From techtonik at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 14:10:32 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 11:10:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moin-user] Subscription requirement for posing
Message-ID: <31760419.328.1296760232367.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqeq15>

Hi,

I've tried to send two letters to this list, but can't find neither. Seems 
like I need to be subscribed to be able to post. It will help if 
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user page mention this 
fact.

Thanks.
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 07:52:23 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:52:23 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] Subscription requirement for posing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPB4L5xvQpnBdRZf45HB0_RvgnvmdbErAcQ8yr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <31760419.328.1296760232367.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqeq15>
	<39356B58-A536-485F-B099-C5A0A95F0859@me.com>
	<AANLkTikPB4L5xvQpnBdRZf45HB0_RvgnvmdbErAcQ8yr@mail.gmail.com>
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And you also need to send emails to moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net -
not to moin-user at googlegroups.com
--
anatoly t.


On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:00 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently it didn't. So you need to be subscribed at
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user, not only at
> Google Group.
> --
> anatoly t.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:50 AM, John Hurst <ajhurst at me.com> wrote:
>> Yes, I have tried posting, too, but with little success. ?Let's see if this
>> message gets through ...
>>
>> -- John Hurst
>> -- Adjunct A/Professor, Caulfield School of IT (Caulfield, H7.78)
>> -- Monash University, 900 Dandenong Rd, Caulfield East, VIC 3145 ?--
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ~ ~~~&#:
>> -- John.Hurst at monash.edu ?+61 3 990 32196 ? ? ? ?_..___ ?---____ at ___H__
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>> --
>> -- Self regulation is OK for everyone - except universities.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20110204, at 06:10 , anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've tried to send two letters to this list, but can't find neither. Seems
>>> like I need to be subscribed to be able to post. It will help if
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user page mention this
>>> fact.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Feb  7 10:47:06 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:47:06 -0600
Subject: [Moin-user] LocalBadContent - can it be not readable?
Message-ID: <19792.5114.158204.307586@montanaro.dyndns.org>


The Jython wiki has seen an uptick in spam page creation the past week or
two.  I've been deleting the pages and adding patterns to the
LocalBadContent page.  I wonder if making that page generally unreadable
will work.  (AdminGroup members could still see it of course.)

Thx,

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/



From rb.proj at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 11:42:31 2011
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:42:31 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] RFC: A better translation of MoinAPI/Beispiele
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinFKrmfycnLvdCnX39yrE_Og8NWyGvDoh=DeO4j@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinFKrmfycnLvdCnX39yrE_Og8NWyGvDoh=DeO4j@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <iip7dn$adv$1@dough.gmane.org>

Am 29.01.2011 18:05, schrieb Nick Demou:
> Google Translation of http://moinmo.in/MoinAPI/Beispiele is very hard
> to read. I took the wiki-source of the original (German) page, wrote a
> few handrend lines of python code and used Google Translate to make a
> new translation available at http://moinmo.in/MoinAPI/BeispieleEng
> 
> Note that my version is still machine translation but it's far better
> than the one you get by applying Google Translate in the html of the
> original German page. What I did was to try to translate only the
> German text and not the python code and any references to it. The
> result was better than I expected.
> 
> So check it out and tell me what you think.

Hi Nick

I renamed the page tp MoinAPI/Examples and will read it in the next days
completly, thx. for working on the translation.

cheers
Reimar





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> Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free!
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From dqc1584 at prodigy.net.mx  Mon Feb  7 11:42:28 2011
From: dqc1584 at prodigy.net.mx (dqc1584)
Date: Mon,  7 Feb 2011 10:42:28 -0600
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki issue - new user.
Message-ID: <LG9AES$280BEBB1A0F6285776A145CF5C737760@prodigy.net.mx>

