This is a title of a chapter

\n')
  File "E:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\request.py", line 1427, in write
    sys.stdout.write(self.encode(data))
IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument

error when trying to save edited frontpage (without having to log in, returns 500 error page):

[Wed Feb 15 22:00:43 2006] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'E:\\Moin\\shwiki\\data\\edit-log'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\Moin\shwiki\moin.cgi", line 41, in ?
    request.run()
  File "E:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\request.py", line 1129, in run
    self.fail(err)
  File "E:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\request.py", line 1163, in fail
    failure.handle(self)             
  File "E:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\failure.py", line 146, in handle
    printTextException(request, savedError)
  File "E:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\failure.py", line 168, in printTextException
    request.write(text)
  File "E:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\request.py", line 1427, in write
    sys.stdout.write(self.encode(data))
IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ningxiao Gu 
  To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:15 PM
  Subject: help

  Sorry for the spam.

  I seemed to be able to set up my wiki on the xpsp2 machine with MoinMoin 1.5.2 and python 2.4, but am having problem using it.

  I can successfully create a user, but when I log in for the first time and try to save the user preferences info, it always tells me that the user name belongs to someone else. I can log in with the user name (it directs to me to the userpreference page), but if I go to another page, I will be logged out.
  I tried to change FrontPage (without logging in), and after I click save change, it shows a 500 error page. But if I reload Frontpage, the change seems to be saved.
  I also can't see recentchanges.

  Can anyone shed some light on what might be wrong?

  Thanks,

  Ning
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From nigel.metheringham at dev.intechnology.co.uk  Thu Feb 16 01:04:03 2006
From: nigel.metheringham at dev.intechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu Feb 16 01:04:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] HTTP AUTHENTICATION security
In-Reply-To: <43F3695E.6060806@cantab.net>
References: 	 <1283B96DDEFE1B4A9CECFAF273A835314EBEBD@psmcms1.pingry.k12.nj.us>
	 <43F358A9.1050405@gmx.de>  <43F3695E.6060806@cantab.net>
Message-ID: <1140080586.6809.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 17:48 +0000, Robert Schumann wrote:
> Trouble is, I'm not using SSL.  As far as I can see this means that 
> passwords will be transmitted in cleartext from the browser to the 
> server, which is a terrible security hole.  Am I correct in this?  And 
> is there nothing to be done about this except use SSL?

Yes, and Yes.

	Nigel.
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From tw-public at gmx.de  Thu Feb 16 06:09:02 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu Feb 16 06:09:02 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: help + errorlog
In-Reply-To: <000c01c632bf$2f3320a0$6600a8c0@ningxiao>
References: <000c01c632bf$2f3320a0$6600a8c0@ningxiao>
Message-ID: <43F48724.9050808@gmx.de>

> [Wed Feb 15 22:00:43 2006] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
 > 'E:\\Moin\\shwiki\\data\\edit-log'

This is something you can fix yourself. See the moinmoin wiki for 
another bug report with solution.

From tpfennig at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 08:33:02 2006
From: tpfennig at gmail.com (Thilo Pfennig)
Date: Thu Feb 16 08:33:02 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] system pages
Message-ID: <2cbc44a0602160832q238b7145o@mail.gmail.com>

Can somebody explain to me how system pages are counted on the page
SystemInfo ? I would like to be able to influence what is counted as a
system page.

Thilo
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From tw-public at gmx.de  Thu Feb 16 08:38:04 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu Feb 16 08:38:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] system pages
In-Reply-To: <2cbc44a0602160832q238b7145o@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2cbc44a0602160832q238b7145o@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F4AA39.10706@gmx.de>

> Can somebody explain to me how system pages are counted on the page
> SystemInfo ? I would like to be able to influence what is counted as a
> system page.

The exact answer is in MoinMoin/wikimacro.py :)

     def _macro_SystemInfo(self, args):
...
        systemPages = [page for page in pagelist
                        if wikiutil.isSystemPage(self.request, page)]
         row(_('Number of system pages'), str(len(systemPages)))

And isSystemPage is:
     return (request.dicts.has_member('SystemPagesGroup', pagename) or
         isTemplatePage(request, pagename))

From tw-public at gmx.de  Thu Feb 16 08:50:05 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu Feb 16 08:50:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] HTTP AUTHENTICATION security
In-Reply-To: <43F3695E.6060806@cantab.net>
References: <1283B96DDEFE1B4A9CECFAF273A835314EBEBD@psmcms1.pingry.k12.nj.us> <43F358A9.1050405@gmx.de> <43F3695E.6060806@cantab.net>
Message-ID: <43F4AD16.5030509@gmx.de>

> Trouble is, I'm not using SSL.  As far as I can see this means that 
> passwords will be transmitted in cleartext from the browser to the 
> server, which is a terrible security hole.  Am I correct in this?

For "http basic auth" this is correct.

For "http digest auth" it is at least transmitted as MD5(password).

Google finds e.g. this:

http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/security/digest.xtp

> is there nothing to be done about this except use SSL?

Guess why everybody wanting a REALLY secure login does it by https. :)

From nigel.metheringham at dev.intechnology.co.uk  Thu Feb 16 09:06:06 2006
From: nigel.metheringham at dev.intechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu Feb 16 09:06:06 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] HTTP AUTHENTICATION security
In-Reply-To: <43F4AD16.5030509@gmx.de>
References: 	 <1283B96DDEFE1B4A9CECFAF273A835314EBEBD@psmcms1.pingry.k12.nj.us>
	 <43F358A9.1050405@gmx.de> <43F3695E.6060806@cantab.net>
	 <43F4AD16.5030509@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1140109496.6809.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 17:49 +0100, Thomas Waldmann wrote:
> > Trouble is, I'm not using SSL.  As far as I can see this means that 
> > passwords will be transmitted in cleartext from the browser to the 
> > server, which is a terrible security hole.  Am I correct in this?
> 
> For "http basic auth" this is correct.
> 
> For "http digest auth" it is at least transmitted as MD5(password).

I decided to ignore that in my answer because it needs either a
specially prepared password store or the ability to get at clear text
passwords on the server end - which is definitely not the case when you
are dealing with standard system password stores.

	Nigel.
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From tw-public at gmx.de  Thu Feb 16 09:35:01 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu Feb 16 09:35:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Problem with # of wikis, new info
In-Reply-To: <7F5018B8B9E4B048BCFA208A270FAC1E03FDB8@gc.StabilityNetworks.local>
References: <7F5018B8B9E4B048BCFA208A270FAC1E03FDB8@gc.StabilityNetworks.local>
Message-ID: <43F4B770.4050603@gmx.de>

"fix farmconfig.wikis processing for big farms (>=50 wikis) by not using 
a big RE for it" committed as 
arch at arch.thinkmo.de--2003-archives/moin--main--1.5--patch-447

See attached patch.
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From tw-public at gmx.de  Thu Feb 16 09:57:05 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu Feb 16 09:57:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] MemoryLeak bug
In-Reply-To: <43F37D52.8000705@fujitsu-siemens.com>
References: <43F37D52.8000705@fujitsu-siemens.com>
Message-ID: <43F4BCB2.5060003@gmx.de>

> But, contrary to what that bug page says, it is _not_ fixed with Moin 
> 1.5.2 and Python 2.3.5 (Linux SuSE SLES9, i386, kernel 2.6.9-7.244, 
> glibc 2.3.3). Only with Python 2.4.2 the problem seems to be gone.

Well, due to some problems where Python 2.4.2 behaved different than 
older versions, we upgraded to moinmoin site wiki farm to 2.4.2 quite 
some time ago.

> In my experiments, with both Python 2.3.3 (native SLES9) and 2.3.5, the 
> memory usuage of moin with the profile script increased linearly to 
>  >160MB at 5000 retrievals, which was when I stopped the script.

5000 retrievals of what? Many different pages or same page?

> With Python 2.4.2, on the contrary, the memory usage is constant right 
> from the start and stays around 12MB.

That is quite low. Sure it worked correctly? :)

If yes, feel lucky. Our wiki farm is often in some-hundreds-mb range. 
With Py 2.4.2.

The problem is that memory usage can have different reasons:
  * internal caching of moin
  * leaks

The problem is that I haven't found any great way yet to debug such stuff.

> I guess it's fine to use 2.4, but there are a lot of distributions out 
> there shipping 2.3, and perhaps people should be warned about this.

Well, newer versions of python usually fix bugs of older versions.
Same is true for MoinMoin.

This is why we recommend the latest release of both.

Some distributors additionally manage it to distribute broken python 
packages (or old moin packages).

So in many cases, just doing a /usr/local install of both is much less 
trouble than having broken packages with old bugs.

From Brian.Fleming at tellabs.com  Thu Feb 16 10:35:03 2006
From: Brian.Fleming at tellabs.com (Fleming, Brian J.)
Date: Thu Feb 16 10:35:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Problems with GUI Mode
Message-ID: 

Are there any IE options I could mess with to try to get it to work? You
think it's just a web setting?

Is the GUI editor using Javascript?

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Ian Epperson
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:05 PM
To: Fleming, Brian J.
Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Problems with GUI Mode

I've had a user make this same complaint using Safari on a Mac.  I
haven't been able to test it out yet (haven't yet visited the friend
with a powerbook) but I assume it's a problem with the javascript.

On 2/14/06, Fleming, Brian J.  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am running:
>
> Apache 2.0.55
> mod_python-3.2.7
> Python2.4.2
>
>
> I got MoinMoin up and running, and it works fairly well.  But I am 
> having a problem with the GUI editor.
>
> When I am editing in GUI mode, if I click preview I get a "page can't 
> be found". If I try to save while in the GUI editor I get the same
thing.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Text mode works fine.
>
>
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Feb 16 12:53:04 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Thu Feb 16 12:53:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Nesting macros
Message-ID: <17396.58911.395458.441272@montanaro.dyndns.org>

I realize that at least with 1.3 macros don't nest.  Is this a restriction
that's removed in 1.5 or that is planned on being removed in the future?

Thx,

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From Brian.Fleming at tellabs.com  Thu Feb 16 13:14:06 2006
From: Brian.Fleming at tellabs.com (Fleming, Brian J.)
Date: Thu Feb 16 13:14:06 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Problems with GUI Mode - Can I disable the GUI button?
Message-ID: 

I'm actually seeing an error in my apache2 install.

Is there some "tested" combination of version of apache, mod_python, and
python, and moinmoin, that need to be used to work properly?

I would love to use moinmoin, but the attractive gui feature doesn't
work.

Is there a way to disable the GUI Editor button?  If I can't fix this
problem now, at least I can just use a text mode until I figure out why
the GUI mode won't work.

-----Original Message-----
From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Fleming,
Brian J.
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:29 AM
To: Ian Epperson
Cc: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [Moin-user] Problems with GUI Mode

Are there any IE options I could mess with to try to get it to work? You
think it's just a web setting?

Is the GUI editor using Javascript?

-----Original Message-----
From: ianepperson at gmail.com [mailto:ianepperson at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Ian Epperson
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:05 PM
To: Fleming, Brian J.
Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Problems with GUI Mode

I've had a user make this same complaint using Safari on a Mac.  I
haven't been able to test it out yet (haven't yet visited the friend
with a powerbook) but I assume it's a problem with the javascript.

On 2/14/06, Fleming, Brian J.  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am running:
>
> Apache 2.0.55
> mod_python-3.2.7
> Python2.4.2
>
>
> I got MoinMoin up and running, and it works fairly well.  But I am 
> having a problem with the GUI editor.
>
> When I am editing in GUI mode, if I click preview I get a "page can't 
> be found". If I try to save while in the GUI editor I get the same
thing.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Text mode works fine.
>
>
>
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From Richard.Hiers at covenantseminary.edu  Thu Feb 16 13:18:02 2006
From: Richard.Hiers at covenantseminary.edu (Hiers, Richard)
Date: Thu Feb 16 13:18:02 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Problems with GUI Mode - Can I disable the GUI button?
Message-ID: 

Add the following lines with wikiconfig.py:

editor_default = 'text'
editor_force = True

Richard

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From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Fleming,
Brian J.
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:14 PM
To: Fleming, Brian J.
Cc: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [Moin-user] Problems with GUI Mode - Can I disable the GUI
button?

I'm actually seeing an error in my apache2 install.

Is there some "tested" combination of version of apache, mod_python, and
python, and moinmoin, that need to be used to work properly?

I would love to use moinmoin, but the attractive gui feature doesn't
work.

Is there a way to disable the GUI Editor button?  If I can't fix this
problem now, at least I can just use a text mode until I figure out why
the GUI mode won't work.

-----Original Message-----
From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Fleming,
Brian J.
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:29 AM
To: Ian Epperson
Cc: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [Moin-user] Problems with GUI Mode

Are there any IE options I could mess with to try to get it to work? You
think it's just a web setting?

Is the GUI editor using Javascript?

-----Original Message-----
From: ianepperson at gmail.com [mailto:ianepperson at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Ian Epperson
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:05 PM
To: Fleming, Brian J.
Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Problems with GUI Mode

I've had a user make this same complaint using Safari on a Mac.  I
haven't been able to test it out yet (haven't yet visited the friend
with a powerbook) but I assume it's a problem with the javascript.

On 2/14/06, Fleming, Brian J.  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am running:
>
> Apache 2.0.55
> mod_python-3.2.7
> Python2.4.2
>
>
> I got MoinMoin up and running, and it works fairly well.  But I am 
> having a problem with the GUI editor.
>
> When I am editing in GUI mode, if I click preview I get a "page can't 
> be found". If I try to save while in the GUI editor I get the same
thing.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Text mode works fine.
>
>
>
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From martin.wilck at fujitsu-siemens.com  Thu Feb 16 14:33:04 2006
From: martin.wilck at fujitsu-siemens.com (Martin Wilck)
Date: Thu Feb 16 14:33:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] [PATCH] Some HTML 4.01 validity issues with Moin
Message-ID: <43F4FD60.4000607@fujitsu-siemens.com>

Hi,

I just ran the W3C validator (http://validator/w3.org) over my Wiki, and 
found some problems. As Moin claims to generate valid HTML 4.01 strict, 
I though I might report this here. The MoinMoinBugs page doesn't work 
currently (see my last post), therefore I am sending this mail.

Issue #1: wrong  tags.

Under some circumstances, Moin inserts 
 tags where the  is 
already implicity closed. A sample Wiki code to produce this error is

## start
some text
[[NewPage()]]
## end

Moin generates 
some text 
....
, but that's wrong in 
HTML because " can't contain any block elements", thus 
 is 
implicitly closed when 
 starts 
(http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-P)

Solution:
The problem can be overcome by adding the "p" element to the set of 
self-closing tags. I saw no negative consequences of that change.

Issue #2: The W3C validator doesn't like 

The "type" and "start" attributes of  are deprecated and accepted by 
the validator only in "transitional" documents. This makes all Moin 
pages with numbered lists invalid HTML 4.01 (strict). Example: check 
HelpOnLists in the validator.

Solution:
For "type", the attribute can easily be converted to 
'style="list-style-type: X' form, which most browsers support.

Wrt "start", there seems to be no workaround with acceptable Browser 
support. "counter-reset:" is only supported by Opera, AFAIK. So Wiki 
pages using " 1.##10 item" won't validate, but those are fortunately 
only a few.

Issue #3: line anchors are not allowed in tables

With line anchors on, Moin generates HTML like this:
<
cell....

This is invalid because  isn't allowed inside , , 
and . Example: Check HelpOnTables.

