From jkwight at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 04:48:02 2013
From: jkwight at gmail.com (Jim Wight)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:48:02 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] first install of moinmoin / my wiki does not look
 like origin moinmoin wiki pages
In-Reply-To: <529A30F9.5050103@os-plus.org>
References: <52834413.7000104@os-plus.org>
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On 30 November 2013 18:39, christian jeannot <info at os-plus.org> wrote:

> i have checked my environment for a path like
> "/path/to/lib/python-d.d/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs"
>
> i have found 2 directories which are linked to each other. i do not know
> if this is normal. i have checked for bugs for moinmoin in ubuntu 12.04
> but found nothing about it.
>
> root at carida:/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/MoinMoin/web/static# ll
> insgesamt 16
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov  9 15:30 ./
> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Nov  9 15:30 ../
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   59 Dez 30  2012 htdocs ->
> ../../../../../../share/pyshared/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   64 Dez 30  2012 __init__.py ->
> ../../../../../../share/pyshared/MoinMoin/web/static/__init__.py
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3758 Nov  9 15:30 __init__.pyc
>
> root at carida:/usr/share/pyshared/MoinMoin/web/static# ll
> insgesamt 16
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov  9 15:30 ./
> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Nov  9 15:30 ../
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  107 Dez 30  2012 htdocs ->
>
> ../../../../../lib/python2.7/dist-packages/MoinMoin/web/static/debian/python-moinmoin/usr/share/moin/htdocs
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3541 Dez 30  2012 __init__.py
>
> i have opened a a thread at ubuntu forum where you can see my
> configuration
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191024&p=12861707#post12861707
>
> is my static config the one you mean?
>

I'm running an old Xubuntu, but I install MoinMoin from source in order to
be up to date.

However, I've now installed the MoinMoin package. It's 1.9.2 and has a
similar layout to that. The htdocs directory is in /usr/share/moin, so
assuming that is the same in your case

   alias  /moin_static193  "/usr/share/moin/htdocs"

should work.

In following the advice in the link you quoted in your first message you've
tried to use

   alias  /moin_static193  "usr/share/moin/htdocs"

Note the missing leading slash. Is that all that the problem is?

Jim
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From info at os-plus.org  Wed Dec  4 03:26:52 2013
From: info at os-plus.org (christian jeannot)
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 09:26:52 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] first install of moinmoin / my wiki does not look
 like origin moinmoin wiki pages
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Am 03.12.2013 10:48, schrieb Jim Wight:
> On 30 November 2013 18:39, christian jeannot <info at os-plus.org
> <mailto:info at os-plus.org>> wrote:
>
>     i have checked my environment for a path like
>     "/path/to/lib/python-d.d/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs"
>
>     i have found 2 directories which are linked to each other. i do not know
>     if this is normal. i have checked for bugs for moinmoin in ubuntu 12.04
>     but found nothing about it.
>
>     root at carida:/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/MoinMoin/web/static# ll
>     insgesamt 16
>     drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov  9 15:30 ./
>     drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Nov  9 15:30 ../
>     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   59 Dez 30  2012 htdocs ->
>     ../../../../../../share/pyshared/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs
>     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   64 Dez 30  2012 __init__.py ->
>     ../../../../../../share/pyshared/MoinMoin/web/static/__init__.py
>     -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3758 Nov  9 15:30 __init__.pyc
>
>     root at carida:/usr/share/pyshared/MoinMoin/web/static# ll
>     insgesamt 16
>     drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov  9 15:30 ./
>     drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Nov  9 15:30 ../
>     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  107 Dez 30  2012 htdocs ->
>     ../../../../../lib/python2.7/dist-packages/MoinMoin/web/static/debian/python-moinmoin/usr/share/moin/htdocs
>     -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3541 Dez 30  2012 __init__.py
>
>     i have opened a a thread at ubuntu forum where you can see my
>     configuration
>     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191024&p=12861707#post12861707
>
>     is my static config the one you mean?
>
>
> I'm running an old Xubuntu, but I install MoinMoin from source in order
> to be up to date.
>
> However, I've now installed the MoinMoin package. It's 1.9.2 and has a
> similar layout to that. The htdocs directory is in /usr/share/moin, so
> assuming that is the same in your case
>
>     alias  /moin_static193  "/usr/share/moin/htdocs"
>
> should work.
>
> In following the advice in the link you quoted in your first message
> you've tried to use
>
>     alias  /moin_static193  "usr/share/moin/htdocs"
>
> Note the missing leading slash. Is that all that the problem is?
>
> Jim

hello jim,

many thanks. this was my error. now i have the static part and can start 
to use the moinmoin wiki :-)

best regards

--christian



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From tal_hd at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  6 09:01:07 2013
From: tal_hd at hotmail.com (Tal Hadad)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 16:01:07 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] Enable CKEditor in Moin2
Message-ID: <DUB118-W8EFA93275377141C9D993E5D60@phx.gbl>

How can I enable the CKEditor in Moin2?
All I can see is a text editor, under "Modify" link.