Hi everyone,?
I am trying to run my wiki using moinmoin, python and apache, actually I followed all the procedure and seems to be install in good way, but when I try to open it the wiki interface is really weird, i guess i should be like a basic HTML web page display but is not in that way (attached a snapshot.).
?
The only error i am getting in apache log files is the next [Thu Feb 03 11:12:48 2011] [error] [client 10.30.52.160] File does not exist: C:/Program Files/Apache Software Foundation/Apache2.2/htdocs/moin_static193, referer: http://server/mywiki/LanguageSetup?highlight=%28%28FrontPage%29%29[Thu Feb 03 11:12:48 2011] [error] [client 10.30.52.160] 2011-02-03 11:12:47,877 WARNING MoinMoin.log:139 using logging configuration read from built-in fallback in MoinMoin.log module!\r, referer: http://server/mywiki/FrontPage[Thu Feb 03 11:12:48 2011] [error] [client 10.30.52.160] 2011-02-03 11:12:48,157 INFO MoinMoin.config.multiconfig:127 using wiki config: C:\\Moin\\mywiki\\wikiconfig.pyc\r, referer: http://server/mywiki/FrontPage
?
?
The installation details is:Paths --> 
?
?-C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation\Apache2.2?-C:\Python25?-C:\Moin\mywiki
?
As you can see in the paths, Apache version is 2.2 and python version is 2.5, as i read those versions are support by moinmoin.
?
Can somebody help me with this?I appreciate your inputs in advance.
?




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From rb.proj at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 11:24:56 2011
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:24:56 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki issue - new user.
In-Reply-To: <LG9AES$280BEBB1A0F6285776A145CF5C737760@prodigy.net.mx>
References: <LG9AES$280BEBB1A0F6285776A145CF5C737760@prodigy.net.mx>
Message-ID: <iirqoo$kdu$1@dough.gmane.org>

Am 07.02.2011 17:42, schrieb dqc1584:
> Hi everyone, 
> I am trying to run my wiki using moinmoin, python and apache, actually I followed all the procedure and seems to be install in good way, but when I try to open it the wiki interface is really weird, i guess i should be like a basic HTML web page display but is not in that way (attached a snapshot.).
>  
> The only error i am getting in apache log files is the next [Thu Feb 03 11:12:48 2011] [error] [client 10.30.52.160] File does not exist: C:/Program Files/Apache Software Foundation/Apache2.2/htdocs/moin_static193, referer: http://server/mywiki/LanguageSetup?highlight=%28%28FrontPage%29%29[Thu Feb 03 11:12:48 2011] [error] [client 10.30.52.160] 2011-02-03 11:12:47,877 WARNING MoinMoin.log:139 using logging configuration read from built-in fallback in MoinMoin.log module!\r, referer: http://server/mywiki/FrontPage[Thu Feb 03 11:12:48 2011] [error] [client 10.30.52.160] 2011-02-03 11:12:48,157 INFO MoinMoin.config.multiconfig:127 using wiki config: C:\\Moin\\mywiki\\wikiconfig.pyc\r, referer: http://server/mywiki/FrontPage
>  

please read (or in your wikiconfig.py)

http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/b1b82826f8b8/wiki/config/wikiconfig.py#l56
and following lines


I guess you don't have set the right url_prefix_static, because all css
is missing on your image

cheers
Reimar

>  
> The installation details is:Paths --> 
>  
>  -C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation\Apache2.2 -C:\Python25 -C:\Moin\mywiki
>  
> As you can see in the paths, Apache version is 2.2 and python version is 2.5, as i read those versions are support by moinmoin.
>  
> Can somebody help me with this?I appreciate your inputs in advance.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From tw-public at gmx.de  Wed Feb  9 06:44:37 2011
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 12:44:37 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] LocalBadContent - can it be not readable?
In-Reply-To: <19792.5114.158204.307586@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19792.5114.158204.307586@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1297251877.4275.7.camel@x300>

> The Jython wiki has seen an uptick in spam page creation the past week or
> two.  I've been deleting the pages and adding patterns to the
> LocalBadContent page.

You should rather add them to http://master19.moinmo.in/BadContent so
everybody gets them.

> I wonder if making that page generally unreadable
> will work.  (AdminGroup members could still see it of course.)

Just try. You'll notice it on first page save if something does not
work.

BTW, as a general remark: the wiki is running moin 1.7.1 which is a
rather old version. Newer moins (don't remember since when) have
textchas to avoid spam, you maybe want to try that. With the right
questions, it'll keep spammers away.
Regular editors can be added to a special no-textcha group, so they
don't get annoyed.





From skip at pobox.com  Wed Feb  9 12:55:29 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:55:29 -0600
Subject: [Moin-user] LocalBadContent - can it be not readable?
In-Reply-To: <1297251877.4275.7.camel@x300>
References: <19792.5114.158204.307586@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1297251877.4275.7.camel@x300>
Message-ID: <19794.54545.879582.865176@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> The Jython wiki has seen an uptick in spam page creation the past
    >> week or two.  I've been deleting the pages and adding patterns to the
    >> LocalBadContent page.