Solution:
I made a modification that puts the  in the first table cell:

That seems to work, but I am unsure if it can have negative consequences 
on some parts of moin that assume the s mark the very beginning of 
the line(s), perhaps the GUI editor? Anyway it's worth a try, because 
otherwise Moin's "Valid HTML 4.01" claim would break for every page 
containing tables.

Please see patch for all 3 problems atttached.

Regards
Martin

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From ningxiao.gu at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 01:51:07 2006
From: ningxiao.gu at gmail.com (Ningxiao Gu)
Date: Fri Feb 17 01:51:07 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] crash on saving
Message-ID: <002301c63379$c2a54bf0$6600a8c0@ningxiao>

I was able to solve the first problem just by switching from IE to Firefox. But second problem (crashing on saving) still exists. I'm still getting a permission denied error on edit-log. But I have given access permission to these directories. And since the edited pages are actually saved after I reload the page, that means I do have write permission to these directory. So why can't I access edit-log (thus I can see recent changes and always get crash on saving...)

Anyone had similar problem before?

----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Ningxiao Gu 
    To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net 
    Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:15 PM
    Subject: help

    Sorry for the spam.

    I seemed to be able to set up my wiki on the xpsp2 machine with MoinMoin 1.5.2 and python 2.4, but am having problem using it.

    I can successfully create a user, but when I log in for the first time and try to save the user preferences info, it always tells me that the user name belongs to someone else. I can log in with the user name (it directs to me to the userpreference page), but if I go to another page, I will be logged out.
    I tried to change FrontPage (without logging in), and after I click save change, it shows a 500 error page. But if I reload Frontpage, the change seems to be saved.
    I also can't see recentchanges.

    Can anyone shed some light on what might be wrong?

    Thanks,

    Ning
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From 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de  Fri Feb 17 05:29:04 2006
From: 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de (Alexander Schremmer)
Date: Fri Feb 17 05:29:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: Nesting macros
References: <17396.58911.395458.441272@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1a291l1kjpums$.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>

Hi Skip,

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:52:47 -0600, skip at pobox.com wrote:

> I realize that at least with 1.3 macros don't nest.  Is this a restriction
> that's removed in 1.5 or that is planned on being removed in the future?

Neither nor. But you can write a macro that removes this restriction :-)

Re parsers nesting: something like that could be tackled in 2.0

Kind regards,
Alexander

From tw-public at gmx.de  Fri Feb 17 09:34:01 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri Feb 17 09:34:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] crash on saving
In-Reply-To: <002301c63379$c2a54bf0$6600a8c0@ningxiao>
References: <002301c63379$c2a54bf0$6600a8c0@ningxiao>
Message-ID: <43F608B4.6030101@gmx.de>

> I was able to solve the first problem just by switching from IE to 
> Firefox.

Welcome on the non-evil side. :)

> But second problem (crashing on saving) still exists. I'm still 
> getting a permission denied error on edit-log.

Did you search the wiki for your problem, as I said in my last mail?

> Anyone had similar problem before?

Yes.

From Bryan.Weingarten at watchguard.com  Fri Feb 17 10:06:02 2006
From: Bryan.Weingarten at watchguard.com (Bryan Weingarten)
Date: Fri Feb 17 10:06:02 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] tableclass / tablestyle
Message-ID: <7278029d6254904728e072076375143d944db1cb@localhost>

this is now fixed in moinmoin 1.5.2... thanks!!!!

  _____  

From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Bryan
Weingarten
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:04 PM
To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [Moin-user] tableclass / tablestyle

this is still broken in moin 1.5.1

this bug has ruined all our project templates and pages.  we were really
this would have been fixed in 1.5.1 but it wasn't which is very
disappointing. :(   we are crossing our fingers that will be fixed in
the next minor rev.

thanks,

bryan

  _____  

From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Bryan
Weingarten
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:48 PM
To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Moin-user] tableclass / tablestyle

i have this problem that maybe someone can help me with.

i added a table class in common.css:

table.noborder td {
 border:none;
}

with this new noborder class i can create 3 different tables in my wiki
page:

||noborder||Two||
||Three||Four||

||aqua||Two||
||Three||Four||

||noborder
and aqua||Two||
||Three||Four||

all three tables work correctly with moin 1.3 and 1.5.0_beta_4.  the
last table fails with moin 1.5.0 GA.    i just tested the desktop
edition 1.3 and 1.5.0-1 and the last table also fails only with version
1.5.0-1.

the problem i'm seeing is with the generated HTML

table1 correctly generates a table element with the correct class
attribute:
cell ...

table 2 also correctly generates a table element with the correct style
attribute:

table 3 incorrectly generates a table element.  it assignes the class
atribute to the value of the style attribute and doesn't even write the
style element.

since this worked correctly in other versions of moinmoin this might be
a bug in the latest GA version unless there is some new way to do this
now.

thanks for any help you can give me to solve this.

bryan

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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Feb 17 17:38:20 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri Feb 17 17:38:20 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Confused about upgrading and where things belong
Message-ID: <17398.31267.624639.994957@montanaro.dyndns.org>

I have a oldish RedHat server with Python 2.2 as /usr/bin/python.  It hosts
a handful of MoinMoin wikis.  They were originally 1.2.x but several months
ago I updated to 1.3.4.  Now I want to go to 1.5.2.

I installed Python 2.4.2 in /usr/local/bin then installed MoinMoin with

    /usr/local/bin/python setup.py install

My wiki tree looks like this

    /usr/share/moin                     # this is moin 1.3.4
        /data
            /pages
        /underlay
            /underlay/pages
        ...

        /wiki1
            /data
                /pages
            /underlay
                /underlay/pages
            ...

        /wiki2
            /data
                /pages
            /underlay
                /underlay/pages
            ...

        /unusedwiki
            /data
                /pages
            /underlay
                /underlay/pages
            ...

Over in /usr/local/share/moin I have the new stuff:

    /usr/local/share/moin               # this is moin 1.5.2
        /data
            /pages
        /underlay
            /underlay/pages
        /config
            ...

With the exception of changing the #! link in .../unusedwiki/cgi-bin/
moin.cgi and copying a few macros from one of the other wikis, I've done
nothing to associate the unused wiki with Moin 1.5.2.  It's not clear to me
how I'm supposed to merge the old /underlay stuff with the new.  Should I
even have all those underlay directories or should they just be links to the
version-specific underlay directories in /usr/share/moin or
/usr/local/share/moin?

Thx,

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com
      "The values  to which people cling  most stubbornly  under inappropriate
      conditions are those  values that were  previously  the source  of their
      greatest triumphs over adversity." -- Jared Diamond in "Collapse"

From tw-public at gmx.de  Mon Feb 20 04:38:01 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Mon Feb 20 04:38:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Confused about upgrading and where things belong
In-Reply-To: <17398.31267.624639.994957@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <17398.31267.624639.994957@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <43F9B7F7.2030407@gmx.de>

> With the exception of changing the #! link in .../unusedwiki/cgi-bin/
> moin.cgi and copying a few macros from one of the other wikis, I've done
> nothing to associate the unused wiki with Moin 1.5.2.

Of course you have to review your configuration (see CHANGES).

> It's not clear to me
> how I'm supposed to merge the old /underlay stuff with the new.

You don't need to do that, you got all underlay pages fresh and updated 
with 1.5.2. You can throw away the old underlay as soon as you are happy 
with 1.5.2.

> Should I
> even have all those underlay directories or should they just be links to the
> version-specific underlay directories in /usr/share/moin or
> /usr/local/share/moin?

For a specific code version of moin, it is enough to have a single underlay.

You may choose to have multiple due to wanted languages, though.

From moin.askthem at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 05:03:04 2006
From: moin.askthem at gmail.com (Arp)
Date: Mon Feb 20 05:03:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Twisted and patch-683 ?
Message-ID: <4910b3df0602200502n7de5bd28o33cdd121daf97af6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to get Moin running with Twisted using the standard
packages available from the Debian Sarge on my server:
Moin 1.3.4-3,
Python 2.3.5,
python-twisted-core 2.1.0-4,
python-twisted-web  0.5.0-2

After setting things up I'm running into the exact problem described in:
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinBugs/CrashWithTwisted

Only difference is that I'm not (yet) trying to set up a farm but
using mointwisted to serve a single wiki, but the error is triggered
in the same way.

At the bottom of the page a patch is suggested (patch-683), but
following the link results in an error page from arch.thinkmo.de:
----------------------
 Internal error
 Adding revision
arch at arch.thinkmo.de--2003-archives/moin--main--1.3--patch-683 to
library failed. Bad permissions or corrupt archive?
 Hint: Before reporting this problem, try to see whether debug mode
unveils something.
----------------------

The patch is also listed on:
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinTodo/Release_2.0
but has the same URL (and hence error).

Questions:
- Is the patch available elsewhere by any chance
- Is there an alternate solution to the bug
- Is it possible/adviseable at all to run the sever partially
'unstable' with mointwisted using moin 1.5.x and perhaps python 2.4
with twisted-web or will I run into a dependency hell??

Thanks for any tips
--
Arp

From tw-public at gmx.de  Mon Feb 20 07:49:06 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Mon Feb 20 07:49:06 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Twisted and patch-683 ?
In-Reply-To: <4910b3df0602200502n7de5bd28o33cdd121daf97af6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4910b3df0602200502n7de5bd28o33cdd121daf97af6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F9E49E.5020406@gmx.de>

> I'm trying to get Moin running with Twisted using the standard
> packages available from the Debian Sarge on my server:
> Moin 1.3.4-3,
> Python 2.3.5,
> python-twisted-core 2.1.0-4,
> python-twisted-web  0.5.0-2

I would suggest you simply try latest moin release and do not use an old 
debian package. See here if you need some deb package:

http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinPackages/DebianLinux

> At the bottom of the page a patch is suggested (patch-683), but
> following the link results in an error page from arch.thinkmo.de:
> ----------------------
>  Internal error
>  Adding revision
> arch at arch.thinkmo.de--2003-archives/moin--main--1.3--patch-683 to
> library failed. Bad permissions or corrupt archive?
>  Hint: Before reporting this problem, try to see whether debug mode
> unveils something.

archzoom... 8(

> - Is the patch available elsewhere by any chance
> - Is there an alternate solution to the bug

I guess the patch is contained in latest release (+ some dozends more).

> - Is it possible/adviseable at all to run the sever partially
> 'unstable' with mointwisted using moin 1.5.x and perhaps python 2.4
> with twisted-web or will I run into a dependency hell??

Go with 1.5.2, but for first try, keep python and twisted "as is".

After that, if you encounter python or twisted related problems, you can 
do a /usr/local install of both python2.4.2 and twisted (and maybe other 
python stuff you need).

From HansJoachim.Ehlers at eumetsat.int  Mon Feb 20 10:38:01 2006
From: HansJoachim.Ehlers at eumetsat.int (Hans-Joachim Ehlers)
Date: Mon Feb 20 10:38:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Howto move data from 1.3.3 to 1.5.2
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have installed a new version of moin moin ( MoinMoin 1.5.2 on AIX  )
on a seperate server and would like to move ( Copy ) the old DATA
directory from a MoinMoin Version Release 1.3.3  to the new DATA
directory.

So does anybody knows the step for handling the:
 ./data/user
 ./data/pages

directories ?

tia
Hajo

From soloturn at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 12:29:01 2006
From: soloturn at gmail.com (solo turn)
Date: Mon Feb 20 12:29:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Page name is not longer the headline in the page in version 1.5.1
In-Reply-To: <43D7B8B7.1060203@gmx.de>
References: 
	 <43D4E7FF.6020302@gmx.de>

	 <43D7B8B7.1060203@gmx.de>
Message-ID: 

what do you think about some of these possibilities?

space saving things would be:
 * use icons (moinmoin did already i think)
 * search field like http://www.jspwiki.org/
 * table of contents like http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:dokuwiki
 * small trail font like in http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:dokuwiki

or rearranging things a little, which would save 2 lines:

logo --  - preferences - logout -- [xxxx] title text FindPage
logo --  -- edit - info - subscribe
logo -- 

 * "moinmoin" is gone and replaced by clicking on logo with meaningful
alternate text
 * page actions line is shifted beside page name
 * wiki actions line is gone and shifted to the top two lines
 * quick links would have to be placed somewhere. maybe an auto-opening menu
   or a separate line? configurable.

then there could be a line with user defined links, maybe an included
page with links. this page could be included in a number of similar
pages and create something like a "space" just by similar look.

-solo

On 1/25/06, Thomas Waldmann  wrote:
> > i'd prefer to have a less "wasteful" heading area back.
>
> That's the usual simplicity vs usability vs features problem.
>
> > also the logo does not haven an "alt" text which would be important for blind
> > people.
>
> Feel free to configure whatever html fragment you like. This is from our
> sample config:
>
>      logo_string = u''
>
> > currently i find the 3-4 line "heading" quite unhandy, spacy, and the
> > information difficult to see. even if i do not have an immediate idea
> > how to improve it.
>
> I share that problem. Often one thinks something could be done better,
> but the longer you think about it, the more you understand why it was
> made like it is. And if it is only due to lack of really better
> alternatives. :)
>
> > i do not think putting information on the side is a solution, as this
> > even takes more space away (as in wikimedia).
>
> And it has also some not solveable problems on HTML level, like long
> texts that can't be wrapped.
>
> > maybe automatically
> > opening menus would be an option? or this does not for lynx?
>
> A menu is always harder to use than a link (or button).
> This is why we only use it for rarely used stuff.
> This is why we moved Attachment link out of the actions dropdown.
>
>
>
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From moin.askthem at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 18:57:01 2006
From: moin.askthem at gmail.com (Arp)
Date: Mon Feb 20 18:57:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Twisted and patch-683 ?
In-Reply-To: <43F9E49E.5020406@gmx.de>
References: <4910b3df0602200502n7de5bd28o33cdd121daf97af6@mail.gmail.com>
	 <43F9E49E.5020406@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4910b3df0602201856m758ed607m6479f61323450a74@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Thomas for the answers ...

> I would suggest you simply try latest moin release and do not use an old
> debian package. See here if you need some deb package:
> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinPackages/DebianLinux

Yes, I found the BrandenRobinson packages of course...

> Go with 1.5.2, but for first try, keep python and twisted "as is".
> After that, if you encounter python or twisted related problems, you can
> do a /usr/local install of both python2.4.2 and twisted (and maybe other
> python stuff you need).

I'm just a bit reluctant to steer the server away from Debian Stable,
especially if this includes installing newer versions of software
outside of apt/aptitude that might break other installed programs. It
would also mean that I have to 'upgrade' the wiki contents to 1.5
although that seems trivial enough.

I was just hoping to do a quick speed test with the existing wiki
served through twisted. Somewhat disapointing that the standard
packages don't work - had slight hopes that the patch could fix it or
at least result in giving me correct error messages.

Oh well, guess I'll go and take a walk on the wild side ;o)

Thanx
--
Arp

From tpfennig at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 04:55:20 2006
From: tpfennig at gmail.com (Thilo Pfennig)
Date: Tue Feb 21 04:55:20 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Cookies
Message-ID: <2cbc44a0602210454t55cf8582r@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a problenm with the cookie settings. I think I could solve
these wioth cookie_path and or cookie_domain. But right now I do not
know how and the documentation dies not say too much about this topic.

I have an installation where the pages are served via /moin.py in each
wiki instance. I have written a rewrite so that my site at
wiki.pfennigsolutions.de is also usable without the moin.py.
The problem is that the cookies do not seem to be recognized if start
on wiki.pfennigsolutions.de . if I press "login" and /moin.py is in
the path the cookie recognizes the cookie and I am logged in without
authentication.