Tal
 		 	   		  
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From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Sun Dec  8 19:06:57 2013
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 01:06:57 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Enable CKEditor in Moin2
In-Reply-To: <DUB118-W8EFA93275377141C9D993E5D60@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB118-W8EFA93275377141C9D993E5D60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <52A509A1.2010705@waldmann-edv.de>

> How can I enable the CKEditor in Moin2?
> All I can see is a text editor, under "Modify" link.

If you edit a text/html contenttype item, it should use ckeditor.




From tal_hd at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  9 01:13:01 2013
From: tal_hd at hotmail.com (Tal Hadad)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:13:01 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] Enable CKEditor in Moin2
In-Reply-To: <DUB118-W51BFC2F62F924D1C72D233E5D30@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB118-W8EFA93275377141C9D993E5D60@phx.gbl>,
	<52A509A1.2010705@waldmann-edv.de>,
	<DUB118-W51BFC2F62F924D1C72D233E5D30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DUB118-W5163043234C83A15AE4EF4E5D30@phx.gbl>

OK I saw this, but yet, isn't there a simple conversion from html to wiki and so reverse like moin 1.9.7?

I read there is a massive work in conversion many formats to DOM and so in reverse,
and I wonder if a same page could be edited once in WIKI format and once in HTML format.

The reason is obvious - some users prefers what old moin called "GUI" and some prefers "text".

Is this possible in Moin2? Will it be?

Thanks
Tal

> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 01:06:57 +0100
> From: tw at waldmann-edv.de
> To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Enable CKEditor in Moin2
> 
> > How can I enable the CKEditor in Moin2?
> > All I can see is a text editor, under "Modify" link.
> 
> If you edit a text/html contenttype item, it should use ckeditor.
> 
> 
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From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Mon Dec  9 06:53:27 2013
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 12:53:27 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Enable CKEditor in Moin2
In-Reply-To: <DUB118-W5163043234C83A15AE4EF4E5D30@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB118-W8EFA93275377141C9D993E5D60@phx.gbl>,
	<52A509A1.2010705@waldmann-edv.de>,
	<DUB118-W51BFC2F62F924D1C72D233E5D30@phx.gbl>
	<DUB118-W5163043234C83A15AE4EF4E5D30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <52A5AF37.8050004@waldmann-edv.de>

On 12/09/2013 07:13 AM, Tal Hadad wrote:
> OK I saw this, but yet, isn't there a simple conversion from html to
> wiki and so reverse like moin 1.9.7?

As you may have noticed, this stuff is neither simple nor unproblematic,
it had quite some fundamental issues in moin 1.x.

Also, (f)ckeditor is javascript stuff, so every customization there
needs work in javascript (and I am not a js developer).

> I read there is a massive work in conversion many formats to DOM and so
> in reverse, and I wonder if a same page could be edited once in WIKI format
> and once in HTML format.

Theoretically yes, but:
* there might be roundtrip issues
* there might be fundamental issues
* there is a lot of other stuff to do (for me)

So, I won't put effort into implementing that in the foreseeable future.

If you want to help, you can start improving the converters, looking out
for roundtrip issues.





From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon Dec  9 07:40:06 2013
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 13:40:06 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Enable CKEditor in Moin2
In-Reply-To: <52A5AF37.8050004@waldmann-edv.de>
References: <DUB118-W8EFA93275377141C9D993E5D60@phx.gbl>
	<DUB118-W5163043234C83A15AE4EF4E5D30@phx.gbl>
	<52A5AF37.8050004@waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <201312091340.06311.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 9. December 2013 12.53.27 Thomas Waldmann wrote:
> On 12/09/2013 07:13 AM, Tal Hadad wrote:
> > OK I saw this, but yet, isn't there a simple conversion from html to
> > wiki and so reverse like moin 1.9.7?
> 
> As you may have noticed, this stuff is neither simple nor unproblematic,
> it had quite some fundamental issues in moin 1.x.
> 
> Also, (f)ckeditor is javascript stuff, so every customization there
> needs work in javascript (and I am not a js developer).