    Thomas> You should rather add them to
    Thomas> http://master19.moinmo.in/BadContent so everybody gets them.

Thanks.  I have a problem with the whole BadContent concept though.  The
exclusion patterns I added locally involve home, auto and life insurance.
I'm pretty confident they are not appropropriate terms for a Jython or
Python wiki.  I am much less sure that they belong in a global BadContent
page.  What happens if someone has a Moin wiki which deals with insurance?
Many of their page edits would likely start breaking.

    >> I wonder if making that page generally unreadable
    >> will work.  (AdminGroup members could still see it of course.)

    Thomas> Just try. You'll notice it on first page save if something does
    Thomas> not work.

Will give it a try.

    Thomas> BTW, as a general remark: the wiki is running moin 1.7.1 which
    Thomas> is a rather old version. Newer moins (don't remember since when)
    Thomas> have textchas to avoid spam, you maybe want to try that. With
    Thomas> the right questions, it'll keep spammers away.  Regular editors
    Thomas> can be added to a special no-textcha group, so they don't get
    Thomas> annoyed.

We use textchas on the Python wiki (maybe we installed something from the
MacroMarket, I don't recall).  I guess we should be able to enable them for
the Jython wiki as well.  As for upgrading, I suspect all the volunteers are
just too busy to worry about it.  Can't be bleeding edge (or even leading
edge) on everything.  That said, if there is a member of the Moin community
who is interested in helping to maintain the Python & Jython wiki
installation, feel free to drop a note to pydotorg-www at python.org.

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/



From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed Feb  9 13:10:57 2011
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 19:10:57 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] LocalBadContent - can it be not readable?
In-Reply-To: <19794.54545.879582.865176@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19792.5114.158204.307586@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1297251877.4275.7.camel@x300>
	<19794.54545.879582.865176@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1297275057.18833.16.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

>     Thomas> You should rather add them to
>     Thomas> http://master19.moinmo.in/BadContent so everybody gets them.
> 
> Thanks.  I have a problem with the whole BadContent concept though.  The
> exclusion patterns I added locally involve home, auto and life insurance.
> I'm pretty confident they are not appropropriate terms for a Jython or
> Python wiki.  I am much less sure that they belong in a global BadContent
> page.  What happens if someone has a Moin wiki which deals with insurance?

Well, I meant the spam URLs, not just single words or something too
generic. Spam links are likely nowhere wanted.

> We use textchas on the Python wiki (maybe we installed something from the
> MacroMarket, I don't recall).

textchas are built-in since they exist, IIRC.

> As for upgrading, I suspect all the volunteers are
> just too busy to worry about it.  Can't be bleeding edge (or even leading
> edge) on everything.

Bleeding edge is moin2. I would not suggest that for production right
now. :)

moin 1.9.x is stable and won't see much changes any more, mostly
maintenance and security.

> That said, if there is a member of the Moin community
> who is interested in helping to maintain the Python & Jython wiki
> installation, feel free to drop a note to pydotorg-www at python.org.

I'll always help, just ask (e.g. on #moin on IRC or here).

I somewhat hate mailing lists, though.

Cheers,

Thomas





From fdrake at acm.org  Wed Feb  9 13:41:57 2011
From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:41:57 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] LocalBadContent - can it be not readable?
In-Reply-To: <1297275057.18833.16.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <19792.5114.158204.307586@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1297251877.4275.7.camel@x300>
	<19794.54545.879582.865176@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1297275057.18833.16.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTincM6CReKa4qHV5igoTSYNNxn4GeXgUw5Y4+um7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Thomas Waldmann <tw at waldmann-edv.de> wrote:
> I somewhat hate mailing lists, though.

Heh.  What better way to find out when someone changed a wiki?

I treasure my overflowing inbox.  :-)


? -Fred

--
Fred L. Drake, Jr.? ? <fdrake at acm.org>
"A storm broke loose in my mind."? --Albert Einstein



From rb.proj at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 07:56:09 2011
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:56:09 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] LocalBadContent - can it be not readable?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTincM6CReKa4qHV5igoTSYNNxn4GeXgUw5Y4+um7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19792.5114.158204.307586@montanaro.dyndns.org>	<1297251877.4275.7.camel@x300>	<19794.54545.879582.865176@montanaro.dyndns.org>	<1297275057.18833.16.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<AANLkTincM6CReKa4qHV5igoTSYNNxn4GeXgUw5Y4+um7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ij3bl9$g7n$1@dough.gmane.org>

Am 09.02.2011 19:41, schrieb Fred Drake:
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Thomas Waldmann <tw at waldmann-edv.de> wrote:
>> I somewhat hate mailing lists, though.
> 
> Heh.  What better way to find out when someone changed a wiki?
> 

that is one direction only and you don't use a ML for that ;)

We had a session about "Collaboration tools and practices"
http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Collaboration_tools_and_practices

"easy to start a discussion, hard to end one!"