What I want is to be also logged in via Cookie when starting without
the /moin.py

What would I have to change in my config?

Thilo

--
http://vinci.wordpress.com

From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Feb 21 04:56:04 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue Feb 21 04:56:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Howto move data from 1.3.3 to 1.5.2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <43FB0DAA.6070601@gmx.de>

> I have installed a new version of moin moin ( MoinMoin 1.5.2 on AIX  )
> on a seperate server and would like to move ( Copy ) the old DATA
> directory from a MoinMoin Version Release 1.3.3  to the new DATA
> directory.
> 
> So does anybody knows the step for handling the:
>  ./data/user
>  ./data/pages
> 
> directories ?

As 1.3.3 didn't contain the mig10 and mig11 (1.3.5 did), you need to run 
them (if you did not do that already) to reach 1.3.5 level.

There are no special steps needed for going from 1.3.5 to 1.5.2.

From tpfennig at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 05:11:04 2006
From: tpfennig at gmail.com (Thilo Pfennig)
Date: Tue Feb 21 05:11:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: Cookies
In-Reply-To: <2cbc44a0602210454t55cf8582r@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2cbc44a0602210454t55cf8582r@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2cbc44a0602210510p798f2790o@mail.gmail.com>

2006/2/21, Thilo Pfennig :
> Hi,
>
> I have a problem with the cookie settings. I think I could solve
> these wioth cookie_path and or cookie_domain. But right now I do not
> know how and the documentation dies not say too much about this topic.

I found out myself.

Just add this to the config:
cookie_path = '/' . You have to logout first to set new cookies. To
check it out:

1. log out
2. log in
3. restart browser
4. go to wiki with root path wiki.yourwiki.org

result:

should automatically log in if you did not configure to not autologin.

Thilo

--
http://vinci.wordpress.com

From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Feb 21 05:18:03 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue Feb 21 05:18:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Page name is not longer the headline in the page
 in version 1.5.1
In-Reply-To: 
References: 	 <43D4E7FF.6020302@gmx.de>	 	 <43D7B8B7.1060203@gmx.de> 
Message-ID: <43FB12B5.8080008@gmx.de>

> space saving things would be:
>  * use icons (moinmoin did already i think)

Icons are difficult to handle. You need to have them match your theme 
colours, they don't scale to user's screen resolution and sometimes they 
don't "say" anything (so you have to read some mouseover bubble). Some 
people like them bigger, some smaller. Some people have difficulties 
recognizing small icons.

And someone needs to draw them. Someone != me (also true for most 
developers).

Therefore I prefer text menu items.

>  * search field like http://www.jspwiki.org/

I am not sure I like that popup.

If you do a search, there can be more than 1 result, so why should you 
say "view" or "edit" before you even know what will be found?

And one would've to look how that is done. Such stuff can easily make 
trouble for some browsers.

>  * table of contents like http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:dokuwiki
 >  * small trail font like in http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:dokuwiki

This is maybe a matter of CSS.

  > or rearranging things a little, which would save 2 lines:
> 
> logo --  - preferences - logout -- [xxxx] title text FindPage
> logo --  -- edit - info - subscribe
 > logo -- 

Logo + page location can get long, so this is no option. Everything else 
already is like that.

>  * "moinmoin" is gone and replaced by clicking on logo with meaningful
> alternate text

What you denote by "MoinMoin" is the interwiki name (and that can be 
different although logo is the same). But it already is optional 
(show_interwiki). It is just to show a fully qualified interwiki page name.

You don't need it, if you only run a single wiki or multiple, completely 
unrelated wikis, of course.

>  * page actions line is shifted beside page name

See above. There might be no space.

>  * wiki actions line is gone and shifted to the top two lines

There is not enough space.

>  * quick links would have to be placed somewhere. maybe an auto-opening menu
>    or a separate line? configurable.

We add configurability if there is no obvious right choice and no other way.

Putting quick links into some menu makes them one click less quick.

Auto-opening might need javascript or advanced css features and won't 
work with some browsers.

> then there could be a line with user defined links

Quicklinks are user defined links.

 > maybe an included page with links.

Maybe we move user data (including quicklinks) into some sort of wiki 
"page" some day.

 > this page could be included in a number of similar
> pages and create something like a "space" just by similar look.

What is a "similar" page? I don't think I get what you mean or what that 
would be useful for.

From moin.askthem at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 19:00:01 2006
From: moin.askthem at gmail.com (Arp)
Date: Tue Feb 21 19:00:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Discussions related to MoinMaster pages?
Message-ID: <4910b3df0602211859g69408450m6e0c4b01f2f0867e@mail.gmail.com>

While looking at
http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/MinimalWiki (as my
attention was drawn to it by this mailing list) it occurred to me that
there is no standard mechanism (that I could find anyway) to discuss
the contents of such MoinMaster help pages. This page's discussion for
example is located at:
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThiloPfennig/MinimalMoin

I had stumbled on the lack of a standard 'discussion' or 'comments'
page mechanism before and implement such in my wikis with
/PageComments subpages but I've now taken the liberty to launch a
feature request for it at:
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/FeatureRequests/DiscussionAndOrCommentPages

The reason I'm posting this here is not _just_ to spam the mailing
list with my feature request ;o) but also because I think it conatins
some ideas that (for the time being) might be implemented with
_no_coding_at_all_ but rather by just agreeing on some sort of
standard guideline for creation/location of such comments/discussion
pages so these can be more easily found and used to help improving
everything without directly editing the MoinMaster pages.

As things might be improved even without coding, I'm not even sure if
this then should be discussed on the mailing list or on the feature
request page.

It is possible of course that I'm missing something _very_ obvious and
mechanisms or guidelines for this are already in use and I (and
others) were just too stupid to find them ... ??
--
Arp

From tpfennig at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 01:54:01 2006
From: tpfennig at gmail.com (Thilo Pfennig)
Date: Wed Feb 22 01:54:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Discussions related to MoinMaster pages?
In-Reply-To: <4910b3df0602211859g69408450m6e0c4b01f2f0867e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4910b3df0602211859g69408450m6e0c4b01f2f0867e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2cbc44a0602220153l56a796e7k@mail.gmail.com>

2006/2/22, Arp :

> It is possible of course that I'm missing something _very_ obvious and
> mechanisms or guidelines for this are already in use and I (and
> others) were just too stupid to find them ... ??

Well, we should not forget that from the wiki roots it was always
intended to make the content of the wiki and for each page better.
Wikipedia talks about "being brave" in editing. This is essential.
While it is not always the best solution for each page. if one page
should give a good overview it is bad if it is always cluttered with
discussions. But I think the lack of a discussion feature in MoinMoin
can be explained with the different approach that wikis have:
if you have a list of points, instead of discussing it make them better.

For this to happen it is important that users are indeed brave. If
people just add content and not also delete or restructure wikis tend
to get quite unreadable.

My suggestion as an easy workaround would be to have a
CategoryDiscussionpage and to link to a discussion page at the top or
the bottom of each page.

Thilo

--
http://vinci.wordpress.com

From moin.askthem at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 02:32:06 2006
From: moin.askthem at gmail.com (Arp)
Date: Wed Feb 22 02:32:06 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Discussions related to MoinMaster pages?
In-Reply-To: <2cbc44a0602220153l56a796e7k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4910b3df0602211859g69408450m6e0c4b01f2f0867e@mail.gmail.com>
	 <2cbc44a0602220153l56a796e7k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4910b3df0602220231y2434da15s95aaeb0683fa7f40@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/22/06, Thilo Pfennig  wrote:
>  I think the lack of a discussion feature in MoinMoin
> can be explained with the different approach that wikis have:
> if you have a list of points, instead of discussing it make them better.
True, and brave editting should still be encouraged, but not all discussions or
comments really 'improve' a page and indeed usually do make it less
neat/legible.
(thinking about the recent 'Tron' issue @ wikipedia ... you wouldn't
want _that_ on the main content page ;o) )

> My suggestion as an easy workaround would be to have a
> CategoryDiscussionpage and to link to a discussion page at the top or
> the bottom of each page.
It seems a good/easy workaround but it has the drawback of adding
(relative??!) links to the _content_ of the page that would also break
if the page is moved or copied elsewhere and could be unwanted to
begin with - actually I think that is exactly why the idea/discussion
got started in the first place - thinking it was _not_ a good idea to
add such a link to a MoinMaster page ;o).
In the case of MoinMaster pages for example these links would probably
have to be filtered out at distribution time which is less
straightforward than removing subpages or not copying a 'tree' of
discussion pages. It also makes it harder to suppress these links in a
'printable' version of such a page.

I really like the idea of 1:n, n:1 or n:n relations between discussion
and 'main content'  pages you suggested on
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/FeatureRequests/DiscussionAndOrCommentPages

Maybe instead of using visible/clickable links or Category markers a
system could be deviced that is based on meta-tags in the comments on
the headers of a page, but this would surely have to be supported by
code of some sort.

--
Arp

From tpfennig at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 04:47:03 2006
From: tpfennig at gmail.com (Thilo Pfennig)
Date: Wed Feb 22 04:47:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Discussions related to MoinMaster pages?
In-Reply-To: <4910b3df0602220231y2434da15s95aaeb0683fa7f40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4910b3df0602211859g69408450m6e0c4b01f2f0867e@mail.gmail.com>
	 <2cbc44a0602220153l56a796e7k@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4910b3df0602220231y2434da15s95aaeb0683fa7f40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2cbc44a0602220446u53ea681k@mail.gmail.com>

2006/2/22, Arp :

> True, and brave editting should still be encouraged, but not all discussions or
> comments really 'improve' a page and indeed usually do make it less
> neat/legible.

I would agree if we would talk about some pages. Talking about every
page I would say that  it is ok, that not every editing is an
improvement. A good page is a good compromise. Taht does need social
skills than can not be replaced by any invention.

> In the case of MoinMaster pages for example these links would probably
> have to be filtered out at distribution time which is less

I don't think that they have to be filtered out if they are InterWiki links.

>  It also makes it harder to suppress these links in a
> 'printable' version of such a page.

Well, you never know what people like to be printed.

> Maybe instead of using visible/clickable links or Category markers a
> system could be deviced that is based on meta-tags in the comments on
> the headers of a page, but this would surely have to be supported by
> code of some sort.

Meta data has beend discussed in http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MetaDataInMoin

Thilo

--
http://vinci.wordpress.com

From tom at tompurl.com  Wed Feb 22 08:42:08 2006
From: tom at tompurl.com (Tom Purl)
Date: Wed Feb 22 08:42:08 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Simple Search Macro
Message-ID: <27662.159.53.110.141.1140626493.squirrel@mail.zoper.com>

Hi, I've never written a Moin macro before but am very familiar with
coding in Python.  I would like to write a macro that searches for the
last N number of pages that were created and display them in a blogish
way.

I'm pretty sure that the display functionality will be pretty easy to
write, but I haven't been able to determine how I'm going to search for
pages.  I've looked at some other macros, and I've poured over the
MoinDev page, but I'm can't find anything that will give me any
direction.

Where would I go to find out how to query for a list of pages using a
macro?  Preferably, I would like to query for pages based on creation
date.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!

Tom Purl

From tpfennig at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 11:47:02 2006
From: tpfennig at gmail.com (Thilo Pfennig)
Date: Wed Feb 22 11:47:02 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: Cookies
In-Reply-To: <2cbc44a0602210510p798f2790o@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2cbc44a0602210454t55cf8582r@mail.gmail.com>
	 <2cbc44a0602210510p798f2790o@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2cbc44a0602221146l6cf5913ao@mail.gmail.com>

I now have a different problem. i can not log out any more!

If I log out I get a feedback that I have logged out. bu If i click in
the FrontPage link I am immediately logged in. I have deleted all
cookies, but problem is still there.

It looks like Moin does not look if somebody has logged out when
getting a cookie. I do not have this problem on the official wiki but
on all of my other wikis . This is quite disturbing. Whan can cause
such a problem? This should never happen, should it?

Thilo

--
http://vinci.wordpress.com

From tom at tompurl.com  Wed Feb 22 11:51:01 2006
From: tom at tompurl.com (Tom Purl)
Date: Wed Feb 22 11:51:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Simple Search Macro
In-Reply-To: <27662.159.53.110.141.1140626493.squirrel@mail.zoper.com>
References: <27662.159.53.110.141.1140626493.squirrel@mail.zoper.com>
Message-ID: <62324.24.14.80.162.1140637787.squirrel@mail.zoper.com>

Ok, after searching some more I found the MoinMoin.search module.  It
doesn't appear that it includes any methods for date-based searches.  I
only see methods for content-based searches.

Am I missing something, or is there some way to do a page search based
on creation or last-edited date?

Thanks again!

Tom Purl

> Hi, I've never written a Moin macro before but am very familiar with
> coding in Python.  I would like to write a macro that searches for the
> last N number of pages that were created and display them in a blogish
> way.
>
> I'm pretty sure that the display functionality will be pretty easy to
> write, but I haven't been able to determine how I'm going to search for
> pages.  I've looked at some other macros, and I've poured over the
> MoinDev page, but I'm can't find anything that will give me any
> direction.
>
> Where would I go to find out how to query for a list of pages using a
> macro?  Preferably, I would like to query for pages based on creation
> date.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
>
> Tom Purl
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
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From nirs at freeshell.org  Wed Feb 22 12:01:04 2006
From: nirs at freeshell.org (Nir Soffer)
Date: Wed Feb 22 12:01:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Simple Search Macro
In-Reply-To: <27662.159.53.110.141.1140626493.squirrel@mail.zoper.com>
References: <27662.159.53.110.141.1140626493.squirrel@mail.zoper.com>
Message-ID: <3a66d4c8f65f25f1fb94309b22f50b9c@freeshell.org>

It sounds like filtered recent changes, where you are interested in new 
pages only.

Try to learn from RecentChanges macro. Basically you need to read the 
log from the end and collect each new page with certain name pattern 
until you reach your list size, or until you reach certain time limit.

Reading the log may be expensive, code that read the log usually cache 
results in a list and pickle this list to disk, thus reading only the 
part of the log from the now until the last time the macro was called.

On 22/02/2006, at 18:41, Tom Purl wrote:

> Hi, I've never written a Moin macro before but am very familiar with
> coding in Python.  I would like to write a macro that searches for the
> last N number of pages that were created and display them in a blogish
> way.
>
> I'm pretty sure that the display functionality will be pretty easy to
> write, but I haven't been able to determine how I'm going to search for
> pages.  I've looked at some other macros, and I've poured over the
> MoinDev page, but I'm can't find anything that will give me any
> direction.
>
> Where would I go to find out how to query for a list of pages using a
> macro?  Preferably, I would like to query for pages based on creation
> date.
>

Best Regards,

Nir Soffer

From moin.askthem at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 20:30:13 2006
From: moin.askthem at gmail.com (Arp)
Date: Wed Feb 22 20:30:13 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Display of tables broken on wikiwikiweb.de ?
Message-ID: <4910b3df0602222029q230428ebi9c7dc685f24772@mail.gmail.com>

While editting some FeatureRequest page on the MoinMoin wiki it seemed
I couldn't get tables to display properly, especially the tablewidth
or tablestyle attributes seem to do nothing?

|| bla bla ||

and

|| bla bla ||

both seem to do nothing. Other things (background color, border)
didn't seem to work as I expected either, but I didn't experiment
much.