I don't remember the details of (f)ckeditor and how it actually does its 
thing, but I was introduced to the contenteditable support in modern browsers 
and played around with it somewhat. Was there any plan to look at supporting 
contenteditable in Moin? It would have to involve the same Moin-to-HTML round-
trip, and extra JavaScript controls would still be necessary to control 
formatting, and maybe this wouldn't end up offering any benefits over 
(f)ckeditor, but I just wondered if it had been discussed in the recent past.

> > I read there is a massive work in conversion many formats to DOM and so
> > in reverse, and I wonder if a same page could be edited once in WIKI
> > format and once in HTML format.
> 
> Theoretically yes, but:
> * there might be roundtrip issues
> * there might be fundamental issues
> * there is a lot of other stuff to do (for me)
> 
> So, I won't put effort into implementing that in the foreseeable future.
> 
> If you want to help, you can start improving the converters, looking out
> for roundtrip issues.

I'd agree with this: conversion is probably the key issue.

Paul



From kai at aplteam.com  Thu Dec 12 03:37:36 2013
From: kai at aplteam.com (Kai Jaeger)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:37:36 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Moin performance desastrous
Message-ID: <CAH2kyOGxcObxtObS=pi6bjVfYVmjCDPxWvqu8-R=4ugekC-ewg@mail.gmail.com>

Moin!

I am suffering from performance problems. Delivery of pages can take up to
80 seconds. See http://aplwiki.com/

The CPU is kept busy by the http process.

Looking into the ACCESS log nothing obvious caught my eye. The ERROR log is
much more interesting. There are thousands of entries like this:

WARNING MoinMoin.util.filesys:110
mkdir(('...\\\\data\\\\cache\\\\aplwiki\\\\pagegroups\\\\__lock__\\\\write_lock',),
{}) -> access denied. retrying...

What is going on here?! Advice is welcome.


Kai
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From tal_hd at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 12 06:27:44 2013
From: tal_hd at hotmail.com (Tal Hadad)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:27:44 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] Enable CKEditor in Moin2
In-Reply-To: <52A5AF37.8050004@waldmann-edv.de>
References: <DUB118-W8EFA93275377141C9D993E5D60@phx.gbl>, ,
	<52A509A1.2010705@waldmann-edv.de>, ,
	<DUB118-W51BFC2F62F924D1C72D233E5D30@phx.gbl>,
	<DUB118-W5163043234C83A15AE4EF4E5D30@phx.gbl>,
	<52A5AF37.8050004@waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <DUB118-W330DE46D5FB77624593FF3E5DC0@phx.gbl>

OK, from  your response I see it won't be enabled in Moin 2.0.0,
maybe in Moin 2.X later.

I personally wanted it for my projects because I love the "cutting edge",
but I guess I should stay in 1.9.7.

I'm no expert in neither Python nor convertors, so I trust what you're saying.

Only one question left I still would like to know:
How can I use the converter(even with it's issues) to convert from HTML to WIKI?
(I mean "which button do this" :-) )

Thanks for your response!
Tal

> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 12:53:27 +0100
> From: tw at waldmann-edv.de
> To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Enable CKEditor in Moin2
> 
> On 12/09/2013 07:13 AM, Tal Hadad wrote:
> > OK I saw this, but yet, isn't there a simple conversion from html to
> > wiki and so reverse like moin 1.9.7?
> 
> As you may have noticed, this stuff is neither simple nor unproblematic,
> it had quite some fundamental issues in moin 1.x.
> 
> Also, (f)ckeditor is javascript stuff, so every customization there
> needs work in javascript (and I am not a js developer).
> 
> > I read there is a massive work in conversion many formats to DOM and so
> > in reverse, and I wonder if a same page could be edited once in WIKI format
> > and once in HTML format.
> 
> Theoretically yes, but:
> * there might be roundtrip issues
> * there might be fundamental issues
> * there is a lot of other stuff to do (for me)
> 
> So, I won't put effort into implementing that in the foreseeable future.
> 
> If you want to help, you can start improving the converters, looking out
> for roundtrip issues.
> 
> 
> 
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From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Fri Dec 13 07:39:14 2013
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:39:14 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Moin performance desastrous
In-Reply-To: <CAH2kyOGxcObxtObS=pi6bjVfYVmjCDPxWvqu8-R=4ugekC-ewg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH2kyOGxcObxtObS=pi6bjVfYVmjCDPxWvqu8-R=4ugekC-ewg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52AAFFF2.8090303@waldmann-edv.de>

> I am suffering from performance problems. Delivery of pages can take up
> to 80 seconds. See http://aplwiki.com/
> 
> The CPU is kept busy by the http process. 

You could enable the timing log feature (see docs/CHANGES in the repo)
to see what requests are really taking long.