> I treasure my overflowing inbox.  :-)

communication on irc is much faster and costs less time ;)

Usually everyone gets help who joined in and takes a little bit patience.



Reimar

> 
> 
>   -Fred
> 
> --
> Fred L. Drake, Jr.    <fdrake at acm.org>
> "A storm broke loose in my mind."  --Albert Einstein
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE:
> Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen.
> Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle.
> Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb





From ndemou at gmail.com  Sun Feb 13 03:54:30 2011
From: ndemou at gmail.com (Nick Demou)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:54:30 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] RFC: A better translation of MoinAPI/Beispiele
In-Reply-To: <iip7dn$adv$1@dough.gmane.org>
References: <AANLkTinFKrmfycnLvdCnX39yrE_Og8NWyGvDoh=DeO4j@mail.gmail.com>
	<iip7dn$adv$1@dough.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimy+Q_tAP+0CN7RMTaVSAb+MSyrD+tDpZkkA4ye@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:42 PM, R.Bauer <rb.proj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Am 29.01.2011 18:05, schrieb Nick Demou:
> > [...]
> > new translation available at http://moinmo.in/MoinAPI/Examples
> > [...]
> > So check it out and tell me what you think.
>
> [...]
> I renamed the page tp MoinAPI/Examples and will read it in the next days
> completly,

Thanks Reimar Your help will be more than welcome
I've added a link to the new page in MoinDev next to the link to the
original (noting that it's just a sufferable machine translation) for
two reasons:
1) I believe it's good enough to help visitors and
2) by increasing it's visibility maybe someone else will also fix
things here and there

What do you think of spliting this big page in sub-pages? Editing such
a long text is not easy.



From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Tue Feb 22 07:32:01 2011
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:32:01 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] New moin2 repo, new issue tracker
Message-ID: <1298377921.10510.50.camel@x300>

See there for details:

http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0 (links at the top)

http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0/InfrastructurePlans (background)





From techtonik at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 10:52:01 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:52:01 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] License for MoinMoin2 rewrite
Message-ID: <AANLkTinm9B6daK6hq_RabSxDRPFOqO4nhipEaYojMkCr@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've noticed MoinMoin is planning a rewrite from scratch for version
2. It is a good opportunity to reconsider licensing scheme - choosing
Affero GPL to close the ASP loophole or to switch to MIT-like
licensing scheme, so that markup engine and auxiliary code can be
shared with non-GPL projects. It is interesting to know what core
MoinMoin developers think about this?

P.S. This is my 3rd attempt to send this message - previous postings
through Google Groups failed. Hope it passes through this time.
--
anatoly t.



From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed Feb 23 06:42:01 2011
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:42:01 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] License for MoinMoin2 rewrite
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinm9B6daK6hq_RabSxDRPFOqO4nhipEaYojMkCr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinm9B6daK6hq_RabSxDRPFOqO4nhipEaYojMkCr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1298461321.23389.28.camel@x300>


> I've noticed MoinMoin is planning a rewrite from scratch for version
> 2.

Well, it's a bit more than planning, we are half through with it. :)

But it is not quite like we started from zero, it is more a
transformation, ongoing for a rather long time since the first attempts.

> It is a good opportunity to reconsider licensing scheme - choosing
> Affero GPL to close the ASP loophole or to switch to MIT-like
> licensing scheme, so that markup engine and auxiliary code can be
> shared with non-GPL projects. It is interesting to know what core
> MoinMoin developers think about this?

Well I have misc ideas about this:

a) yes, "GPL v2 or later" has some issues. Like unclear status of
(in)compatibility with apache license (we even have some contributions
using apache licensed software that are still in unclear status because
of this). Like our code not being usable within other projects under
other licenses.

b) I still principally like the ideas of the GPL. While it is more
restrictive than MIT/BSD, this restrictiveness protects users' freedoms.

c) lots of authors have contributed to moin - it would be a pain to get
everybody's agreement about a license change

So, while I see your point (and, personally, I am not principally
against a license change), I don't think we can change the license with
reasonable effort.