Am I doing something  wrong or is this a (known) bug?

--
Arp

From meyer at acm.org  Thu Feb 23 08:09:07 2006
From: meyer at acm.org (Andre Meyer)
Date: Thu Feb 23 08:09:07 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <7008329d0602220737q297014fcg4801262895ffcd51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7008329d0602220737q297014fcg4801262895ffcd51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7008329d0602230808ud9093c9mdc58f36857d87d6@mail.gmail.com>

MoinMoin

I have tried to install MoinMoin today on a Fedora Core 4 machine from the
usual repo. After going through all the configuration (see attachment) it
seems to work, but when I access the new wiki I get the following error
message in the browser:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, meyer at acm.org and inform them of
the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have
caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
------------------------------
Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at python.openspace.nl  Port 80

The error log says the following:

[Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied:
exec of '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi' failed
[Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of
script headers: moin.cgi

I have also added the lines with permissions for access to the htdocs
directory and restarted httpd, but it doesn't help.

Any ideas?

thanks in advance for your help.
kind regards
Andr?
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export PREFIX=/usr
export SHARE=$PREFIX/share/moin
export WIKILOCATION=/usr/local/var/moin
export INSTANCE=diwiki

export USER=apache
export GROUP=apache

cd $WIKILOCATION
mkdir $INSTANCE
cp -R $SHARE/data $INSTANCE
cp -R $SHARE/underlay $INSTANCE
cp $SHARE/config/wikiconfig.py $INSTANCE

chown -R $USER.$GROUP $INSTANCE
chmod -R ug+rwX $INSTANCE
chmod -R o-rwx $INSTANCE

# Moin CGI
cd $WIKILOCATION/$INSTANCE
mkdir cgi-bin
cp $SHARE/server/moin.cgi cgi-bin
chown -R $USER.$GROUP cgi-bin
chmod -R ug+rx cgi-bin
chmod -R o-rwx cgi-bin

echo "" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
#echo "Alias /wiki/ \"$SHARE/htdocs/\"" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
echo "ScriptAlias /diwiki \"$WIKILOCATION/$INSTANCE/cgi-bin/moin.cgi\"" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

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From gia at webde.de  Thu Feb 23 08:13:05 2006
From: gia at webde.de (Gisbert Amm)
Date: Thu Feb 23 08:13:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <7008329d0602230808ud9093c9mdc58f36857d87d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7008329d0602220737q297014fcg4801262895ffcd51@mail.gmail.com> <7008329d0602230808ud9093c9mdc58f36857d87d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43FDDEF4.4000808@webde.de>

Probably stupid question: Is /usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi 
executable at all? Can the webserver user read it?

Regards,
Gisbert Amm

Andre Meyer wrote:
> MoinMoin
> 
> I have tried to install MoinMoin today on a Fedora Core 4 machine from 
> the usual repo. After going through all the configuration (see 
> attachment) it seems to work, but when I access the new wiki I get the 
> following error message in the browser:
> 
> 
>   Internal Server Error
> 
> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
> unable to complete your request.
> 
> Please contact the server administrator, meyer at acm.org 
>  and inform them of the time the error occurred, 
> and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
> 
> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at python.openspace.nl 
>  Port 80
> 
> 
> 
> The error log says the following:
> 
> [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1 ] 
> (13)Permission denied: exec of 
> '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi' failed
> [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1 ] 
> Premature end of script headers: moin.cgi
> 
> 
> I have also added the lines with permissions for access to the htdocs 
> directory and restarted httpd, but it doesn't help.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> thanks in advance for your help.
> kind regards
> Andr?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> # http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/WikiInstanceCreation
> 
> export PREFIX=/usr
> export SHARE=$PREFIX/share/moin
> export WIKILOCATION=/usr/local/var/moin
> export INSTANCE=diwiki
> 
> export USER=apache
> export GROUP=apache
> 
> cd $WIKILOCATION
> mkdir $INSTANCE
> cp -R $SHARE/data $INSTANCE
> cp -R $SHARE/underlay $INSTANCE
> cp $SHARE/config/wikiconfig.py $INSTANCE
> 
> chown -R $USER.$GROUP $INSTANCE
> chmod -R ug+rwX $INSTANCE
> chmod -R o-rwx $INSTANCE
> 
> # Moin CGI
> cd $WIKILOCATION/$INSTANCE
> mkdir cgi-bin
> cp $SHARE/server/moin.cgi cgi-bin
> chown -R $USER.$GROUP cgi-bin
> chmod -R ug+rx cgi-bin
> chmod -R o-rwx cgi-bin
> 
> echo "" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
> #echo "Alias /wiki/ \"$SHARE/htdocs/\"" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
> echo "ScriptAlias /diwiki \"$WIKILOCATION/$INSTANCE/cgi-bin/moin.cgi\"" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
> 
> # restart Apache
> /etc/init.d/httpd restart
> 
> grep moin /var/log/httpd/error_log
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> # -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
> # IMPORTANT! This encoding (charset) setting MUST be correct! If you live in a
> # western country and you don't know that you use utf-8, you probably want to
> # use iso-8859-1 (or some other iso charset). If you use utf-8 (a Unicode
> # encoding) you MUST use: coding: utf-8
> # That setting must match the encoding your editor uses when you modify the
> # settings below. If it does not, special non-ASCII chars will be wrong.
> 
> """
>     MoinMoin - Configuration for a single wiki
> 
>     If you run a single wiki only, you can omit the farmconfig.py config
>     file and just use wikiconfig.py - it will be used for every request
>     we get in that case.
> 
>     Note that there are more config options than you'll find in
>     the version of this file that is installed by default; see
>     the module MoinMoin.multiconfig for a full list of names and their
>     default values.
> 
>     Also, the URL http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnConfiguration has
>     a list of config options.
> 
>     @copyright: 2000-2005 by Juergen Hermann 
>     @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
> """
> 
> from MoinMoin.multiconfig import DefaultConfig
> 
> 
> class Config(DefaultConfig):
> 
>     # Wiki identity ----------------------------------------------------
> 
>     # Site name, used by default for wiki name-logo [Unicode]
>     sitename = u'Distributed Intelligence Wiki'
> 
>     # Wiki logo. You can use an image, text or both. [Unicode]
>     # Example: u'My Wiki'
>     # For no logo or text, use ''
>     logo_string = sitename
> 
>     # The interwiki name used in interwiki links
>     interwikiname = None
> 
> 
>     # Critical setup  ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>     # Misconfiguration here will render your wiki unusable. Check that
>     # all directories are accessible by the web server or moin server.
> 
>     # If you encounter problems, try to set data_dir and data_underlay_dir
>     # to absolute paths.
> 
>     # Where your mutable wiki pages are. You want to make regular
>     # backups of this directory.
>     data_dir = '../data/'
> 
>     # Where read-only system and help page are. You might want to share
>     # this directory between several wikis. When you update MoinMoin,
>     # you can safely replace the underlay directory with a new one. This
>     # directory is part of MoinMoin distribution, you don't have to
>     # backup it.
>     data_underlay_dir = '../underlay/'
> 
>     # This must be '/wiki' for twisted and standalone. For CGI, it should
>     # match your Apache Alias setting.
>     url_prefix = '/diwiki'
>     
> 
>     # Security ----------------------------------------------------------
> 
>     # Security critical actions (disabled by default)
>     # Uncomment to enable options you like.
>     #allowed_actions = ['DeletePage', 'AttachFile', 'RenamePage']
>     
>     # Enable acl (0 to disable)
>     acl_enabled = 1    
> 
>     # IMPORTANT: grant yourself admin rights! replace YourName with
>     # your user name. See HelpOnAccessControlLists for more help.
>     # All acl_rights_xxx options must use unicode [Unicode]
>     #acl_rights_before = u"YourName:read,write,delete,revert,admin"
>     
>     # Link spam protection for public wikis (Uncomment to enable)
>     # Needs a reliable internet connection.
>     #from MoinMoin.util.antispam import SecurityPolicy
> 
> 
>     # Mail --------------------------------------------------------------
>     
>     # Configure to enable subscribing to pages (disabled by default)
>     # or sending forgotten passwords.
> 
>     # SMTP server, e.g. "mail.provider.com" (empty or None to disable mail)
>     mail_smarthost = ""
> 
>     # The return address, e.g "My Wiki "
>     mail_from = ""
> 
>     # "user pwd" if you need to use SMTP AUTH
>     mail_login = ""
> 
> 
>     # User interface ----------------------------------------------------
>     
>     # Add your wikis important pages at the end. It is not recommended to
>     # remove the default links.  Leave room for user links - don't use
>     # more than 6 short items.
>     # You MUST use Unicode strings here, but you need not use localized
>     # page names for system and help pages, those will be used automatically
>     # according to the user selected language. [Unicode]
>     navi_bar = [
>         # Will use page_front_page, (default FrontPage)
>         u'%(page_front_page)s',
>         u'RecentChanges',
>         u'FindPage',
>         u'SiteNavigation',
>         u'HelpContents',
>     ]
> 
>     # The default theme anonymous or new users get
>     theme_default = 'modern'
>     
> 
>     # Language options --------------------------------------------------
> 
>     # See http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ConfigMarket for configuration in 
>     # YOUR language that other people contributed.
> 
>     # The main wiki language, set the direction of the wiki pages
>     default_lang = 'en'
> 
>     # You must use Unicode strings here [Unicode]
>     page_category_regex = u'^Category[A-Z]'
>     page_dict_regex = u'[a-z]Dict$'
>     page_form_regex = u'[a-z]Form$'
>     page_group_regex = u'[a-z]Group$'
>     page_template_regex = u'[a-z]Template$'
> 
>     # Content options ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>     # Show users hostnames in RecentChanges
>     show_hosts = 1                  
> 
>     # Enumerate headlines?
>     show_section_numbers = 0
> 
>     # Charts size, require gdchart (Set to None to disable).
>     chart_options = {'width': 600, 'height': 300}   

From meyer at acm.org  Thu Feb 23 08:26:05 2006
From: meyer at acm.org (Andre Meyer)
Date: Thu Feb 23 08:26:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <43FDDEF4.4000808@webde.de>
References: <7008329d0602220737q297014fcg4801262895ffcd51@mail.gmail.com>
	 <7008329d0602230808ud9093c9mdc58f36857d87d6@mail.gmail.com>
	 <43FDDEF4.4000808@webde.de>
Message-ID: <7008329d0602230824n6f1e4e94l2c2561a624931440@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gisbert

Not a stupid question at all, but it *is* executable (checked). Done using
the chown/chmod statements from the website (
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/WikiInstanceCreation).

I have just run moin.cgi and it outputs the correct html to the console,
just not via Apache.

thanks
Andr?

On 2/23/06, Gisbert Amm  wrote:
>
> Probably stupid question: Is /usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi
> executable at all? Can the webserver user read it?
>
> Regards,
> Gisbert Amm
>
> Andre Meyer wrote:
> > MoinMoin
> >
> > I have tried to install MoinMoin today on a Fedora Core 4 machine from
> > the usual repo. After going through all the configuration (see
> > attachment) it seems to work, but when I access the new wiki I get the
> > following error message in the browser:
> >
> >
> >   Internal Server Error
> >
> > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
> > unable to complete your request.
> >
> > Please contact the server administrator, meyer at acm.org
> >  and inform them of the time the error occurred,
> > and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
> >
> > More information about this error may be available in the server error
> log.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at python.openspace.nl
> >  Port 80
> >
> >
> >
> > The error log says the following:
> >
> > [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1 ]
> > (13)Permission denied: exec of
> > '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi' failed
> > [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1 ]
> > Premature end of script headers: moin.cgi
> >
> >
> > I have also added the lines with permissions for access to the htdocs
> > directory and restarted httpd, but it doesn't help.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > thanks in advance for your help.
> > kind regards
> > Andr?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > # http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/WikiInstanceCreation
> >
> > export PREFIX=/usr
> > export SHARE=$PREFIX/share/moin
> > export WIKILOCATION=/usr/local/var/moin
> > export INSTANCE=diwiki
> >
> > export USER=apache
> > export GROUP=apache
> >
> > cd $WIKILOCATION
> > mkdir $INSTANCE
> > cp -R $SHARE/data $INSTANCE
> > cp -R $SHARE/underlay $INSTANCE
> > cp $SHARE/config/wikiconfig.py $INSTANCE
> >
> > chown -R $USER.$GROUP $INSTANCE
> > chmod -R ug+rwX $INSTANCE
> > chmod -R o-rwx $INSTANCE
> >
> > # Moin CGI
> > cd $WIKILOCATION/$INSTANCE
> > mkdir cgi-bin
> > cp $SHARE/server/moin.cgi cgi-bin
> > chown -R $USER.$GROUP cgi-bin
> > chmod -R ug+rx cgi-bin
> > chmod -R o-rwx cgi-bin
> >
> > echo "" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
> > #echo "Alias /wiki/ \"$SHARE/htdocs/\"" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
> > echo "ScriptAlias /diwiki \"$WIKILOCATION/$INSTANCE/cgi-bin/moin.cgi\""
> >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
> >
> > # restart Apache
> > /etc/init.d/httpd restart
> >
> > grep moin /var/log/httpd/error_log
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > # -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
> > # IMPORTANT! This encoding (charset) setting MUST be correct! If you
> live in a
> > # western country and you don't know that you use utf-8, you probably
> want to
> > # use iso-8859-1 (or some other iso charset). If you use utf-8 (a
> Unicode
> > # encoding) you MUST use: coding: utf-8
> > # That setting must match the encoding your editor uses when you modify
> the
> > # settings below. If it does not, special non-ASCII chars will be wrong.
> >
> > """
> >     MoinMoin - Configuration for a single wiki
> >
> >     If you run a single wiki only, you can omit the farmconfig.py config
> >     file and just use wikiconfig.py - it will be used for every request
> >     we get in that case.
> >
> >     Note that there are more config options than you'll find in
> >     the version of this file that is installed by default; see
> >     the module MoinMoin.multiconfig for a full list of names and their
> >     default values.
> >
> >     Also, the URL http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnConfiguration has
> >     a list of config options.
> >
> >     @copyright: 2000-2005 by Juergen Hermann 
> >     @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
> > """
> >
> > from MoinMoin.multiconfig import DefaultConfig
> >
> >
> > class Config(DefaultConfig):
> >
> >     # Wiki identity ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     # Site name, used by default for wiki name-logo [Unicode]
> >     sitename = u'Distributed Intelligence Wiki'
> >
> >     # Wiki logo. You can use an image, text or both. [Unicode]
> >     # Example: u'My Wiki'
> >     # For no logo or text, use ''
> >     logo_string = sitename
> >
> >     # The interwiki name used in interwiki links
> >     interwikiname = None
> >
> >
> >     # Critical
> setup  ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     # Misconfiguration here will render your wiki unusable. Check that
> >     # all directories are accessible by the web server or moin server.
> >
> >     # If you encounter problems, try to set data_dir and
> data_underlay_dir
> >     # to absolute paths.
> >
> >     # Where your mutable wiki pages are. You want to make regular
> >     # backups of this directory.
> >     data_dir = '../data/'
> >
> >     # Where read-only system and help page are. You might want to share
> >     # this directory between several wikis. When you update MoinMoin,
> >     # you can safely replace the underlay directory with a new one. This
> >     # directory is part of MoinMoin distribution, you don't have to
> >     # backup it.
> >     data_underlay_dir = '../underlay/'
> >
> >     # This must be '/wiki' for twisted and standalone. For CGI, it
> should
> >     # match your Apache Alias setting.
> >     url_prefix = '/diwiki'
> >
> >
> >     # Security
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     # Security critical actions (disabled by default)
> >     # Uncomment to enable options you like.
> >     #allowed_actions = ['DeletePage', 'AttachFile', 'RenamePage']
> >
> >     # Enable acl (0 to disable)
> >     acl_enabled = 1
> >
> >     # IMPORTANT: grant yourself admin rights! replace YourName with
> >     # your user name. See HelpOnAccessControlLists for more help.
> >     # All acl_rights_xxx options must use unicode [Unicode]
> >     #acl_rights_before = u"YourName:read,write,delete,revert,admin"
> >
> >     # Link spam protection for public wikis (Uncomment to enable)
> >     # Needs a reliable internet connection.
> >     #from MoinMoin.util.antispam import SecurityPolicy
> >
> >
> >     # Mail
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     # Configure to enable subscribing to pages (disabled by default)
> >     # or sending forgotten passwords.
> >
> >     # SMTP server, e.g. "mail.provider.com" (empty or None to disable
> mail)
> >     mail_smarthost = ""
> >
> >     # The return address, e.g "My Wiki "
> >     mail_from = ""
> >
> >     # "user pwd" if you need to use SMTP AUTH
> >     mail_login = ""
> >
> >
> >     # User interface
> ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     # Add your wikis important pages at the end. It is not recommended
> to
> >     # remove the default links.  Leave room for user links - don't use
> >     # more than 6 short items.
> >     # You MUST use Unicode strings here, but you need not use localized
> >     # page names for system and help pages, those will be used
> automatically
> >     # according to the user selected language. [Unicode]
> >     navi_bar = [
> >         # Will use page_front_page, (default FrontPage)
> >         u'%(page_front_page)s',
> >         u'RecentChanges',
> >         u'FindPage',
> >         u'SiteNavigation',
> >         u'HelpContents',
> >     ]
> >
> >     # The default theme anonymous or new users get
> >     theme_default = 'modern'
> >
> >
> >     # Language options
> --------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     # See http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ConfigMarket for configuration
> in
> >     # YOUR language that other people contributed.
> >
> >     # The main wiki language, set the direction of the wiki pages
> >     default_lang = 'en'
> >
> >     # You must use Unicode strings here [Unicode]
> >     page_category_regex = u'^Category[A-Z]'
> >     page_dict_regex = u'[a-z]Dict$'
> >     page_form_regex = u'[a-z]Form$'
> >     page_group_regex = u'[a-z]Group$'
> >     page_template_regex = u'[a-z]Template$'
> >
> >     # Content options
> ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     # Show users hostnames in RecentChanges
> >     show_hosts = 1
> >
> >     # Enumerate headlines?
> >     show_section_numbers = 0
> >
> >     # Charts size, require gdchart (Set to None to disable).
> >     chart_options = {'width': 600, 'height': 300}
>
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From gia at webde.de  Thu Feb 23 08:37:03 2006
From: gia at webde.de (Gisbert Amm)
Date: Thu Feb 23 08:37:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <7008329d0602230824n6f1e4e94l2c2561a624931440@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7008329d0602220737q297014fcg4801262895ffcd51@mail.gmail.com>	 <7008329d0602230808ud9093c9mdc58f36857d87d6@mail.gmail.com>	 <43FDDEF4.4000808@webde.de> <7008329d0602230824n6f1e4e94l2c2561a624931440@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43FDE477.7070903@webde.de>