I recently also added some features that enable some performance tuning.

http://moinmo.in/HowTo/Tune%20Performance is maybe also interesting.

Often, such stuff is caused by frequent accesses to expensive
functionality (e.g. searches, pagelists, custom dynamic stuff) done by
users or bots.

The repo code should be pretty stable, btw. I plan to do a new release
in the next weeks.

> Looking into the ACCESS log nothing obvious caught my eye. The ERROR log
> is much more interesting. There are thousands of entries like this:
> 
> WARNING MoinMoin.util.filesys:110
> mkdir(('...\\\\data\\\\cache\\\\aplwiki\\\\pagegroups\\\\__lock__\\\\write_lock',),
> {}) -> access denied. retrying...

Windows?

> What is going on here?! Advice is welcome.

If you can find out what exactly is causing the "access denied" I worked
around there, I'ld be glad to hear from you (I couldn't).

Only happens on Windows AFAIK.




From paul at boddie.org.uk  Fri Dec 13 08:21:28 2013
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:21:28 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Moin performance desastrous
In-Reply-To: <52AAFFF2.8090303@waldmann-edv.de>
References: <CAH2kyOGxcObxtObS=pi6bjVfYVmjCDPxWvqu8-R=4ugekC-ewg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52AAFFF2.8090303@waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <201312131421.29090.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Friday 13. December 2013 13.39.14 Thomas Waldmann wrote:
> 
> > Looking into the ACCESS log nothing obvious caught my eye. The ERROR log
> > is much more interesting. There are thousands of entries like this:
> > 
> > WARNING MoinMoin.util.filesys:110
> > mkdir(('...\\\\data\\\\cache\\\\aplwiki\\\\pagegroups\\\\__lock__\\\\writ
> > e_lock',), {}) -> access denied. retrying...
> 
> Windows?
> 
> > What is going on here?! Advice is welcome.
> 
> If you can find out what exactly is causing the "access denied" I worked
> around there, I'ld be glad to hear from you (I couldn't).
> 
> Only happens on Windows AFAIK.

Virus checking software or similar "helpful" Windows-only phenomena? Various 
projects recommend excluding their directories from such software's coverage 
tables so that the "helpful" process that wants to "scan" files all the time 
doesn't happen to have a file open (and thus on Windows, exclusively locked) 
when the project's software needs to open it.

Maybe this is something different, though, but it's something for the 
troubleshooting checklist whenever Windows is involved.

Paul



From kai at aplteam.com  Sat Dec 14 02:46:31 2013
From: kai at aplteam.com (Kai Jaeger)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 07:46:31 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Moin performance desastrous
In-Reply-To: <201312131421.29090.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <CAH2kyOGxcObxtObS=pi6bjVfYVmjCDPxWvqu8-R=4ugekC-ewg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52AAFFF2.8090303@waldmann-edv.de>
	<201312131421.29090.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAH2kyOGTaJpXzLRNU6QozaSccLxmXAafUx3XxgQjSptF=x79pw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Paul, but there is no Virus checker running on the machine.


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:

> On Friday 13. December 2013 13.39.14 Thomas Waldmann wrote:
> >
> > > Looking into the ACCESS log nothing obvious caught my eye. The ERROR
> log
> > > is much more interesting. There are thousands of entries like this:
> > >
> > > WARNING MoinMoin.util.filesys:110
> > >
> mkdir(('...\\\\data\\\\cache\\\\aplwiki\\\\pagegroups\\\\__lock__\\\\writ
> > > e_lock',), {}) -> access denied. retrying...
> >
> > Windows?
> >
> > > What is going on here?! Advice is welcome.
> >
> > If you can find out what exactly is causing the "access denied" I worked
> > around there, I'ld be glad to hear from you (I couldn't).
> >
> > Only happens on Windows AFAIK.
>
> Virus checking software or similar "helpful" Windows-only phenomena?
> Various
> projects recommend excluding their directories from such software's
> coverage
> tables so that the "helpful" process that wants to "scan" files all the
> time
> doesn't happen to have a file open (and thus on Windows, exclusively
> locked)
> when the project's software needs to open it.
>
> Maybe this is something different, though, but it's something for the
> troubleshooting checklist whenever Windows is involved.
>
> Paul
>
>
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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sat Dec 14 08:48:35 2013
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:48:35 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Moin performance desastrous
In-Reply-To: <CAH2kyOGTaJpXzLRNU6QozaSccLxmXAafUx3XxgQjSptF=x79pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH2kyOGxcObxtObS=pi6bjVfYVmjCDPxWvqu8-R=4ugekC-ewg@mail.gmail.com>
	<201312131421.29090.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<CAH2kyOGTaJpXzLRNU6QozaSccLxmXAafUx3XxgQjSptF=x79pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201312141448.37088.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Saturday 14. December 2013 08.46.31 you wrote:
> Thanks Paul, but there is no Virus checker running on the machine.