From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed Feb 23 07:20:03 2011
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:20:03 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] license docstrings in the code
In-Reply-To: <1298461321.23389.28.camel@x300>
References: <AANLkTinm9B6daK6hq_RabSxDRPFOqO4nhipEaYojMkCr@mail.gmail.com>
	<1298461321.23389.28.camel@x300>
Message-ID: <1298463603.23389.56.camel@x300>

A somewhat related topic:

We have authors and reference to the license as docstring in every
module, like:

"""
MoinMoin - wsgi application setup and related code

Use create_app(config) to create the WSGI application (using Flask).

@copyright: 2000-2006 by Juergen Hermann <jh at web.de>,
            2002-2011 MoinMoin:ThomasWaldmann,
            2008 MoinMoin:FlorianKrupicka,
            2010 MoinMoin:DiogenesAugusto
@license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
"""

(the COPYING license document is also contained in the repo / release
archives)


There are some issues with this method:

a) it is hard to maintain the author list there, the years and (in case
of a license change) the license reference. Author list tends to be
incomplete (some contributors don't add themselves) or outdated (code of
some authors might be removed later, but not author's name). after a
while one usually does not know any more what exactly is from whom.

b) we want to automatically create documentation (using sphinx + some
script) from the source code. The module docstring would give more
pretty docs if there was not that author/license stuff repeated hundreds
of times.


Alternatives:

a) Have some file AUTHORS (or CONTRIBUTORS?) that lists everybody having
contributed to the project. Remove all author references from the moin
module/package docstrings.

b) Have some file LICENSE that refers to the relevant licenses, like GPL
v2, GPL v3 and also note something like "unless otherwise noted" to make
exceptions for contributed / 3rd party code possible.

c) Refer to these files from MoinMoin package docstring (and only from
there, once).


I am no lawyer and no licensing expert - does anybody have a qualified
opinion about this?





From ndw at nwalsh.com  Wed Feb 23 08:03:53 2011
From: ndw at nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:03:53 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] IndexError
Message-ID: <m2fwrehphi.fsf@nwalsh.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to migrate a Moin wiki from 1.5.6 to 1.9.2. The install seemed
ok, the data migration seemed ok, but I'm getting sporadic list index out
of range errors. Does this look familiar to anyone?

[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error] 2011-02-23 07:59:50,994 ERROR MoinMoin.wsgiapp:293 An exception has occurred [http://docbookwiki/DocBookWikiHome?action=edit].
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error] Traceback (most recent call last):
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 282, in __call__
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     response = run(context)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 88, in run
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     response = dispatch(request, context, action_name)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 136, in dispatch
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     response = handle_action(context, pagename, action_name)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 195, in handle_action
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     handler(context.page.page_name, context)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/action/edit.py", line 24, in execute
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     if not request.user.may.write(pagename):
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/security/__init__.py", line 150, in <lambda>
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     return lambda pagename: _check(self.request, pagename, self.name, attr)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/security/__init__.py", line 85, in _check
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     acl = p.getACL(request) # this will be fast in a reused page obj
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/Page.py", line 1564, in getACL
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     currentRevision = self.current_rev()
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/Page.py", line 418, in current_rev
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     pagefile, rev, exists = self.get_rev()
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/Page.py", line 386, in get_rev
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     cache_data = request.cfg.cache.meta.getItem(request, cache_name, cache_key)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/Page.py", line 88, in getItem
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     self.refresh(request)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/Page.py", line 115, in refresh
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     new_pos, items = elog.news(old_pos)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/logfile/editlog.py", line 249, in news
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     self.seek(oldposition)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/logfile/__init__.py", line 408, in seek
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     forward=False)
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]   File "/usr/local/moin-1.9.2/MoinMoin/logfile/__init__.py", line 60, in __init__
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error]     begin += len(lines[0])
[Wed Feb 23 07:59:50 2011] [error] IndexError: list index out of range

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
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From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Thu Feb 24 05:50:06 2011
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:50:06 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] IndexError
In-Reply-To: <m2fwrehphi.fsf@nwalsh.com>
References: <m2fwrehphi.fsf@nwalsh.com>
Message-ID: <1298544606.8957.15.camel@x300>

Hi Norman,

> I'm trying to migrate a Moin wiki from 1.5.6 to 1.9.2.