Probably the path to the python interpreter within moin.cgi (the first 
line) is wrong. See http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinFragen (German).

Regards,
Gisbert Amm

Andre Meyer wrote:
> Hi Gisbert
> 
> Not a stupid question at all, but it *is* executable (checked). Done 
> using the chown/chmod statements from the website ( 
> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/WikiInstanceCreation).
> 
> I have just run moin.cgi and it outputs the correct html to the console, 
> just not via Apache.
> 
> thanks
> Andr?
> 
> 
> On 2/23/06, *Gisbert Amm* > wrote:
> 
>     Probably stupid question: Is /usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi
>     executable at all? Can the webserver user read it?
> 
>     Regards,
>     Gisbert Amm
> 
>     Andre Meyer wrote:
>      > MoinMoin
>      >
>      > I have tried to install MoinMoin today on a Fedora Core 4 machine
>     from
>      > the usual repo. After going through all the configuration (see
>      > attachment) it seems to work, but when I access the new wiki I
>     get the
>      > following error message in the browser:
>      >
>      >
>      >   Internal Server Error
>      >
>      > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
>      > unable to complete your request.
>      >
>      > Please contact the server administrator, meyer at acm.org
>     
>      > > and inform them of
>     the time the error occurred,
>      > and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
>      >
>      > More information about this error may be available in the server
>     error log.
>      >
>      >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      > Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at python.openspace.nl
>     
>      > > Port 80
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > The error log says the following:
>      >
>      > [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1
>      < http://127.0.0.1>]
>      > (13)Permission denied: exec of
>      > '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi' failed
>      > [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1
>      < http://127.0.0.1>]
>      > Premature end of script headers: moin.cgi
>      >
>      >
>      > I have also added the lines with permissions for access to the htdocs
>      > directory and restarted httpd, but it doesn't help.
>      >
>      > Any ideas?
>      >
>      > thanks in advance for your help.
>      > kind regards
>      > Andr?
>      >
>      >
>      >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      > #
>     http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/WikiInstanceCreation
>      >
>      > export PREFIX=/usr
>      > export SHARE=$PREFIX/share/moin
>      > export WIKILOCATION=/usr/local/var/moin
>      > export INSTANCE=diwiki
>      >
>      > export USER=apache
>      > export GROUP=apache
>      >
>      > cd $WIKILOCATION
>      > mkdir $INSTANCE
>      > cp -R $SHARE/data $INSTANCE
>      > cp -R $SHARE/underlay $INSTANCE
>      > cp $SHARE/config/wikiconfig.py $INSTANCE
>      >
>      > chown -R $USER.$GROUP $INSTANCE
>      > chmod -R ug+rwX $INSTANCE
>      > chmod -R o-rwx $INSTANCE
>      >
>      > # Moin CGI
>      > cd $WIKILOCATION/$INSTANCE
>      > mkdir cgi-bin
>      > cp $SHARE/server/moin.cgi cgi-bin
>      > chown -R $USER.$GROUP cgi-bin
>      > chmod -R ug+rx cgi-bin
>      > chmod -R o-rwx cgi-bin
>      >
>      > echo "" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
>      > #echo "Alias /wiki/ \"$SHARE/htdocs/\"" >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
>      > echo "ScriptAlias /diwiki
>     \"$WIKILOCATION/$INSTANCE/cgi-bin/moin.cgi\""
>      >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
>      >
>      > # restart Apache
>      > /etc/init.d/httpd restart
>      >
>      > grep moin /var/log/httpd/error_log
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>      >
>      > # -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
>      > # IMPORTANT! This encoding (charset) setting MUST be correct! If
>     you live in a
>      > # western country and you don't know that you use utf-8, you
>     probably want to
>      > # use iso-8859-1 (or some other iso charset). If you use utf-8 (a
>     Unicode
>      > # encoding) you MUST use: coding: utf-8
>      > # That setting must match the encoding your editor uses when you
>     modify the
>      > # settings below. If it does not, special non-ASCII chars will be
>     wrong.
>      >
>      > """
>      >     MoinMoin - Configuration for a single wiki
>      >
>      >     If you run a single wiki only, you can omit the farmconfig.py
>     config
>      >     file and just use wikiconfig.py - it will be used for every
>     request
>      >     we get in that case.
>      >
>      >     Note that there are more config options than you'll find in
>      >     the version of this file that is installed by default; see
>      >     the module MoinMoin.multiconfig for a full list of names and
>     their
>      >     default values.
>      >
>      >     Also, the URL
>     http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnConfiguration
>      has
>      >     a list of config options.
>      >
>      >     @copyright: 2000-2005 by Juergen Hermann      >
>      >     @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
>      > """
>      >
>      > from MoinMoin.multiconfig import DefaultConfig
>      >
>      >
>      > class Config(DefaultConfig):
>      >
>      >     # Wiki identity
>     ----------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >     # Site name, used by default for wiki name-logo [Unicode]
>      >     sitename = u'Distributed Intelligence Wiki'
>      >
>      >     # Wiki logo. You can use an image, text or both. [Unicode]
>      >     # Example: u'My Wiki'
>      >     # For no logo or text, use ''
>      >     logo_string = sitename
>      >
>      >     # The interwiki name used in interwiki links
>      >     interwikiname = None
>      >
>      >
>      >     # Critical
>     setup  ---------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >     # Misconfiguration here will render your wiki unusable. Check
>     that
>      >     # all directories are accessible by the web server or moin
>     server.
>      >
>      >     # If you encounter problems, try to set data_dir and
>     data_underlay_dir
>      >     # to absolute paths.
>      >
>      >     # Where your mutable wiki pages are. You want to make regular
>      >     # backups of this directory.
>      >     data_dir = '../data/'
>      >
>      >     # Where read-only system and help page are. You might want to
>     share
>      >     # this directory between several wikis. When you update MoinMoin,
>      >     # you can safely replace the underlay directory with a new
>     one. This
>      >     # directory is part of MoinMoin distribution, you don't have to
>      >     # backup it.
>      >     data_underlay_dir = '../underlay/'
>      >
>      >     # This must be '/wiki' for twisted and standalone. For CGI,
>     it should
>      >     # match your Apache Alias setting.
>      >     url_prefix = '/diwiki'
>      >
>      >
>      >     # Security
>     ----------------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >     # Security critical actions (disabled by default)
>      >     # Uncomment to enable options you like.
>      >     #allowed_actions = ['DeletePage', 'AttachFile', 'RenamePage']
>      >
>      >     # Enable acl (0 to disable)
>      >     acl_enabled = 1
>      >
>      >     # IMPORTANT: grant yourself admin rights! replace YourName with
>      >     # your user name. See HelpOnAccessControlLists for more help.
>      >     # All acl_rights_xxx options must use unicode [Unicode]
>      >     #acl_rights_before = u"YourName:read,write,delete,revert,admin"
>      >
>      >     # Link spam protection for public wikis (Uncomment to enable)
>      >     # Needs a reliable internet connection.
>      >     #from MoinMoin.util.antispam import SecurityPolicy
>      >
>      >
>      >     # Mail
>     --------------------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >     # Configure to enable subscribing to pages (disabled by default)
>      >     # or sending forgotten passwords.
>      >
>      >     # SMTP server, e.g. "mail.provider.com
>     " (empty or None to disable mail)
>      >     mail_smarthost = ""
>      >
>      >     # The return address, e.g "My Wiki      >"
>      >     mail_from = ""
>      >
>      >     # "user pwd" if you need to use SMTP AUTH
>      >     mail_login = ""
>      >
>      >
>      >     # User interface
>     ----------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >     # Add your wikis important pages at the end. It is not
>     recommended to
>      >     # remove the default links.  Leave room for user links -
>     don't use
>      >     # more than 6 short items.
>      >     # You MUST use Unicode strings here, but you need not use
>     localized
>      >     # page names for system and help pages, those will be used
>     automatically
>      >     # according to the user selected language. [Unicode]
>      >     navi_bar = [
>      >         # Will use page_front_page, (default FrontPage)
>      >         u'%(page_front_page)s',
>      >         u'RecentChanges',
>      >         u'FindPage',
>      >         u'SiteNavigation',
>      >         u'HelpContents',
>      >     ]
>      >
>      >     # The default theme anonymous or new users get
>      >     theme_default = 'modern'
>      >
>      >
>      >     # Language options
>     --------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >     # See http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ConfigMarket
>      for configuration in
>      >     # YOUR language that other people contributed.
>      >
>      >     # The main wiki language, set the direction of the wiki pages
>      >     default_lang = 'en'
>      >
>      >     # You must use Unicode strings here [Unicode]
>      >     page_category_regex = u'^Category[A-Z]'
>      >     page_dict_regex = u'[a-z]Dict$'
>      >     page_form_regex = u'[a-z]Form$'
>      >     page_group_regex = u'[a-z]Group$'
>      >     page_template_regex = u'[a-z]Template$'
>      >
>      >     # Content options
>     ---------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >     # Show users hostnames in RecentChanges
>      >     show_hosts = 1
>      >
>      >     # Enumerate headlines?
>      >     show_section_numbers = 0
>      >
>      >     # Charts size, require gdchart (Set to None to disable).
>      >     chart_options = {'width': 600, 'height': 300}

From meyer at acm.org  Thu Feb 23 08:48:26 2006
From: meyer at acm.org (Andre Meyer)
Date: Thu Feb 23 08:48:26 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <43FDE477.7070903@webde.de>
References: <7008329d0602220737q297014fcg4801262895ffcd51@mail.gmail.com>
	 <7008329d0602230808ud9093c9mdc58f36857d87d6@mail.gmail.com>
	 <43FDDEF4.4000808@webde.de>
	 <7008329d0602230824n6f1e4e94l2c2561a624931440@mail.gmail.com>
	 <43FDE477.7070903@webde.de>
Message-ID: <7008329d0602230847s1d3877d0r258c5cd5e1d315dd@mail.gmail.com>

Just checked. The path is /usr/bin/python and that is correct on Fedora.

[root at python:/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin]# ll
total 16
-rwxrwxrwx  1 apache apache 1034 Feb 23 15:00 moin.cgi

On 2/23/06, Gisbert Amm  wrote:
>
> Probably the path to the python interpreter within moin.cgi (the first
> line) is wrong. See http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinFragen(German).
>
> Regards,
> Gisbert Amm
>
> Andre Meyer wrote:
> > Hi Gisbert
> >
> > Not a stupid question at all, but it *is* executable (checked). Done
> > using the chown/chmod statements from the website (
> > http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/WikiInstanceCreation).
> >
> > I have just run moin.cgi and it outputs the correct html to the console,
> > just not via Apache.
> >
> > thanks
> > Andr?
> >
> >
> > On 2/23/06, *Gisbert Amm* > wrote:
> >
> >     Probably stupid question: Is
> /usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi
> >     executable at all? Can the webserver user read it?
> >
> >     Regards,
> >     Gisbert Amm
> >
> >     Andre Meyer wrote:
> >      > MoinMoin
> >      >
> >      > I have tried to install MoinMoin today on a Fedora Core 4 machine
> >     from
> >      > the usual repo. After going through all the configuration (see
> >      > attachment) it seems to work, but when I access the new wiki I
> >     get the
> >      > following error message in the browser:
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >   Internal Server Error
> >      >
> >      > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and
> was
> >      > unable to complete your request.
> >      >
> >      > Please contact the server administrator, meyer at acm.org
> >     
> >      > > and inform them of
> >     the time the error occurred,
> >      > and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
> >      >
> >      > More information about this error may be available in the server
> >     error log.
> >      >
> >      >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >      > Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at python.openspace.nl
> >     
> >      > > Port 80
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > The error log says the following:
> >      >
> >      > [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1
> >      < http://127.0.0.1>]
> >      > (13)Permission denied: exec of
> >      > '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi' failed
> >      > [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1
> >      < http://127.0.0.1>]
> >      > Premature end of script headers: moin.cgi
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > I have also added the lines with permissions for access to the
> htdocs
> >      > directory and restarted httpd, but it doesn't help.
> >      >
> >      > Any ideas?
> >      >
> >      > thanks in advance for your help.
> >      > kind regards
> >      > Andr?
> >      >
> >      >
>
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From gia at webde.de  Thu Feb 23 08:52:05 2006
From: gia at webde.de (Gisbert Amm)
Date: Thu Feb 23 08:52:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <7008329d0602230847s1d3877d0r258c5cd5e1d315dd@mail.gmail.com>
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How does your moin.cgi look like?