Sorry, but I had to mention it: something for the checklist, as I said. The 
other thing I thought about was that a remote filesystem might be involved. 
Could that be the case?

As the Moin sources in MoinMoin.util.filesys say, this is needed for stat, 
rmdir and mkdir on win32, but I couldn't find any explanation of it or any 
experiences others have had. If you could perhaps instrument the failure with 
some kind of call to see if another process has the file open - maybe Windows 
even thinks that the same Moin process still has the file open - using the 
equivalent to the Unix fuser command (or looking in the /proc filesystem), 
then we might get a better idea of what is going on.

Paul



From kai at aplteam.com  Mon Dec 16 04:10:00 2013
From: kai at aplteam.com (Kai Jaeger)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 09:10:00 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Moin performance desastrous
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I realize that this is probably a Windows or Apache issue rather than
a MoinMoin one.

Anyway: because I had to through Apache's error as well as the access
log I found something strange totally unrelated to my problem:

The most popular page on my wiki is:

... - - [16/Dec/2013:09:04:01 +0000] "GET
/HelpOnMacros/MonthCalendar/2006-09-29?diffs=1&show_att=1&action=rss_rc&unique=0&page=HelpOnMacros%2FMonthCalendar%2F2006-09-29&ddiffs=1
HTTP/1.0" 503 410

with different dates his page is called EVERY minute 20-30 times, all the time.

I wonder what is going on here...

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:
> On Saturday 14. December 2013 08.46.31 you wrote:
>> Thanks Paul, but there is no Virus checker running on the machine.
>
> Sorry, but I had to mention it: something for the checklist, as I said. The
> other thing I thought about was that a remote filesystem might be involved.
> Could that be the case?
>
> As the Moin sources in MoinMoin.util.filesys say, this is needed for stat,
> rmdir and mkdir on win32, but I couldn't find any explanation of it or any
> experiences others have had. If you could perhaps instrument the failure with
> some kind of call to see if another process has the file open - maybe Windows
> even thinks that the same Moin process still has the file open - using the
> equivalent to the Unix fuser command (or looking in the /proc filesystem),
> then we might get a better idea of what is going on.
>
> Paul



From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Tue Dec 17 05:50:52 2013
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:50:52 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Moin performance desastrous
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On 12/16/2013 10:10 AM, Kai Jaeger wrote:
> I realize that this is probably a Windows or Apache issue rather than
> a MoinMoin one.

Why?

> Anyway: because I had to through Apache's error as well as the access
> log I found something strange totally unrelated to my problem:
> 
> The most popular page on my wiki is:
> 
> ... - - [16/Dec/2013:09:04:01 +0000] "GET
> /HelpOnMacros/MonthCalendar/2006-09-29?diffs=1&show_att=1&action=rss_rc&unique=0&page=HelpOnMacros%2FMonthCalendar%2F2006-09-29&ddiffs=1
> HTTP/1.0" 503 410
> 
> with different dates his page is called EVERY minute 20-30 times, all the time.

Likely, some bot gone wild.

Notice that the http status is 503 as moin has already activated surge
protection against it - so processing such a request shouldn't take long
(as you could see when running latest code with timing log enabled).




From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Tue Dec 17 05:55:46 2013
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:55:46 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Moin performance desastrous
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> As the Moin sources in MoinMoin.util.filesys say, this is needed for stat, 
> rmdir and mkdir on win32, but I couldn't find any explanation of it or any 
> experiences others have had.

I added that (slightly silly) wrapper code long ago because it simply
did not work without on windows.

I never found out why, except that the root cause is NOT a virus
scanner, NOR windows search file indexing. I had both deinstalled /
disabled and it still happened.

> If you could perhaps instrument the failure with 
> some kind of call to see if another process has the file open - maybe Windows 
> even thinks that the same Moin process still has the file open - using the 
> equivalent to the Unix fuser command (or looking in the /proc filesystem), 
> then we might get a better idea of what is going on.

Yeah, that might be interesting. If any windows developer could help
here, that would be very much appreciated.




From kai at aplteam.com  Wed Dec 18 01:39:44 2013
From: kai at aplteam.com (Kai Jaeger)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:39:44 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Moin performance desastrous
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>> I realize that this is probably a Windows or Apache issue rather than
>> a MoinMoin one.
>
> Why?

Because it is the Apache process that consumes the resources, not
Python, and because the error log grows 100 MB a day.