1.9.3 is currently the latest release btw.

> The install seemed
> ok, the data migration seemed ok, but I'm getting sporadic list index out
> of range errors. Does this look familiar to anyone?

No, not familiar.

But it looks like there is a problem with data/edit-log. That should be
a text file with many log lines about your edits (used by
RecentChanges).

Is it 0 bytes maybe? Damaged otherwise? If you can live with an empty RC
slowly filling up again as you start editing pages, maybe try putting a
linefeed or at least one entry into there (edit a page, if possible).

Maybe check again if your migration was really successful, the
data/edit-log should be converted iirc.

Cheers,

Thomas





From ndw at nwalsh.com  Fri Feb 25 06:57:49 2011
From: ndw at nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 06:57:49 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] IndexError
References: <m2fwrehphi.fsf@nwalsh.com> <1298544606.8957.15.camel@x300>
Message-ID: <m262s8gwci.fsf@nwalsh.com>

Thomas Waldmann <tw at waldmann-edv.de> writes:
> Hi Norman,
>
>> I'm trying to migrate a Moin wiki from 1.5.6 to 1.9.2.
>
> 1.9.3 is currently the latest release btw.

Ok. Do you think I should try to get 1.9.2 working first, or upgrade
to 1.9.3 first?

> But it looks like there is a problem with data/edit-log. That should be
> a text file with many log lines about your edits (used by
> RecentChanges).

I blew it away and Moin recreated it, but the problems are still
occurring.

> Maybe check again if your migration was really successful, the
> data/edit-log should be converted iirc.

I guess I could try the migration again...

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
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From ndw at nwalsh.com  Fri Feb 25 07:11:11 2011
From: ndw at nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:11:11 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] IndexError
In-Reply-To: <m262s8gwci.fsf@nwalsh.com> (Norman Walsh's message of "Fri, 25
	Feb 2011 06:57:49 -0500")
References: <m2fwrehphi.fsf@nwalsh.com> <1298544606.8957.15.camel@x300>
	<m262s8gwci.fsf@nwalsh.com>
Message-ID: <m2zkpkfh5s.fsf@nwalsh.com>

So, as an experiment, I blew away wiki/data and wiki/underlay and copied
them from the distribution again. I'm seeing the same problem, so perhaps
there's a more subtle configuration error on my part having nothing to
do with the migrated data...

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
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http://nwalsh.com/            | people die anymore than it ceases to be
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From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Fri Feb 25 07:16:18 2011
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:16:18 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] IndexError
In-Reply-To: <m262s8gwci.fsf@nwalsh.com>
References: <m2fwrehphi.fsf@nwalsh.com> <1298544606.8957.15.camel@x300>
	<m262s8gwci.fsf@nwalsh.com>
Message-ID: <1298636178.23126.6.camel@x300>

> Ok. Do you think I should try to get 1.9.2 working first, or upgrade
> to 1.9.3 first?

Well, if you have no special reason to use 1.9.2, you should always use
latest 1.9.x release. We are mostly doing bugfixes in 1.9.

I don't remember fixing editlog issues recently, though.

> I blew it away and Moin recreated it, but the problems are still
> occurring.
> 
> > Maybe check again if your migration was really successful, the
> > data/edit-log should be converted iirc.
> 
> I guess I could try the migration again...

If it doesn't work out, I could help you with it. I'ld either need the
data or shell access to the system to reproduce / debug the problem.

Cheers,

Thomas

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From kai at aplteam.com  Fri Feb 25 14:35:57 2011
From: kai at aplteam.com (Kai Jaeger)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:35:57 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Page drafts
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8-OWygWbzvSXwnJGzfn5vmbrCH3MfH80W3OZ3@mail.gmail.com>

I need to know where Moin is saving its drafts. I created quite a
complex page, relying on the draft mechanism. When I tried to reload
it there was no draft. My guess is that I misspelled the name of the
page.

Advice is welcome.

Kai



From jlist9 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 27 03:26:55 2011
From: jlist9 at gmail.com (jlist9)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:26:55 -0800
Subject: [Moin-user] Is LDAP auth in desktop mode possible?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikYVN+irMP-G3BfPFYeKs4Edjx=qEKeTNPkJf4M@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm evaluating moinmoin for an internal wiki. It's meant to be a simple set up
in company LAN so I'm thinking to run it in the desktop mode. However, I'm
having a hard time to make LDAP auth work. I put the code in
ldap_wikiconfig_snippet
in moinmoin-1.9.3\wiki\config\wikiconfig.py and restarted server by
running wikiserver.py,
it seems to still authenticate again local users. It's not hitting the LDAP
server at all. Then I move the code snippet to moinmoin-1.9.3\wikiconfig.py
and restart the server, I get an error in the console (see below for the
error message.)