Andre Meyer wrote:
> Just checked. The path is /usr/bin/python and that is correct on Fedora.
> 
> [root at python:/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin]# ll
> total 16
> -rwxrwxrwx  1 apache apache 1034 Feb 23 15:00 moin.cgi
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/23/06, *Gisbert Amm* > wrote:
> 
>     Probably the path to the python interpreter within moin.cgi (the first
>     line) is wrong. See http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinFragen
>     (German).
> 
>     Regards,
>     Gisbert Amm
> 
>     Andre Meyer wrote:
>      > Hi Gisbert
>      >
>      > Not a stupid question at all, but it *is* executable (checked). Done
>      > using the chown/chmod statements from the website (
>      >
>     http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/WikiInstanceCreation).
>      >
>      > I have just run moin.cgi and it outputs the correct html to the
>     console,
>      > just not via Apache.
>      >
>      > thanks
>      > Andr?
>      >
>      >
>      > On 2/23/06, *Gisbert Amm* 
>     >> wrote:
>      >
>      >     Probably stupid question: Is
>     /usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi
>      >     executable at all? Can the webserver user read it?
>      >
>      >     Regards,
>      >     Gisbert Amm
>      >
>      >     Andre Meyer wrote:
>      >      > MoinMoin
>      >      >
>      >      > I have tried to install MoinMoin today on a Fedora Core 4
>     machine
>      >     from
>      >      > the usual repo. After going through all the configuration (see
>      >      > attachment) it seems to work, but when I access the new wiki I
>      >     get the
>      >      > following error message in the browser:
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      >   Internal Server Error
>      >      >
>      >      > The server encountered an internal error or
>     misconfiguration and was
>      >      > unable to complete your request.
>      >      >
>      >      > Please contact the server administrator, meyer at acm.org
>     
>      >     >
>      >      > 
>     >> and inform them of
>      >     the time the error occurred,
>      >      > and anything you might have done that may have caused the
>     error.
>      >      >
>      >      > More information about this error may be available in the
>     server
>      >     error log.
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >    
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>      >      > Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at python.openspace.nl
>     
>      >     
>      >      > 
>     >> Port 80
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      > The error log says the following:
>      >      >
>      >      > [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1
>     
>      >      < http://127.0.0.1>]
>      >      > (13)Permission denied: exec of
>      >      > '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi' failed
>      >      > [Wed Feb 22 14:56:35 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1
>     
>      >      < http://127.0.0.1>]
>      >      > Premature end of script headers: moin.cgi
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      > I have also added the lines with permissions for access to
>     the htdocs
>      >      > directory and restarted httpd, but it doesn't help.

From meyer at acm.org  Thu Feb 23 08:55:05 2006
From: meyer at acm.org (Andre Meyer)
Date: Thu Feb 23 08:55:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
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On 2/23/06, Gisbert Amm  wrote:
>
> How does your moin.cgi look like?

#!/usr/bin/python
# -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
"""
    MoinMoin - CGI Driver Script

    @copyright: 2000-2005 by J?rgen Hermann 
    @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
"""

# System path configuration

import sys

# Path of the directory where wikiconfig.py is located.
# YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS TO MATCH YOUR SETUP.
sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki')

# Path to MoinMoin package, needed if you installed with --prefix=PREFIX
# or if you did not use setup.py.
## sys.path.insert(0, 'PREFIX/lib/python2.3/site-packages')

# Path of the directory where farmconfig.py is located (if different).
## sys.path.insert(0, '/path/to/farmconfig')

# This is used to profile MoinMoin (default disabled)
hotshotProfiler = 0

# ---------------------------------------------------------------------

if hotshotProfiler:
    import hotshot
    prof = hotshot.Profile("moin.prof")
    prof.start()

from MoinMoin.request import RequestCGI
request = RequestCGI()
request.run()

if hotshotProfiler:
    prof.close()
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From: gia at webde.de (Gisbert Amm)
Date: Thu Feb 23 09:03:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
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Nothing suspicious.

If you face no problems when you run /usr/bin/python then I'm afraid I 
run out of ideas.

Anyone else?

Regards,
Gisbert Amm

Andre Meyer wrote:
> 
> On 2/23/06, *Gisbert Amm* > wrote:
> 
>     How does your moin.cgi look like?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> #!/usr/bin/python
> # -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
> """
>     MoinMoin - CGI Driver Script
> 
>     @copyright: 2000-2005 by J?rgen Hermann < jh at web.de >
>     @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
> """
> 
> # System path configuration
> 
> import sys
> 
> # Path of the directory where wikiconfig.py is located.
> # YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS TO MATCH YOUR SETUP.
> sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki')
> 
> # Path to MoinMoin package, needed if you installed with --prefix=PREFIX
> # or if you did not use setup.py.
> ## sys.path.insert(0, 'PREFIX/lib/python2.3/site-packages')
> 
> # Path of the directory where farmconfig.py is located (if different).
> ## sys.path.insert(0, '/path/to/farmconfig')
> 
> 
> # This is used to profile MoinMoin (default disabled)
> hotshotProfiler = 0
> 
> # ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> if hotshotProfiler:
>     import hotshot
>     prof = hotshot.Profile("moin.prof")
>     prof.start ()
> 
> from MoinMoin.request import RequestCGI
> request = RequestCGI()
> request.run()
> 
> if hotshotProfiler:
>     prof.close()

From meyer at acm.org  Thu Feb 23 09:10:04 2006
From: meyer at acm.org (Andre Meyer)
Date: Thu Feb 23 09:10:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
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Maybe another problem: the permissons are set to apache.apache, but there is
no actual user apache. Is that a problem?

[root at python:/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki]# egrep "^User|^Group"
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
User apache
Group apache

???

Thanks a lot, Gisbert
Andr?

On 2/23/06, Gisbert Amm  wrote:
>
> Nothing suspicious.
>
> If you face no problems when you run /usr/bin/python then I'm afraid I
> run out of ideas.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Regards,
> Gisbert Amm
>
> Andre Meyer wrote:
> >
> > On 2/23/06, *Gisbert Amm* > wrote:
> >
> >     How does your moin.cgi look like?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > #!/usr/bin/python
> > # -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
> > """
> >     MoinMoin - CGI Driver Script
> >
> >     @copyright: 2000-2005 by J?rgen Hermann < jh at web.de  jh at web.de>>
> >     @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
> > """
> >
> > # System path configuration
> >
> > import sys
> >
> > # Path of the directory where wikiconfig.py is located.
> > # YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS TO MATCH YOUR SETUP.
> > sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki')
> >
> > # Path to MoinMoin package, needed if you installed with --prefix=PREFIX
> > # or if you did not use setup.py.
> > ## sys.path.insert(0, 'PREFIX/lib/python2.3/site-packages')
> >
> > # Path of the directory where farmconfig.py is located (if different).
> > ## sys.path.insert(0, '/path/to/farmconfig')
> >
> >
> > # This is used to profile MoinMoin (default disabled)
> > hotshotProfiler = 0
> >
> > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > if hotshotProfiler:
> >     import hotshot
> >     prof = hotshot.Profile("moin.prof")
> >     prof.start ()
> >
> > from MoinMoin.request import RequestCGI
> > request = RequestCGI()
> > request.run()
> >
> > if hotshotProfiler:
> >     prof.close()
>
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From moin.askthem at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 10:04:05 2006
From: moin.askthem at gmail.com (Arp)
Date: Thu Feb 23 10:04:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Discussions related to MoinMaster pages?
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Oops - replied this to Thilo instead of to the list...

In the mean time I restructured
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/FeatureRequests/DiscussionAndOrCommentPages
to include some of these ideas for discussion/documentation and added
some preliminary items to maybe "vote" on or give opinions.

New/more ideas and points of view by others would be greatly appreciated too ;o)

On 2/22/06, Thilo Pfennig  wrote:

> > In the case of MoinMaster pages for example these links would probably
> > have to be filtered out at distribution time which is less
> I don't think that they have to be filtered out if they are InterWiki links.

To solve the 'problem' of finding related discussions/comments/other
for the MoinMaster pages it would be fine by me if the MoinMoin
community here could agree on 'allowing' a list of links to related
pages on MoinMaster Help* pages etc.
The system that is in place now (one HelpErrata page for all and
discussion in the mailing list ?? is that it??) to me seems to be
somewhat limited, especially for larger discussions that would be
natural around the initial stages of creating new pages/ideas etc.

But for 'production' wikis I would much rather find a serious standard
solution to integrate a discussion/comments system...

> > True, and brave editting should still be encouraged, but not all discussions or
> > comments really 'improve' a page and indeed usually do make it less
> > neat/legible.
> I would agree if we would talk about some pages. Talking about every
> page I would say that  it is ok, that not every editing is an
> improvement. A good page is a good compromise. Taht does need social
> skills than can not be replaced by any invention.

Of course, and  we could go into lengthy discussions of WikiNature or
WikiPhilosophy and such and get radically religious about such things
;o) and maybe I'm trying to abuse the WikiThing (tm) by trying to use
it as a sort of content management system, or community system to
create _nice_ documentation and educational materials, but I think I'm
probably not alone at this and inline discussions/comments can really
mess up a page and require regular maintenance and cleaning (often by
others that did not create the discussion mess )

> >  It also makes it harder to suppress these links in a
> > 'printable' version of such a page.
> Well, you never know what people like to be printed.

I'm thinking more along the lines of using the possibilities thas CSS
offers to creat different representations of the page depending on
output medium (and having some handles in the raw text of a page to
indicate blocks for printing/screen etc). That's another issue
however, although it _might_ be solved in similar ways (see below)

> > Maybe instead of using visible/clickable links or Category markers a
> > system could be deviced that is based on meta-tags in the comments on
> > the headers of a page, but this would surely have to be supported by
> > code of some sort.
> Meta data has beend discussed in http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MetaDataInMoin

Thanks a lot for that link! I'll have to seriously look at this and
probably the possibilities of using the DocBook possibilities that
newer Moin versions seem to offer. But i'll have to find some time for
that as it doesn't seem trivial to restructure a wiki around this.

Glancing at it quickly it comes to mind that using some of the
suggested MetaData mechanisms (or even DocBook) it should be possible
to tag sections in a page as being a 'comment' or 'discussion' or
whatever and then have a choice in the user interface to (not) display
these and maybe have a choice to display these either inline or all at
the bottom of the page or so.
A similar hook could then be used to have 'non printable' sections in
a page (for example lists with links or category markers or
interactive forms or such) or maybe 'print only' sections so a page
could be structured to be displayed either heavily
hypertexted/interactive or 'printable' depending on output medium.

All those are maybe _very_ neat ideas and can probably have many many
different technical implementations (maybe having a seperate subpage
for every 'discussion thread' and optionally include these or not). It
would probably require rather large changes to the core Moin code or
at least a complex set of Actions/Macros whatever. Not trivial it
seems.

In some way that could certainly be prefered over something 'Quick and
Dirty' as long as the idea is well thought about and it is clear many
people like the idea. But my guess is that it certainly won't be
quick.

cheers
--
Arp

From nirs at freeshell.org  Thu Feb 23 11:46:00 2006
From: nirs at freeshell.org (Nir Soffer)
Date: Thu Feb 23 11:46:00 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <7008329d0602230909u68d5586ck5a0ed70d34d9220@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7008329d0602220737q297014fcg4801262895ffcd51@mail.gmail.com> <7008329d0602230808ud9093c9mdc58f36857d87d6@mail.gmail.com> <43FDDEF4.4000808@webde.de> <7008329d0602230824n6f1e4e94l2c2561a624931440@mail.gmail.com> <43FDE477.7070903@webde.de> <7008329d0602230847s1d3877d0r258c5cd5e1d315dd@mail.gmail.com> <43FDE816.4070505@webde.de> <7008329d0602230854s1bfedc23id8edf35cfc81aa7@mail.gmail.com> <43FDEA90.5020505@webde.de> <7008329d0602230909u68d5586ck5a0ed70d34d9220@mail.gmail.com>
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Try to run a simple test script, to make sure apache can run cgi 
scripts from this location.

Rename moin.cgi temporarilly, and create this script named moin.cgi

#!/usr/bin/python
import cgi
cgi.test()

Now make it executable and set the user and group to apache:apache, and 
try to access with apache.

If this script will run, the problem may be with moin installation.

On 23/02/2006, at 19:09, Andre Meyer wrote:

> Maybe another problem: the permissons are set to apache.apache, but 
> there is no actual user apache. Is that a problem?
>
> [root at python:/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki]# egrep "^User|^Group" 
> /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
> User apache
> Group apache
>
> ???
>
> Thanks a lot, Gisbert
> Andr?
>
>
> On 2/23/06, Gisbert Amm  wrote:Nothing suspicious.
>>
>> If you face no problems when you run /usr/bin/python then I'm afraid I
>> run out of ideas.
>>
>> Anyone else?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gisbert Amm
>>
>> Andre Meyer wrote:
>> >
>> > On 2/23/06, *Gisbert Amm* > 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >???? How does your moin.cgi look like?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > #!/usr/bin/python
>> > # -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
>> > """
>> >???? MoinMoin - CGI Driver Script
>> >
>> >???? @copyright: 2000-2005 by J?rgen Hermann < jh at web.de 
>> >
>> >???? @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
>> > """
>> >
>> > # System path configuration
>> >
>> > import sys
>> >
>> > # Path of the directory where wikiconfig.py is located.
>> > # YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS TO MATCH YOUR SETUP.
>> > sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki')
>> >
>> > # Path to MoinMoin package, needed if you installed with 
>> --prefix=PREFIX
>> > # or if you did not use setup.py.
>> > ## sys.path.insert(0, 'PREFIX/lib/python2.3/site-packages')
>> >
>> > # Path of the directory where farmconfig.py is located (if 
>> different).
>> > ## sys.path.insert(0, '/path/to/farmconfig')
>> >
>> >
>> > # This is used to profile MoinMoin (default disabled)
>>  > hotshotProfiler = 0
>> >
>> > # 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > if hotshotProfiler:
>> >???? import hotshot
>> >???? prof = hotshot.Profile("moin.prof ")
>> >???? prof.start ()
>> >
>> > from MoinMoin.request import RequestCGI
>> > request = RequestCGI()
>> > request.run()
>> >
>> > if hotshotProfiler:
>> >???? prof.close()
>
>

Best Regards,

Nir Soffer

From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Thu Feb 23 15:48:01 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Thu Feb 23 15:48:01 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Fun with user_autocreate
Message-ID: <43FE494F.7070007@iocane.com.au>

Hi all.

I'm trying to get my head around the program architecture at
the moment, and I'm hoping that someone can explain this to me.
Currently I'm using moin-1.5.1, and I'm modifying it to support
HTTP authentication via LDAP (specifically, Active Directory)
in standalone mode.  That bit works.  Additionally, what I'm
trying to is to have the wiki auto create the account when the
person has logged in for the first time (using the cn and email
AD attributes).  The bit that's not working for me is that I
have "user_autocreate = True" set in the config, but by the
time User's create_or_update() method has been called,
user_autocreate is false.  I guess this is where my confusion
kicks in; the cfg attribute in RequestStandAlone/RequestBase
(which in turn is passed to User()) is coming from multiconfig.
I can't see how the startup configuration would ever get to
the request, even though they're both instances of Config().
Did I miss something in the install?  (All the Wiki doco
regarding user_autocreate seems to imply just stick it in
the Config class and it should work).

