas


On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 6:48 PM Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:

> On Monday, 4 October 2021 02:17:14 CEST Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> > Hello,
> > We need to pick a lane.
> >
> > a) Either convert moin1.9 to python 3, and re-release stable as is.
> > (knowing we have to release 1.9.py3-bugfixes if any later.
> > or
> > b) Release moin 2.0 if its stable enough as new stable.
>
> It is a difficult choice. Moin 1.9 is what most of us know, but it isn't
> always particularly nice to work with. Then again, we are at least
> familiar
> with it. Moin 2.0 seems rather up in the air:
>
> https://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0
>
> I guess the actual repository might provide more accurate information
> about
> its state:
>
> https://github.com/moinwiki/moin
>
> My impression is that quite a bit of the technology is the same or
> similar, so
> some of the same observations might apply, but one could argue that it is
> more
> actively developed than Moin 1.9.
>
> > Otherwise we risk total loss of confidence in the moin project and
> eventual
> > death.
>
> Well, unless there is a vibrant community on GitHub using fashionable
> communications tools to coordinate development, I would say that we might
> have
> seen a substantial loss of confidence, or interest, or motivation,
> already.
> There is practically no engagement on this list or the developer list.
>
> > As it is right now, my own site is down and soon google will forget all
> my
> > ranking and bye bye 10 years of content work.
>
> Yes, we really want to avoid that kind of outcome.
>
> > So which shall it be?
> >
> > Who can or assist in doing a or b?
>
> I am open to either "lane", in principle, although I am not going to burn
> myself out pursuing this, either. Previous experience suggests that people
> can
> be enthusiastic right up to the point of doing something, and then they
> all
> step back and leave other people to finish the potentially open-ended task.
>
> Institutional users of Moin might also want to consider investing in the
> solution, as well. I'm all for helping Moin users have a viable solution
> for
> the future, but I am not in favour of shoring up the bottom line of
> various
> organisations and corporations because people don't want to have an
> awkward
> conversation with their bosses.
>
> I don't know whether Thomas, Roger or anyone closer to Moin is willing to
> say
> what they think might be done to deliver a usable solution from either of
> the
> possible starting points, but I would welcome the engagement from them on
> the
> topic. Otherwise, I guess it will be up to us to determine what the
> situation
> is and what we can usefully do to remedy it.
>
> Paul
>
>
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