So my question is, is it possible to do LDAP auth in desktop mode, and
if yes, what am I missing?

Thanks,
Jack

2011-02-27 00:25:16,671 ERROR werkzeug:106 Error on request:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\Internet\moin-1.9.3\MoinMoin\support\werkzeug\serving.py",
line 151, in run_wsgi
    execute(app)
  File "D:\Internet\moin-1.9.3\MoinMoin\support\werkzeug\serving.py",
line 138, in execute
    application_iter = app(environ, start_response)
  File "D:\Internet\moin-1.9.3\MoinMoin\support\werkzeug\utils.py",
line 248, in __call__
    return self.app(environ, start_response)
  File "D:\Internet\moin-1.9.3\MoinMoin\wsgiapp.py", line 281, in __call__
    context = init(request)
  File "D:\Internet\moin-1.9.3\MoinMoin\wsgiapp.py", line 55, in init
    context.user = setup_user(context, context.session)
  File "D:\Internet\moin-1.9.3\MoinMoin\wsgiapp.py", line 218, in setup_user
    userobj = auth.handle_login(context, userobj, **params)
  File "D:\Internet\moin-1.9.3\MoinMoin\auth\__init__.py", line 396,
in handle_login
    ret = authmethod.login(request, userobj, **params)
  File "D:\Internet\moin-1.9.3\MoinMoin\auth\ldap_login.py", line 260, in login
    "Trying to authenticate with next auth list entry." % (server, str(err)))
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'server' referenced before assignment



From c_moinmoin at jonc.me.uk  Sun Feb 27 03:46:41 2011
From: c_moinmoin at jonc.me.uk (Jonathan Cooper)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:46:41 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] license docstrings in the code
In-Reply-To: <1298463603.23389.56.camel@x300>
References: <AANLkTinm9B6daK6hq_RabSxDRPFOqO4nhipEaYojMkCr@mail.gmail.com>	<1298461321.23389.28.camel@x300>
	<1298463603.23389.56.camel@x300>
Message-ID: <4D6A0F71.5000904@jonc.me.uk>

OSS Watch produce useful guidelines on these sorts of topics; see 
http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/opensourceyourcode.xml#body.1_div.3

For GPL specifically, see the end of http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt

It looks like something along the lines of the current scheme is the 
recommended approach.  The licence info could go in a comment rather 
than docstring if prettier docs are desired.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

On 23/02/2011 12:20, Thomas Waldmann wrote:
> A somewhat related topic:
>
> We have authors and reference to the license as docstring in every
> module, like:
>
> """
> MoinMoin - wsgi application setup and related code
>
> Use create_app(config) to create the WSGI application (using Flask).
>
> @copyright: 2000-2006 by Juergen Hermann<jh at web.de>,
>              2002-2011 MoinMoin:ThomasWaldmann,
>              2008 MoinMoin:FlorianKrupicka,
>              2010 MoinMoin:DiogenesAugusto
> @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
> """
>
> (the COPYING license document is also contained in the repo / release
> archives)
>
>
> There are some issues with this method:
>
> a) it is hard to maintain the author list there, the years and (in case
> of a license change) the license reference. Author list tends to be
> incomplete (some contributors don't add themselves) or outdated (code of
> some authors might be removed later, but not author's name). after a
> while one usually does not know any more what exactly is from whom.
>
> b) we want to automatically create documentation (using sphinx + some
> script) from the source code. The module docstring would give more
> pretty docs if there was not that author/license stuff repeated hundreds
> of times.
>
>
> Alternatives:
>
> a) Have some file AUTHORS (or CONTRIBUTORS?) that lists everybody having
> contributed to the project. Remove all author references from the moin
> module/package docstrings.
>
> b) Have some file LICENSE that refers to the relevant licenses, like GPL
> v2, GPL v3 and also note something like "unless otherwise noted" to make
> exceptions for contributed / 3rd party code possible.
>
> c) Refer to these files from MoinMoin package docstring (and only from
> there, once).
>
>
> I am no lawyer and no licensing expert - does anybody have a qualified
> opinion about this?
>
>
>
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