Any help to unbend my head would be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Thu Feb 23 18:53:07 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Thu Feb 23 18:53:07 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Fun with user_autocreate
In-Reply-To: <43FE494F.7070007@iocane.com.au>
References: <43FE494F.7070007@iocane.com.au>
Message-ID: <43FE74DB.9020301@iocane.com.au>

Daryl Tester wrote:

> (All the Wiki doco regarding user_autocreate seems to
> imply just stick it in the Config class and it should
> work).

Ah, but which Config class?  This looks like it's an
issue with the standalone configuration.  moin.py
defines its own Config class which is passed into
run().  If farmconfig hasn't been configured then
RequestBase defaults to the Config class defined in
wikiconfig.py, not moin.py.  I'm still not sure why
it just isn't using the Config class passed in when
started up, but there you have it.  Do any developers
hang out on this list?

-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From meyer at acm.org  Fri Feb 24 01:58:02 2006
From: meyer at acm.org (Andre Meyer)
Date: Fri Feb 24 01:58:02 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
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Message-ID: <7008329d0602240157m4d425cb0tc63a6dee40216351@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nir

Tried this and the result is exactly the same: 500 Internal Server Error. No
Moin problem, thus...

Any Fedora/Apache guru's with more insight?
thanks
Andr?

On 2/23/06, Nir Soffer  wrote:
>
> Try to run a simple test script, to make sure apache can run cgi
> scripts from this location.
>
> Rename moin.cgi temporarilly, and create this script named moin.cgi
>
> #!/usr/bin/python
> import cgi
> cgi.test()
>
>
> Now make it executable and set the user and group to apache:apache, and
> try to access with apache.
>
> If this script will run, the problem may be with moin installation.
>
>
> On 23/02/2006, at 19:09, Andre Meyer wrote:
>
> > Maybe another problem: the permissons are set to apache.apache, but
> > there is no actual user apache. Is that a problem?
> >
> > [root at python:/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki]# egrep "^User|^Group"
> > /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
> > User apache
> > Group apache
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Thanks a lot, Gisbert
> > Andr?
> >
> >
> > On 2/23/06, Gisbert Amm  wrote:Nothing suspicious.
> >>
> >> If you face no problems when you run /usr/bin/python then I'm afraid I
> >> run out of ideas.
> >>
> >> Anyone else?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Gisbert Amm
> >>
> >> Andre Meyer wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On 2/23/06, *Gisbert Amm* >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > How does your moin.cgi look like?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > #!/usr/bin/python
> >> > # -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
> >> > """
> >> > MoinMoin - CGI Driver Script
> >> >
> >> > @copyright: 2000-2005 by J?rgen Hermann < jh at web.de
> >> >
> >> > @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
> >> > """
> >> >
> >> > # System path configuration
> >> >
> >> > import sys
> >> >
> >> > # Path of the directory where wikiconfig.py is located.
> >> > # YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS TO MATCH YOUR SETUP.
> >> > sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki')
> >> >
> >> > # Path to MoinMoin package, needed if you installed with
> >> --prefix=PREFIX
> >> > # or if you did not use setup.py.
> >> > ## sys.path.insert(0, 'PREFIX/lib/python2.3/site-packages')
> >> >
> >> > # Path of the directory where farmconfig.py is located (if
> >> different).
> >> > ## sys.path.insert(0, '/path/to/farmconfig')
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > # This is used to profile MoinMoin (default disabled)
> >>  > hotshotProfiler = 0
> >> >
> >> > #
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > if hotshotProfiler:
> >> > import hotshot
> >> > prof = hotshot.Profile("moin.prof ")
> >> > prof.start ()
> >> >
> >> > from MoinMoin.request import RequestCGI
> >> > request = RequestCGI()
> >> > request.run()
> >> >
> >> > if hotshotProfiler:
> >> > prof.close()
> >
> >
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Nir Soffer
>
>
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From gia at webde.de  Fri Feb 24 02:09:02 2006
From: gia at webde.de (Gisbert Amm)
Date: Fri Feb 24 02:09:02 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <7008329d0602240157m4d425cb0tc63a6dee40216351@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7008329d0602220737q297014fcg4801262895ffcd51@mail.gmail.com>	 <43FDDEF4.4000808@webde.de>	 <7008329d0602230824n6f1e4e94l2c2561a624931440@mail.gmail.com>	 <43FDE477.7070903@webde.de>	 <7008329d0602230847s1d3877d0r258c5cd5e1d315dd@mail.gmail.com>	 <43FDE816.4070505@webde.de>	 <7008329d0602230854s1bfedc23id8edf35cfc81aa7@mail.gmail.com>	 <43FDEA90.5020505@webde.de>	 <7008329d0602230909u68d5586ck5a0ed70d34d9220@mail.gmail.com>	  <7008329d0602240157m4d425cb0tc63a6dee40216351@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43FEDB01.5090309@webde.de>

You said there were no user named apache within the system, if I got it 
right. However, user and group in httpd conf are set to apache. Which 
user runs the httpd processes then?

-Gisbert

Andre Meyer wrote:
> Hi Nir
> 
> Tried this and the result is exactly the same: 500 Internal Server 
> Error. No Moin problem, thus...
> 
> Any Fedora/Apache guru's with more insight?
> thanks
> Andr?
> 
> On 2/23/06, *Nir Soffer*  > wrote:
> 
>     Try to run a simple test script, to make sure apache can run cgi
>     scripts from this location.
> 
>     Rename moin.cgi temporarilly, and create this script named moin.cgi
> 
>     #!/usr/bin/python
>     import cgi
>     cgi.test ()
> 
> 
>     Now make it executable and set the user and group to apache:apache, and
>     try to access with apache.
> 
>     If this script will run, the problem may be with moin installation.
> 
> 
>     On 23/02/2006, at 19:09, Andre Meyer wrote:
> 
>      > Maybe another problem: the permissons are set to apache.apache, but
>      > there is no actual user apache. Is that a problem?
>      >
>      > [root at python:/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki]# egrep "^User|^Group"
>      > /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
>      > User apache
>      > Group apache
>      >
>      > ???
>      >
>      > Thanks a lot, Gisbert
>      > Andr?
>      >
>      >
>      > On 2/23/06, Gisbert Amm < gia at webde.de  >
>     wrote:Nothing suspicious.
>      >>
>      >> If you face no problems when you run /usr/bin/python then I'm
>     afraid I
>      >> run out of ideas.
>      >>
>      >> Anyone else?
>      >>
>      >> Regards,
>      >> Gisbert Amm
>      >>
>      >> Andre Meyer wrote:
>      >> >
>      >> > On 2/23/06, *Gisbert Amm* 
>     >>
>      >> wrote:
>      >> >
>      >> > How does your moin.cgi look like?
>      >> >
>      >> >
>      >> >
>      >> >
>      >> >
>      >> > #!/usr/bin/python
>      >> > # -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
>      >> > """
>      >> > MoinMoin - CGI Driver Script
>      >> >
>      >> > @copyright: 2000-2005 by J?rgen Hermann < jh at web.de
>     
>      >> >>
>      >> > @license: GNU GPL, see COPYING for details.
>      >> > """
>      >> >
>      >> > # System path configuration
>      >> >
>      >> > import sys
>      >> >
>      >> > # Path of the directory where wikiconfig.py is located.
>      >> > # YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS TO MATCH YOUR SETUP.
>      >> > sys.path.insert (0, '/usr/local/var/moin/diwiki')
>      >> >
>      >> > # Path to MoinMoin package, needed if you installed with
>      >> --prefix=PREFIX
>      >> > # or if you did not use setup.py.
>      >> > ## sys.path.insert(0, 'PREFIX/lib/python2.3/site-packages')
>      >> >
>      >> > # Path of the directory where farmconfig.py is located (if
>      >> different).
>      >> > ## sys.path.insert(0, '/path/to/farmconfig')
>      >> >
>      >> >
>      >> > # This is used to profile MoinMoin (default disabled)
>      >>  > hotshotProfiler = 0
>      >> >
>      >> > #
>      >>
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>      >> >
>      >> > if hotshotProfiler:
>      >> > import hotshot
>      >> > prof = hotshot.Profile("moin.prof ")
>      >> > prof.start ()
>      >> >
>      >> > from MoinMoin.request import RequestCGI
>      >> > request = RequestCGI()
>      >> > request.run()
>      >> >
>      >> > if hotshotProfiler:
>      >> > prof.close()
>      >
>      >

From tw-public at gmx.de  Fri Feb 24 09:31:05 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri Feb 24 09:31:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Fun with user_autocreate
In-Reply-To: <43FE494F.7070007@iocane.com.au>
References: <43FE494F.7070007@iocane.com.au>
Message-ID: <43FF427C.2060909@gmx.de>

> I'm trying to get my head around the program architecture at
> the moment, and I'm hoping that someone can explain this to me.
> Currently I'm using moin-1.5.1,

For development it is best to use a current version, that means at least 
the latest release, better a tla checkout.

> and I'm modifying it to support
> HTTP authentication via LDAP (specifically, Active Directory)

auth against AD / LDAP is already done in recent patchlevels.

In my implementation, it still uses the cookie to stay "logged in".

> in standalone mode.  That bit works.  Additionally, what I'm
> trying to is to have the wiki auto create the account when the
> person has logged in for the first time (using the cn and email
> AD attributes).  The bit that's not working for me is that I
> have "user_autocreate = True" set in the config, but by the
> time User's create_or_update() method has been called,
> user_autocreate is false.

That sounds strange. X)
Checked for typos? Maybe you assigned it twice in your configs?

> I guess this is where my confusion
> kicks in; the cfg attribute in RequestStandAlone/RequestBase
> (which in turn is passed to User()) is coming from multiconfig.

MoinMoin/multiconfig.py just has the defaults (and some code to load 
configs). Never change stuff there, only change YOUR farmconfig.py or 
wikiconfig.py.

> I can't see how the startup configuration would ever get to
> the request, even though they're both instances of Config().

multiconfig.py imports your configuration - either by importing and 
using your farmconfig, going through the wikis list, checking what 
config module it shall load for the current request URL. Or, if no 
farmconfig.py is there, it will load wikiconfig.py and use it for any URL.

> Did I miss something in the install?  (All the Wiki doco
> regarding user_autocreate seems to imply just stick it in
> the Config class and it should work).

If you are doing your own auth method, you of course have to have the 
usual few code lines at the end of your auth method calling the 
create_or_update method, see those other auth methods.

> Any help to unbend my head would be greatly appreciated.

Join us on IRC #moin channel.

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Feb 24 10:28:05 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri Feb 24 10:28:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Math using ASCIIMathML vs. LaTeX vs. ???
Message-ID: <17407.20525.486794.265201@montanaro.dyndns.org>

Has any decision been made by the powers-that-be about equation support in
MoinMoin?  We have the latex macro/parser installed at work and have been
using it.  I just patched my 1.5.2 testbed to support the ASCIIMathML
extension (http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MathMlSupport).  From an
installation/support standpoint the ASCIIMathML route seems easier to me (no
need to install LaTeX, though extra fonts may be required).  MathML is much
faster than using LaTex.  I also found that there are some cache problems
with the generated images.  We frequently have to "Delete Cache" to get the
LaTex-generated images to display.

The downside of the ASCIMathML solution is that it requires a couple changes
to the MoinMoin code.  The LaTeX macro/parser is self-contained.  That leads
me to wonder if a decision has been about supporting math in MoinMoin...

Thx,

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/
      "The values  to which people cling  most stubbornly  under inappropriate
      conditions are those  values that were  previously  the source  of their
      greatest triumphs over adversity." -- Jared Diamond in "Collapse"

From Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au  Fri Feb 24 14:49:02 2006
From: Daryl.Tester at iocane.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Fri Feb 24 14:49:02 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Fun with user_autocreate
In-Reply-To: <43FF427C.2060909@gmx.de>
References: <43FE494F.7070007@iocane.com.au> <43FF427C.2060909@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <43FF8D13.5000908@iocane.com.au>

Thomas Waldmann wrote:

>> Currently I'm using moin-1.5.1,

> For development it is best to use a current version, that means at least 
> the latest release, better a tla checkout.

At the time I wasn't aware of a later release having come out since
I started the project.  I've started working against the 1.5.2
release but couldn't find any development snapshots/tarballs (and
at the moment I'm really reluctant to learn Yet-Another-Revisioning
system on top of CVS, Subversion and OpenCM).

>> and I'm modifying it to support
>> HTTP authentication via LDAP (specifically, Active Directory)

> auth against AD / LDAP is already done in recent patchlevels.

Is it doing HTTP authentication?  I'm setting this up in an
"Enterprise" type scenario where all users must be authenticated,
(and therefore will have AD credentials).

>> The bit that's not working for me is that I
>> have "user_autocreate = True" set in the config, but by the
>> time User's create_or_update() method has been called,
>> user_autocreate is false.

> That sounds strange. X)
> Checked for typos? Maybe you assigned it twice in your configs?

No, I'd stepped through it with the debugger - it is definitely
assigned when server.standalone.run() is called, but I've since
discovered that it's not the same instance that's passed to
the request (see my follow up posting for details).

>> I guess this is where my confusion
>> kicks in; the cfg attribute in RequestStandAlone/RequestBase
>> (which in turn is passed to User()) is coming from multiconfig.

> MoinMoin/multiconfig.py just has the defaults (and some code to load 
> configs). Never change stuff there, only change YOUR farmconfig.py or 
> wikiconfig.py.

Sorry, my point here (has become) that it wasn't the same config
as passed in via moin.py, and I was chasing it to find out why.
This may have been a bad assumption on my part, but I couldn't
find anything that said the config in wikiconfig was treated
differently than the one in moin.py, and so I'd been making most
of my config changes to moin.py (except by happy chance I'd made
my initial auth changes to wikiconfig.py, which is why that part
worked OK).  My assumption was partly fueled by the fact that
they both (umtimately) derive from the same base class
(DefaultConfig) and implement the same class name (Config), so
I thought they served the same purpose (for which I was wrong).
Could a large note be added above moin.py's Config that states
"This is not the same as wikiconfig's Config, you dunderhead"
for people like me?  It's only going to affect those that run
standalone.

> If you are doing your own auth method, you of course have to have the 
> usual few code lines at the end of your auth method calling the 
> create_or_update method, see those other auth methods.

Yes, that's where the problem was occurring.

>> Any help to unbend my head would be greatly appreciated.

> Join us on IRC #moin channel.

I did that - installed an IRC client just for the purpose
(since I don't use IRC).  No joy there.

I'm also trying to get work approval (seeing they're funding
this) to release the code back to the project.  If they
don't approve, I'll attempt to reimplement this code during
my upcoming holidays and contribute that instead.

-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester, IOCANE Pty. Ltd.

From tw-public at gmx.de  Sat Feb 25 09:29:04 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Sat Feb 25 09:29:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Math using ASCIIMathML vs. LaTeX vs. ???
In-Reply-To: <17407.20525.486794.265201@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <17407.20525.486794.265201@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <44009392.60702@gmx.de>

> Has any decision been made by the powers-that-be about equation support in
> MoinMoin?
> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MathMlSupport

See my comments there. If we find a clean way I think this would be a 
nice addition.

If this stuff would be on block level, I would've said "write some 
parser", but as it is used inline, I don't think this can be done in a 
modular way. Maybe this is a missing thing in moin?

From tw-public at gmx.de  Sat Feb 25 09:42:07 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Sat Feb 25 09:42:07 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Fun with user_autocreate
In-Reply-To: <43FF8D13.5000908@iocane.com.au>
References: <43FE494F.7070007@iocane.com.au> <43FF427C.2060909@gmx.de> <43FF8D13.5000908@iocane.com.au>
Message-ID: <440096B6.2020301@gmx.de>

>> auth against AD / LDAP is already done in recent patchlevels.

My stuff is getting the user/password from moin's UserPreferences "login 
form", then checks against AD / LDAP and then sets the cookie.

> Is it doing HTTP authentication?

No, it is authenticating against LDAP and uses the cookie to stay logged in.

If you have some http auth running in your web server that already uses 
ldap / ad as backend, you need just to enable http auth in moin, that is 
already there for long.

> Could a large note be added above moin.py's Config that states
> "This is not the same as wikiconfig's Config, you dunderhead"
> for people like me?

Hehe, let's see. :)

> I'm also trying to get work approval (seeing they're funding
> this) to release the code back to the project.  If they
> don't approve, I'll attempt to reimplement this code during
> my upcoming holidays and contribute that instead.

Maybe tell them we will support you if you do GPL code that will be 
published. :)

From 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de  Sat Feb 25 13:30:04 2006
From: 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de (Alexander Schremmer)
Date: Sat Feb 25 13:30:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: Math using ASCIIMathML vs. LaTeX vs. ???
References: <17407.20525.486794.265201@montanaro.dyndns.org> <44009392.60702@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1pzzeay66r54h.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:27:46 +0100, Thomas Waldmann wrote:

> If this stuff would be on block level, I would've said "write some 
> parser", but as it is used inline, I don't think this can be done in a 
> modular way. Maybe this is a missing thing in moin?

I am not seeing your point here - MoinMoin has macros and they are
perfectly suitable to implement it.

Kind regards,
Alexander

From skip at pobox.com  Sat Feb 25 17:17:05 2006
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sat Feb 25 17:17:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: Math using ASCIIMathML vs. LaTeX vs. ???
In-Reply-To: <1pzzeay66r54h.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>
References: <17407.20525.486794.265201@montanaro.dyndns.org>
        <44009392.60702@gmx.de>
        <1pzzeay66r54h.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>
Message-ID: <17408.62740.841054.193606@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    >> If this stuff would be on block level, I would've said "write some
    >> parser", but as it is used inline, I don't think this can be done in
    >> a modular way. Maybe this is a missing thing in moin?

    Alexander> I am not seeing your point here - MoinMoin has macros and
    Alexander> they are perfectly suitable to implement it.

You can implement everything as macros I suppose:

    This is a sentence with some [[italic(italic)]] text.

but do you want to?  If you're doing a fair amount of math there's a fairly
big difference between

    [[math(e = mc^2)]]

and

    $$e = mc^2$$

I'd prefer to see some markup devoted to equations to avoid all the extra
typing (and inevitable mistakes) we get today with the latex() macro, not to
mention reducing the load on our web server by moving equation rendering to
the client and supporting better printing than we can get with the latex()
macro stuff.

We have a couple pages that in their ASCIIMathML form have enough equations
that Firefox alerts me that it's "running slowly" a couple times whenever
the page is rendered.

Skip

From dpharris76 at msn.com  Sun Feb 26 09:55:04 2006
From: dpharris76 at msn.com (Dave Harris)
Date: Sun Feb 26 09:55:04 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Desktop logins
Message-ID: 

I installed DesktopEdition 1.5.2-1 (Windows XP, Python 2.4.1) and I need help setting user preferences.

The Login link at the top of the screen takes me to the UserPreferences. I enter a user name, password, and email address. Then I click on Create Profile. The screen refreshes with the message: "User account created! You can use this account to login now..."

Unfortunately, the new login does not seem to be effective. The UserPreferences screen just refreshes without any error or messages. I looked in wiki/data/user and I see a growing list of files that all contain the same user name.

I have searched the MoinMoin site and maillists for a couple of hours with no insight. I found a chat log that seemed to say that it would be strange for anyone to want to have a login in DesktopEdition. If logins are disabled, why are logins being created (and why are they not blocked in the first place?)

But more importantly, how can I select an editor without user preferences?

Thanks in advance,
Dave Harris
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From Ralf-Lists at ralfgross.de  Mon Feb 27 00:41:05 2006
From: Ralf-Lists at ralfgross.de (Ralf Gross)
Date: Mon Feb 27 00:41:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] comments/discussion subpage
Message-ID: <59047.141.113.101.32.1141029607.squirrel@www.stz-softwaretechnik.de>

Hi,

I'm trying to realise a comments/discussion subpage. On the main page with
ACL's I include the subpage '/Diskussion' which is read- and writeable for
everyone.

[[Include(/Diskussion]]

This is working fine, but how can somebody edit the content of the
discussion page? Ok, he could directly access the mainpage/Diskussion URI,
but usually nobody knows the subpage name.

I messed around with some more Include options, but I got errors when I
tried to follow the examples in HelpOnMacros/Include.

[[Include(/Diskussion, 'Diskussion', 2)]]

|heading() takes exactly 3 arguments (4 given)
|
|If you want to report a bug, please save this page and attach it to your
|bug report.

The following is working right now, is this the way it should be used?

[[Include(/Diskussion, , 2, editlink)]]

Ralf

From Ralf-Lists at ralfgross.de  Mon Feb 27 01:02:10 2006
From: Ralf-Lists at ralfgross.de (Ralf Gross)
Date: Mon Feb 27 01:02:10 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] editor changes in moinmoin 1.5.x
Message-ID: <9786.141.113.101.32.1141030882.squirrel@www.stz-softwaretechnik.de>

Hi,

I updated my personal wiki and a wiki a work from 1.3.5 to 1.5.2.
Everything is working fine so far, I have just 2 questions:

* my wiki at work is missing the 'Trivial change' checkbox, where can I
reactivate it? I don't know why it is missing, because I updated both
wikis the same way.

* The 'Save Changes', 'Preview', 'GUI Mode' buttons are displayed at the
top of the page now. Can I configure moinmoin to place them at the bottom
at the page?

Ralf

From 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de  Mon Feb 27 01:25:02 2006
From: 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de (Alexander Schremmer)
Date: Mon Feb 27 01:25:02 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: Desktop logins
References: 
Message-ID: 

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:53:59 -0600, Dave Harris wrote:

> I have searched the MoinMoin site and maillists for a couple of hours
> with no insight. I found a chat log that seemed to say that it would be
> strange for anyone to want to have a login in DesktopEdition. If logins
> are disabled, why are logins being created (and why are they not blocked
> in the first place?)

No, they are not disabled. That discussion was about the superuser and
change user features. And they should really work - check that you have
cookies enabled and not that you have to fill the first 2 fields and click
the first button to login.

> But more importantly, how can I select an editor without user preferences?

Normally, you see two edit links. If you want to just show one, you have to
either login and select it in the user prefs (as you said) or read
HelpOnConfiguration and set it in the configuration file.

Kind regards,
Alexander

From 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de  Mon Feb 27 01:32:03 2006
From: 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de (Alexander Schremmer)
Date: Mon Feb 27 01:32:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: comments/discussion subpage
References: <59047.141.113.101.32.1141029607.squirrel@www.stz-softwaretechnik.de>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:40:07 +0100 (CET), Ralf Gross wrote:

> [[Include(/Diskussion, 'Diskussion', 2)]]
> 
>|heading() takes exactly 3 arguments (4 given)

I cannot reproduce this bug. Please try to reproduce it in the main wiki
and file a bug.

Kind regards,
Alexander

From Ralf-Lists at ralfgross.de  Mon Feb 27 02:36:03 2006
From: Ralf-Lists at ralfgross.de (Ralf Gross)
Date: Mon Feb 27 02:36:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: comments/discussion subpage
In-Reply-To: 
References:     <59047.141.113.101.32.1141029607.squirrel@www.stz-softwaretechnik.de>

Message-ID: <17763.141.113.101.32.1141036525.squirrel@www.stz-softwaretechnik.de>

Alexander Schremmer said:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:40:07 +0100 (CET), Ralf Gross wrote:
>
>> [[Include(/Diskussion, 'Diskussion', 2)]]
>>
>>|heading() takes exactly 3 arguments (4 given)
>
> I cannot reproduce this bug. Please try to reproduce it in the main wiki
> and file a bug.

I opened a bug, but can not reproduce it in the main wiki.

http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinBugs/IncludeSubpageHeadingError

I noticed in the traceback that moin uses python 2.3, but I installed moin
in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages. At least I tried to. I had some
problems with doing that on my debian sarge server. I installed python2.4
in addition to the default python2.3.

/usr/bin/python2.4 setup.py --quiet install --record=install.log

This installed moinmoin always to /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/MoinMoin

In the end, I just moved the package to
/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin. Everything seemed to be ok, but
this might have been not the very best idea.

Any ideas why the install didn't put moinmoin in the right python
directory, even when I started setup.py with the python2.4 binary?

Ralf

From HansJoachim.Ehlers at eumetsat.int  Mon Feb 27 04:40:08 2006
From: HansJoachim.Ehlers at eumetsat.int (Hans-Joachim Ehlers)
Date: Mon Feb 27 04:40:08 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Migration crash -  Re: Howto move data from 1.3.3 to 1.5.2
 (Thomas Waldmann)
Message-ID: 

From: Thomas Waldmann 
To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Howto move data from 1.3.3 to 1.5.2

>> I have installed a new version of moin moin ( MoinMoin 1.5.2 on AIX  )
>> on a seperate server and would like to move ( Copy ) the old DATA
>> directory from a MoinMoin Version Release 1.3.3  to the new DATA
>> directory.
>> 
>> So does anybody knows the step for handling the:
>>  ./data/user
>>  ./data/pages
>> 
>> directories ?

> As 1.3.3 didn't contain the mig10 and mig11 (1.3.5 did), you need to run 
> them (if you did not do that already) to reach 1.3.5 level.

$ python /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/scripts/migration/12_to_13_mig10.py -d
data.pre-mig10/ -> data/
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/scripts/migration/12_to_13_mig10.py", line 130, in ?
    migrate(destdir)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/scripts/migration/12_to_13_mig10.py", line 109, in migrate
    for root, dirs, files in walk(attachdir):
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/scripts/migration/12_to_13_mig10.py", line 72, in walk
    except error, err:
NameError: global name 'error' is not defined

If i remove error, the err is not defined.
BTW Python is v2.4.2

So could somebody just name me the function( what the script actuelly do )  of mig10 and mig11 so i can rewrite the stuff in a simple shell script.

tia
Hajo

From keith.c.schwols at intel.com  Mon Feb 27 04:51:09 2006
From: keith.c.schwols at intel.com (Schwols, Keith C)
Date: Mon Feb 27 04:51:09 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: comments/discussion subpage
Message-ID: <6FAB474893963D4E876FE660DC96C071657086@azsmsx401>

I had the same defect/problem when I tried using additional parameters
in the Include macro.  I fixed the problem and later found this page
already on the MoinMoin wiki
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinBugs/IncludeMacroBroken which
already had the patch listed.  I think this has been fixed in the
MoinMoin main wiki. 

The problem is a slight change in the interface to the heading macro.

]-----Original Message-----
>From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:moin-user-
>admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Ralf Gross
>Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:35 AM
>To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Re: comments/discussion subpage
>
>Alexander Schremmer said:
>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:40:07 +0100 (CET), Ralf Gross wrote:
>>
>>> [[Include(/Diskussion, 'Diskussion', 2)]]
>>>
>>>|heading() takes exactly 3 arguments (4 given)
>>
>> I cannot reproduce this bug. Please try to reproduce it in the main
wiki
>> and file a bug.
>
>I opened a bug, but can not reproduce it in the main wiki.
>
>http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinBugs/IncludeSubpageHeadingError
>
>I noticed in the traceback that moin uses python 2.3, but I installed
moin
>in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages. At least I tried to. I had some
>problems with doing that on my debian sarge server. I installed
python2.4
>in addition to the default python2.3.
>
>/usr/bin/python2.4 setup.py --quiet install --record=install.log
>
>This installed moinmoin always to
/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/MoinMoin
>
>In the end, I just moved the package to
>/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin. Everything seemed to be ok,
but
>this might have been not the very best idea.
>
>Any ideas why the install didn't put moinmoin in the right python
>directory, even when I started setup.py with the python2.4 binary?
>
>Ralf
>
>
>
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From edcdave at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 12:20:03 2006
From: edcdave at gmail.com (David Harris)
Date: Mon Feb 27 12:20:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: Desktop logins
In-Reply-To: 
References: 

Message-ID: <4d74ff810602271219w197d5fa9me2ae882284713cd2@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/27/06, Alexander Schremmer <2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de> wrote:
>
>
> And they should really work - check that you have
> cookies enabled and not that you have to fill the first 2 fields and click
> the first button to login.
>
> Kind regards,
> Alexander

I installed the DesktopEdition on a computer in a completely different
locaiton running Windows XP Pro  and had no difficulty creating a new login.

I don't think it's a matter of cookies. My login on
moimoinwikiwikiweb.deseems to work just fine and I assume that uses
the same cookie scheme.

I will try to isolate what could be the difference and let you know what I
find.

Thanks for your reply,
Dave Harris
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From Ralf-Lists at ralfgross.de  Mon Feb 27 14:00:05 2006
From: Ralf-Lists at ralfgross.de (Ralf Gross)
Date: Mon Feb 27 14:00:05 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: comments/discussion subpage
In-Reply-To: <6FAB474893963D4E876FE660DC96C071657086@azsmsx401>
References: <6FAB474893963D4E876FE660DC96C071657086@azsmsx401>
Message-ID: <20060227215941.GE20311@p15145560.pureserver.info>

Schwols, Keith C schrieb:
> I had the same defect/problem when I tried using additional parameters
> in the Include macro.  I fixed the problem and later found this page
> already on the MoinMoin wiki
> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinBugs/IncludeMacroBroken which
> already had the patch listed.  I think this has been fixed in the
> MoinMoin main wiki. 
> 
> The problem is a slight change in the interface to the heading macro.

You are right. The patch fixed the problem, thanks! BTW: I also had a
problem with python2.4, but this was not related to this problem.

Ralf

From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Feb 28 09:07:03 2006
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue Feb 28 09:07:03 2006
Subject: [Moin-user] Migration crash -  Re: Howto move data from 1.3.3
 to 1.5.2 (Thomas Waldmann)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <440482F6.6000407@gmx.de>

>> As 1.3.3 didn't contain the mig10 and mig11 (1.3.5 did), you need to run 
>> them (if you did not do that already) to reach 1.3.5 level.
> 
> $ python /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/scripts/migration/12_to_13_mig10.py -d
> data.pre-mig10/ -> data/
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/scripts/migration/12_to_13_mig10.py", line 130, in ?
>     migrate(destdir)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/scripts/migration/12_to_13_mig10.py", line 109, in migrate
>     for root, dirs, files in walk(attachdir):
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/scripts/migration/12_to_13_mig10.py", line 72, in walk
>     except error, err:
> NameError: global name 'error' is not defined
> 
> If i remove error, the err is not defined.
> BTW Python is v2.4.2

You used the mig scripts from moin 1.3.x.

Please use the mig10 and mig11 script that came with 1.5.2 (they do the 
same as earlier version, but have some bug fixes).